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Police fear Fort Sill is home to gang woes
Lawton law enforcement say they have told military officials about their concerns

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Published: November 9, 2008


Men identified by Lawton police as Fort Sill soldiers flash gang signs in a photo from a social networking Web site. PHOTO Provided by Lawton Police

LAWTON — Soldiers such as Spc. Gregory Darnell King II are emerging as a new kind of face at Fort Sill — a face police claim many high-ranking military officers won’t acknowledge, let alone talk about.

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Lawton police identified King as a "known gang member.”

And police say he is one of many who are either stationed at or have passed through Fort Sill.

"People don’t want to face the truth, but it’s true,” said Lt. Darrell Southerland, a 20-year veteran who oversees Lawton’s Gang Task Force Unit. "Fort Sill has a problem with gangs. We see it every Friday and Saturday nights on the streets. But nobody wants to listen.”

Southerland thinks it’s time for Fort Sill to hear his pleas. But Fort Sill spokesman Jon Long contends: "No evidence of a widespread gang problem involving Fort Sill soldiers has been presented to Fort Sill by the LPD (Lawton Police Department) or city officials.”

In a recent interview with the post newspaper, "The Cannoneer,” Special Agent Jessica Jasper of Fort Sill’s Criminal Investigation Command said: "In the last calendar year, the CID and MPI have not worked any gang-related offenses on post. ... We’ve not been called to respond to any of those concerns.”

Southerland said his six-member unit has routinely gathered and shared evidence with post officials about gang membership among soldiers stationed at Fort Sill.

Evidence was obtained from traffic stops and arrests and includes photographs of gang-related tattoos and details from informants.

On Web sites such as MySpace, Bebo and Facebook, local soldiers post pictures of themselves flashing gang signs.

Growing concerns

The gang unit has a binder stuffed with such photographs, images spokesman Long says "is not proof that the person pictured is actually a gang member.”

In one image, King — a reservist who served with the 177th Field Artillery — can be seen flashing a sign affiliated with the 107 Hoover Crips, a nationwide gang known to have members in Lawton.

Since 2006, King has been arrested six times by Lawton police on complaints ranging from drug possession to driving with loaded firearms. King was last arrested Sept. 25 for not paying his court fines.

Investigators list his gang affiliation as "107 Hoover” and occupation as "SPC-E4.”

"I told them about King,” Southerland said. "I was told, ‘Look, this guy is a hero. He pulled someone out of a burning Humvee in Iraq, and we’re not touching him.’ What are you gonna do?”

King could not be reached for comment.

In January, soldiers David Coleman and Ira Easterling — suspected Blood gang members stationed at Fort Sill — engaged in a deadly clash outside a Lawton nightclub with suspected civilian gang member Ronald Walker of the 107 Hoovers, Southerland said. An argument ensued. Shots were fired. Easterling died.

"The argument started with one guy disrespecting the other,” Southerland said. "Next thing you know, guns are pulled. ...”

A war within a war

Tattoo artist Rocky White, who operates a shop just beyond Fort Sill’s gates, isn’t shocked by the idea.

"Young soldiers come in here all the time asking me to do some gang-related tattoo,” White said.

"I sit them down and lecture them on the profound effect it could have on their lives and their military careers.”

Recently, White said a Marine recruiter approached him about hiding a young recruit’s swastika tattoo with an Irish clover. The combination is a symbol for the Aryan Brotherhood.

"If they are persistent, I just refuse,” White said.

"I have a real problem doing any kind of drug- or gang-related tattoos.”

Experts claim gangs in the military are nothing new, although the subject always seems to shock the senses of the general population.

Hunter Glass, a former U.S. Army soldier who specializes studying military gangs, said the problem is alarming and widespread.

"I often encounter people who express disbelief,” Glass told The Oklahoman from his North Carolina home. "And my lectures aren’t always popular. People get angry. I’ve had politicians call me, generals call me ... but people have to wake up. The military is a reflection of society. Why wouldn’t there be gang members in the military?

"The world isn’t always Norman Rockwell.”

Southerland and his gang task force members are now bracing for the thousands of soldiers who will transfer to Fort Sill with the Army Air Defense School from Fort Bliss by 2011. Police fear the transfers could ignite a turf war among military gang members.

The National Gang Intelligence Center mentioned Fort Bliss in a 2006 report, noting authorities had identified more than 40 suspected military-affiliated members of the Chicago-based Folk Nation gang on post.

"By their nature, gang members are violent and territorial,” Glass said. "I’d say the likelihood of conflict is highly probable.”

There is one more concern, perhaps the greatest of all.

"It’s a disgrace to the military,” said Clay Houseman, a gang task force member. "Our veterans didn’t fight and die in wars so these guys could join the military and terrorize our streets as members of gangs. We just can’t let that happen.”

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This does not "shock" me. I am a veteran of the Vietnam era and often heard personally from recruits that they had an option - go to jail or join the military service. (No, I was not one of them.) If gang members want to fight...why not fight for their country. It is up to the military command to ensure the relationship between the military and the local city officials to work conjointly to ensure the safety of all by working together. One way would be for the MP's (Miltary Police) to join with local law enforcement via patroling city areas where the gang activity exists. Just a thought. JBT
JOE, oklahoma city - Nov 10, 2008 at 9:16 am
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There's a show on the History Channel called Gangland. Recently, one of their shows was about how gangs are now routinely engaged in their own form of recruiting. That is, that they will sponsor a youth in a gang with little to no police record to join the military. The purpose of this endeavor is to have the gang member gain military experience and training which includes training in "urban warfare". Of course, they also get fairly extensive training in firearms, munitions, etc. When these "heroes" get out of the military, they are expected to bring the skills and trades they have learned at taxpayers expense, and instruct other gang members what they've been taught. Also, while in the military, it's possible for gang members to steal munitions such as ammo and other explosives that they then share with their gang. The U.S. military institution better get a reality check and do something about this, and SOON!
Matt, Oklahoma City - Nov 10, 2008 at 7:23 am
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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
All right now!
mister, bogata - Nov 10, 2008 at 5:17 am
Gangs are a problem everywhere - if the military leaders at Ft Sill are not responsible enough or in-touch with what is going on - maybe they should be replaced?

A convicted criminal is not a hero - some people have a bad misconception about what constitutes a "hero". Lawton police should be given the authority to lock them up to keep the streets safe in OK. Drug possession is OK in the military? How was Green not discharged before he got arrested 5 more times?

If it isn't illegal to be in a gang, then a law should be passed to make it illegal to join the military if you are a gang member. It isn't safe to have gangsters from multiple gangs in the same army carrying loaded weapons.

A host of other laws need to be passed as well - including anyone proven to be a gang member loses any chance at tax credits, welfare, or government programs. There need to be consequences for their choices or it will continue to get worse.

Illegal gang members are easy to take care of - it just costs money and time to deport them.
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Nov 10, 2008 at 12:59 am
And we don't have enough illegal mexican gangs here?????
Nancy, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Susan, I guess my point is this: When we throw a bunch of people into a war and ask them to kill, this is what we get. This country--and Oklahoma waaaaay in particular--had no qualms about going to a war in Iraq we didn't need. Now the chickens, or the Krips, anway, are coming home to roost. We reap what we sow.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Stinkerpants - the KKK was started by Civil War vets. So what's your point? Are we just supposed to let it stand because someone else did it after WWII? If the military can't control its people while they are IN the military's control, this is a problem. If a soldier drives off Tinker and gets into a bar fight in Bricktown, his CO is notified and AFTER he is booked in down at county, he has to deal with another punishment when he gets back to base. If the military isn't willing to take care of this issue, perhaps it isn't safe to have these bases around our lovely state. You'd lose your mind if you knew how many kids get taken into DHS custody from Tinker AFB because of abuse and neglect there. In fact, one "war hero" killed his kids and himself and he'd been under investigation for a year. Sounds like the higher ups are falling down on the job all over the place.
Susan, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 9:11 pm
From what I understand, recruiters are having so much difficulty achieving target numbers, GED's are no longer required as a basic requirement for entrance in the military. As gangbangers seldom are high achievers in public schools and juvenile courts are more than willing to 'punt' over to the military in order to favorably skew results of probationary efforts, why would it be surprising to anyone that these thugs end up in a military traditional composed largely of those from low income areas? Business should be booming at Thunderbird Academy.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 7:57 pm
What a better place than the u.s. forces. They teach them how to fight and kill. I agree with some of the people in the posts. They let them join the army in lieu of jail and thats not right to the public people. My brother was in Iraq and he told me that gangs run at large and nothing is being dome about it. I lived in Lawton for many years and it's been an issue for many years with soliders standing across the street from schools joining kids up for the gang of thier choice. It's a problem we need address but one that will never go away.
Dave, Midwest City - Nov 9, 2008 at 7:52 pm
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What are all of you complaining about? The 101st Airborne came back from France at the end of WWII and started the Hell's Angels. They even brought Meth back with them and hid it in the crankcase of their hogs. Why do think it was called "Crank"? Quit whining. Two thirds of all you dummies whining about this supported the war in Iraq. Violence breeds this. Get over it if you want to conquer other nations.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 7:35 pm
The officials at Fort Sill are refusing to listen to a very serious, but likely valid concern of the civilian police force in that town. They need to take action and open their eyes and ears are do some real monitoring and investigation of the soldiers that are in question by the police force. Yet they refuse. Here the police have one who has been arressted 6 times in the past two years for some serious offenses!
That's the military for you. "he's a war hero" and try to make whoever DARED to speak out look like a disrespectful jerk for even suggesting that a revered war hero is a trouble make and bad news. Just because he saved someone's life in Iraq, doesn't make him exempt from the law. The type of behavior reported sounds to me like Conduct Unbecoming. The military is supposed to protect the people of our country...and they can't even do the right thing by looking into these complaints? Sick and sad.

I also love how the Army ducks around the subject by saying "no evidence of gang activity ON THE BASE". Well duh. However, a soldier is still under the UCMJ code of law. If a soldier is affiliated with a gang, even if that soldier is not caught doing anything, s/he is still cohorting with people who engage in illegal activities....and condoning it, if they choose to be a member of that gang. This also seems to me like it would be under Conduct Unbecoming. It certainly seems like a violation of some sort of military code either under UCMJ or even just the ethics a soldier in our military has taken oath to live up to. Shame! Activity on or off base, the military is responsible for these soldiers and needs to quit hiding behind their Criminal Investigation Command reports and actually address the situation!
Steph, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 7:01 pm
The police and the army are talking about entirely different things. Lawton Police say there are gang members on base. Fort Sill says there are no gang-related crimes on their post. Both are probably right.

The army has always been a place where young men on the verge of making big mistakes in their lives can go to turn themselves around. So some guys who used to run with gangs back on the block have joined the army. So what? The old "go to war or go to jail" of our last war has been replaced by the "morals waiver" of this one. But it's basically the same thing.

In case you hadn't noticed, there's a war on. You can't be as picky as you can durng peacetime. And if these men (and women) can straighten themselves out with the help of some military discipline, then God bless them.

Otherwise, there's always Leavenworth.
Stephen, Norman - Nov 9, 2008 at 5:57 pm
The law that could be enforced is called RICO. It has been successfully applied to mafia, motorcycle gangs, and in some instances even in Okay See, street gangs. According to RICO, it IS against the law to belong to a criminal organization, though this is a federal law, and perhaps local law enforcement is unable to use it.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 3:22 pm
It seems like we have registered sex offenders. Why not register the gang members? Oh, but that would probably be too invasive on their rights since it "isn't against the law to be a member of a group" but only the actions of the individual, blah, blah, blah. The gang infestation is everywhere and people need to stop turning a blind eye to them. If you aren't careful, they will take over the neighborhood you live in too. The MS13 gang has moved up here.They are paramilitary and highly funded and organized. Straight cop killers. And I've seen one at Wal-mart - as a greeter. So much for the strict background check. Johnny, I hear you and I agree.
Susan, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:46 pm
To date, homeless populations have increased slightly due to the housing mess within urban communities. History proves that where there is poverty, crime smells a fresh kill. How much worse can it get with "bottom feeders" than it is now "mister"?
Johnny, Mountain Park - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I see nothing wrong with any town or city utilizing a “banishment” clause directed at any, and all, affiliated members or family members of, known gangs and activities that prosper such gang(s).

The last time I checked, it was perfectly legal to “kick” someone out of town, why not clean up a whole culture of gang infested neighborhoods and replace them with working class students and taxpayers that legitimately contribute to the infrastructure of that community?
Johnny, Mountain Park - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:16 pm
And it'll probably get worse as the economy heads further south and even worse bottom feeders join up .....
mister, bogata - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Understand Cooter and all who know little or nothing about gangs that a gang offers the same “inclusive” behaviors that any successful military needs to function and operate by. It is a team effort that makes gangs successful and to many, gangs are more loyal than family members are. It is easy to point fingers and call names simply from what the media and too many law enforcement identify as “gangs”, much like the unspecified profile of what makes a terrorist.

It has been documented that gang members and fresh army recruits with backgrounds close to gang activity do join the military and when they return back to society, they are more trained and dangerously tied to their respective environments and survival in the streets, is of upmost priority.

Lawton’s law enforcement will only be successful at curbing gang activity when they look at what Los Angeles, New York and Chicago have known for 20 years and what Oklahomans tend to deny about their own communities. Gangs do recruit even in rural towns and use drugs as a form of control by selling and building monopolies that eventually fall from police raids or “changing the leadership” through murder or transfer to another sleepy town.
Johnny, Mountain Park - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Susan of OKC, we can't even do a background check for a potential Vice-President, how are we going to do one on a healthy intelligent man or woman that wants to serve their country? I think Wal-Mart screens people better than the US Army or any police department across the US when it comes to "rogue" behavior behind the law. As a male teacher, I was practically booked to substitute in the public schools system and didn't mind it a bit. I think it is long overdue!
Johnny, Mountain Park - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Mister, Bogota, I have been trying to tell these Okies that for a minute and they are still blinded by labels and stereotypes.
Johnny, Mountain Park - Nov 9, 2008 at 1:03 pm
You would think the background check would be a little tighter for people who will be learning to use explosive devices on a daily basis.
Susan, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 11:56 am
This is not the military that I know. I was a soldier in the army in the early 60's and for the most part we had excellent soldiers. There were a few who just did enough to get by but they were scorned by the good soldiers. We had the draft then and the recruiters did not have to scrape the bottom to fill their quotas. William, OKC
William, Newalla - Nov 9, 2008 at 11:05 am
These people are traitors and should be tried and executed as traitors to their nation. They are serving our nation and protecting it and at the same time being part of a gang of murderers. This is high treason.
Cooter, Cooterville - Nov 9, 2008 at 10:14 am
Just one more thing this war has in common with Vietnam. The difference between me paying for their stay in jail with my tax dollars and paying for their service in the military is that my tax dollars only provide them additional weapons in the military.
Susan, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 9:19 am
This is what happens when people are given the alternative of military service in lieu of jail time. I understand gang graffiti is not uncommon now in Iraq.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2008 at 9:08 am

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