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David Stanley Ford

Whites no longer majority in Oklahoma City, Tulsa urban schools

The Associated Press    Comments Comment on this article33
Published: January 12, 2009

Poverty and a growing population of minority students, including non-English speaking Hispanics, are presenting major challenges to public schools in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, a state school official said Monday.

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Sandy Garrett, state superintendent of public instruction, released the statistics during a meeting of the Senate Budget Subcommittee on Education. The chairman of the panel is Sen. Jim Halligan, R-Stillwater, a first-term senator and former president of Oklahoma State University.

Garrett said whites now make up only 22 percent of the student population in Oklahoma City. Hispanics are the biggest minority at 40 percent, followed by blacks at 30 percent, American Indians at 5 percent and Asians at 3 percent.

In Tulsa, whites total 34 percent of the school district population, the same as blacks, with Hispanics at 20 percent, Indians at 11 percent and Asians at 1 percent.

More than 80 percent of students in both districts qualify for free or reduced lunches because of their families' low income levels.

Statewide, whites make up 57 percent of the population of all of the 534 school districts, a big drop since 1990, when the white population was 74 percent.

Garrett and Higher Education Chancellor Glen Johnson appeared before the budget panel to present performance reviews of their systems. The committee is conducting a series of meetings in preparation for the Feb. 2 beginning of the Oklahoma Legislature.

The state school chief again stressed her preference for expanding the school year and the school day to improve the education of Oklahoma students.

She said excessive testing to meet state and federal mandates is leaving little time for teachers to teach, suggesting that some testing chores in some subjects could be handled at the local level.

Garrett advocated adding five days to Oklahoma's 175-day school calendar a year ago, but the proposal never became law because of budget restraints.

Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, suggested that adding 30 minutes to the school day may be something that could be done in a tight budget year, but said steps should be taken to make sure the extra time is not wasted on areas that do not improve students' education.

Johnson presented the committee figures showing administrative costs had declined as a percentage of the higher education budget, while more students were graduating from colleges and universities.

Sen. John Ford, R-Bartlesville, said he continues to get complaints about the growing cost of college education in the state.

Senators asked Johnson to provide the committee with figures on the rise in student costs from 2000 to 2008, the average administrative cost per student for that time period and the increase in salaries of college administrators.

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It's called "white flight".
craig, Oklahoma city - Jan 13, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I would be willing to bet Maria & family live in one of the additions containing houses selling for hundreds of thousands--Heritage Hills, Mesta Park, Edgemere, Crown Heights, etc.-- not your ordinary working class hovels. There certainly aren't any sidewalks in my 'hood.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Maria, I'm curious to know which of the OKC schools your children go to. In my opinion, the problem is and was stated earlier by someone...the fact that a lot of parents are not involved with their children's lives. They use school as a daycare system, and they do not get involved in any way. They don't read with their kids, they don't help them with any homework...for that matter, they probably don't even look at any of the work that their kids bring home. Those are the kids that have a huge disadvantage. And unfortunately, those are a lot (if not most - depending on the school) that make up the inner city schools. My wife tutors at maybe the poorest school in OKC, and she is witness to this every week she goes to tutor.
stephen, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 9:33 am
Maria, I'm curious to know which of the OKC schools your children go to. In my opinion, the problem is and was stated earlier by someone...the fact that a lot of parents are not involved with their children's lives. They use school as a daycare system, and they do not get involved in any way. They don't read with their kids, they don't help them with any homework...for that matter, they probably don't even look at any of the work that their kids bring home. Those are the kids that have a huge disadvantage. And unfortunately, those are a lot (if not most - depending on the school) that make up the inner city schools. My wife tutors at maybe the poorest school in OKC, and she is witness to this every week she goes to tutor.
stephen, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 9:29 am
Maria- honey, I think you're blowing smoke (meaning what have you been smoking?) I taught in the okc schools for 10 years and would not allow my children to attend them. Charles hit the nail on the head. And studies back up what he say (whether you want to call them racist or not) but schools with high percentage of minority students perform well below those schools with a high percentage of white students. And MAPS for Kids proves that it takes more than new and improved buildings for learning to take place (i.e. the exodus of white students from the New John Marshall its first year of existence). The main difference is not teacher quality but parent quality. And Tulsa and okc pay their teachers more than suburban and rural districts. Too many inner city children have issues outside of school that affect their ability to learn. These include gangs, drugs, single-parent families (or in some cases no-parent families), and no value placed on an education at home. Also, in my experience in the okc schools, discipline is very lax with disruptive students allowed to remain in school and keep those who are there to learn from doing so. And also, lets face it, the black and hispanic cultures are different from the white culture; most of them have different values and priorities. And I quote Obama's pastor in saying this.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 9:22 am
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Edmond schools are the overburdened, declining mind-candy junk that they've always aspired to be. Maria - right on! I wouldn't dare put my kid in an Edmond, PC or Moore elementary school. But I will QUICKLY admit that there isn't a single OKC High School (except maybe Classen) that is HALF a suburban high school. But just wait - there is a real renaissance happening in OKC schools and Jason and the rest of the spoiled Edmond flighters are going to be a lot of trouble when The Cycle hits their town.
c, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 9:09 am
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Maria, I have an idea that the feeling is mutual.
Mike, Oklahoma City - Jan 13, 2009 at 6:20 am
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As minority percentages grow whites flee to the suburbs.What middle class white parent in their right mind would want their child attending a school where the majority was black and brown.Gangs,low test scores,poor learning environment are the norm in minority schools. We will have some guilt ridden whites or minoritiy saying this is 'racist'.So be it--it is the truth.
charles, tulsa - Jan 13, 2009 at 3:51 am
Jason in Edmond. Immigrants that come to Oklahoma recognize how baackwards things are here despite the oklahoma crowd trying to emulate Hollywood movies. They attempt to bring a sense of culture to an otherwise wasteland of tough guys with bad haircuts fighting each other for no reason.
Warren, Norman - Jan 13, 2009 at 3:09 am
Wow, after reading these comments, I'm super-glad I left the suburbs!
Maria - Jan 12, 2009 at 10:22 pm
It's called "white flight".
craig, Oklahoma city - Jan 12, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Yes, Robert, James from Edmond is right, but the problem is that for nearly a generation now - ever since the "reform" of the immigration act in 1965 - new arrivals to our shores from overseas have been told they are here to improve us, not the other way around. Previous waves of immigrants were eager to assimilate because they were well aware that the lives they were able to build here were far superior to the lives they led back home in the "old country" - wherever that happened to be. Now, however, the mainstream media, academia, Hollywood, indeed, the entire liberal opinion-shaping culture reinforces the exact opposite message: the escapees from Third-world ratholes apparently have much to teach us dumb First-world Americans, instead of the other way around. No wonder immigrants don't care anything about assimilating and becoming full fledged citizens anymore: as a new arrival I wouldn't either, given the attitudes the liberal elites have toward their own country, and the poisonous anti-American messages they spew.
Jason, Edmond - Jan 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I concur with James from Edmond. If those kids were REQUIRED to speak English they would learn.
Robert, Yukon - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I can't speak for Tulsa, though I presume Oklahoma City Public Schools are crap because of poor administration(see political spoils system), regardless of racial percentages. Even minority families flee Oklahoma City schools when finances permit. Yes, Floyd, two thirds on this planet qualify as 'persons of color,' leaving whites at about one third, and with slightly more than half being female, leaving roughly one sixth of the planet qualifying as 'white devils,' responsible for virtually all the evils in the world.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:44 pm
This goes back to what I was told in eight grade in the 80's learn spanish. We as a nation need to stand up and take charge! It should not be a race issue. The problem I have with this article is the non- ENGLISH speaking children. Why should we have to learn their language when they live in this THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Our founding father's started this country with the ENGLISH language. Let's stand up and KEEP it that way!
james, edmond - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:43 pm
This goes back to what I was told in eight grade in the 80's learn spanish. We as a nation need to stand up and take charge! It should not be a race issue. The problem I have with this article is the non- ENGLISH speaking children. Why should we have to learn their language when they live in this THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Our founding father's started this country with the ENGLISH language. Let's stand up and KEEP it that way!
james, edmond - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Interesting comments. We moved from the suburbs and bought a house in OKC specifically for the public schools. We know quite a few other couples who did the same. My two daughters have gone from a private education to a public one, and we couldn't be happier with how they're doing. Our school has incredible support from the neighborhood, even from folks who don't have school-age children, and there's a sense of community here that I've never experienced in the suburbs. I walk with my children to school (yay, sidewalks!) and we always have to leave early so we can chat with neighbors along the way. We have teachers who grew up in the neighborhood and attended the school when they were children (as did their children and grandchildren.) My children are privileged to have friends from a variety of cultures, backgrounds, and family structures, and their education certainly isn't suffering for it. I spent years doing education research, and I am confident that moving to this OKC public school was the best choice for my children, for both their education and their social development. Next to marrying my husband, it's the best choice I've ever made. (And for the curious: We're your "standard" white, middle-class, nuclear family with a working husband, a stay-at-home mom, two kids, and a cat.)
Maria - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:12 pm
This is a very long term problem. No one wanted to go to OKC public schools even back in the 70s. Our family moved so we could go to school in the Putnam City and Western Heights districts, which were at that time less violent. I wouldn't send my kid to an OKC public school. It's nothing against the racial makeup, it's just not a realistic slice of society by any stretch of the imagination.
Shepard, Stonewall - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:11 pm
What your witnessing is the final results created by Brown vs. Board of Education. It's result......ultimately the abandonment of inner cities. Unfortunately, when this was passed, those who could leave, left(primarily whites because of socio-economics and other tangible factors), and they took their money with them. I wonder what the percentages are in Edmond, or Jenks? Not 22% thats for sure.
mike, claremore - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:10 pm
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"For some, school is a punishment. For others, a reward." If a kid doesn't want to be there past, say, grade 8, fine. Send them to glorified day care/trade school. Let the kids that really want to make something of themselves, regardless of race, color, etc., go on to "big boy school." BTW, only "Big Boy School" gets to have sports, drama, music, etc. Forget street cred. Making something of yourself. That counts. We can make sure all the athletes and stars that the kids idolize are Sam Bradfords instead of Pac Man Joneses this way. We can spend the real money on the kids that want to be at school this way. Do I want a utopia? Perhaps. But something's gotta change.
Grant, Edmond - Jan 12, 2009 at 8:07 pm
What your witnessing is the final results created by Brown vs. Board of Education. It's result......ultimately the abandonment of inner cities. Unfortunately, when this was passed, those who could leave, left(primarily whites because of socio-economics and other tangible factors), and they took their money with them. I wonder what the percentages are in Edmond, or Jenks? Not 22% thats for sure.
mike, claremore - Jan 12, 2009 at 7:50 pm
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Let's focus our efforts on those kids who want to attend college regardless of their class or race. If you make less than $50,000 a year your child goes to school for free yet if you make any more, while you are really making half of whatever your annual income is because of taxes, not to mention having more than one child, your child gets to come out of college in severe debt. What a great system. Who are we taking care of? How about making those kids who go to college for free pay back the State if they do not graduate? Longer school days is only going to hurt those kids who are in extra-curricular activities, like sports, who have to keep a higher standard anyway. Quit holding the hand of those who choose not to help themselves.
Robert, Yukon - Jan 12, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I can't speak for Tulsa, though I presume Oklahoma City Public Schools are crap because of poor administration(see political spoils system), regardless of racial percentages. Even minority families flee Oklahoma City schools when finances permit. Yes, Floyd, two thirds on this planet qualify as 'persons of color,' leaving whites at about one third, and with slightly more than half being female, leaving roughly one sixth of the planet qualifying as 'white devils,' responsible for virtually all the evils in the world.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jan 12, 2009 at 7:46 pm
This just in, education no longer the principle mission of OKC schools.
Tim, Yukon - Jan 12, 2009 at 7:14 pm
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Next we will hear how the school system is discriminating for some reason or another. We all choose the life we are living be it in poverty or wealth. Our lives are no ones faults but our own. If we choose to get pregnant every 10 months then can't work because we can't afford daycare, that is your choice, not mine. This is why OKC schools are like they are. There are no morals in the world anymore. No one cares about their future. One thing they do possibly plan is the government will take care of me. Have another baby please.
C, c-town - Jan 12, 2009 at 6:53 pm
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