McCain, Obama raise doubts about bailout plan

By David Espo and Beth Fouhy
Published: September 22, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain raised doubts about the Bush administration's $700 billion bailout and demanded conditions that could snag its quick passage through the highly partisan Congress.


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Less than six weeks remained in the presidential contest as the candidates were preparing for their first debate on Friday, a confrontation on foreign policy and national security. Those issues, despite ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, have slid to a distant second place behind voter anxiety over the U.S. economy - in the midst of a financial crisis not seen since the 1930s Great Depression.

McCain, who only a week ago said the economy was fundamentally sound, now says the U.S. financial system is facing a major crisis.

Speaking on NBC television, McCain said, "We are in the most serious crisis since World War II."

He also said that despite the ballooning national debt he would not raise taxes if elected president.

Obama and his wife, Michelle, were campaigning in Wisconsin, a battleground state, while McCain planned stops in Pennsylvania, where the race was equally close. He was to be joined there by running mate Sarah Palin, the Alaska governor who has brought new life to the Republican ticket.

The candidates traded charges Sunday, each declaring the other unprepared to handle the U.S. financial meltdown that looms over the next American president. They likewise said there were too few assurances of oversight and guarantees that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's unprecedented bailout would assist beleaguered citizens.

McCain cautioned against granting unchecked authority to Paulson, saying he is "greatly concerned that the plan gives a single individual the unprecedented power to spend $1 trillion on the basis of not much more than 'Trust me.'"

In a statement to reporters, McCain urged the creation of a bipartisan oversight board to review the government bailout rather than entrusting Paulson with complete power to craft it. He said the board should be headed by a trusted financial steward like billionaire financier Warren Buffett, and said former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg should be involved as well. Both Romney and Bloomberg made enormous fortunes in business ventures before entering politics.

"I believe we need a high level of oversight and an oversight board to impose real criteria for those who need help and those who do not and that we have a careful steward of the taxpayer's dollars," McCain said.

Obama ticked off seven conditions that he believed should be imposed on the Paulson proposal, joining some fellow congressional Democrats in raising warning flags and signaling the bailout mechanism might not make it out of the legislature by week's end as demanded by the Bush administration.

Obama said any bailout must include plans to recover the money, and protect working families and big financial institutions and be crafted to prevent such a crisis from happening again.

"This plan can't just be a plan for Wall Street, it has to be a plan for Main Street. We have to come together, as Democrats and Republicans, to pass a stimulus plan that will put money in the pockets of working families, save jobs, and prevent painful budget cuts and tax hikes in our states," Obama said during a campaign stop in North Carolina.

Aides said Obama had spoken with Paulson, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, congressional leaders and former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton in fleshing out his approach to the bailout.

McCain and Obama each had harsh words for their opponent as well.

At a campaign stop in North Carolina, Obama again blamed the crisis on Republican policies he said McCain was committed to continuing.

"We're now seeing the disastrous consequences of this philosophy all around us, on Wall Street as well as Main Street," Obama said. "Yet Sen. McCain, who candidly admitted not long ago that he doesn't know as much about economics as he should, wants to keep going down the same disastrous path."

Obama said the Bush administration's proposal to put a floor under the dangerous U.S. economic slide - one that many are worried could pull down the world economy - carried a "staggering price tag" but no plan to guarantee the "basic principles of transparency, fairness, and reform" to taxpayers who will pay for the huge and unprecedented government bailout.

McCain, at a National Guard convention in Baltimore, Maryland, said Obama was behaving more like a politician than a leader, faulting him for not offering a plan to stabilize financial markets after the crisis in the mortgage industry led to the collapse of two investment banks and the government bailout of housing lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and insurance giant American International Group, Inc.

"At a time of crisis, when leadership is needed, Senator Obama has not provided it," McCain said. "Whether it's a reversal in war, or an economic emergency, he reacts as a politician and not as a leader, seeking an advantage for himself instead of a solution for his country," McCain said of his Democratic rival.

Obama had previously declined to offer a financial recovery plan, saying he wanted to allow Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to address the matter without political intrusion. Obama's advisers criticized McCain's proposals as little more than talking points that lacked any meaningful detail.

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Not any article or mention of the latest spew coming out of Obama's church eh? Figures, UnOklahoman doing one-sided reporting. Been somewhere for 20 years and never heard anything that anyone said eh?
J.T.(I), Norman - May 30, 2008 2:56 PM
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Yeah, I know Laura Bush is not exactly a beauty queen, and I have no idea what Clinton's brother's wife looked like, but at least Roger had the drugs to take the edge off...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 12:27 PM
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Heey Kevin, are you blind? What does Hillary have to offer, not much. Anyway, democrats continue to falter and John McCain will be our next President!
Lou, Yukon - May 30, 2008 12:19 PM
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Seiously, if you had to look at Hillary first thing in the morning, wouldn't your thoughts 'stray?'
Kevin, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 12:18 PM
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The only problem I had with Clinton(Bill) was his taste in women--the most powerful man in the world at that time, and that was the best he could do?
Kevin, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 12:11 PM
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I wish that Bush could run again , I would vote for him all over again. I don't play the blame game. Some people should look in the mirror and place some of the blame where it goes. The gas prices are not controlled by BUSH or CHENEY. Home foreclosures are due to people being given loans they couldn't afford & were not smart enough to figure it out. It doesn't matter who is in office the Middle Eastern countries hate us because we are infidels (NON-MUSLIM) it's about the religion. The 4,000 gone is a huge loss, but I am sure they knew what they were doing and to lose it now will have caused them to die in vain for nothing. Those of you who post on here, are you really in the inner circle of the Pentagon, Whitehouse or out on the frontlines where you know what is going on or do you just listen to the news??? Bush has had eight years of hell as well. He didn't plan an attack on the towers our friends in the middle east did . You know the ones that liked us when Clinton was in Office( HA-HA) had that idiot done his job instead of sharing cigars with Monica the twin towers may never had happened and the beat goes on !!! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!!!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - May 30, 2008 11:26 AM
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Did the Oklahoman archive these posts? Check out the dates on the earliest ones. Doesn't much matter who wins this election--whoever wins will be the loser, trying to pick up the pieces from Dubya and Cheney's stupidity.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 9:55 AM
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Cale... Are you nuts? Airlines going under. Gas out of sight. Slowest rate of growth. Home foreclosures at the highest. Every country either hates or tolerates us. And, you think there is a democracy in the middle east. So you want to live in that democracy? I didn't think so. More than 4,000 of our best gone. More even wounded in mind and spirit and physically. Billions of dollars dropped in a cesspool of contractors, potentates, and politicians. And the beat goes on. Lies about the wars beginning...Yeah.. a great 8 years. How can anyone ... I mean anyone think this has been anything but a disaster. Be a pround republican... I have no problems with you.. but care more about our country. We will all still get along and then we can be proud of our country. We can not be proud now. I want to be... but I am not.
Mike, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 9:24 AM
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I am so thankful that Oklahoma and Texas both will go to John McCain. I believe that he will win in a landslide before its over. I certainly don't believe the liberal press polls.
Mark, Flower Mound - May 30, 2008 8:36 AM
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Obama is exactly the change America needs. We are failing as a nation in recent years. The EU and China have nearly replaced our superpower status and most 2nd and 3rd world countries would prefer it that way. Our government is no longer an example of progress and no longer a model to be desired by outside nations. We are not the leaders we used to be. Obama, like Abraham Lincoln was, is a little "wet behind the ears." But, he is the right man at the right time for the job needed. I don't care about the Republican or Democrat label (it means nothing today), I do care about sending a message to the world that we are reasonable and capable of regaining respect and getting back to doing what is right. I am hopeful for our nations future, but MCCain is not our future... he is our past and that past doesn't work any longer.
Walker, New York, NY - May 28, 2008 7:38 AM
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All politicians are full of crap and these two are no different.
m., Oklahoma City - May 27, 2008 10:05 AM
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Vote for less defense from Islam terrorism, vote Democrat! Vote for less energy independence and higer gas prices, Vote Democrat. Vote for more government control and higher taxes, vote Democrat! Vote for those that despise our earned well being, vote Democrat!
Brock, Beaver - May 26, 2008 11:30 AM
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Maybe Hussein can explain his hatred of America today.
Bill, tulsa - May 26, 2008 8:13 AM
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Sean: I agree with 100%.The last 8 years have been a nightmare.Our country cannot handle another 4 years of republican rule.
james, Edmond - Apr 22, 2008 7:36 PM
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We need either one Obama or Clinton.
8 years of the stinking GOP and,what do we have? A never ending war,an economy that is in the toilet and, a dollar that is worth squat!!! NO THANK YOU!!!
Democrat all the way.
No thank you, vote Democrat!!!
james, Edmond - Apr 22, 2008 7:20 PM
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Go Obama!!!!
james, Edmond - Apr 22, 2008 7:14 PM
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Mccain may be the best choice all around. Might be the most left wing or independent Republican in a long time. Obama and Hillary are an embarassment to the American system.
Sonny, Morgantown - Apr 22, 2008 5:50 PM
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Anyone - to invite a minister to the White House for a visit is one thing. To attend his church for 20 years and listen to his racist, anti-American rhetoric is another.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 22, 2008 12:49 PM
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Is it true that Bill and Hillary had the Rev Jeremiah Wright in the White House providing marital counseling after Bill's affair with Monica? Someone find out and let us know!!
Sonny, Morgantown - Apr 22, 2008 12:39 PM
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William of Destin - you put it very well in a nutshell. The fringe left of the Democratic Party in their hatred for Hillary and Bill Clinton latched on to Barack Obama and his 'enlightening charisma" without doing much homework on him. The msm can be blamed partly for this because they either hid or suppressed much of Obama's skeletons until Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other right-wing bloggers pushed them into a corner until they had to start reporting his associations and friendships with radicals such as Wright, Rezko, Ayres, etc. Unless the super delegates decide Obama is unelectable, he is going to be the Democratic nominee and most likely will go down in flames i.e.McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Carter. Obama's glitter and glamour has faded especially in the last debate where he could not field questions without stammering and stuttering with lies about his past. He was pretty pathetic.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 22, 2008 12:14 PM
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I hope you people think about more than Bill Clinton's past and "stealing furniture from the white house" when you go to the polls and vote. WHO CARES! Find out where these canidates stand on the issues that are important to you and make an EDUCATED decision. Try to pick someone who doesn't just give good speeches but has the power, strength and experience to back it up.
Lori, Oklahoma City - Apr 22, 2008 10:51 AM
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I'm less than happy with all of the candidates.
But Obama is an empty vessel. God help us if the most liberal voting US Senator and product of the corrupt Chicago political machine gets elected.
Stop thinking like a bunch of teenage girls swooning
@ a rock concert and do the homework. Obama must not be elected.
william, destin - Apr 22, 2008 10:45 AM
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and before some one misses the point...I know I spelled decision wrong. Got into what I was saying.
Chuck, Dallas - Apr 22, 2008 9:42 AM
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As far as politics go... is it not the people who should be governing themselves. "We the people..in order to form a more perfect union." I have not seen any unity within our nation in a long time. Is it not time for us to drop our differences and become America again? Do we even know what it is to be American any more? I don't think the answer is in a particular candidate or an individual, but in the American people. We need to stop looking for quick fixes and an easy way out, and start working together to form a unified nation. Yes we will disagree on things, but we all agree that we want to be free. Freedom is not just an idea it is a way of life, and it takes hard work to accomplish it. We have to stop putting our faith in one man or one woman to run our country, and start standing up against the corruption and political agendas that have plagued our nation for so long. No one is looking out for the people anymore. No one. So we the people have to look out for ourselves now. Why are we paying such high prices for gas? Why are we barely able to get by? Why does it seem like all of our money is going towards a war that is accomplishing nothing? And when did I say it was ok to use the money that I give to the government in ways that I don't see fit. When do I get a say in the affairs of my government? It is time to stand up and let the government know that we as a nation can make disicions! As a nation we will decide! Lets stand up America and let our government know that we will not be taken advantage of anymore!
Chuck, Dallas - Apr 22, 2008 9:39 AM
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It would be a desgrace to put the clintons back in office so Bill can drop his pants again!
david, midwest city - Mar 12, 2008 8:09 AM
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i liked what ferraro said, i believe a person has the right to say what they feel. also paris you go girl, obama should not have made this far and if elected he wont last long, and besides the media should do their homework on him. my best friend from chicago said he is a smooth talker but is back stabber and anti american and is not to be trusted. my friend is a police officer at the chicago pd and the rest of the force feels the same way and that includes the black officers. hillary will be a good president and she will try to help the american people. also our congressman and senators are the actual people we need to worry about. they have to have committee meetings and they pass the laws. on mccain he will be good and like hillary if they have a good staff the could do great. people of the usa wake up and get obama out of there.
robert, cushing - Mar 11, 2008 11:26 PM
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That statement by Miss Ferraro is the most sexist and racist thing Ive ever heard! People are ways saying thats all black people talk about is race. Obama trys to stay away from that and people black and white keep bring it back up!People jobs and homes are going away,the war still going on and when our man & women get killed it makes no difference what color they are!
david, midwest city - Mar 11, 2008 9:02 PM
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Awesome,Obama in 08!!!
james, Edmond - Mar 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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Dave, You could not be more wrong !! Why do you think that every talk show & news network are pulling for Hillary? Because they know Hillary can be beat by Mccain & Obama will not be beat by McCain. If it were not for the Republican vote in Texas , Hillary would have lost & you have Limbaugh to thank for that, Cindy, in MWC please do not vote because you lack common sense & buy into hype that is untrue. The 3:00 a.m. commercial is a prime example of Hillary playing the fear game, the truth is she would wake Bill up & ask him what do I do??? She has no experience either & is very polarizing & manipulative. Now all that being said I as Republican hope you vote Hillary in so McCain will win the Presidency.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Mar 11, 2008 10:59 AM
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McCain has one chance of becoming president. Obama. Obama is ahead for two reasons. He gets 90% of black votes and he gets many republican votes who cross over to vote for him because they know he'll be the easiest to beat. Result, he wins states that Dems will lose by 15% and he loses everywhere else.
Elect John McCain, vote for Barack Obama.
Dave, Oklahoma City - Mar 11, 2008 9:10 AM
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And Mafia connection?
polly, nantucket - Mar 7, 2008 8:48 PM
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Okay, Paris...what can you offer us in regard to Joseph Kennedy's communist connection?
polly, nantucket - Mar 7, 2008 8:48 PM
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ever, not every..sorry
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 6, 2008 9:08 AM
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Degree in History drives my passion. Old 30's 40's and 50's political trivia is my hobby. Any one can find all of the information they want about the Kennedy family the hundreds of books on them and the internet. Why in the world would you every make the statement you made below? I happened to have been a alive when Kennedy was elected and know that the people of this country were more upset by the fact that he was Catholic than where his father got his money and the mafia like involvement of JFK's friends. Just like now we focus on some biased pre-conceived notion we have formed from the media instead of doing your homework and finding out the facts.
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 6, 2008 9:08 AM
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Paris. It would be interesting to know "all of that" that you say you know about the Kennedy family.
Tom, Edmond - Mar 6, 2008 2:03 AM
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Gary, I do not happen to be stupid and you don't have to tell me what JFK was or his family. I know all of that. My point is, that is his background. All of this is what makes a person. Bush Baby has shown the world he is a lier, hardheaded and a very poor image for our country. You know Gary, I don't need to think like you. This is supposed to be a forum where everyone can state thier views, it is not a battle ground for calling people names. I have never seen such petty people as some who post here. I made a statement, I did not ask a question. While your father was teaching you not to smoke, I am sure your mother was trying to teach you manners. Sorry it didn't take with you.
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 3:30 PM
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When all is said and done, Hilary gained 12 delegates, even though she was behind over a hundred. Obama is still way ahead and will remain that way. You guys, knock it off with your stupid name calling. What really angers me is that a good amount of the votes for Clinton yesterday were a direct result of ignorant Americans STILL believeing the utterly false and stupid internet rumors about Obama, people like Cindy from Midwest City. Mind boggling. These people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Kurt, Midtown OKC - Mar 5, 2008 1:57 PM
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Can the Whitehouse stand the Clintons to live there again? When they moved out after the great "co-presidency", they took half of the furniture with them and then had to bring some of it back. What kind of people would steal national treasures, etc from the Whitehouse? Not anyone that I would be interested in having there again. I also read that they had a Christmas tree with porn toys on it as well. (in the Whitehouse) These people are twisted!
HELEN, NOBLE - Mar 5, 2008 12:05 PM
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By the way Paris - you're showing your A$$ by bringing up such petty things as a president's wife smoking or what his grandfather did during WWII. This is why many respectable people will not run for public office- they don't want everything in their past and even their families past to be plastered across the medium. You bring up Bush and his grandfather's past, someone else could bring up JFK and his father's past. His father was a Nazi sympathizer who as Ambassador to England, sided with Hitler and was called back to the states by Roosevelt for his Nazi sympathies. Joe Kennedy was also a well-known bootlegger during prohibition who worked with the mob. Both JFK and his dad were philanderers to the hilt. And if you want to bring up a candidates parents past, look no farther than Obama whose father was a Muslim. Of course to me, I don't care what a candidate's father or grandfather did. They have no more control over what their ancestors did than you do with yours. Bringing petty things like this up are why you are pathetic.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 11:52 AM
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How about a McCain/Condi Rice ticket to go against the Clinton/Obama ticket?
Chris, Norman - Mar 5, 2008 11:46 AM
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Give me a break, Paris - smoking was a known cause for cancer in the 40s and these two ladies 'knew better'; my father smoked and always told me it was a filthy habit back in the 50s and always discouraged me from taking up the habit. And what does a president's wife smoking habits have to do with his perfomance in office? I'm not glossing over Bush's faults; I'm just saying everybody has skeletons in their closets. And since you want to bring up smoking, look no farther than Barak Obama who still smokes (that's a fact) and he also admits to having snorted cocaine previously in his life. And I know a lot of educators who smoke and know its a bad habit. Of course, we're not all perfect like you. And you are total proof that there is no cure for stupid and as far as knowing an A$$, you see one every time you look in a mirror. And you're still pathetic, too.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 11:37 AM
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Gary, you are a rude A$$. Who do you think you are? You don't know me and I don't want to know you. There is no cure for stupid. Look it up Prescot Bush had his assets frozen durning WWII for giving money to Hitler. Do you just go around calling people pathetic? Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Nixon were from an age where they didn't know better. Mrs. Bush is an educator and should be smarter. I see how you just glossed over the other Bush faults.
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 11:13 AM
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Paris- are you talking about Bush or JFK? Oh, I forgot; JFK was dating a Nazi before his Nazi-sympathizing daddy put an end to it and bought off the press from reporting it. Every candidate has his or her skeletons. And who cares about anyone's smoking habits. Mrs. Kennedy and Mrs. Nixon both smoked; what does it matter? You're pathetic.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 11:05 AM
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This is the only country in the free world that would elect and alcholic ex-druggie with a Grandfather that supported the Nazi's. Bush Baby never ran a successful business, married a lady who killed her best friend while she was drunk and can't seem to break her smoking habit. Now we want to elect a man that says he doesn't know alot about the economy and wants amnisty for illegals. Yup, we are all very educated voters.
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 10:59 AM
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That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." Yes, Hillary, it's those same idiots from Ohio that gave DUMBYA his second term. We all know how competent those backwood Ohioans are don't we?
j3lly, Boon Dock - Mar 5, 2008 10:52 AM
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I have never been a Hillery fan. I am starting to reconsider this position. She has been hung by the media and all of the Demophobes. Women usually don't like other women in a position of power. My very Republican husband sat me down last night and had me name all of the reasons I don't like Hillery. I didn't like the way she used to look, I do think she is attractive now. I didn't like her stand on National Health Care. Her position has changed. I thought she was stupid to stay with Bill and last but not least all of the talk shows put her down. My husband shot down all of my answers, the most important being her sticking to Bill. My husband said she is doing what anyone who was commited to their marriage and family would try to do. He thinks it is terrible that grown people would make fun of a woman, especially as vicious as they get. I am getting a little tired of that also. I started thinking about her and pulled out a book that was written about her and low and behold on the back was three endorsements for her presidential qualifications. One from Obama, one from McCain and one from our own Mr Cole. All thought she would make a great president. My, my how times change. I don't have the book with me and if you want the name of it I will have to give it tomorrow. I have bought into the Hillery bashing and I am ashamed of it. I have started looking at her many accomplishments and am overwhelmed.
Paris, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 10:48 AM
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Hillary and Obama on the same ticket? That would be a wonderful team to vote AGAINST.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 10:04 AM
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I find it hard to believe that Americans are stupid enough to believe that Hillary or Obama are qualified to be president. She is touting 35 yrs. experience. As I remember she is in her second term in congress. Hardly 35 years. Even if she adds up the 8 years she ran the white house it still does not add up to 35. Which brings the point that she would be inelgible to run this time since she has already served 2 terms as president. Obama is considered a freshman congressman. Hardly enough experience. So the only one who truly is qualified to be president based on experience is John Mccain, who has been in Washington longer than the White House. Go GOP!!
mike, stilwell - Mar 5, 2008 9:59 AM
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Justin, not that it's any of your business, I pay my taxes to help support the "welfare" programs of whiuch you are so scornful. But, I realize that's not enough. I also am a heavy contributor to the Regional Food Bank and the Salvation Army as well as a charity clinic and several other private organizations that do charitable work. I contribute far more than my internet connection costs. If, you want to get personal, what are you doing to benefit anyone besides yourself? Why do you spend so much time in front of WIC centers, are you getting benefits? Really, I don't care what your answers are. They're no more my business that whatever I do is yours. I'm just tired of the continuing mythical B.S. about welfare cheaters. The truth is we are our brother's keepers and we do a damn poor job of it! I wish I thought this election would somehow change that, but i don't. There are just too many people who "think" the way you do!
Jan, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 8:54 AM
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Cindy in Midwest City - Please check your facts re: Obama's refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance or place his hand over his heart. This is an internet rumor that has been debunked numerous times. (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp) Kelly Ogle addressed this during his 'My Two Cents' segment recently as well.
la, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 7:54 AM
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Well, Hillary is still alive and kicking in the race so we can't sing yet. But this is good news as the Democraps will have to continue to spend tons of money against each other and thus have less to spend come general election time.
Louis, Oklahoma City - Mar 5, 2008 7:52 AM
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God I hope you are watching and ready to help us out when these people vote Hillary Clinton into office. I am a woman and very proud of it and the strugles I have come through in life but I will never accept her as president.
Kenya, Durant - Mar 5, 2008 5:35 AM
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America wakes up and realizes Hillary is the best candidate. Finally!!
Kevin, Tulsa - Mar 4, 2008 11:50 PM
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Here is a possibility. Hillary wins the nomination and selects Chelsea (who is 28) as her running mate. They win in the election. Hillary and Chelsea win second terms. Then Chelsea being 36 years of age runs for president and wins. I cannot find in the Constitution where this could not happen.
Tom, Edmond - Mar 4, 2008 10:50 PM
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In all honesty-would any of you want someone, anyone, to be our president that refuses to salute old glory when our pledge of allegiance is stated or when the national anthem plays, refuse to place their hand over their heart. I do not know about you all, but this alone scares me. Change--that kind of change, I do not want. I simply hope the people win in this election, I am afraid that is not going to happen.
Cindy, Midwest City - Mar 4, 2008 6:59 PM
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After tonight we will be singing, "Ding dong the witch is dead...."
Louis, Oklahoma City - Mar 4, 2008 6:58 PM
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I respected Bill Clinton when he was President and bought our nation out of debt but... Hilliary will not get my vote period.
Jackie, Oklahoma City - Mar 4, 2008 4:41 PM
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I have been a follower of the Bill and Hillary since Bill was the Atty. General of Arkansas. My mother ran around with Bill’s mother. I got a lot of inside information on both Clintons. History tends to repeat it’s self. Based on the history (official and unofficial) of the Clintons, it is my opinion that this country will be in serious difficulty if Hillary is elected President. Personally, I am tired of the hate and destruction of politics in the last 28 years. The politics of today do not solve the problems this country faces. And remember how this republic works. The President proposes and the Congress disposes. The Supreme Court does not make laws. That’s the job of Congress. The supreme force in this country is “We the People” and we have not been doing such a good job of late nationally and at the state level. Good luck to all candidates and may the People win.
Tom, Edmond - Mar 4, 2008 1:23 PM
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a question for you clinton supporters: what experience are you guys talking about? 35 years? she has been elected to only one office, twice, in a state she never lived in. so she has 7 plus years as a senator. so you must be counting the years bill served in arkansas and as president. by that reasoning can my wife claim 30 years experience in my profession? the fact is she has 7 years experience, as a senator, as an elected official.....knowing where the bathrooms in the whitehouse are don't count.
Otis, Woodward - Mar 4, 2008 9:36 AM
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Jan, how many government social programs can you name that have actually *solved* an issue? Let's not pretend that because the cheaters are getting their fill that honest children are no longer malnourished. If you don't believe it, park in front of the WIC office for a day. I notice you keep saying "we" need to do something about the problem. I suggest you start with you. If your heart truly bleeds, how many children could you afford to feed instead of paying for your internet connection? Isn't it true that you could get by with a smaller house or apartment? Is your vehicle from this century? If so, shame, shame. If you went without all these things, just think of the number of children that would no longer be malnourished. If you're lucky, maybe the parent(s) of the children that you're providing for can give you a ride in their Escalade to the nearest bus stop.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 8:12 AM
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Justin, no matter what the system is, there is always someone who will abuse it. I seriously doubt that anyone drives to pickup food stamps in a stretch Cadillac Escalade with 24 inch wheels since those wheels and tires cost in the thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars if they're good for anything besides show. The only people I know who drive such a vehicle are rap "stars", pimps or pro sports figures.
They're all too interested in impressing with their "ride" to go pick up food stamps with it. After all, you don't engage in that kind of very, conspicuous consumption then blow the image since image is the whole point of the silly machine! But, even if such a thing actually happened, better that one contemptible cheater get his stamps than one honest child be malnourished. It is estimated that more than 14 % of Oklahomans are not getting enough food. That's a statistic of which we should be deeply ashamed unless we are doing something, private or public, to change it.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 11:23 PM
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I have a sister who brings up to me that Hitlery is a strong woman and that's the reason I can't stand her. Just how strong is she. Her whole career is being Mrs.Bill Clinton. If she wears the pants in the family, it's probably because she has the goods on Bill. Of course they have both used the white house to become multi-millionaires.
howard, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 11:00 PM
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You're right Jimmy if there is a way to steal this thing count on the morals of the Clintons. (or lack of same)
howard, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:54 PM
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Howard, Don't count her out yet . She is a Clinton & will lie cheat & steal to be in the white house & have all that power. God help us all!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 20, 2008 8:40 PM
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Looks like it's about time for Hitlery to break out the old hanky. Maybe a few tears will help.
howard, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 6:25 PM
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McCain is very electable...in a great-great grandpa kind of way.
G, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 5:01 PM
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Kurt, those Democrats supporting Hillary will believe anything.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 4:30 PM
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It is totally blowing my mind that people are still falling for the "Obama is a Muslim because his middle name is Hussein, he won't salute the flag, blah blah blah" Morons. See for yourself, go look at the comments section of any large media website that allows them, like AOL. Discouraging to say the least.
Kurt, Midtown OKC - Feb 20, 2008 4:02 PM
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Gary, I do understand what you're saying & I am a Republican & I probably would vote for Obama if I were Democrat because he can & will beat McCain . But I will vote with my party when the time comes. I do not view Obama as others do I do not believe he is a rock star , I think he has vision & he could probably make it work as for the post from Lori he hasn't made one promise that Hillary hasn't made. She can't do it either but you will find that out soon enough if she gets elected. I will vote for my party as I stated but for the most part I think I will be sitting on the sideline & watching to see what takes place in Washington & If McCain wins I will be happy ,if Obama wins I will be interested & If Hillary wins I will break out the popcorn & sit back for the show, in the case of the latter I will be waiting for 2012 & reading the same things I read here we want change !!!!! Gary I do agree that when a Democrat takes control we are going to be in danger , I just don't know what form it will take. Vote for McCain.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 20, 2008 1:31 PM
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I changed my political party to democrat, just so I could vot for Hillary Clinton. I fully believe she has the knowledge and experience to clean up the mess our country in currently in. We need her! I think it is sad so many people are jumping on the Obama bandwagon with knowing all the facts. Mr. Obama does not have the experience to do all these things he is promising to do. How does he know he can end the war in Iraq by 2009? Campaign promises like these, scare me. Obama seems to like to go with the popular opinions and not always whats best. I see by his numbers that he is doing well but, I think, people need to open their eyes and jump off the bandwagon.
Lori, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 12:27 PM
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Jimmy, I disagree with your reasons, but I do agree that it will make no difference who is in office. Maybe government leaders dislike us for your reasons, but everyday people I've talked to who dislike Americans dislike us for the reasons I've given. So maybe it's a mixture of both. Regardless, I don't think it will change until we are able to relate to other countries rather than condescend to them. (That's as a collective whole, not as a government or as individuals.)
Paula, Midwest City - Feb 20, 2008 12:17 PM
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Jan, if one is driving a Cadillac Escalade and also starving, the problem is that they don't have their priorities in order. It's good that you donate to charity. More democrats really should instead of demanding higher taxes on the rich (read: anyone that makes more money than them) to be applied to more handouts.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 11:14 AM
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Jimmy - have you looked at Obama's liberal voting record? Don't be deceived by his 'rock star' image that's being played up by the media. Do you want this man to be commander-in-chief of our armed forces. People say we can't do any worse than the last eight years but believe me, we can. After Watergate, the American people bought into 'change' and a Washington outsider by the name of Jimmy Carter. Obama is very shallow in his rhetoric and is the flavor of the month. But as the glitter and glamour wear off the next eight months, the American people will see him for what he is, and McCain will be elected president.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 11:04 AM
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Paula, I believe that it wont matter to those that do hate us, who is in office . The way people view us wont change because Hillary, Obama or McCain become the president & remove the troops from Iraq or anywhere for that matter , they do not like us Paula because we support Israel's right to exist & because this is about religion Paula, not our color or how much money we can give them & it isn't even about the oil . This is my opinion you have every right not to agree with it .
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 20, 2008 11:01 AM
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Some of you just like the media have jumped on a few words in a sentence & made a huge deal out of this. Obamas wife does not hate America, I have read comments in this newspaper from people that hate America & they don't even compare. Those of you voting for Hillary I am all for it because I know McCain can beat her but he wont beat Obama & as for changing the welfare system that is a joke. I have a neice not to proud to say that though, that collects welfare for her & her two children & has since they born they are now 6 & 8. She has been on every tanf program & wic and anything else they give her, she goes to school hit & miss when they actually tell her she could lose some benefits & this has been going on for years!! So Hillary Clinton & her welfare reform are a joke. There are plenty on here that will argue this isn't true but guess again it is. Obama is a decent well educated black man that deserves to win the Presidency . He has no experience according to Hillary & McCain but just maybe that is what we need someone without the experience of Washington & all it has to offer. Someone that can bring it all together & make it work. I am white & I am a republican & this is my point of view not that anyone gives a damn.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 20, 2008 10:55 AM
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Paula, when the income tax I pay gets redistributed to someone else that doesn't actually pay income tax, that's welfare.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:50 AM
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Jimmy, Sandy Shores, regarding the rest of the world hating us: Do you really believe that the "rest of the world" is is made mostly of radical terrorists? I'm sure Canada, most of Europe, Australia, and several other nations would disagree. It's got very little to do with who we are and what we stand for, and more to do with who we think we are and the way we treat others. The collective American "I'm better than the rest of the world" attitude is what turns people off.
Paula, Midwest City - Feb 20, 2008 10:38 AM
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EIC, or Earned Income Credit, is far from welfare. It's to assist low-income families, yes. But the key here is EARNED income. You have to earn money in order to be able to receive EIC. The amount you can receive is based on the amount you EARN; it starts out small, then gradually increases until you reach a specific income level, at which point it decreases again. EIC is nothing like welfare. You have to have a job in order to receive it.
Paula, Midwest City - Feb 20, 2008 10:33 AM
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Oklahoman, you're so far off the reservation I should probably better just let you be. I have you running around in so many circles that you're even voting for the Republican candidate now! For what it's worth, I'll go ahead and let you in on a secret (I'm a Conservative Republican with libertarian leanings). The point you have still failed to grasp is that the good ole' boy Democratic party is the original and reigning champion of racism, so it's no wonder Oklahoman Democrats voted for Clinton over Obama. I never said you were racist, but it is obvious you are ignorant as to how your party wants to treat black people and their reasons for doing so. Where do you get that I said blacks are incapable of racism? I said the percentage of black racists has no bearing on this matter. I'm done throwing you softballs and having you swing three times before the ball even gets there.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:24 AM
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Yes Justin, it's OK by me! By the way, I have no idea the ratio of blacks to whites benifiting from programs you choose to call "welfare" now. But, at the time of the elimination of the old program, whites heavily outnumbered blacks. As for being proud of being black. I am proud of being a white, part-Native American Oklahoman, and I have a close friend who is proud of being a black, part Native American
Oklahoman. I can understand his pride. He is an outstanding person. He apparently has no problem with my pride because we get along as well as family! Neither of us has ever accepted a handout from anyone, and God willing, we never will. But I would not hesitate to utilize a free food source if I were starving. In addition to paying taxes, I make substantial contributions to the Regional Food Bank and to the Salvation Army, because I know they both help feed the poor. I am also proud of that!
Jan, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:18 AM
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Putting a 71+ year old man in office is pretty risky; look at the VP who has had health problems from day one.

Welfare... do any of you really know the numbers as far as how many blacks and whites there are on welfare. Speculation makes some of us look like the idots we really are. Get the facts and stop guessing that it is all a "black affair" when it comes to prison and the welfare system.

As far as the race card if we could come together and right some wrongs to people in America we would be a better society. If Australia can ask forgiveness of the Aborignes for the wrongs they have done to their fellow countrymen then I know we can.
Jackie, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:01 AM
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Jan, you seem to forget the welfare program called the EITC, or Earned Income Tax Credit. There is nothing "earned" about it. If you put that on top of child tax credits, food stamps, TANF, and dozens of other programs not specifically credited as government-sponsored welfare, but are essentially welfare nevertheless, you might find the original program simply replaced with countless others. When I see (granted, rarely) WIC purchases summarily being loaded into a brand new Cadillac Escalade with 24" rims, should I not wonder if the welfare system is still being gamed? Oh, but you say they'd be malnourished or starving without that assistance, so it's OK by you.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 9:56 AM
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Oh Justin, you haven't made a POINT yet. You have called whites racist and said that blacks are incapable of racism essentially in your last post. Again, proving my point that you are pretty much a racist and because you take the black side of this, you believe it's ok to be that way. Have fun voting for Obama, this Democrat will vote Republican for the first time since 1988.
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - Feb 20, 2008 9:53 AM
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Jan - as far as being a "church which hates America" might being stretching it a bit. But the church does boast of being 'unashamedly black'. What if Clinton or McCain attended a church that boasted of being 'unashamdedly white'? Do you not think the msm and pc police would be on that like "white on rice"?
Gary, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 9:37 AM
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P.S. As for the "church which hates America", I never heard such galloping B.S.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 8:33 AM
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Many of you seem to be unaware that welfare, as we once knew it, ceased to exist in the Clinton administration when Clinton banded together with a Republican congress to eliminate it. The only vestiges left of it are Aid for Families with Dependent Children, which is temporary and dependent on those families preparing themselves for employment and seeking it. I believe the Food Stamps program still exists, but if there's anyone in this country who wants men,women and children to be malnourished when we can afford to spend billions, or is is trillions of dollars now, on a war in a country we need never have fought, I don't want to meet the sorry so-and-sos.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 8:32 AM
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a church that denigates america? that's a new slander I haven't heard. if the obamas really disliked america, then why do they care so much about it?
i'm an obama fan and am proud to be one. still, this AP article disgusts me in how blatantly it is trying to manipulate the election. "a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton" belongs in an opinion piece, not a syndicated article about an election. there's still a lot of voting to go before that statement can be made
Tim, Norman - Feb 20, 2008 6:40 AM
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It's clear that the Obama's intensely dislike this country. He is a lifelong member of a church that constantly denigrates this country and is dedicated to Africa. His wife's comment today was just a mistake: they really don't want voters to know how they feel about the US.
Bill, tulsa - Feb 19, 2008 8:42 PM
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Obama, “Words have meaning”.
“The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself”. “I have a dream.” “It depends on what the word is, is”. “This is the first time in my life, I have felt proud to be an American” said Obama’s wife. What? She has not been a proud American? Good grief.
Tom, Edmond - Feb 19, 2008 8:04 PM
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Gary, I can agree that many don't want to be on welfare forever, though when Democrats promise to extend those handouts (in hopes of keeping votes), it tends to remove the will to actually get off welfare. If the only way of life one knows is mooching off the public dole, they tend to start demanding government assistance in all other walks of life. For example, in the Democratic utopia known as New Orleans, thousands upon thousands of people were unable to get out of the way of a hurricane with more than a few days notice of impending destruction and possibility of death. The government shouldn't get the blame for not helping them quickly enough, rather they should get the blame for creating and perpetuating a class of citizens that are totally unable to help themselves in most any situation.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 12:40 PM
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Justin, Unlike Gary whom I usually agree with. I do believe that most people on welfare have no real desire to be off of it, unless they were to win the lotto or something & this goes for white, black & any other color you may be. The hispanic voters are the ones I think are being the most manipulated of all because they want amnesty for their people & this just isn't going to happen. Most people want health care but Hillary has proven she can't make it work. I would hope that no white person would even try to turn this into a white versus black issue, I am white & I think Obama has a lot going for him. If I were a democrat I would probably vote for him. Never is Hillary for anyone but Hillary.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 19, 2008 12:26 PM
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Justin - you do make some good points. However,I don't believe most black people nor any other ethnic group for that matter want welfare forever. I do feel many minority groups want to hear what the government will do for them rather than just giving them the opportunity to do for themselves. The Democratic party in my opinion has always leaned to the left in more government programs which aren't always the answer to our nation's problems. From LBJ's Great Society programs to fight the 'War on Poverty' to federal aid to education, we still incur poverty and illiteracy in our great nation.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 12:06 PM
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Oklahoman from Oklahoma, beyond your continued name-calling, I see you still fail to grasp my point (not that I'm surprised). Just as I didn't call YOU a racist, few black people are racist against themselves. The actual percentage of black racists has no bearing on this matter, as we are talking about white-on-black racism. Do you think Hillary Clinton really cares about black people? Sure, she'll tell them what they want to hear, which is free this and free that, welfare forever, 40 acres and a mule. In reality, she just wants their votes. Keeping black people ignorant, on welfare, and beholden to the Democratic Party is one of their top priorities, even though most Democrats won't state it directly.
Justin, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 11:14 AM
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