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David Stanley Ford

Health care overhaul faces stone wall in Senate

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Published: November 8, 2009

WASHINGTON -- The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

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Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.

Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt. House Democrats overcame their own divisions and broke an impasse that threatened the bill after liberals grudgingly accepted tougher restrictions on abortion funding, as abortion opponents demanded.

In Senate, the stumbling block is the idea of the government competing with private insurers. Liberals may have to swallow hard and accept a deal without a public plan in order to keep the legislation alive. As in the House, the compromise appears to be to the right of the political spectrum.

Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who voted for a version of the Senate bill in committee, has given the Democrats a possible way out. She's proposing to allow a government plan as a last resort, if after a few years premiums keep escalating and local health insurance markets remain in the grip of a few big companies. This is the "trigger" option.

That approach appeals to moderates such as Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. "If the private market fails to reform, there would be a fallback position," Landrieu said last week. "It should be triggered by choice and affordability, not by political whim."

Lieberman said he opposes the public plan because it could become a huge and costly entitlement program. "I believe the debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today," he said.

For now, Reid is trying to find the votes for a different approach: a government plan that states could opt out of.

The Senate is not likely to jump ahead this week on health care. Reid will keep meeting with senators to see if he can work out a political formula that will give him not only the 60 votes needed to begin debate, but the 60 needed to shut off discussion and bring the bill to a final vote.

Toward the end of the week, the Congressional Budget Office may report back with a costs and coverage estimate on Reid's bill, which he assembled from legislation passed by the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The Finance Committee version does not include a government plan.

Reid has pledged to Obama that he will get the bill done by the end of the year and remains committed to doing that, according to a Senate leadership aide.

Both the House and Senate bills gradually would extend coverage to nearly all Americans by providing government subsidies to help pay premiums. The measures would bar insurers' practices such as charging more to those in poor health or denying them coverage altogether.

All Americans would be required to carry health insurance, either through an employer, a government plan or by purchasing it on their own.

To keep down costs, the government subsidies and consumer protections don't take effect until 2013. During the three-year transition, both bills would provide $5 billion in federal dollars to help get coverage for people with medical problems who are turned down by private insurers.

Both House and Senate would expand significantly the federal-state Medicaid health program for low-income people.

The majority of people with employer-provided health insurance would not see changes. The main beneficiaries would be some 30 million people who have no coverage at work or have to buy it on their own. The legislation would create a federally regulated marketplace where they could shop for coverage.

The are several major differences between the bills.

-The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.

-The House would pay for the coverage expansion by raising taxes on upper-income earners; the Senate uses a variety of taxes and fees, including a levy on high-cost insurance plans.

-The House plan costs about $1.2 trillion over 10 years; the Senate version is under $900 billion.

By defusing the abortion issue - at least for now - the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society's safety net may yet endorse the final legislation.

Lieberman appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Graham was CBS' "Face the Nation."

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A version of the health care bill will pass in the Senate. I predicted the same thing in the House, but all of the hacks said it wouldn't happen. This is the single best thing that can be done for the economy long term. It is a very good bill which allows people to keep what they have and not be denied pre-existing condition. It gives small business a 5 year window to provide health insurance for their employees if they're not doing it now and helps the people who need help to buy insurance.

It's a great day in America unless you're a selfish Republican.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Each member of the United States House of Representatives who voted for this health care bill has violated the oath that they took to defend the Constitution of the United States of America. As such, I am demanding the resignation of all 220 members of the US House who voted for this "legislation".
c, Noble - Nov 9, 2009 at 6:58 pm
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nice numbers, where's the citation? Are those numbers like the number of uninsured that Barack Hussein Obama mmmmmm, mmmmmm, mmmmmm cites whenever he makes a speech? So far, he's said 47 million, 30 million etc. The President of the United States is a know nothing dolt. Has he done anything worthwhile in his lifetime? Has he had a real job?
c, Noble - Nov 9, 2009 at 2:25 pm
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C,

45,000 people die each year in the greatest nation on earth for lack of health care.

People who get insurance through their employers have no say in the polices provided to them.

Insurance companies have in-network deductible, and out-of-pocket-in-network-out-of pocket capscap, an out-of network deductible and an out- of network-out of-pocket cap. Usually totals $15,000-20,000. Prescriptions don't count towards either in most policies.

Basically, pay us each month then pay for your services.

60% of all bankruptcies each year are caused by medical expenses, 70% of them have insurance.

So if you think people need to get a job and not be able to negotiate their insurance, great but don't get sick cause you'll still be screwed.

And for every exaggerated, nightmare story spewed on Fux News about single-payer, 1,000 Americans dies from our system.

TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 9:26 am
Oh well, Glenn vaporub and fatboy will be on later so you can find out what you're suppose to say next. Typical Republican troll with no argument.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 8:13 am
You're an idiot. Your arguments are tired retreads of Democrat talking points. If you noticed in my post, I said limited government. Defense spending is at least constitutional. If you want to live in a third world country that is unable to protect itself, go do it. As for subsidies for oil companies, I thought you were for reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Make up your mind you dolt. By the way, the Muslim Fort Hood shooter was without a doubt a terrorist who plotted the attack because of his faith. That makes him an Islamic Terrorist. Ban all Muslims from the military.
c, Noble - Nov 9, 2009 at 8:02 am
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"A corrupt government to buy the votes". You mean like spending 5 Trillion dollars on defense and 2 wars for the last 6 years? Is that what you're talking about? No one wants to pay the way for someone else, but this nation has helped it's poor since the Great Depression. You're paying for health care now, just in a different way.
I hope the big oil companies will take responsibility for themselves in the future and stop accepting over 10 billion a year in government subsidies.
That's some of what you're talking about, right?
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 7:52 am
Yep, I am so selfish that I want people to get jobs and pay for their own health care. I am so selfish because I think that people should take responsibility for themselves like I did so that they can get a better job so they can have better insurance. I am so selfish because I believe that limited government is the best way for those goals to be met. I am so selfish because I believe that money that I earn should be mine to do with what I want and not be taken from me by a corrupt bullying government to buy the votes of the lazy like you Milkman.
c, Noble - Nov 9, 2009 at 7:47 am
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c, Noble. As usual, your post, like you, is full of crap. 14,000 people died because it got too hot and air conditioning is not common there like it is here. Only you could blame that on their health care system. If our health care system is so good, than why do over 100,000 people die here every year from mistakes in the health care system? Why do over 30,000 people die from the flu?
You say our health care costs a little more? YOu mean it's double. That's what you call a little more.
This health care bill that the house just passed or some version thereof, will save our economy in the future. That's not counting all the other benefits. YOur problem, like all Republicans, is you can't get beyond your own selfishness long enough to look at it objectively. Are you another one of these Oklahoma Christians who profess to live by the Bible?
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 7:26 am
The health care systems in France, England, Germany and Canada are pretty much broke, prices have skyrocketed, not fallen as our dishonest politicians say they will, and each country has given to rationing care. In France in 2003, 14,000 died of heat exhaustion or some other type of heat related stress when a heat wave swept across Europe. Most of those were senior citizens. The reason that they died? Debatable, some blame the lack of doctors, socialists blamed the right wing government, government blamed people for not looking after their relatives. 20% of the nation's doctors were on vacation for the month of August. The point is this, the United States of America is the greatest country on earth, our health care system is second to none when it comes to saving lives. There is no other country in this world that I would go to if I wanted to have life saving surgery and the best doctors available. No other country. Do we pay a little bit more for having the best health care in the world? Maybe, maybe not, but I do know that if I want the best, then I have to pay for the best. It's how the market works. If we didn't pay for the best and just expected it to be given to us, then surely the best would find another line of work that would compensate them fairly for their talents.
c, Noble - Nov 9, 2009 at 7:18 am
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What a corrupt country we live in. The insurance companies and others like pharma who stand to lose profits are succeeding again in defeating a vastly compromised bill which doesn't go nearly far enough. Every tired argument made in opposition has already been proven wrong repeatedly by the health care systems in other major developed economies like France, England, Germany, Canada and on and on. Obama should scrap the whole thing and shoot for only three new rules. #1 end the exception from antitrust laws for health insurance companies and prohibitions related thereto of purchase of coverage from out-of-State companies. #2 forbid cancellation of coverage for people who become sick. #3 Forbid denial of coverage for preexisting conditions. This adds nothing to the debt, taxes and no cost to the taxpayer but will result in the insurance companies having to compete for a change which will ultimately result in them begging the government to revamp the system.
Silas, Tardville - Nov 9, 2009 at 12:17 am
A nice medium rare steak is good for the soul along with a baked potato and a house salad....where's the harm???? Those that prefer the veggies is your choice....I happen to prefer the delicious steak with a salad and a baked potato.......to each his own......
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:10 pm
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My own form of health care reform is to choose a more healthy lifestyle. Diet is the first place I started. Consuming lean protein and avoiding fried foods is my practice for a month now.
I was stopping at least twice a week at Earl's Ribs on Western for smoked turkey breast. On Saturday night I learned I will not return to Earls anytime soon. Laquicha decided to be rude and treat me like dirt. Thanks Laquicha , you just lost a loyal customer.
Sparky (Mark), Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:31 pm
---Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt.---

The lesson is: bribery, vote-buying, arm-twisting, and outright intimdation work.

---For now, Reid is trying to find the votes for a different approach: a government plan that states could opt out of.---

This is intellectually dishonest. If the states "opt out" of the public plan, then their premiums would go through the roof. This is merely cover to buy votes from key senators.

The problem with the health care bill is not that we don't need reform, it's that this bill uses phony and dishonest accounting, plus is loaded with strings, payoffs, and exemptions in a shameless attempts to buy votes.
Derek, Owasso - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Oh Phil, Civil rights made people nervous, medicare made people nervous, medicaid made people nervous.

Paying for insurance each month and then getting cancer and your insurance drops you because you had acne as a teen, that should make you nervous.

TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Don...Nevertheless, this whole health care issue makes me nervous. This cannot become law.
Phil, Norman - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:32 pm
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Believe me, the state I'm living in (AR) is as red as they get...both senators are democrats & my congressman is a democrat...My congressman voted against the house bill yesterday and you can be assured that both of our senators would have and will have voted against the house version...The senate is a different can of worms when compared to the house.
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:34 pm
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God help us if this passes the Senate.
Brian, Moore - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:07 pm

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