Mike Gundy offered no regrets Monday for his Saturday night outburst, other than to say he wishes he would have taken it further.
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Gundy, defiant at times during the weekly Big 12 coaches teleconference, fielded several questions from reporters concerning his postgame response to a Saturday column by The Oklahoman's Jenni Carlson detailing the reasons quarterback Bobby Reid may have lost his job.
"Wish I would have said more,” Gundy said. "Tired of certain people downgrading college athletes who are good people. If you want to comment on his play, comment on his play.
"But don't comment on something that's outside of his play that is downgrading or belittling to a young man who is trying to do things right and he has to get splashed all over the newspaper in the state of Oklahoma. And on a game day.”
Most of the 10-minute question-and-answer session with Gundy focused on his postgame press conference, not his team or upcoming games or Saturday's wild 49-45 win over Texas Tech. Questions came both regionally and nationally, with the back-and-forth often strained.
ESPN's Joe Schad asked Gundy to expand on his stance that college athletes should be spared criticism.
"Did you see the press conference,” Gundy said, before Schad repeated his question. "I'm asking if you saw the press conference?”
Schad: "Yes.”
Gundy: "That pretty much answered that question, didn't it?”
Asked if his postgame rant, which included no talk of the game, might have overshadowed what his players accomplished in such an important win, Gundy stood by his actions.
"I hate that for the players,” he said, "but it's more important that a young man having a difficult time, going through a change where he's been moved to second team and another player's been moved to first team, and then for a person to take a cheap shot at him and belittle him in the public eye… I thought it was more important that somebody take up for the player who couldn't stand up for himself.”
Gundy said he's received considerable support from other coaches in the form of phone calls and e-mails.
"I've been bombed with them,” Gundy said. "I don't read them, because I don't read e-mail and all that. I just know the secretaries keep coming in and saying the phone won't stop ringing, the e-mails are coming from the support.
"That's not why I did it. I didn't know it was going to have this kind of affect. I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do, because of the way it was handled with one of our players.”
SEEMS THAT ALL OF DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED I WONDER WHY? DID HE WRITE FOUL LANGUAGE? NO WELL MAYBE THIS IS WHY.
WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. THE INTERNET IS SO WONDERFUL AS THIS WAS JUST E-MAILED A FEW MINUTES AGO. HAVE A GOOD DAY. NEWSOK where oh where are my previous posts. Don't worry I saved them for you. QUIT ERASING THEM AND ACCEPT YOUR FATE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU AGREE READERS MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. Sorry for the inconvenience some of you are receiving this a second time. I mean who knew that yahoo would only let you send an e-mail to a limited number of people. To whom it may concern at NEWSOK.com, The Oklahoman, OPUBCO, NEWS 9: First, it saddens me as an Oklahoman that these news organizations listed above have taken the low road over these past few days concerning the Mike Gundy post game press conference. Admittedly I am very upset and have even at times almost sunk(not really that close) as low as your News Organizations have these past few days in vain hoping that the public sentiment would finally be heard. It has become painfully obvious that none of you care that Jenni Carlson personally attacked a young man (kid as Gundy referred to him). Mike Gundy, Jenni Carlson, and yes even Bobby Reid are not above scrutiny just as all of us are not above scrutiny. However, that being said what was done by Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family was a very personal and malicious attack against this young man. I have been critical of Bobby Reid’s and Mike Gundy’s performance in the past but I never and would never attack them personally to make myself feel better. There is a difference between criticizing a person’s performance and attacking them personally. The line was obviously crossed in this instance and this story, column, article; whatever you want to call it should have never been printed in the Oklahoman or posted on NEWSOK.com. It is trash that has caused an irreversible chain of events that has caused lots of damage to a lot of organizations and people. When simply if it had been edited properly and well thought out the subsequent and ongoing chain of events would not have ever happened. To name a few ESPN, FOX, MSN, CNN, Yahoo, You tube and many other media sources. Of course most of the reporters and news agencies have taken up sides with the OPUBCO family and supporters. No real shock there. However, none of you are listening to the majority of the American people who have clearly stated that what Jenni Carlson and the Oklahoman did was wrong and without their wrong the ensuring events would not have happened. Ed Kelley decided to take a very cheap shot at the people of this Great Nation, the Great State of Oklahoma and those of us who genuinely care about Oklahoma State University in saying that we have misplaced priorities and should be focusing our attention more on the education and Presidential status at Oklahoma State University . While I appreciate his report (somewhat) it was very distasteful distributing it at this time to try and take heat off of Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family for a very obvious mistake that they made. I have trust in Oklahoma State University and the people within it and outside of it within the State Government of Oklahoma to do their jobs to make sure that not only Oklahoma State University officials are doing their jobs but also for the University of Oklahoma and any other publicly funded schools, colleges, and University officials are also doing their jobs. If they are not then no doubt those of you within the media circle will be right there to make sure they do. I am sorry I may have missed it in his report but was the State of Oklahoma demanding that OSU find a new president and they have ignored those requests repeatedly? I didn’t think so. This was an obvious attempt by him and the OPUBCO family and supporters such as NEWS 9 and Griffin communications to somehow turn this football story into something so much more. SHAME ON YOU. I can assure you that my priorities are not misplaced as I set here in the middle of war in Iraq , serving as part of the greatest Nation and Navy in the World. It is people like me and the ones that I serve along side in all branches of the military that day after day put our lives on the line all around the world and we continue day in and day out to ensure that you, your families, friends, enemies and the organizations you serve can continue to have the rights that allow such mockery of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America. I am sure that our fore Fathers are not very proud of this display of unprofessional journalism. All who serve in the military are people just like you and we enjoy the same things as the next person. College Football, NFL, Golf, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, cards, polo, swimming, running, biking and so on. What I don’t enjoy is reading or watching such a debacle that has ensured from a post game press conference by Mike Gundy. Lastly, I am deeply concerned about how this out of control situation will continue to affect the Great the State of Oklahoma and the people who are a part of it. Although I no longer live and work there I continue to care and always will about the people, the communities, the farms, the businesses, the churches, the schools, the colleges, the Universities and so on. Because I am and always will be an Oklahoman no matter where I live and work. Yes, I am an Oklahoma State fan but this issue goes way deeper than allegiance to school lines and all of us would do well to remember that. Shortly I will make my last visit to the NEWSOK.com website and can assure you I will avoid your news organizations like the plague. Tulsa World, KOCO, KFOR, KC STAR I am a new customer. P.S. Cox Communications, Alan Gordon Jewelers, Bob Howard Auto Group, Reynolds Ford, Cosmetic Surgery Centers your companies have been included in this e-mail as your companies all advertise with NEWSOK.com. You may want to reconsider who you affiliate with. 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Fire Jenni Carlson or better yet get her a job with the National Enquirer reporting from Texas as they seem to have kids who really have problems!! No room for her or that style of reporting in OK.
Please sign this petition. It would be good to be able to put a definitive count infront of her since she's probably having a hard time keeping the tally with all these comments.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Carlson_public_apology/
ESPN's kirk herbstreit and friends break it down...you can hear them laughing at Jenni's article as Desmond describes it...http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/index
Uhh, is it just me or didn't the coach already state the innaccuracies at the top of his lungs during the tirade? Maybe Jenni didn't hear that in the heat of the moment, but for the love of God, review the tape before you make a response video that makes you look even dumber!
As an okie I follow the news on a daily basis and find your style of sports reporting repugnant. So glad I got away from you people when I did way back when. Feel sorry for this kid's family. You need to go back to the trailer park you came from.
"this kind of affect"... John, please, you are a professional writer. Although maybe Gundy was surprised by the general tone or demeanor of what he said, I believe you meant "effect".
Hey Jenny, why don't you let the viewers comment on the utube page where you try to defend your article? If you can dish it out you should have the guts to take it!
I am cancelling my subscription to the "Daily Dissapointment" I was only subscribing for the sports section, but I can read about sports for free online. Jenni Carlson did not say one positive thing about Oklahoma State football in that article.
You have called what Mike Gundy said as a "Tirade" and "postgame rant". What in the world do you call the drivel that came from a supposed sports columnist? What he said was true. What she said was not true. I'm terribly sorry to say I once worked for OPUBCO.
I just watched the replay on ESPN again. Even though he lost his temper, it was for a good cause. He supports his players and he cares about them. The article was in poor taste, make that bad taste. The paper made it worse by saying they stand behind the bad article. Gundy has the right and the obligation to stand up for his players. If you don't like it or understand it, then you haven't been the brunt of attacks that he talked about. Gundy you have my respect. Thanks for taking care of your student athletes.
Mike from Kingfisher, what's your deal? Respect Gundy or don't respect him, just quit typing your jibber-jabber, nobody wants your opinion anymore. Go play in traffic.
andy... How soon you forget what a moron LESS Miles made of himself while in Oklahoma. Ms. Carlson would not have written so carelessly about Stoops players either. I have never been impressed with her writing, she seems more like a high school yearbook editor to me. Additionally, you probably aren't stuck with the load of poor writing within the local sports pages you read. I think the Oklahoman Sports page needs NEW blood in the department. I haven't read Ms. Carlson in a very long time (until Sat.) because she is consistently lame and boring. There are plenty of women out there who know sports and know how to write about sports better than she does. She has had this coming for a long time. Good Job Gundy on standing up for what you believe and caring so much about your players. You have my respect, Coach!
aka - Soonerfied
Hey Andy in Glendale...check out the UCLA website.... I think you'll eat your words about Gundy being a fool...far more people think it was great than not...only guys with no clue like you don't get it.
Next time you are getting your *%$ chewed. Listen. Gundy told you the inaccuracies. Your story was in poor taste. Cricize a guy for eating food his mother brought him. That is lame. I saw the video the OK propaganda machine put out. Nice Moo Moo. Looks like somebody's been eating to much home cooking. At least Reid block's when he is not playing QB. When your not writing, it looks like you hit the fried chicken and Braums like a tiger hits a water buffalo. It makes me want to puke.
I believe that Mike has gained much respect not only from the Oklahoma State following but also from the entire nation. On ESPN earlier Mr. Palmer defended Gundy in that he has to protect his players from comments that have nothing to do with their play on the field. As a student at OSU the daily talk had not been of the utmost respect for Mike Gundy following the Troy game. However, by defending his players and showing he cares the talk today was he did what he needed to do. I am a loyal reader of the Oklahoman and I am incredibly disappointed in the manner in which the situation has been handled. I believe that an article criticizing Bobby's play was appropriate, but to insult him for eating chicken with his mother is ubsurd. I know very few college students who would allow their mother to feed them because they would be embarrased not because they are babies. You have to give him credit Bobby is more of a man then most because he has taken more than most college athletes have to from reporters and fans. I congragulate Bobby Reid for handling the matter with dignity. I can't wait to see Bobby run on to the field next weekend at wide receiver and hear the crowd, yes only of 48,000 and not 90,000, cheer him on.
Gundy's lucky that I'm not writing a weekly column. Alot of things in Carlson's article were accurate. Some highschool stars never make it, but I'm sure none of this is Gundy's fault. Welcome to the Big Leagues. If Gundy can't take criticism, he need to get a cushy job selling cars or insurance. He needs to get over it and concentrate on winning some football games. He's going to have to do it without a defense, because the guy HE PICKED as Defensive Coordinator isn't getting the job done. Saturday's defense was a joke. Bobby Reed has had alot of opportunities. If he can't make plays, he needs to have his but on the bench and give Zack an opportunity. OR SOMEONE!
I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
Mike Gundy just showed the world why he's the youngest coach in Division I - he's immature. That whole tantrum was immature. Bob Stoops, Les Miles, not even Charlie Weis woudl have ever done anything like that, and because of it, millions upon millions of people have now read that article about Bobby Reid. If Gundy was a good head football coach, which he is not, then first of all, in his 3rd year, he would have a explosive team with all the "talent" he has, and secondly, he would know when NOT to emphasize an article that makes one of his players look bad, not only to the state of Oklahoma, but now the world. Gundy really blew it on this one... and I live in Los Angeles, CA, why do I even need to have an opinion on this? Well, because of ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo, and every other sports site... good job ole' Gundy.
Jenni should be re-assigned. She looks like she could be a great food columnist!!! She has a history of articles with bad facts. This is not the first time. Great job coach Gundy! Way to put the media in its place!
C,PV, you are dead on. Some refuse to see Coach Gundy's tantrum objectively.... Bobby Reid was supposed to be the second coming of Vince Young. Coaches and media predicted just that. I, personally, have wondered what was holding him back. I believe, this whole fiasco has shed some light on it. The paper should put together a montage of coaches quotes about how Reid was their guy and destined for greatness. Maybe this coaching staff failed to develop this talent and is showing frustration...?
I definitely don't think the coach should "boast" about the win, but I thought he should give the players some credit and support for it. He has more than one player.
I'm another OU fan who agrees with Coach Gundy's actions. Thanks for standing up for your player! I think it was more important for the team to hear their coach publicly standup for their teammate, rather than boast about the win. Maybe he was a little loud, but sometimes you have to make some noise to be heard. It definitely worked in this case, I hope he just doesn't make a habit of it.
It's wise to think before you speak....the column expressed opinion. Gundy's team had just finished playing a formidable team in their Big 12 opener...and stayed in the ballgame matching point for point ...and then successfully put the game away. Those players deserved some of Coach Gundy's focus and it would have seemed most appropriate for Gundy to have given those who played their hearts out ...whose bodies were aching, who were exhausted from the effort some applause. Most of you applaud Gundy for what he did do that day in the press conference... for his sticking up for the one player who had been the subject of a sports opinion column. Often I have read those columns and I have felt sorry for this player or that one because who wants to have it published that you dropped the ball and lost the game. ...stuff like that. It would be tough to have your name go down in history as the reason for the loss of the most important game of the season. You had the chance to do it and you let it slip right through your fingers. Not fun. _____________________________Reid deserved some support and Gundy publicly gave him that. Did that make Reid feel any better? I say not. I say it for a couple of reasons..... To see your coach talk about you like that had to be embarrassing and perhaps even humiliating. A column is printed about you and it says lots of embarrassing and hurtful stuff. You're hurt and embarrassed ,but your teammates rally around you and try to let you know it is no big deal...that no one is going to take it seriously...then your coach's behavior says something entirely different. Shakespeare is famous for this line, "Methinks you doth protest too much." Gundy did. In doing so, I don't think he made Reid feel any better, maybe worse. In this teammates eyes....well, it looks as if Jenni's words struck pay dirt....as in where there is smoke, there is fire. Gundy made too much of this and not enough of the win and the effort of the team which was set on savoring its victory. He exhibited no euphoria and what he did exhibit seemed inappropriate. So many of you disagree....and so I question that maybe I am out of step here. However, it is my opinion. I think, after that game, if all he had in him was a retort for a columnist, something is awry. He could have shared the euphoria with his team and then become quite serious and expressed his dismay over Carlson's column in a more professional and mature way...keeping his cool would have done a lot more to invalidate her claims and would have spared Reid additional embarrassment......I think he handled it all wrong. However, I don't feel he owes Carlson an apology...but I definitely believe he owes Bobby Reid, Zac Robinson and the rest of the team and maybe even the coaching staff and apology...and yes, to the fans. That's my opinion.
A 22 year old is not a "kid." Why is it that only elite college athletes (mostly D 1) are referred to as kids? It is stupid if you ask me...not to mention demeaning to the athlete, his or her team, & his or her parents. I have never really cared for Jenni Carlson's columns but for Gundy to go all irate over it shows his unprofessionalism and immaturity (most people would be fired from their jobs for going off like that--especially if it were on video). These athletes are given an education...the least they should be able to do is take a little criticism and consider the source if they don't like it. I'm sure the "kid" never turned down any praise for playing well.
All I'm going to say is there is a reason this paper is refered to as The Joklahoman and The Daily Dissapointment. Also I've never liked Jenny Carlson articles because like this one usually are pointless.
I'm a Sooner fan and now a Gundy fan. You can't help but admire a coach that stands up for his players. I have had two kids play college sports and I can vouch that there is no free ride. They earn every bit of that scholarship and more. The last thing a kid needs is being belittled by someone that has not walked in their shoes. As a parent, it is very hard to have someone you are so proud of criticized by a fan or reporter. Thanks Coach Gundy for being their for those hard-working young men.
I am a sooner Alum as are all my children. Sat morning when I read that article I told my wife that article was out of line and I felt it could be severely damaging to a young man at he low point of a very successful athletic career. I know Jenny and she is not a mean or cruel person. I think that the sportswriters feel a need to say more and more outlandish things so people will talk about their work. Sometimes they step over the line. My bet is that if you put truth serum into both Jenny and coach Gundy, they would like to have a chance handle things a little differently.
OFF-TOPIC (sort of) jon,Stillwater. You're sorely mistaken if you believe the Oklahoman was a respected publication under E.K. Gaylord. He was considered a perfect example of a yellow journalist. I must say the paper has improved over the last 20 years, but Ms. Carlson is doing her dead-level best to destroy that improvement. -----------Note to Sooner Fans ------------- I supported Bob Stoops after the Oregon game. I still do. I've read and heard from many Sooner fans that they support Coach Gundy. I agree with several other posters, this shouldn't be a Bedlam issue.
As I read the column Saturday my first thought was that this is the type of thing that coaches usually are able to keep quiet. My feeling is that Gundy is just mad because his secrets got away from him. He had to do something to support his player, and get Reid's mom off his butt. His anger should have been directed not at the writer, but at her sources since he obviously has a leak to plug.
You people are being absolutely riduculous. The point is that no one deserves to be embarassed like that...No One! How would any of you (who are too busy pointing fingers about this or that) like it? This is not about Jenny Carlson, Mike Gundy, Bobby Reid, OSU, OU or the Gaylords and their worthless paper (which always has dumb editing mistakes)...it is about Right and Wrong. Reid is a human being with thoughts and feelings first and foremost, then he is a football player. He is young, he may have some maturing to do...I am sure all of you ranting and raving are perfect. I disagree with Carlson, I appluad Gundy for standing up no matter how he did it. The fact of the matter is that no one is perfect so lets ease up on everybody and move on with our lives. OSU has another game this Saturday...maybe we should start thinking ahead to that!
Hey, Johnny, state...sorry to show your ignorance, but it's Rockwall, Not Rockwell. And, by the way, it is beautiful and it does have a very good Class 5A football program in Texas. No, I don't play for the Chiefs, but I am certainly more of an expert than you
(All State, played major college ball, had several pro offers, coached and majored in journalism). What are your credentials other than having a big mouth on the keyboard? Why bring up coach Stoops and make him a part of this issue? It has nothing to do with him? Of course, the only reason you do so is to show your true colors and your true ignorance. Perhaps Coach Gundy was over the top and perhaps the pressure is getting to him a little. Since you're a Sooner lover, why do you care? Answer--it's an opportunity for you to mouth off about how much class OU has. Let's see, didn't they just have some of their own dirty laundry hanging out for everyone to see? In fact, doesn't that happen pretty regularly? Give it a rest, amateur--you probably couldn't catch a football--or even a cold. You're right, Coach Stoops is a good guy and a great coach--classy, too. Why don't you follow his lead? By the way, we're not talking "logic" here, we're talking facts, and the fact is you don't know what you're talking about!
Gundy was right on...lanching a public personal attack on a good kid is inexcuseble. Like it was said, it would be different if he had beat his girlfriend, raped a co-ed or stolen from someone. If I were one of Bobby Reid's parents, Carlson & I would be having a face to face meeting. I never had any feelings about Carlson and her articles in the past, some were OK, some weren't. I do believe this may be the beginning of the end of her career here in OK. She never has been favorably viewed by OU fans, and now she has cut here own throat with OSU fans. I don't think that this is something that will blow over in a few days, it will continue to follow her. I guess Jenni can start covering rodeo, hunting/fishing & lake levels in the future.
Women should really stay off a sports board, I mean really, they only pretend to like sports. A chick has to display intimate knowledge of the game before I'd believe it..
Ok, it's one thing to push back against Jenni Carlson and the Daily Oklahoman (I applaud Gundy for standing up for Reid but don't agree with the manner he chose to do it), but to basically dismiss a simple question from an ESPN reporter who was just doing his job by asking a tough (but very answerable) question? So Gundy's rant is all he has to say about the issue? Why not use the question as an opportunity to answer the question intelligently instead of being a Bobby Knightesque smart-ass about it? ESPN didn't write the article. Hell, Gundy should be happy an ESPN reporter is even interested enough to ask him a question.
Truth Seeker, Oklahoma City - Sep 24, 2007 3:16 PM
This isn't an OU/OSU issue. Momma Reid, your son plays D1 football and is getting a free education. If he can't deal with it, the intramurals field is down the street. Gundy needs to take one of old man Sutton's pills, and think the situation over before trying to intimidate a female writer(try explaining that to your kids). Last time I checked, this is America, and I'll express my opinion as I damn well please.
I am a die-hard Sooner fan but I have the utmost respect for Mike Gundy for taking up for his player. He certainly did the right thing. Good for you Mike!!!! bye the way i'm a cowboy fan as long as they
're not play OU/.
"She got the results she desired. I'm sure the upper eschelon at the Daily-O took her out to lunch today at the Boulevard Steakhouse, The Coach House, or The Ranch. After that, I'm sure they have scheduled a few press conferences and maybe a satellite linkup with Mike Lupica. If she didn't have a corner office overlooking Gaylord pond, she now does." That hit it right on the head. And if you think the Gaylord family doesn't have any pull, you are foolish.
After his Oklahoma State Cowboys squeaked by Texas Tech, you'd think coach Mike Gundy would be in a great mood. Instead, he decided to scream at Jenni Carlson, Lady Reporter.
See, the Lady Reporter had the temerity to point out the OSU quarterback's infantile behavior in last week's devasting loss to a lesser team.
Gundy's response? Make sure everyone finds out the fact that the Lady Reporter doesn't have children of her own. You see, in his mind, a Lady Reporter covering a major Division I college football team is prohibited from criticizing an athlete receiving a state-funded scholarship. Why? Well, uh, hmm... any PARENT would understand!
Gundy describes his poor, helpless QB as if he's an eight year old boy who just found out there's no Santa Claus. C'mon, Mike, give us a break!
Implicit message? Why would a Lady want to write about football anyway, when she should be at home having babies?
I think Gundy embarrassed himself on Saturday by throwing his little tantrum, then embarrassed himself again by not having an answer to ESPN's Joe Shad's question. I guess he couldn't think that fast. And he thinks he is getting a lot of support because the secretaries are telling him he is. He really doesn't know because he doesn't read the paper or "email and all that". Maybe he could get one of the computer science majors to show him how. They do have those at OSU, don't they? You know, people wouldn't be saying so much about him if he had come out Monday morning and said "Okay, I went a little overboard, but I was just taking up for one of my players". Now he looks like a cocky little boy trying to look big. You have to be big to look big, Coach. So far, you're not cutting it.
James, Gaylord is not that powerful. Here is what is said about it ".....The Daily Oklahoman newspaper, later named The Oklahoman, remains in the family. Although a respected newspaper during Edward King Gaylord's tenure, it became unabashedly partisan after Edward L. became its publisher; in Oklahoma it was frequently referred to as "The Daily Disappointment," and the Columbia Journalism Review dubbed it "The Worst Newspaper in America" in 1999. Of particular note were the preponderance of front-page stories praising the publisher and an editorial page with what even the newspaper's own reporters and editors acknowledged as extreme religious and political views.
Jon, I don't really care if Gundy chooses to "go to war" with the Gaylords. The point was he has enough on his plate trying to compete in the Big XII South. If he wins only 2-3 games in that division, the Oklahoman would be in a great position to crucify him if they so choose. He's pissing off one of the most powerful entities in this part of the country and that's not a wise thing to do in his position. No, it's not the Dallas paper or the Washington Post; we're not in Washington or Dallas. But if you think Gaylord doesn't have tug with OU and OSU regents and donors across the country you're dumber than you sound in your posts.
hmmm...If it is not true why is he sooo mad. AND what does being a mother have to do with playing football or writing about it. Gundy was mad that he is having a bad year and the article was the last straw. If it wasn't true then just call it trash...move on and talk about the game YOU ACTUALLY DID WIN.
I don't know, if J Carlson wrote an article just to create interest using supposition, inuendo and wishes-then she has accomplished what every writter of every newspaper in America is currently doing right now about the war on terror-and that is to tell a story-using fact and fiction-instead of just reporting the story and allowing the reading public to decide for them selves-what a novel idea-then she has committed a wrong and should be held accountable for it. If as was shown on the teevee that Coach Gundy acted out and over reacted to a fictional article then he should be called on the carpet for his wrong doings. But who the heck cares anyway-people are dying on the streets of our state due to drunk/drugged drivers and nothing is being bandied about in the news-judges are allowing guilty people to go free, the gas companies are rolling in dough form overcharging, and here we are worring about what a sports writter says in a column and the reaction of his coach-everything seems normal to me=huh.
Its a column people..you can write what you want. I feel she did no wrong and people just need to get over it. Whats done is done, if Gundy is so mad about it make your players play better or get out. Ooh! isn't he gonna be gone anyways!
Could you see Stoops doing something like that? No, because he has something called class. Maybe Stoops (and every other coach in football) doesn't rant and rave about how his players are treated because he lets them be big boys. Congratulations Mike Gundy on winning "Psycho of the Year."
I loved the statement a few posts below, "when is the last time you suited up?" I'm sure Jim in Rockwell is an everyday player for the Kansas City Chiefs and chooses to live in the beautiful football Mecca of Rockwell which I guess makes him an expert. Or what about the quote in reference to Jenni "When was the last time she suited up? Never, When was the last time she steppedon[sic] the field? Never She shouldn't even be covering football. She's clueless." Nice one Chuck in Midwest City. I bet you're still trying to get back to 1982 so you can "take state." Saying that it's necessary to have participated in order to cover a topic would make all journalism disappear. How many past presidents are joining CNN to cover the White House? In fact, some of the worst reporters are people who have played. Logic must not be a strong point for you guys.
This is a wonderful example of a coach standing up for his kids, and the bounce this will have for the future will be significant. However, it's a shame for a sports writer to have splashed a story that isn't even factual on page one of the sports section for all the world to see on game day. Another slam at OSU by the severely slanted for ou Oklahoman. I've cancelled my subscription to the paper and only wish that the Tulsa World delivered to central Oklahoma, they'd have a bounce from this also. Ms. Carlson, if you can't find facts to write about, don't try to create the news, you aren't any good at it, and in fact, you should be fired over this.
As an ex college athlete, I would have loved to have had a coach stand up for his players the way Gundy did. I have the upmost respect for Gundy and what he stands for. I would have to believe that the people that do not agree with what Gundy did, never had to deal with any of the difficulties that student-athletes must deal with. Being an athlete in college is more demanding than anything I've ever done. Taking an average of 15 hrs a semester on top of a practice and workouts consumes about 60-70 a week. I know the majority of media "stories" are not always factual, but they do not go unnoticed by the players. It was a ridiculous article, I agree, but it should not have been published in the first place. I agree with Gundy, and Stoops for that matter, on the way they feel about the media. And I hope that more coaches will take notice and protect their players and students the way they do.
Thank you Marc L. You're response has been unbiased and straight to the issue. We need to quit making this an OU/ OSU issue, its not. It's a matter of right and wrong between Gundy and Carlson and the way the media tends to get away with more than deserved. Here we have a coach that called out a journalist's mistake. He said some things that he probably shouldn't have, i think we can all agree on that. Did Carlson not do the same? I just think its rediculous to turn this issue into a Bedlam match.
Why is this an OU/OSU issue? What part of this hangs on OU's shoulders - does Jenni work for Pre. Boren? This is between the media and Gundy. I am not even real sure it has a whole lot to do with Reid.
What makes this article any different than the several other hundreds that are written about players that have good and bad behavior. Are we saying if you do something wrong at age 20 to 22 that you deserve to have your name smeared? If Reid is a kid so are the student/athletes that make bad choices and they deserve the same knid of protection that you are asking for Reid? It is a tough world but if Reid is made up of what you say he is, he will bounce back and probably be stronger for it. And as for Jenni what comes around goes around. I am sure we will be seeing a farewell article before too long. And not anytime too soon!
I was glad to see Coach Gundy take up for his player. Bobby Reid's not a kid anymore but he also doesn't have the statewide platform to respond to the article like his coach does. Sure, Gundy's venting was over the top, but as a Cowboy fan, it was good to see him have some fire in his belly over something for once. You Sooner fans shouldn't write him off so soon. Just go back to doing something important, like fixng the flat tire on your house.
i admire coach gundy for his fortitude. he has cut players from the team because of misconduct because he thought conduct on and off the field were more important than winning
(wouldn't that make a better story?). for him to take up for a young man trying to find his way in this difficult situation speaks well for gundy's character. i've had enough of the smart-aleck sports reporters who know little about life in a public sports arena
I think what Gundy did was great he finally did something right. If Reid's Mother gave him a bottle after the game that has nothing with the way he plays on the field. And if Jenni was looking at it right that night Reid's mother was eating his chicken not feeding it to him but everone is so quick to judge. When Reid was on the football field playing and doing what everybody wanted all you heard was good things about him now that he's not playing all you read is bad things about him. I think some people just need to mind their on business, and let them play ball.
I think OSU’s next recruiting class will get a bounce out of all this. A lot of high school ball players will see that interview, and say to themselves, Gundy is a coach that backs his players unequivocally. That’s the kind of guy I want to play for.
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Oh, and Jenni Carlson is an idiot.
If you are a Cowboys' fan like myself, this is really bad. Gundy could have taken the "high road" and deferred any questions on his Saturday rant. No, couldn't do that. After candid reflection, still had to make a media spectacle out of himself. Gundy is now in the unenviable position of being a "main target" for media criticism. (And has taken the Cowboys' program with him. I guess the media dept.'s 'world's greatest offense' moniker wasn't enough.) And with any little slipup, it will come down hard. Have to believe Holder is looking for a new head football coach. From these inexplicable events,I believe the decision has already been made. (And Gundy knows it.) Barring an incredible finish to this season, Gundy is on his way out in December.
Being an OU grad I complement Coach Gundy and feel that the reporter got what was coming. Many times reporters take liberties and don't get called out for it when they make mistakes...thats because they own the mechanism that would communicate the issue and keep it hidden to cover themselves. Ocassionally though they get caught like this one did and it turns out to be a painful thing for all involved. Dan Rather did a similar thing and it lead to a public humilitation to him just like it is to this young lady.
Barry Trammels response is just as stupid as I truely believe that any player or recruit at and for OSU will now gladly play for Gundy and they will know for sure that he has their back. Try all you want to candy coat this one DOK but it won't work as we all see through your smoke screen!!!!
I applaud any coach for standing up for his players! It is time that coaches stand up for their players and stop the media from the bashing and belittling that continually goes on. For too long, media personnel have forgotten these are kids going to school for an education and their names get smeared because they do things that show they are human. Where is the coverage for the hospital visits these athletes make? What about all the hours they volunteer each semester? It is too easy to name call and belittle rather than look for the good in people and I applaud any coach who will stand up to a media person and call them down for such an unethical stunt. It takes a man of integrity to do what Coach Gundy did...and to have the passion to stand tall for those whom he believes in.....I applaud his actions and to his team I say "GO POKES!!!!
Who cares if OSU goes to war with the Gaylords? The news they report is so biased it is not even funny! It is not like the Oklahoman is The Washington Post or even The Dallas Morning News. No wonder she writes for such a small dinky paper she can't get a gig at a real newspaper. GO GUNDY!
I just heard it for the first time. Coach Gundy was WAY, WAY, WAY out of line. The screaming? Completely unprofessional. And, if you must choose that forum, make your point as firm as you need to and MOVE ON. To rant and rant like he did made him look like a kid having a temper tantrum. Should've been handled differently. The "kid" is 21 years old. He is a man, not a kid.
In my humble opinion, Gundy went too far but so did Jenni. There's nothing wrong with defending your players, but not in that manner. Gaylord owns Oklahoma; I don't think Coach Gundy wants to go to war with the press. He needs to fix his team. The defensive unit is pathetic at best. Stop worrying about what the media thinks and repair a severely injured football team. I'm not convinced Gundy is what OSU needs to take it to the next level. I hate to think what Texas and OU are going to do to the Pokes. Wow!
the bright side to this whole situation is that none of this will matter when gundy is fired due to his lousy coaching abilities. the sooner the better!
Lets not get into a John Blake "Its not about winning, Its all about the Kids" Coach Gundy was hired to win Football games. So fair he is not getting the job done. Coach Gundy refocus on why you were hired, to win football games and fill the BPS with fans.
I thought his rant was as silly as her column. It's one thing to defend your players but Carlson is an easy target. He can scream and rant at her in the media room knowing she isn't going to say or do anything. When he says I wish I had gone further I wonder what that means...punched her lights out? That would be manly. And what does he mean, " I had to stand up for a player who couldn't stand up for himself"? Why is Reid so defenseless? I didn't know college football players were so helpless. That shrinking violet, Brian Bosworth comes to mind. I remember the terrible things some columnists said about that poor child when he was in college. I mean after all Bosworth was somebody's child too, wasn't he? So is Jenni Carlson. If I were her Dad (and I'm not) I'd have a few choice words for coach Gundy as well. Let's stick to football instead of trying to refocus the anger of your own fans on someone other than yourself.
Cliff, were you living under a rock around that time? I thought so. Thanks for driving home my point: when an Aggie does it, it's "player protection." When a Sooner does it, it's "whining." Hypocrite.
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WHERE OH WHERE DID DOUGLAS FROM MERIDIANS POSTS GO OH HERE IS ONE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. THE INTERNET IS SO WONDERFUL AS THIS WAS JUST E-MAILED A FEW MINUTES AGO. HAVE A GOOD DAY. NEWSOK where oh where are my previous posts. Don't worry I saved them for you. QUIT ERASING THEM AND ACCEPT YOUR FATE!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU AGREE READERS MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. Sorry for the inconvenience some of you are receiving this a second time. I mean who knew that yahoo would only let you send an e-mail to a limited number of people. To whom it may concern at NEWSOK.com, The Oklahoman, OPUBCO, NEWS 9: First, it saddens me as an Oklahoman that these news organizations listed above have taken the low road over these past few days concerning the Mike Gundy post game press conference. Admittedly I am very upset and have even at times almost sunk(not really that close) as low as your News Organizations have these past few days in vain hoping that the public sentiment would finally be heard. It has become painfully obvious that none of you care that Jenni Carlson personally attacked a young man (kid as Gundy referred to him). Mike Gundy, Jenni Carlson, and yes even Bobby Reid are not above scrutiny just as all of us are not above scrutiny. However, that being said what was done by Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family was a very personal and malicious attack against this young man. I have been critical of Bobby Reid’s and Mike Gundy’s performance in the past but I never and would never attack them personally to make myself feel better. There is a difference between criticizing a person’s performance and attacking them personally. The line was obviously crossed in this instance and this story, column, article; whatever you want to call it should have never been printed in the Oklahoman or posted on NEWSOK.com. It is trash that has caused an irreversible chain of events that has caused lots of damage to a lot of organizations and people. When simply if it had been edited properly and well thought out the subsequent and ongoing chain of events would not have ever happened. To name a few ESPN, FOX, MSN, CNN, Yahoo, You tube and many other media sources. Of course most of the reporters and news agencies have taken up sides with the OPUBCO family and supporters. No real shock there. However, none of you are listening to the majority of the American people who have clearly stated that what Jenni Carlson and the Oklahoman did was wrong and without their wrong the ensuring events would not have happened. Ed Kelley decided to take a very cheap shot at the people of this Great Nation, the Great State of Oklahoma and those of us who genuinely care about Oklahoma State University in saying that we have misplaced priorities and should be focusing our attention more on the education and Presidential status at Oklahoma State University . While I appreciate his report (somewhat) it was very distasteful distributing it at this time to try and take heat off of Jenni Carlson and the OPUBCO family for a very obvious mistake that they made. I have trust in Oklahoma State University and the people within it and outside of it within the State Government of Oklahoma to do their jobs to make sure that not only Oklahoma State University officials are doing their jobs but also for the University of Oklahoma and any other publicly funded schools, colleges, and University officials are also doing their jobs. If they are not then no doubt those of you within the media circle will be right there to make sure they do. I am sorry I may have missed it in his report but was the State of Oklahoma demanding that OSU find a new president and they have ignored those requests repeatedly? I didn’t think so. This was an obvious attempt by him and the OPUBCO family and supporters such as NEWS 9 and Griffin communications to somehow turn this football story into something so much more. SHAME ON YOU. I can assure you that my priorities are not misplaced as I set here in the middle of war in Iraq , serving as part of the greatest Nation and Navy in the World. It is people like me and the ones that I serve along side in all branches of the military that day after day put our lives on the line all around the world and we continue day in and day out to ensure that you, your families, friends, enemies and the organizations you serve can continue to have the rights that allow such mockery of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America. I am sure that our fore Fathers are not very proud of this display of unprofessional journalism. All who serve in the military are people just like you and we enjoy the same things as the next person. College Football, NFL, Golf, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, cards, polo, swimming, running, biking and so on. What I don’t enjoy is reading or watching such a debacle that has ensured from a post game press conference by Mike Gundy. Lastly, I am deeply concerned about how this out of control situation will continue to affect the Great the State of Oklahoma and the people who are a part of it. Although I no longer live and work there I continue to care and always will about the people, the communities, the farms, the businesses, the churches, the schools, the colleges, the Universities and so on. Because I am and always will be an Oklahoman no matter where I live and work. Yes, I am an Oklahoma State fan but this issue goes way deeper than allegiance to school lines and all of us would do well to remember that. Shortly I will make my last visit to the NEWSOK.com website and can assure you I will avoid your news organizations like the plague. 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aka - Soonerfied
Next time you are getting your *%$ chewed. Listen. Gundy told you the inaccuracies. Your story was in poor taste. Cricize a guy for eating food his mother brought him. That is lame. I saw the video the OK propaganda machine put out. Nice Moo Moo. Looks like somebody's been eating to much home cooking. At least Reid block's when he is not playing QB. When your not writing, it looks like you hit the fried chicken and Braums like a tiger hits a water buffalo. It makes me want to puke.
I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
(All State, played major college ball, had several pro offers, coached and majored in journalism). What are your credentials other than having a big mouth on the keyboard? Why bring up coach Stoops and make him a part of this issue? It has nothing to do with him? Of course, the only reason you do so is to show your true colors and your true ignorance. Perhaps Coach Gundy was over the top and perhaps the pressure is getting to him a little. Since you're a Sooner lover, why do you care? Answer--it's an opportunity for you to mouth off about how much class OU has. Let's see, didn't they just have some of their own dirty laundry hanging out for everyone to see? In fact, doesn't that happen pretty regularly? Give it a rest, amateur--you probably couldn't catch a football--or even a cold. You're right, Coach Stoops is a good guy and a great coach--classy, too. Why don't you follow his lead? By the way, we're not talking "logic" here, we're talking facts, and the fact is you don't know what you're talking about!
're not play OU/.
See, the Lady Reporter had the temerity to point out the OSU quarterback's infantile behavior in last week's devasting loss to a lesser team.
Gundy's response? Make sure everyone finds out the fact that the Lady Reporter doesn't have children of her own. You see, in his mind, a Lady Reporter covering a major Division I college football team is prohibited from criticizing an athlete receiving a state-funded scholarship. Why? Well, uh, hmm... any PARENT would understand!
Gundy describes his poor, helpless QB as if he's an eight year old boy who just found out there's no Santa Claus. C'mon, Mike, give us a break!
Implicit message? Why would a Lady want to write about football anyway, when she should be at home having babies?
Enough Said
I loved the statement a few posts below, "when is the last time you suited up?" I'm sure Jim in Rockwell is an everyday player for the Kansas City Chiefs and chooses to live in the beautiful football Mecca of Rockwell which I guess makes him an expert. Or what about the quote in reference to Jenni "When was the last time she suited up? Never, When was the last time she steppedon[sic] the field? Never She shouldn't even be covering football. She's clueless." Nice one Chuck in Midwest City. I bet you're still trying to get back to 1982 so you can "take state." Saying that it's necessary to have participated in order to cover a topic would make all journalism disappear. How many past presidents are joining CNN to cover the White House? In fact, some of the worst reporters are people who have played. Logic must not be a strong point for you guys.
What makes this article any different than the several other hundreds that are written about players that have good and bad behavior. Are we saying if you do something wrong at age 20 to 22 that you deserve to have your name smeared? If Reid is a kid so are the student/athletes that make bad choices and they deserve the same knid of protection that you are asking for Reid? It is a tough world but if Reid is made up of what you say he is, he will bounce back and probably be stronger for it. And as for Jenni what comes around goes around. I am sure we will be seeing a farewell article before too long. And not anytime too soon!
(wouldn't that make a better story?). for him to take up for a young man trying to find his way in this difficult situation speaks well for gundy's character. i've had enough of the smart-aleck sports reporters who know little about life in a public sports arena
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Oh, and Jenni Carlson is an idiot.
Barry Trammels response is just as stupid as I truely believe that any player or recruit at and for OSU will now gladly play for Gundy and they will know for sure that he has their back. Try all you want to candy coat this one DOK but it won't work as we all see through your smoke screen!!!!