Day after the rant Looking back at Mike Gundy's postgame tirade and what prompted it Day after the rant Looking back at Mike Gundy's postgame tirade and what prompted it
I didn't write about Mike Gundy's tirade in The Sunday Oklahoman because I thought Oklahoma State football fans deserved better.
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They deserved to read about one of the wildest games in OSU history and certainly one of the most important wins in Gundy's three-year head-coaching career. But a day later, the outburst and what led to it demands discussion.
Gundy was enraged by Jenni Carlson's column on Bobby Reid in the Saturday Oklahoman.
We don't like to be the story. We hate to be the story. But we became the story.
Did Gundy make some good points? Absolutely. The manner in which collegiate athletes are covered in the media is an excellent topic, worthy of discussion.
I don't buy all of Gundy's argument that college athletes are immune from scrutiny. You can't on one hand treat football players like princes, with everything from opulent training tables to enrollment favors, then claim they're just regular students.
I didn't agree with all of Carlson's column about Reid's attitude and toughness, which is not particularly unique. A whole batch of people rarely agree with all of mine.
But Gundy holds some responsibility for the events that led to the volcano Saturday night. He has not been truthful about the quarterback situation, and that's led to confusion, questions and speculation. Being dishonest with us — which means being dishonest with his very own fans — is not the proper way to do business.
As for Gundy's method and timing, what was he thinking? Yes, he embarrassed Carlson and The Oklahoman, but he also embarrassed himself, taking away from a glorious victory. It was a PR blunder, and I think Gundy probably knows that.
Sunday, he said he regrets only shooting from the hip, instead of preparing a statement. Gundy said he didn't read the column until after the game, though he had heard about it because OSU personnel confiscated all the newspapers from their usual place at the team brunch Saturday morning.
"I wouldn't change a whole lot about it,” Gundy said.
That's unfortunate, because Gundy did not come off looking good.
Oklahoman sports editor Mike Sherman said Sunday he stands behind Carlson and said reasonable people can disagree about how this column was handled and how college athletes should be covered.
Carlson said Sunday: "I stand behind my column. Being questioned is part of being a columnist, but I am certain of the facts in this column.”
Much of this row stems from the growing divide between the public and college athletic programs. Truth is, it's probably a divide that's always been there for other newsmakers. Entertainers, politicians, whoever.
But sports and the media historically had a better relationship. Coaches and writers, athletes and broadcasters. The ultimate goal wasn't world peace or global domination. Some guys played ball, and a whole lot of people were interested in who won. That was the depth of the enterprise.
Of course, that's changed. I don't know if it was Watergate or high salaries or ESPN or the Internet or all of the above. But a growing wall now exists.
Media is more intrusive and analytical than ever before; coaches are more secretive and controlling than ever before, which frankly is at odds with fans being asked to pay prices exponentially higher than in decades past for the privilege of following their teams.
An hour after his meltdown, Gundy chatted with me, a good, cordial conversation in which his attitude hadn't changed but his demeanor had. He said he was through with our paper. I hope that's not true.
I've known Mike Gundy for 22 years. Known him since we both were kids. He was a Midwest City senior, trying to decide between OSU and OU, and I was a cub reporter at the Norman Transcript. I liked him then, I like him now, though it wasn't very easy Saturday night. If Gundy had shown the fire on the sidelines at Troy that he showed in dressing down Carlson, OSU football would be the better for it.
I know Jenni Carlson better. I hired her eight years ago when I was sports editor. She is a good person. A good journalist. Her work ethic would rival football coaches'.
Did her Reid column miss the mark? I doubt it. Could she have written it differently? No doubt.
We all regret when everyone is talking about a writer and a coach and a press conference, after a ballgame in which Brandon Pettigrew and Zac Robinson and Jacob Lacey and Nathan Peterson and Dantrell Savage and Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree and Danny Amendola made us stand up and cheer. Made us remember why we are so passionate about this thing called sport.
I hope we can restore our relationship with Gundy. Ironic thing is, if you chronicled the 100-plus years of Oklahoman sports pages, and ranked all the personalities on how well they've been treated, Mike Gundy would be in the top five.
He was sticking up for his player. I respect that. I think he erred in how he did it, but I don't begrudge that he did it.
But Gundy needs to know that building higher walls will not solve anything. Building higher walls creates, rather than reduces, problems. Building higher walls is not the answer in this new age of sport.
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Lets just face it BERRY YOU SHOULD TAKE THE SPORTS PAGE BACK OVER. AND YOU SHOULD ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE PUTTING JENNI AS A COLUMNIST. REMEMBER THE HORRIBLE BASKETBALL ARTICLE? AMONG WITH THE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS? NOBODY LIKES HER ARTICLES HENCE WHY SO MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING "FAMOUS" PERSONALITIES SAID THE HAD TO BUY THE PAPER AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DIDNT READ HER DUMB ARTICLE THE FIRST TIME.
Berry, where is our 7 days after the rant story, Mrs Reids side etc, or are you the still one sided paper? Not building a wall are you.? Are you on paper recommended leave also?
"It's a lie, I'm like, no this didn't happen," Mrs. Reid told us. "It's not true what she said about me feeding my son chicken." Houston TV clip Wed night >>>> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=sports&id=5677281
I wonder if you have reconsidered your opinion after 5 days of feedback from readers of your paper. In my opinion, the editor made a terrible mistake in letting an article like this onto a 100-plus year old sports page. He should be fired for the irreparable damage he has done to your paper. Football runs deep in the soul of Oklahomans and your paper is lucky that it was not Bob Stoops that delivered this “tirade” response to a fact free assault on a college athlete. That said, I am amazed at how many sooner fans I have talked to that are supporting Gundy.
I decided on Sunday that I would wait until this Friday to see if anyone in the Oklahoman would step up and admit that this article should have never made it into print. Instead, we hear that Jenni Carlson stands by the facts in her article. That is very easy to do because “Rumor has it”, there were no facts in her article. I was not in Oklahoma this week but I am certain the executive management of the Oklahoman were huddled around a bucket of KFC on their blackberries with their mommy.
I currently live in Colorado and have been keeping up with the state by reading your free on-line paper for the past few years. I have made my decision to pay for the Tulsa World on-line paper and discontinue reading this free publication.
SAME AS BELOW. WHY OH WHY ARE YOU DELETING THINGS POSTED THAT DO NOT HAVE CURSE WORDS IN THEM. THIS WILL HELP EXPLAIN.
WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VER
SAME AS BELOW. WHY OH WHY ARE YOU DELETING THINGS POSTED THAT DO NOT HAVE CURSE WORDS IN THEM. THIS WILL HELP EXPLAIN.
WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. THE INTERNET IS SO WONDERFUL AS THIS WAS JUST E-MAILED A FEW MINUTES AGO. HAVE A GOOD DAY. NEWSOK where oh where are my previous posts. Don't worry I saved them for you. QUIT ERASING THEM AND ACCEPT YOUR FATE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU AGREE READERS MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. Sorry for the inconvenience some of you are receiving this a second time. I mean who knew that yahoo would only let you send an e-mail to a limited number of people. To whom it may concern at NEWSOK.com, The Oklahoman, OPUBCO, NEWS 9: First, it saddens me as an Oklahoman that these news organizations listed above have taken the low road over these past few days concerning the Mike Gundy post game press conference. Admittedly I am very upset and have even at times almost sunk(not really that close) as low as your News Organizations have these past few days in vain hoping that the public sentiment would finally be heard. It has become painfully obvious that none of you care that Jenni Carlson personally attacked a young man (kid as Gundy referred to him). Mike Gundy, Jenni Carlson, and yes even Bobby Reid are not above scrutiny just as all of us are not above scrutiny. However, that being said what was done by Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family was a very personal and malicious attack against this young man. I have been critical of Bobby Reid’s and Mike Gundy’s performance in the past but I never and would never attack them personally to make myself feel better. There is a difference between criticizing a person’s performance and attacking them personally. The line was obviously crossed in this instance and this story, column, article; whatever you want to call it should have never been printed in the Oklahoman or posted on NEWSOK.com. It is trash that has caused an irreversible chain of events that has caused lots of damage to a lot of organizations and people. When simply if it had been edited properly and well thought out the subsequent and ongoing chain of events would not have ever happened. To name a few ESPN, FOX, MSN, CNN, Yahoo, You tube and many other media sources. Of course most of the reporters and news agencies have taken up sides with the OPUBCO family and supporters. No real shock there. However, none of you are listening to the majority of the American people who have clearly stated that what Jenni Carlson and the Oklahoman did was wrong and without their wrong the ensuring events would not have happened. Ed Kelley decided to take a very cheap shot at the people of this Great Nation, the Great State of Oklahoma and those of us who genuinely care about Oklahoma State University in saying that we have misplaced priorities and should be focusing our attention more on the education and Presidential status at Oklahoma State University . While I appreciate his report (somewhat) it was very distasteful distributing it at this time to try and take heat off of Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family for a very obvious mistake that they made. I have trust in Oklahoma State University and the people within it and outside of it within the State Government of Oklahoma to do their jobs to make sure that not only Oklahoma State University officials are doing their jobs but also for the University of Oklahoma and any other publicly funded schools, colleges, and University officials are also doing their jobs. If they are not then no doubt those of you within the media circle will be right there to make sure they do. I am sorry I may have missed it in his report but was the State of Oklahoma demanding that OSU find a new president and they have ignored those requests repeatedly? I didn’t think so. This was an obvious attempt by him and the OPUBCO family and supporters such as NEWS 9 and Griffin communications to somehow turn this football story into something so much more. SHAME ON YOU. I can assure you that my priorities are not misplaced as I set here in the middle of war in Iraq , serving as part of the greatest Nation and Navy in the World. It is people like me and the ones that I serve along side in all branches of the military that day after day put our lives on the line all around the world and we continue day in and day out to ensure that you, your families, friends, enemies and the organizations you serve can continue to have the rights that allow such mockery of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America. I am sure that our fore Fathers are not very proud of this display of unprofessional journalism. All who serve in the military are people just like you and we enjoy the same things as the next person. College Football, NFL, Golf, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, cards, polo, swimming, running, biking and so on. What I don’t enjoy is reading or watching such a debacle that has ensured from a post game press conference by Mike Gundy. Lastly, I am deeply concerned about how this out of control situation will continue to affect the Great the State of Oklahoma and the people who are a part of it. Although I no longer live and work there I continue to care and always will about the people, the communities, the farms, the businesses, the churches, the schools, the colleges, the Universities and so on. Because I am and always will be an Oklahoman no matter where I live and work. Yes, I am an Oklahoma State fan but this issue goes way deeper than allegiance to school lines and all of us would do well to remember that. Shortly I will make my last visit to the NEWSOK.com website and can assure you I will avoid your news organizations like the plague. Tulsa World, KOCO, KFOR, KC STAR I am a new customer. P.S. Cox Communications, Alan Gordon Jewelers, Bob Howard Auto Group, Reynolds Ford, Cosmetic Surgery Centers your companies have been included in this e-mail as your companies all advertise with NEWSOK.com. You may want to reconsider who you affiliate with. 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Berry, will you do us the honor of a "week after the rant" story? Did you read the story written about what Mrs Reid said? What will be your build a wall slant now? I believe Jenni laid the foundation.How about a little truth this time? Your "reputation" is more in question than ever now.
Berry
Iappreciate your writing on Ms Carlson and Coach Gundy and you know over the last few yests we have shared anemail or two. I read you regularly and will continue. One thing Ido believe is that reporting has bevome too often a venue for writers too offer too much of their personal opions...so many go beyond the story and into conjecture about motives, personalities and "heart". The great writers, Edwin Pope, Furman Bisher, Kevin Sherrington etc. Know the difference and don't cross the line. One thing I do know for sure is people love college sports because its still somewhat about the gsme, school and state pride and seeing herod arise. When an article comes out like Ms. Carlson's it takes away from those core values and thus people are angry. Frankly I hope they always are. Your comment about walls is true and painfully obvious to those of us who read the psper. This time however its time to consider not so much about what coach Gundy said, but what written. It was too much. Remember what you all write is in many ways a one way voice..you talk we listen. What you are now hearing from your readers is what they would like to write in the paper themselves given an opportuniy. Coach Gundy, whether perfectly said or not, gave your readers a voice. It's worth listening to.
Cordially,
Chuck Tollefsen
Tulsa 918 743 3676
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For those who's still think Jenni Carlson is right, read this: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=sports&id=5677281
.Bobby Reid's mom said the chicken feeding thing never happened, and that Jenni Carlson wasn't even there in Troy to cover the game. Maybe Ms Carlson should become a fiction writer, instead of a "reporter" which she proudly claimed she is.
Since bringing up the constitution, I found this in the First ammendment handbook, "Libel: Defamatory communication
A defamatory communication is one that exposes a person to hatred, ridicule, or contempt, lowers him in the esteem of his fellows, causes him to be shunned, or injures him in his business or calling. Defamation can take the form of libel (published or broadcast communication) or slander (oral communication). " I think Bobby has a case! Maybe Jenni ought to apologize on her own before a judge orders her to apologize?
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Sep 26, 2007 at 6:31 pm
I realize that society in Oklahoma versus the east coast is different, but I would guess that people from Philadelphia would be a little more "in tune" with what the constitution states especially from a professor. There is no ammendment that protects the freedom of criticism! I imagine you are referring to the first ammendment which gives both Jenni and Gundy the right to make their points, as well as us to discuss the whole situation. You made some statements calling Gundy a Tyrant, and he can't have it both ways. I don't know if it is because we are slow down in Oklahoma, but you didn't explain yourself at all or make any points to back up your statement. Most educators thouroughly explain their points of view on a subject - called teaching. I am guessing that you are not a professor of political science or English, possibly journalism??? Finally, you are worried that a professor would be fired if he acted like Gundy, but I believe if more professors had the values and courage of Gundy, there would not be articles written with such GARBAGE as the one printed last Saturday or approved by an editor! Mike Gundy is a perfect example of USING the first ammendment - to fight back against people abusing their power. The internet is changing the tide as you can see the vast majority of people do not support the newspaper (Jenni), however fifteen years ago this altercation would have been swept under the carpet after a few hours.
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Sep 26, 2007 at 6:17 pm
At the very least, Ms. Carlson owes Reid, Gundy and the OSU football team a public apology. If you agree, please sign the petition - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Carlson_public_apology/
the only reason the newsprint media is ticked off about this is because now other coaches who are tired of the same crap will start to respond the same way as GUNDY and that is the end of the free reign for you media jerks
has everyone at the DOK forgotten about the pro football players that did the soup commercials with there moms feeding them i didn't see jenni call them moma's boy's or how about joe nameth he shaved his legs and put on pantyhose guess he's not tough jenni the DOK should realy be called the sooner gazett since it is biased that way
where is bobby reid, why hasn't he had a response to the benching,the article,why has this question been asked.You may have a team that is divided and jenni carleson may have been used to destract the public from what is really happening at osu and the football team.Carleson was out of line bringing the young man's mom into the article,but asking questions about the demotion, after gundy said no player can lose a starting job while injured does need to be answered,is the coach lying to the public ,to writers or more importantly to the team,was the rant and failure to answer simple questions with I don't have to, covering up something else.
Berry: As a long-time Sooner based in D.C., I am inherently less attached to the fate of OSU football, its coach, and its quarterback. However, having read the Carlson piece, it struck me as rather shoddy stuff. Silly, gossipy pieces of evidence, like mother showing up for the team bus, laughing with a coach after an interception; really personal things. I think that is what set Gundy off and why the general response, including that by Bobby Stoops, was pretty hard on Carlson. I know you hired her and like her, but, having read her stuff over the years, it generally is pretty light. Not much football analysis; more fan response material. She just does not come across as much of a heavy, and thus her effort to trash Reid seemed even more like a cheap shot. I almost get the sense that all of the really cheap stuff flowed because OSU had not come clean as to why the guy was benched. But that is no reason to produce such a poorly reasoned column. Gundy's reaction was pure Aggie, something a Stoops would never have done. But basically Gundy had the better case: it was a lousy, smelly article. P.S. I love your blog and your analysis is always spot on. It's a pity the Big 12 has hit the skids. Perhaps it is all about trying to get a city kid to play at "pumpkin center". Dick Self
Please sign this petition. It would be good to be able to put a definitive count infront of her since she's probably having a hard time keeping the tally with all these comments.
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Hey Barry here is a direct quote from Jenni's column; "If you believe the rumors and the rumblings, Reid has been pushing coaches that way for quite some time." OK, she said it herself, RUMORS, nothing factual to base her opinions upon, nothing at all. Plus, she belitles the relationship of a son and his mother? No class.
BTW, your hire of Jenni X amount years ago was well, a poor move on your part. Jenni's columns have always shown that she is incapable of writing anything intelegent or informative about any sport. This conclussion is based soley on my opinion and rummors so it must be factual.
Carlson's column was terrible. Period. Her conclusions regarding Reid's relationship with his mom and the inference that he was less than tough was completely inappropriate. She was wrong. She should be called on the carpet by her editor for doing so.
Berry, Berry, Berry! Don't get caught up in this. I have respected your writing for a much longer time than Jenni's. She wrote a hit piece and Coach Gundy responded. Her column DID miss the mark. She didn't sound credible with her "facts". You talk about building walls, but she is the one who threw up the biggest and needs to apologize. This is not going to quiet down until she eats some crow.
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I wonder if you have reconsidered your opinion after 5 days of feedback from readers of your paper. In my opinion, the editor made a terrible mistake in letting an article like this onto a 100-plus year old sports page. He should be fired for the irreparable damage he has done to your paper. Football runs deep in the soul of Oklahomans and your paper is lucky that it was not Bob Stoops that delivered this “tirade” response to a fact free assault on a college athlete. That said, I am amazed at how many sooner fans I have talked to that are supporting Gundy.
I decided on Sunday that I would wait until this Friday to see if anyone in the Oklahoman would step up and admit that this article should have never made it into print. Instead, we hear that Jenni Carlson stands by the facts in her article. That is very easy to do because “Rumor has it”, there were no facts in her article. I was not in Oklahoma this week but I am certain the executive management of the Oklahoman were huddled around a bucket of KFC on their blackberries with their mommy.
I currently live in Colorado and have been keeping up with the state by reading your free on-line paper for the past few years. I have made my decision to pay for the Tulsa World on-line paper and discontinue reading this free publication.
You are a good writer. I will miss your articles.
John Patrick
Monument, Colorado
WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VER
WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. THE INTERNET IS SO WONDERFUL AS THIS WAS JUST E-MAILED A FEW MINUTES AGO. HAVE A GOOD DAY. NEWSOK where oh where are my previous posts. Don't worry I saved them for you. QUIT ERASING THEM AND ACCEPT YOUR FATE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU AGREE READERS MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. Sorry for the inconvenience some of you are receiving this a second time. I mean who knew that yahoo would only let you send an e-mail to a limited number of people. To whom it may concern at NEWSOK.com, The Oklahoman, OPUBCO, NEWS 9: First, it saddens me as an Oklahoman that these news organizations listed above have taken the low road over these past few days concerning the Mike Gundy post game press conference. Admittedly I am very upset and have even at times almost sunk(not really that close) as low as your News Organizations have these past few days in vain hoping that the public sentiment would finally be heard. It has become painfully obvious that none of you care that Jenni Carlson personally attacked a young man (kid as Gundy referred to him). Mike Gundy, Jenni Carlson, and yes even Bobby Reid are not above scrutiny just as all of us are not above scrutiny. However, that being said what was done by Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family was a very personal and malicious attack against this young man. I have been critical of Bobby Reid’s and Mike Gundy’s performance in the past but I never and would never attack them personally to make myself feel better. There is a difference between criticizing a person’s performance and attacking them personally. The line was obviously crossed in this instance and this story, column, article; whatever you want to call it should have never been printed in the Oklahoman or posted on NEWSOK.com. It is trash that has caused an irreversible chain of events that has caused lots of damage to a lot of organizations and people. When simply if it had been edited properly and well thought out the subsequent and ongoing chain of events would not have ever happened. To name a few ESPN, FOX, MSN, CNN, Yahoo, You tube and many other media sources. Of course most of the reporters and news agencies have taken up sides with the OPUBCO family and supporters. No real shock there. However, none of you are listening to the majority of the American people who have clearly stated that what Jenni Carlson and the Oklahoman did was wrong and without their wrong the ensuring events would not have happened. Ed Kelley decided to take a very cheap shot at the people of this Great Nation, the Great State of Oklahoma and those of us who genuinely care about Oklahoma State University in saying that we have misplaced priorities and should be focusing our attention more on the education and Presidential status at Oklahoma State University . While I appreciate his report (somewhat) it was very distasteful distributing it at this time to try and take heat off of Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family for a very obvious mistake that they made. I have trust in Oklahoma State University and the people within it and outside of it within the State Government of Oklahoma to do their jobs to make sure that not only Oklahoma State University officials are doing their jobs but also for the University of Oklahoma and any other publicly funded schools, colleges, and University officials are also doing their jobs. If they are not then no doubt those of you within the media circle will be right there to make sure they do. I am sorry I may have missed it in his report but was the State of Oklahoma demanding that OSU find a new president and they have ignored those requests repeatedly? I didn’t think so. This was an obvious attempt by him and the OPUBCO family and supporters such as NEWS 9 and Griffin communications to somehow turn this football story into something so much more. SHAME ON YOU. I can assure you that my priorities are not misplaced as I set here in the middle of war in Iraq , serving as part of the greatest Nation and Navy in the World. It is people like me and the ones that I serve along side in all branches of the military that day after day put our lives on the line all around the world and we continue day in and day out to ensure that you, your families, friends, enemies and the organizations you serve can continue to have the rights that allow such mockery of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America. I am sure that our fore Fathers are not very proud of this display of unprofessional journalism. All who serve in the military are people just like you and we enjoy the same things as the next person. College Football, NFL, Golf, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, cards, polo, swimming, running, biking and so on. What I don’t enjoy is reading or watching such a debacle that has ensured from a post game press conference by Mike Gundy. Lastly, I am deeply concerned about how this out of control situation will continue to affect the Great the State of Oklahoma and the people who are a part of it. Although I no longer live and work there I continue to care and always will about the people, the communities, the farms, the businesses, the churches, the schools, the colleges, the Universities and so on. Because I am and always will be an Oklahoman no matter where I live and work. Yes, I am an Oklahoma State fan but this issue goes way deeper than allegiance to school lines and all of us would do well to remember that. Shortly I will make my last visit to the NEWSOK.com website and can assure you I will avoid your news organizations like the plague. Tulsa World, KOCO, KFOR, KC STAR I am a new customer. P.S. Cox Communications, Alan Gordon Jewelers, Bob Howard Auto Group, Reynolds Ford, Cosmetic Surgery Centers your companies have been included in this e-mail as your companies all advertise with NEWSOK.com. You may want to reconsider who you affiliate with. 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Iappreciate your writing on Ms Carlson and Coach Gundy and you know over the last few yests we have shared anemail or two. I read you regularly and will continue. One thing Ido believe is that reporting has bevome too often a venue for writers too offer too much of their personal opions...so many go beyond the story and into conjecture about motives, personalities and "heart". The great writers, Edwin Pope, Furman Bisher, Kevin Sherrington etc. Know the difference and don't cross the line. One thing I do know for sure is people love college sports because its still somewhat about the gsme, school and state pride and seeing herod arise. When an article comes out like Ms. Carlson's it takes away from those core values and thus people are angry. Frankly I hope they always are. Your comment about walls is true and painfully obvious to those of us who read the psper. This time however its time to consider not so much about what coach Gundy said, but what written. It was too much. Remember what you all write is in many ways a one way voice..you talk we listen. What you are now hearing from your readers is what they would like to write in the paper themselves given an opportuniy. Coach Gundy, whether perfectly said or not, gave your readers a voice. It's worth listening to.
Cordially,
Chuck Tollefsen
Tulsa 918 743 3676
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.Bobby Reid's mom said the chicken feeding thing never happened, and that Jenni Carlson wasn't even there in Troy to cover the game. Maybe Ms Carlson should become a fiction writer, instead of a "reporter" which she proudly claimed she is.
A defamatory communication is one that exposes a person to hatred, ridicule, or contempt, lowers him in the esteem of his fellows, causes him to be shunned, or injures him in his business or calling. Defamation can take the form of libel (published or broadcast communication) or slander (oral communication). " I think Bobby has a case! Maybe Jenni ought to apologize on her own before a judge orders her to apologize?
I realize that society in Oklahoma versus the east coast is different, but I would guess that people from Philadelphia would be a little more "in tune" with what the constitution states especially from a professor. There is no ammendment that protects the freedom of criticism! I imagine you are referring to the first ammendment which gives both Jenni and Gundy the right to make their points, as well as us to discuss the whole situation. You made some statements calling Gundy a Tyrant, and he can't have it both ways. I don't know if it is because we are slow down in Oklahoma, but you didn't explain yourself at all or make any points to back up your statement. Most educators thouroughly explain their points of view on a subject - called teaching. I am guessing that you are not a professor of political science or English, possibly journalism??? Finally, you are worried that a professor would be fired if he acted like Gundy, but I believe if more professors had the values and courage of Gundy, there would not be articles written with such GARBAGE as the one printed last Saturday or approved by an editor! Mike Gundy is a perfect example of USING the first ammendment - to fight back against people abusing their power. The internet is changing the tide as you can see the vast majority of people do not support the newspaper (Jenni), however fifteen years ago this altercation would have been swept under the carpet after a few hours.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Carlson_public_apology/
BTW, your hire of Jenni X amount years ago was well, a poor move on your part. Jenni's columns have always shown that she is incapable of writing anything intelegent or informative about any sport. This conclussion is based soley on my opinion and rummors so it must be factual.