Immigration enforcement faces setback

By Devona Walker
Published: October 2, 2007

The Social Security Administration's plans to send out thousands of "no-match” letters were delayed again Monday, vexing foes of illegal immigration and causing mass confusion among business owners.

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Thousands of "no-match” letters were intended to go out, beginning Sept. 14, to thousands of U.S. employers with workers whose names do not match their Social Security numbers. The letters would come with a U.S. Department of Homeland Security insert that stipulates it is unlawful to hire illegal immigrants and give the employer 90 days to terminate the worker.

On Monday, a U.S. District Court judge in San Francisco took under advisement several issues in the complaint against the Department of Homeland Security, and has delayed passing judgment. This effectively extends the existing restraining order, which has blocked the government from sending out the letters.

‘A powerful alliance'
Some say recent judicial challenges of piecemeal immigration enforcement — both from departments within the government and various states — illustrate that everything still hinges of comprehensive reform.

"It's an unlikely but powerful alliance. The ethnic advocacy groups provide the racial politics to make sure everything gets polarized. The business groups provide the money and the political muscle. Together, they will make sure the laws are never enforced,” said Steve Camarata of the Center for Immigration Studies, outspoken foes of illegal immigration.

Statewide attempts at immigration enforcement face the same judicial challenges.

"It will be the same thing, with the court system we have in this country, and the fact that most judges are sympathetic to illegal immigrants, you are going to constantly run into the same problem,” Camarata said.

This rule was challenged by a coalition headed by the AFL-CIO and the National Immigration Law. Within a week, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and numerous trade groups joined the ranks. Among the trade groups mentioned in the complaint are the United Fresh Produce Association, the National Roofing Contractors Association and the Association of Nursery and Landscapers.

"It doesn't mean we are never going to be able to enforce immigration laws. It is just going to take some time,” Camarata said. "This is a long process, and this is just one part of that process.”

What's the local response?
While the government faces legal challenges in San Francisco, Oklahoma might face legal challenges of its own in a Tulsa federal court.

A group of Hispanic clergymen have vowed to sue the state over House Bill 1804, an immigration enforcement act.

Businesses are caught in the middle of changing rules, increased scrutiny and the apprehension of widescale labor shortages.

Some say "no-match” letters and HB 1804 threaten their livelihood. Others say it might level the playing field. But everyone admits to not really knowing what the government expects of them:

‘I have been trying for

years to find legal people

to do the work'

"It will put me out of business,” said Chris Roberts, owner of Creative Landscapes Inc. "I have been trying for years to find legal people to do the work. They are just not there.”

Roberts has raised his wages numerous times over the years, to their current rate of $15 per hour for general laborers.

Still, he continues to experience vacancies.

In Oklahoma, landscaping can be arduous, outdoor work, and willingness to do it dips during the brutal winter months and at the peak of summer temperatures.

"If we are pressured to let our people go, we will either have to go out of business, raise our prices or find legal people to do the work. As I said before, no one is interested in my type of labor,” Roberts said.

‘They are reliable,

and they are dependable'

At Quality Construction Co., there about 32 full-time employees. It's been around for about 20 years. But even there, the owners were a little confused about all the changes afoot.

"I think they are increasing the fines or something,” said Mark Ketelsleger, part owner of Quality Construction Co.

The only way he feels he can protect his company is by closely scrutinizing all new hires.

For Ketelsleger, however, the attraction of Hispanic workers is not a need for cheap labor, but productive and reliable ones.

"The Hispanics have a great work ethic. They are reliable, and they are dependable,” Ketelsleger said. "There is no cost-savings benefit to hiring Hispanic workers; it's all about their productivity.”

It is also about availability.

"Americans are starting to move away from the more difficult labor. That's partially due to immigration, but it's also partially due to education,” Ketelsleger said.

‘I see a lot of

companies struggling

because of the illegal

immigrants'

Not all employers are singing the praises of Hispanic labor.

"If they can apply for a green card and do it legally, then more power to them,” said Larry Self, of Larry's Decorative Concrete. "Until then, they don't belong here.

"They are getting worked over from both sides. And that all goes back to the fact that they shouldn't be here,” he added.

Larry's Decorative Concrete employs no Hispanics — illegal or legal.

But Self says he competes with companies that do hire illegal immigrants and that are consequently able to undercut his rates.

As the price of fuel surges, the landscaping sector has suffered. There is a low ceiling when it comes to how much someone will pay for those services before they start cutting their own yards, he said.

"I see a lot of companies struggling because of the illegal immigrants,” Self said. "They can't compete.”

SBA opposes letters
Recently, those seeking to stop the "no-match” letters from going out found a governmental ally in the U.S. Small Business Administration. In a recent letter to the Department of Homeland Security, the administration says the agency violated the Regulatory Flexibility Act by failing to analyze the "no-match” rule's impact on small businesses.

Business groups contend the rule would cost small businesses at least $100 million a year to implement.

For Camarata, the recent judicial wranglings illustrate why amnesty and enforcement can't occur simultaneously.

"This is exactly why enforcement must happen first,” Camarata said.

Enforcement would be challenged as amnesty goes through, he said.

"In the end, we would be right back where we started, with no enforcement and millions of illegal immigrants,” Camarata said.


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It's easy for people to say that illegals should go back to their country, which many will and many won't after this new law goes into affect, but many will stay to clean your homes, do construction, work in landscping, wash cars, be cooks etc. etc. etc. jobs that people don't think are good jobs, jobs homeless people don't take and instead hold up signs saying "need food" or "Hungry" in California you see hispanics holding signs saying "I'm available to work not will you "give me money". I pay for those homeless people and they don't look hispanic to me! Illegal immigrants don't get food stamps or welfare for those who don't know, and if their children were born here they have that right to get medical assistance, I know people who aren't hispanic and have medicaid and they don't need it!, and I pay for it. That is wrong, because if your legal you should get your Lazy Butt up and work!!! I pay to live in this country, do you know how hard it is to become a resident or citizen? NO! You dont! because you don't have to pay to be able to work and live here I do!, and as far as taxes illegal immigrants get taxed on their checks and that money goes to the goverment. It may seem like a great idea to stop all of the good work that gets done by "people who are breaking the law" but in the end it's going to affect all of us. If anything should be done it's an amnesty, thats the only way people will become Legal but the same people who say get your green card are the ones saying no to an amnesty. You either need to Help make a change or keep your opinion to yourself.
Maria, Oklahoma City - Oct 3, 2007 9:47 PM
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It doesn't matter if they are lazy, or hard working. They are not United State Citizens, and do not have the same rights as someone who is. If all the people here from other countries that claim they are not being treated fairly returned to their home countries, do we really think their goverments would hear them and adjust the laws. No...but they do it here, and the United States has been too tolerant of illegal aliens within our borders for way too long.
lisa, bennington - Oct 3, 2007 6:50 PM
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Our American Society must have accountability. It's time for the will of the people to enforced by the government and the courts. Judges nmust remember, they are not law makers !
James, Del City - Oct 3, 2007 12:54 AM
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To Steve in Stillwater, I agree with you they have broken the law. If we want to debate the immigration issue on that basis than that is fine. My beef is with folks who push the issue based on stereotypes thal all illegals are lazy folks who don't work or are criminals.
David, Norman - Oct 2, 2007 11:48 PM
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I have read all comments in this discussion, now I would like to reply. If any of you actually knew what it takes to get a "GREEN CARD" to enter our wonderful country, you might have second thoughts. I know a lot of legal and illegal immigrants. I have been married to my husband for almost thirty years, who was an illegal immigrant when I met him. He was able to obtain his "Green Card" and after five years he applied for his citizenship. He filed for his siblings to be able to immigrate to the United States in 1985. One was finally able to immigrate in 1997, the other in 1998. His cousin applied for a two week visitor's VISA and was denied because the Border Patrol didn't think he made enough money. If you had any idea of how much time and red tape is involved in becoming legal, you might have different thoughts. I guess we natural born citizens are very fortunate to have ancestors that made that first application to enter our country legally. Just think!!! If all the illegals are sent back to their countries, no one will be getting a Social Security Check. When all the people who qualified for the Amnesty in 1986 got old enough to draw their Social Security Checks, that is when Social Security started going broke. Think about it.
Joyce, Elmore City - Oct 2, 2007 9:59 PM
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May lady justice come down hard on the business owners who allow illegal persons to work in their business'. I'm sick and tired of having to pay more taxes each year to cover the cost of the state and fedearl illegal issues. It's as easy as 1,2,3 stop wasting time hunting the illegals and start hitting the busness man in the NUTS. I am tired of seeing illegal person using food stamps, allowed to buy homes and get getting medical care. Here's what SUCKS..I can't afford a nice house and I can't afford to see a doctor and I have to buy the cheapest foods in the market.....HEPL "US" THE HARD WORKING AMERICAN.
Dave, Midwest City - Oct 2, 2007 9:41 PM
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David from Norman: You are very correct in saying that most of the illegals are hard working. But they are all law-breakers by coming here illegally.
Steve, OK - Oct 2, 2007 4:46 PM
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How hard is it to become legal? Learn English, recite the Pledge of Allegiance, swear in. HOW HARD IS IT?? Yet, they refuse to do so. Get a green card, get to work. Don't, then go home. It's not rocket science.
Christina, oklahoma city - Oct 2, 2007 4:40 PM
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Why is it when we get close to upholding our current law on immigration someone goes to court to stop us? I don't see why any judge would think he can rule against anything already on the law books. I say lets be done with it. Get on with making illigal aliens obey our laws and send them back to their countries. I must obey our laws and I am a citizen of this wonderful United States. My husband has laid his life on the line to protect our legal citizens...not the illigals. Be done with it....send them all to their home country. Ruth Doss
Ruth, Tulsa - Oct 2, 2007 1:16 PM
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We could always boycott the users of the illegals. Money talks that way too.
Sherry, Reydon - Oct 2, 2007 12:31 PM
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I be they used the same words about good slaves in the antebellum south Miguel ;o)
mister, bogata - Oct 2, 2007 12:05 PM
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reliable, dependable, and productive.
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Oct 2, 2007 11:04 AM
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What I don't get is why an employer would ignore a letter stating that an SSN isn't valid. If my employer somehow has my SSN wrong and ignores a letter telling him so, I would be very upset at the end of the year to find my taxes hadn't been paid properly. The employer has the responsibility to follow up on those letters and get the SSN correct, or fire/report the person who is using a false one. It's the law.
Teresa, oklahoma city - Oct 2, 2007 9:48 AM
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Hmmmm....Are we ready now to have a voice load enough to be heard by our Government? We as a nation have sat back and let our government do as they please. I do not believe this is what our forefathers invisioned when they created our government. It seems we are being dictated to by special interest groups and corporations! Its sad that we as a nation let the minority voice dictate to the majority. And I am NOT referring to minorities here folks. What happened to assimmulating to the culture you adopt. Since when does it become necessary to accommodate all.
Mikki, Oklahoma City - Oct 2, 2007 9:39 AM
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If we complaint about illegal aliens then we're racist,yet La Raza can complain about other Americans that want to deport illegal aliens and call them racist and that's ok.Illegal aliens sent 25 billion dollars a year back to Mexico,but then hold out their hand for public assistance. It costs the American tax payer around 50 billion dollars a year to pay for their Free medical care,Rent assistance,Food stamps,Translators for their children in our public schools and Free lunches. American cities along the border provide free emergency medical care for Mexican citizens, and what do the pregnant Mexican women do in return? They come across the border to have their babies ( American Citizens).How about Elvira Arellano and her child,did anyone notice that Arellano had been deported before and return to the U.S.with a stolen Social Security number,she also had been in our country for 10 years,but had to have a translator at her new conference! Earlier this year illegal aliens demonstrated in the streets of our America demanding amnesty by flying the American flag upside down below the Mexican flag and carrying signs saying "this land is ours Gringo" I would ask the supporters of illegal aliens what do you tell the millions of immigrants that are waiting the legal way in other countries to come here? Just because we share a common border that they can wade across, does not give them the automatic right to American Citizenship after they commit an illegal act to get here, Its worth more than that!
Dave, Blue Rapids - Oct 2, 2007 9:17 AM
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Did anybody notice the comments from these employers about their "illegals"? I think they said something about being dependable and hard working. To hear it from the anti-immigration crowd they are all lazy welfare cheats and criminals! Yet, these folks seem to be the ones who don't mind the jobs where you really have to sweat and get your hands dirty. When I have had crews work in my yard and gardens the Hispanic workers are the ones who don't mind actually getting on their knees and pulling up weeds with their hands in the hot sun. When I have had anglo crews they're usually not as enthusiastic about doing that or want more money. When are we stop stereotyping these folks as lazy?? Most are hard working and obey the laws despite what the crazies on AM radio will try and make you believe.
David, Norman - Oct 2, 2007 8:51 AM
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Prisons are already full with DUIs and drug offenders. How would you propose paying for it, even if it was a good solution? GOP keeps cutting state taxes and revenue. If wages go up, as you say, so goes inflation and the cost of goods for everybody else. Illegals don't drain that much off society, and they contribute taxes and FICA from which they'll never benefit. You're going in the wrong direction.
Walter, Edmond - Oct 2, 2007 8:05 AM
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As I have said before we need to establish CCC/WPA type wotk camps anf for first offense illegal mmigration give the offenders 6 months doing work rebuilding roads, parks and other infrastructure, then deport them. If caught again a second offense would mean a mandatory 5 years at the same work. FIRST offense for ANYONE from a Walmart manager to a food plant executive to a landscape contractor caught EMPLOYING illegal aliens would mean the MANADATORY five years. Anyone entering illegally a thrid time would get a mandatory 10 years. Same for the employers on second offense . That way we could make imprisoning these people pay. And we could easily pay for it thru the rise in wages and lack of having to fund all the social services these illegals drain off society. the alternative is a decreasing downward spiral of wages and social services for those of us here legally. Think about it ...
mister, bogata - Oct 2, 2007 7:55 AM
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It always amazes me that the primary anti-immigration people are Republicans. These people say "send them to prison!" Yet, prisons in Oklahoma and across the country are FULL and these same people REFUSE to raise the revenue required to actually put these illegal immigrants in prison. It's a huge double standard and is just founded in ignorance.
Cindy, Mountain View - Oct 2, 2007 7:12 AM
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So many traitors in so many places, its amazing what happens when you get in peoples pockets isn't it ? Here we have small businesses and unions joining together. We need to remember these names and organizations when it comes time to spend our money and vote.I can't believe these people are actually on record as supporting breaking the laws of this country., the heck with fines , people need to start going to prison.
mister, bogata - Oct 2, 2007 6:16 AM
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