Where can I find the story? ............... You didn't just call me a name, did you?

I just spoke to Specialist Tommy Thresher from our local Army recruiting office. He looked up the regulations. Only US citizens and LEGAL PERMANENT residents, who read and write English fluently, can join our military. He mentioned they do require proof, also.

you must have missed the story of the man who was illigal and had 3 out of his 4 kids serving in IRAQ! do YOU> I think not,,they almost deported him , you sick witch! guess what they looked retarded and had to try to get him a green card,,I support blacks who wont serve and will keep thier money from racist whites, who dont appreciate us and dont have fair laws,, I will also keep consumption down, to punish!

Keith, I do believe that only citizens may serve in our Armed Forces. There IS an issue of loyalty otherwise.

again you are ill informed, caucasian is an outdated classification, it refers to people from regions or originating from regions, from europe to india, and range in hair , eye and skin color, from white to dark brown! either way that means most caucasians are brown, not white! Science has thus concluded that those terms are outdated. race is not scientific,it socially constructed , meaning made up, fiction and such,you can be racist towards others if you believe in the concept of race,and dont realize that thier is one race. Most Americans dont get that.jan you do make good points, mexican vets were discriminated against by law in this country, we dont have a good history of how we treat all people, so forgive me if i dont trust our methods , are our beliefs. ok

And before you call me on it I should say, Caucasian, Asian and Negro (not politically correct but I would hate to be called on not attributing the proper terminology to the races). The race is defined by genetic markers and physical characteristics which do not include skin tone. Skin tone is not agreed upon to be a racial feature although most blacks do have black skin there are some that are lilly white and there are some Caucasians that are darker than some black people that I know. There are also certain diseases which cause people to lose pigment in their skin like vitiligo and albinoism and those can be seen in many races, cultures and ethnicities. That is why skin tone is no longer used to 100% identify varying races. Mexicans are Caucasians so how can I be racially inflammatory against a piece of my race? It is about right and wrong and the right way is the ONLY way to maintain any kind of civil obedience and order.

None of this is about race Keith, last time I checked, Middle Eastern nor Hispanic were a race. Black, White, Asian and that's about it. There are cultures, there are ethnicities and that's about it. So, if you know so much please stop telling us that we're racist. We aren't racist, but we are realistic and the country cannot continue to support the illegal aliens and their "families".

allision did u support the iraq war as most amerians did? I did not ,I was correct, and on this issue most ameiricans are again wrong,sadly it will cost us again,whos gonna fight the fake wars? lots of illigals in iraq right now, good enuff to fight for ya but not to have citizenship? wierd stuff

allison, that is not reality, noncitizens serve in the military, so your opinion is obsolete.

The truth hurts, race card is a real reason to why you feel the way you do. Not loving others as you love yourselves is also. I have great reasons to why we should enforce our laws , I am not for open borders. I just do not agree with how the issues is conflated and how we are going about it. The simple fact is that if you are married to an american , or have an american relative , or were born here you are an American. The only thing that makes Us ALL Americans is that we were born here. Also if you serve in military and or have family members serving , you should be automatically made an American. JUst look at history, blacks were not allowed to vote! why cause of the race card, was it right ,NO! America will again figure it out, I just wish we did not have to get a black eye, doing things in an unjust unfair and hypocritical uneven way. IF you want the solutions to the problem , let someone with no denial write the laws. The Bile and what jesus taught instruct me and I dont think its right to punish Americans and children ,by sending their families back to Mexico , in many cases they dont speak spanish and or cant survive or wont have the life they can here. Stop further immigration by all means , but to take away Americans rights is just like saying that only whites have rights, as it has been for too long in America. I know to much, you cant fool me. There are good reasons to limit lots of activities in America, but you dont do it by destroying the true intent of America. WE have overcame a lot in this country and eventally we will get it fixed, with good leadership. unfortunatly we keep electing rednecks.

Keith, families don't have to be broken up. Any responsible and loving parent would take their children wherever they were going to live.

as always,the race card,the bible or insults.if you dont have a good reason that covers all sides of the debate of why its ok to break the law then let it go.

rhetoric, typo,lol

mark, you are amuzing. your words ring hollow , your rethoric is empty and your logic nonexistent.And Frankly you make me laugh. Again Scapegoating wont solve our problems, isnt that what we are trying to do? Makes a rational person like myself question your motives, I think its bigotry 101, no more no less. Oklahoma is only going to hurt herself, remeber Oklahoma was set aside for native americans, so if you think about it , the law was broken and written in a bad spirit.You can enforce the law , without breaking up families , like our ansestors did to Indians, jews, slaves, and now mexican, tearing children from thier families, satan would be proud of us.so sick, I pray jesus sends all of you straight to hell, were you belong, and trust me he will!

Quote: "This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."

-- Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

1. The Federal Immigration Reform Act of 1986 made employing undocumented workers illegal, but the federal government regularly underfunded enforcement. So US citizens willing to break the law by hiring undocumented workers profited from illegal activities.
2. The undocumented people hired by the US citizens also broke the law.
3. Why does this law only choose to punish those assisting one group of "law breakers"?
4. Those who are afraid the country may change seem to prefer focusing on half of the people who broke the law, but fail to hold the other half accountable.
5. The fears written in the paragraphs below mirror things written about any group of aliens that has ever entered the country: as a group they are more criminal than the rest of the country; they spawn and encourage illegal activity; their cultural difference is disturbing; the only way to manage them is to assure swift and severe consequences for unpermitted acts. These ideas are no more true for the current group than they were for the Germans, Italians, Irish, and other groups previously targeted.
6. Unless an author can cite a reliable source for the reported numbers, the numbers reported are merely opinions, not facts.
7. A meaningful lesson from the Bible charges Christians with the responsibility to stand up for the poor, the widowed, the orphaned, and the alien.
8. Civil disobedience has a long, honored history in our country - people who have stood up for their beliefs and were willing to go to jail for them have gained our national respect: Thoreau, Parks and King, to name a few.
9. Human beings have the ability to rationalize any behavior - and the ultimate evil results when we choose to look at evil and call it good.
10. Christ taught us to discern the value of the tree by looking at its fruit. The fruit of this law is: divided families; increased social intolerance; criminalization of compassion - punishing those who see a "human being" where others choose only to see a "criminal."
11. The magnificence of the first amendment is that anyone can say what they believe and still be an American - the framers of the Constitution believed unrestricted political dialog insured the nation's well-being.
12. Our nation learned during the Viet Nam War that our soldiers were hurt by the dishonor heaped on them by protesters who did not differentiate between the war they hated and the soldiers fighting in the war.
13. Although we learned that lesson, and all sides now make efforts to recognize the soldiers are patriots serving their country, some have reinterpreted the lesson to require nothing short of total agreement with their own "patriotic" ideal - but that is not an American ideal - that is an ideal of a dictatorship, a totalitarian regime, or fascist state.
14. To live up to our national heritage, we must value and respect each other's opinions.
15. Those of us who are Christian must also value and respect the teachings of our leader.
16. When the two conflict, the most patriotic thing to do is to point that out - by civil disobedience, if necessary.
17. The willingness to risk jail for important truths represents part of what made this nation great.
18. Failure to respect each other, unwillingness to enter into social dialog, choosing to resort to name calling, and refusal to try to see the other's side, all reflect the unpatriotic actions tearing this nation apart.
19. We can continue to protect the heritage we were given, or we can choose to let is slip away by belittling those who don't agree with us.
20. Ultimately, THAT fundamental choice decides the national legacy our children and grandchildren will receive.

Hart-Celler Act hearings 1965 Quote: Senate immigration subcommittee chairman Edward Kennedy (D-MA.) reassured his colleagues and the nation with the following: "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." Sen. Kennedy concluded by saying, "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)

Wow, the Internet and a computer in the hands of some people is a very dangerous thing. Oh and nice thoughtful post Dave but I would think that the illegals entering is higher than 500k.

Years ago everyone wanted population control in the US.Now we allow in around 2,000,000 legal immigrants a year plus their extended families,(Mother,Father,Sister,Brother and their children.)That adds millions more.Then you have the 12,000,000 illegal Aliens that Congress wants to give Amnesty to.If that's granted,then you have their extended families,which will add millions more.Then you have the 500,000 that still cross our southern border illegally each year.The US current population is 300,000,000,not to long ago we exported our surplus food,now we import half.Some studies show the US population at 450,000,000 by the year 2050.Has anyone ask their Congressman and Senators what quality of life our Children and Grand Children will have? Social Security,in 1996 the Social Security Administration signed an agreement with Mexico that will give Social Security payments to the 12 million illegal aliens once they are granted amnesty, total cost over 50 billion dollars.This type information is at both the FAIR and the Heritage Foundation Web sites.Add the billions the American tax payer pays for illegal aliens free medical care,food stamps,rent assistance,translators at schools and we have a ticking time bomb.Amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens and endless immigration is not the answer.I encourage everyone to write their Congressman and Senators and ask them what the total cost to the American tax payer will be if they grant amnesty to 12 million illegal aliens,after all you and I and our children will foot the bill for their decision! "

Keith,what other laws do you feel it's OK to break,just because you don't agree with them?

keith....not verry bright at three a.m are you,do you even read what you write?no kidding there are black gangs, duh.but the point is you stand up for illegals and since it is known that the mexican 13 rapist and murders cross illegaly into our borders everyday and you aprove of them.i am starting to think maybe i was right.i bet you did march in may.dude you are an air head.every thing you write is pure bull cr@p.the truth is your brain is a wmd.dumba$$.your easy lol.

mark.. its called not all people are nice 101 dipshit~~!!

mark.. its called not all people are nice 101 dipshit~~!!

mark i bet you still believe that iraq had wmds, and that saddam attacked us on 911,your the type thats dumb as hell, not I.

mark you have to much stupidity to address at once, its amazing how dumb you are. there are black gangs and they are not illigal, so again you scapegoat as most do and at same time show your ignorance and bigotry, so all you words have zero credability , cause they have no facts or logic behind, those social issues. your the real traitor to the constitution ,the truth , logic , and realism, sadly enuff ,you are a typical ignorant bigot.again scapegoating makes things worse, what dont you get about that. nothing you said makes sense. I submit get a brain,please, mark have a nice day

mark i am not on your side and neither is God, take a hint, as if you are not a sinner. not all gangs are illigal,,boy you are real dumb. i mean real dumb, there are black gangs are the illigal,,mark repeat after me i mark am a retarded bigot,

keith..... its called not all illegals are nice 101 dude!

keith.......and as far as being on my side.....i dont really think you have to worrie your self about that since you made the statment you stand up for illegals.that means that you dont mind the mexican 13 gangs or any of the ones that will commit rape and or murder sneaking into our country.standing up for illegals you will have to include these as well since these are illegals that will cross with your blessing as well.that means harm to the U.S people and that is really called a trader.my side.........you are not.

keith,WOW...you are right, i am so sorry.i said you march instead of they march and your action instaed of there. got cought up.so sorry.and far as the name calling,your the man. it hurt deep.moment to recover........and why would i say a white with an suv were drug dealers unless i seen it. and if i did i would call it like it is.what i have seen is alot of hispanics driving big nice new suv's and trucks and what led me to beleive illegals is maybe the fact that they could not speak english and were all parents at the school needing interpiters. ya maybe i am wrong for asuming but you sorta gota put two and two together.we are having sorta of a problem here or this discussion would not be taking place.and as far as breaking up families why would you put your child in a situation like that.i am thinking if i am here illegaly i am not going to take a chance on putting my child in jepordy.No, illegals are not wanted by the people. just by big buisness and some small greedy jerks. if they were you would have way more people with your veiws.immoral and wrong?? just how many laws is it o.k to break to be here in the name of illegals? stealing I.D's,no driver license,no insurance.i watched an hispanic girl t-bone another girls car because she could not read the yeild on green.yep,no license and no insurance.the other girls first car she just bought with her saved money.if your on the same side why would you condone the huge influx of illegals coming trough the back door instead of the front were the can be reconized.thats why you go to the front door at someones house and knock.more than not when sombody tries to go through the back door its not for the right reasons.i am just saying AGAIN,come through the front door of america and i will bend over backwards to help if i can no matter what country your form........... jack a$$.couldnt let you have all the fun with name calling

mark, your comments ,show the bigotry. Just cause they are driving nice cars ,? wtf , you dont know how much they make ,how hard they work . have you ever heard the saying its not how much you make that makes you wealthy its what you SAVE! personal finace 101,dude this is why I say the things I do, I have a low tolerance for stupidity. nazis broke up families , these laws do the same, yes I said nazi like ,no exactly nazi, but in some ways similar. Tell me that you realize that many whites who have nice trucks are major drug dealers, please ,cause its also true!And dont adress me as if I am mexican or illigal,you arrogant prick! My spanish ancestors on my moms side, settled northern new mexico and colorado at 1600 thats 407 years as american blood, my anglo ie german side english side , has been over here way less time,! we brought columbus over here, cause he had no BOAT!ie captain of santa maria,I am just a person who believes in what the constitution and the bible stand for.Illigals are wanted , or else they would not be solicited , dipshit, they are just unwanted by jeoulous people and bigoted people, who support wars based on lies and policies that are consequential to Americans. I look at whole picture b efore judging other> I realize the realistic concerns, but the way we are going about it is immoral and wrong. I am sure you supported the trail of tears, no genocide there, so therefore your better than hitler , no,it was genocide, I can admit that my spanish and other imperialistic ancestors did the same, dont glorify history. and dont justify current evils with your minimizations of what is happening.scapegoating makes things worse,look at iraq, they did not attack us,bin ladden did,yet we scapegoated saddam ,and bam things are worse for us. make the same mistake domestically, wow, not wise! well hope you enjoy paying massive taxes, cause that is what your hate fear and lies will bring. sad, I am on your side, and my countries side, that is why I am a patriotic American~God bless us is we do good, God curse us when we do evil!PEACE JUSTICE MERCY

keith,your not making since.the law is nothing like nazi.the land is nothing like nazi.we are not invading mexico or rounding up hispanics and killing them.we may not like whats going on with bush and his war but that is no reason to sit back and let the country be invaded by mexico.you say they do the low paying jobs americans wont.but yet i see them driving verry nice suv's and trucks.can you work for minimum wage and afford these.i cant.i may not like whats going on outside our country but i dont like whats happenig in our country either.when i see hispanics waving there flag and telling the americans to leave the u.s i think we are having a problem.once a neighborhood is taken over by hispanics americans are not welcomed in there own country.how can you have tens of thousands march on the u.s country and think americans wont have a problem with it.you threten to march and walk out on jobs to teach us a lesson.your actions are well read.come trough the front door and be reconized do not break in the back door.bottom line illegal's are unwanted guest.

DAVe. so much for freedom of religion and freedom of conviction. that bill is nazi like, hateful and sick. Thats the problem ,since when did our great land become , nazi germany, and when did the flag turn into the nazi symobol? sad sad sad, sounds like the laws hitler passed to round up the jews,,so sad

DAVe. so much for freedom of religion and freedom of conviction. that bill is nazi like, hateful and sick. Thats the problem ,since when did our great land become , nazi germany, and when did the flag turn into the nazi symobol? sad sad sad, sounds like the laws hitler passed to round up the jews,,so sad

DAVe. so much for freedom of religion and freedom of conviction. that bill is nazi like, hateful and sick. Thats the problem ,since when did our great land become , nazi germany, and when did the flag turn into the nazi symobol? sad sad sad, sounds like the laws hitler passed to round up the jews,,so sad

The legal path is not really just ,fair or effective. Its set up to be slow , so that we can exploit these hard working people. In the same way corporations dont have to pay taxes when they outsourse. When we fight against exploitiations of others, we fight against it , when they come after us! Justifications for the wrongs America is doing, cause we continue to repeat it over and over again. We are seen as an occupying force by the people of Iraq, and people want to wave the what dont you understand about the word illigal, well what dont you ? Yes America does right , thanks to liberal ideologies, that uplift the masses and stand up for all. Im glad i stand up for illigals, I know they dont make the laws, and I know our social ills are not thier fault. When everyone admits it, we can solve the problem , reasonably, logically and with family values.

at some point in the future it will be inevitable to clear up this immigration issue with a path to citizenship. my "conservative" friends told me i was wrong way back in 2003-2004 for saying we were stupid for going into irag instead of Pakistan and Afghanisthan. society and the world has leaders and followers. thankfully in our democracy each is afforded an equal voice. the downside to that is that sometimes it takes longer to do what is logical and right (ending slavery, womens rights, crushing the genocide in europe in the 30's and 40's, civil rights, fighting the cold war, getting out of vietnam, getting out of iraq, etc.) i'll be patient. logic sometimes takes the long road, but will eventually prevail and justice and pragmatism will be done.

Keith,if I'm not mistaken Oklahoma just passed LB 1804?

Jesus crossed the rio grand, signs of the end times, peoples hearts will wax cold towards each other,and people will be lovers of lies, ie, iraq war and immigration issuses, I guess it should not suprise me ,Satan is alive and well in the heart of man, me for one will follow christ. May jesus remove the blinders that satan has put on you God mocking COnservatives of mans principles, and satans ways of greed war hate and fear. The End is Near, PEACE justic and mercy and love for others , amen,in Jesus name I pray is all i have to say AMEN,ill keep praying for our country ,so that one day we will turn from OUR EVIL WAYS , REPENT ie say sorry for genocides and racism and murder of others and thievery, and slavery and all the evils we do, and then God will heal our land,but it wont happen cause of people like rightwingers ,who think they are so good,when they support doctrines of devils, amen!

Cost of wars based on lies 12 billion per month, and you really thing illigals are the blame,lol..again look in your mirror, yes you are more to blame than them, illogical,scapegoating will never solve the problems of mankinds foolishness and lack of love for each other ,or at least the TRUTH! you keep selling and believing misinformation, you know not what you do, You are the ones destroying our country with the scapegoating! again look in the mirror!

I think I will stay in Oklahoma and give you conservatives hell.Seriously every county here went for Bush, doesnt that show how stupid you people are. You worry about taxes and now the debt is doubled, and you want to blame illigals,lol..blame your own stupidty. Bush plays you people like tools and fools , how sad. you live by hate and fear, and as you do make your standard of living fall. dollar is falling ,costs of everything is going thru roof, and many social ills cause by discrimination, and all you have is Scapegoating, no wonder empires fall,arrogant pricks!

Rich, it looks like your friend may not get to keep his license in Oregon much longer. Due to the overwhelming amount of fraud being perpetrated in the state by illegal immigrants their state government is looking into a way to eradicate the issues of illegal immigrants gaining access to things that they are not entitled to. This is due to pressure from the federal government because Oregon has become a breeding ground for all kinds of illegal immigrants due to their lax regulations concerning proof of identity and residence. Basically, an Asian immigrant could walk in speaking very little English, present forged papers that he is Joe Smith and as long as they weren't drawn with a crayon he will get a license as Joe Smith. So, although your friend may have a valid license he did obtain it illegally because if he is here illegally he could not provide verification that he was here legally. So, again, your friend is a CRIMINAL and should be deported on the next plane to wherever he came from.

Man Rich,my point was there is a big difference between what (I can't swim Kennedy) said and the number of legal and illegal aliens here today!

Rich, I think I've made several extremely valid points withing this blog. First, I discussed the TIN numbers and the number of illegal aliens that are filing taxes and getting a refund from this practice. Two, I discussed the taxing drain that illegal immigration has had on the school systems. Three, I have discussed ways to remedy the situation to immigration and allow it to happen for those that are so willing to break the law because they want a better life. Four, I have stated the more than obvious but most are way to ignorant to grasp the concept that it is not a racial issue. Five, I have discussed why today's immigration situation is very different than the situation where Europeans immigrated here 300 years ago. What have you contributed to the blog other than to defend illegal actions and whine about how we as a nation should support another nations citizens? Now, to address your last post and questions. I speak two languages in addition to English. I learned one in high school and one in college. I did it because I wanted to learn the language and not because of a requirement. In order to function in France for an extended period of stay, Yes, you would need to learn French in order to integrate into society. It's that simple. I don't go into someone's house and expect them to conform to me when I am a guest. Your friend cannot have a valid drivers license if he is here illegally unless he has a TIN and if he has one of those he can file his taxes and get any refund due to him according to what he paid in and what his exemptions are. If he does not have a TIN and paid/filed taxes and did not get a refund then pardon me but he should be deported for stupidity for throwing his money down the drain.

the speeding example is the PERFECT scenario. a law is a law. if you don't get caught then did you break the law? i think you did. what you're talking about is a degree to which the law is broken and who does it hurt or affect? i'm sure you'll never understand what he's going through or been through. but how will it change your life if he stays? how will it change your life if he goes? it won't either way but it will affect his. do you think canada should adopt one language (french or english)?

Speeding if you are caught then you pay the price! Illegal immigrant if you are caught then you pay the price! Immigration-- is easy! Do it the right way and you have no problem. The law is the law meant to be obeyed by all,If I went to a foreign land I would make it a point to do it legally first of all & then I would definitely learn the language of the land that I am in. And as for the immigrant his license is not valid because he is an illegal alien that has not been caught yet !!! He sounds like he could be a productive citizen so why not do it the right way? He has been here six years he has had the time by now to get it taken care of, but because he has not been caught he continues to disrespect our laws!!! The language may not be important for his job ,but it is important to be able to communicate with the people you deal with everday. The languages required to go to college, I am sure if you dug deep enough would have been set-up this way for just such a scenerio as you have written about taking a job in a foreign country or being able to communicate with others that you may have to be doing business with! English is the language of America if you cant abide by this then you do not need to be here in my opinion , some call this ignorance but I for one am sick of pushing 1 for english in a country I was born in! Rich, if you went to Mexico or any other country wouldn't you have the inclination to learn the language???? If this person you know is not legal why have you not talked to him about becoming legal & do what you can to help him get legal so that he can take advantage of his tax refund?? Rich, if you care about this guy then help him do it right so he can benefit from everything that America has to offer him !!!

man, dave... you have google too? that was a great point. a quote ted kennedy made 21 years ago is going to help so many problems today. did lewis and clark have any good advice on how to stop these wildfires? how about abraham lincoln on the tech bubble bursting in 2000?

"read my lips... no new taxes." --candidate for president of the united states of america george h.w. bush - campaign 1988

"...intelligence reports indicate they are attempting to purchase uranium from africa". -- president george w. bush -- state of the union 2004

"look at the big brain on bret, you're a smart mother f%$*&er". -- samuel l. jackson pulp fiction 1994.

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."

-- Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

but speeding IS breaking the law. and what does FIRST language mean? how many do you speak? you have to speak more than one to have a FIRST. if you only speak one then thats the ONLY language you know. my point is that if you are speeding and nobody pulls you over you still broke the law. that's the point many try to make about undocumented immigrants. the parallel i am making is that if you are speeding and you get in an accident because you were speeding then the way to reduce all accidents caused by speeding would be to eliminate speeders.
but its not that simple, just like immigration. if you were offered a job for $1,000,000 per year and accepted it but it was in France would you first have to learn french even if it wasn't important for your job? and jan, last time i checked you hadn't made a decent point in all your postings on this blog. what if i told you i knew an undocumented immigrant that came here with his parents at the age of 9. he has a valid (oregon) driver's license, auto and health insurance that he pays for and has been gainfully employed for 6 years. he pays in $5600 per year in taxes and gets $0 back (even though if he were a citizen he'd be ebtitled to get 80% of it back). should he be subject to this? this is a REAL example. 100% accurate. what do you think you should do in this case?

Rich, last time I checked any time anyone causes a fatality due to speeding they are penalized with anything from manslaughter to murder depending on the circumstances and/or speed. I also think that we should have cultural diversity but English should be the FIRST language of any person that is benefiting from the American government in any way, shape or form.

maybe every time someone is pulled over for speeding we should take away their car, driver's license and put them in prison for 20 years.

don't you people get it? speeding is breaking the law. if its 56 in a 55 or 32 in a 30 its still BREAKING THE LAW. we need much tougher penalties on speeding. if you jailed the speededrs then traffic fatalities would be reduced by 83%. if you're a speeder then you're a killer. its just that simple.

Too true what others wrote about this. The church likes Hispanics because they are a large part of the church membership; it doesn't hurt their popularity within the church that they breed quickly and are very likely to be 'good' Catholics and support the church.
I agree with Rufus but go even further. In my opinion, all religions should be taxed just like any other business. Many, and not just Catholic, churches expound information about voting and support of certain politicians from the pulpit. If they are concerned about laws and politics, they should be willing to pay taxes.
Perhaps, since these people are 'so willing to work hard for an existence', they should be arrested and used to mow, paint, clean, etc., public streets and buildings for room and board but without actual pay. How many would stay then?
Entering the country is illegal. If laws are unenforced, the law itself becomes impotent and anarchy becomes the law.
If one wants to talk about racism, explain the idea behind "La Raza" to me.

Illegal Mexican Workers Could Receive Billions of Dollars from U.S. Social Security System

January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC) – After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

A loophole in current Social Security law could allow millions of today's Mexican workers to eventually collect billions of dollars worth of Social Security benefits for earnings under fraudulent or "non-work authorized" Social Security numbers, putting huge new pressures on the Social Security Trust Fund.

If an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number through guest worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time, that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once he or she has met eligibility requirements.

In addition, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the U.S. illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number. Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number – whether a legal citizen or not – wages earned while in the U.S. unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account.

The Congressional Research Service reports the earnings suspense file currently stands at approximately $520 billion. According to the congressional testimony of SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O'Carroll in February 2006, "We believe the chief cause of wage items being posted to the earnings suspense file instead of an individual's earning record is unauthorized work by non citizens."

hey... don't you guys think we should stop teaching anything except english in our public schools. god forbid anyone learn some cultural diversity. last time i checked you needed a year or two of spanish, french, latin or german just to get out of high school. Randy Terill thinks anyone in the 50 united states should only be able to communicate in english, so what do we need these language courses for?

another great example of what we're (the responsible, patriotic, realistic) up against.

ok. violet and martha. i actually don't have time to make up "funny" rhymes about real issues. the bottom line is that you have no way of being able to understand the problem. martha said fernando was "sleasy, scumbag and greasy" i guess you both condone that kind of irresponsible hyperbole.

Hey everybody I am all for getting the illegals out of here, but werent you a little hard on Fernando? He did it back asswards but he did say that he and his family became legal, isn't that what we all want??? And he said his brother was serving in Iraq. I think that deserves a little respect. I am no bleeding heart and I am damned tire of our government letting people take this country over but give this guy Fernando a break he turned it around. I know I will catch hell for this but I just feel bad for him.

Violet, Thanks for that remark to Rich. Sorry about leaving the part out about the illegal immigrants selling their pills.
As for Dave's comment about the anger being directed more at illegal Mexicans, they are the only ones that are causing all of the problems. All this talk about them "LIVING IN THE SHADOWS" is a bunch of hogwash. Anyone that commits a crime and then marchs up and down the streets yelling about it can not be too afraid of anything.

We have a first in Yukon. Some type of mexican establishment is here. On the corner of Czech Hall & Reno. I don't know what it is, because I don't speak Spanish. I think one of the words is Familia -family. I'll get a better look next time I go past it.

Most of the anger is directed at illegal Mexicans because that's all the news media shows on TV climbing over the fence on our Southern border!

Martha, you left out one part. wife need pills; we get them free; then we sell them for money.

Rich, I had rather be an idiot than be what you are.

Martha is not an idiot Rich. This is a heated topic. Some of us have been injured personally be these illegals. I, too, am sick to death of illegals clamoring for their rights when they are breaking the law by being here!

HOW VERY TRUE THIS IS:
I come for visit, get treated regal, so I stay, who care I illegal? I cross border, poor and broke, take bus, see employment folk. Nice man treat me good in there, say I need to see welfare. Welfare say, you come no more,we send cash right to your door. Welfare checks, they make you wealthy, Medicaid, it keep you healthy. By and by, I got plenty money, Thanks to you, American dummy. Write to frieds in Motherland, tell them to come, fast as you can. They come in rags and Chubby trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks. They come here, we live together, more welfare checks, it get better. Fourteen families, they move in, but neighbor's patience wearing thin. Finally, white guy moves away, now I buy his house and then I say, find more aliens for house to rent, and in the front yard I put up a tent. Send for family,they just trash, but they too draw the welfare cash. Everything is much good and soon we own the neighborhood. We have habits, called breeding, welfare pay for baby feeding. Kid need dentist, wife need pill, we get free,we got no bills. American crazy, he pay all year to keep welfare running here. We think America darn good place, to darn good for the white man race. If they no like us they can go, got lots of room in Mexico.

Allison.. All you have to do to get a TIN number is fill out a form that the IRS can provide. It asks on the form what your particular case is and ranges from a NonResident Alien required to obtain an ITN to claim tax treaty benefit to Nonresident alien filing a tax return to Spouse of a Citizen. So basically, they are just asking if you're in the country and then handing out the number. I worked for a man that was from Turkey and he incorporated in the U.S. he was not a citizen and was never going to be a citizen yet he was able to get a TIN so he could apply for credit cards to use for his "company". The only thing a person with a TIN cannot do on a tax return is claim an earned income credit but they can benefit from ALL other tax benefits and credits including getting a nice FAT return. I promise you that this is black and white as simple as it gets. Not only did I graduate with a masters in accountancy but I do know how to use the Internet to research the current laws on IRS.gov. I still don't see any response from the pro illegal supporters concerning the tax returns filed and collected.. Makes you wonder why they won't answer valid questions and statements that are cold hard facts that illegal immigrants are not using the system to their advantage. Oh and for those that have never had the privilege of getting a tax return typically a low income tax return is double or sometimes triple what they pay into the system.

martha. you are an idiot.

It is so nice to know you can sue the government when you are ILLEGAL. If you don't have your affairs in order get ready to go home and come back the right way. I don't mind immigration, just lawbreakers. NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE FROM!!

I have heard it all now. I just heard on the news that the illegal immigrants are suing the Governor and the Attorney General over House Bill 1804 It is time we Oklahomans put our foot down and do something about this outlandish garbage that those criminals are doing. If I was the Govenor and the Attorney General I would show those scun bags that are in this county illegally just what racial profiling really is. If they can not show proof they are here legally, then slam them into a bus, van, suv or anything else and transport their no good behinds right back across the border.

It might not have crashed yet but they won't put an injunction in place to keep the law from being enacted so it's a mute point.

anybody up for a day at the capitol to suport our hb 1804?

you said law suits.did the second crash?

Let's just sit and wait and see what happens on November 1. I will be laughing at who actually turns out to protest the enactment of it considering the lawsuits have been thrown out of court.

Those who do not support HB1804 are going to protest on Nov.1st on the south steps of the Capitol. I wonder if the illegal that ran into and totaled my daughters car, ran, and got away will be there. This should be interesting. I wonder where the supporters of the bill should go to celebrate the passing of it will go? Anyone know anything?

If illegal immigrants are willing to work SO MUCH HARDER than our citizens, why do they complain that it is TOO HARD (takes too long) to apply for legal immigrant status? Their supporters repeatedly claim they are HARD WORKERS, but our rules are too hard? Explain that.

Jan, How does an illegal immigrant get a TIN? I know some are paid cash, under the table, and do not pay any taxes. Others have fake Social Security cards (fake documents or Identity Theft) and do pay taxes, possibly into someone else's account. But how does one just get a TIN and receive a refund, without a legal SS number? ......................................................
You also made some good points. While I read ALL of the previous posts, I kept thinking that not all of the USA was taken from the Indians. You said it well when you posted "Now, as far as everyone saying that the Europeans took the land from the Indians there is one MAJOR difference between now and then. The land was largely inhabited and there was room and resources for new inhabitants and there weren't 3 million Europeans entering the U.S. every year as there are with illegal aliens." Thanks!

I think he is still illegal. He keeps flipping back and forth between I am legal and we illegals come here to work.

Sorry, I thought Fernando was illegal. I read below where he was talking about illegals, and included himself.

Fernando were you better off before you became legal than you are now ? How have things changed for you ?? I thought earlier that you understood that illegal was not the way to go !

Fernando, you are breaking the law yourself. You sure don't seem too concerned by that. Knowing you are here illegaly, and protesting for your rights? None of you should have any rights! mark said it perfectly.

FERNANDO - As I Said the 1st time...I don't care about the right to bea rms. I have no guns in my home. I don't see the need for them. I ahve not shot a gun since I was an 8 year child at my grandparents house. The Ten Commandments, however, are God's law not mans. Again, by only commenting about the automatic citizenship for babies law, that tells me which one you are most worried about. So maybe you are not as legal as you say? Find another retort, I have laid that one to rest. Good Points Mark.

Sharon- You think that law is outdated than lets take your right to bare arms. that law in my own opinion is old. If you are christian, than lets abolish the ten commendments, they are several thousand years old. A law can never be to old.

Hey Fernando, what would you do if I were to come into your house without asking and told you hey sorry I am here uninvited but I like what you have here and I want it. Oh, by the way my family will be staying as well with you. My wife will be having a baby shortly but don’t worry you will pay for the hospital bill, you do not mind do you? You know I am sorry you really don’t like the color of my skin it being purple and all. What ? its not my skin you have a problem with. Oh it’s the fact I moved in without permission. Oh, sorry about that but I cannot see the problem. I think I will be staying so get used to it. By the way, my cousin is dropping in today. I hear he’s a bad apple but don’t worried just keep your kids locked up safe. You know I will mow your yard and do your laundry and all those things you do not want to do. Therefore, that will be my reason you should not call the cops or kick me out.this is o.k with you right?

Hey Fernando, what would you do if I were to come into your house without asking and told you hey sorry I am here uninvited but I like what you have here and I want it. Oh, by the way my family will be staying as well with you. My wife will be having a baby shortly but don’t worry you will pay for the hospital bill, you do not mind do you? You know I am sorry you really don’t like the color of my skin it being purple and all. What ? its not my skin you have a problem with. Oh it’s the fact I moved in without permission. Oh, sorry about that but I cannot see the problem. I think I will be staying so get used to it. By the way, my cousin is dropping in today. I hear he’s a bad apple but don’t worried just keep your kids locked up safe. You know I will mow your yard and do your laundry and all those things you do not want to do. Therefore, that will be my reason you should not kick me out.this is all o.k with you right?

I don't care about the right to bear arms. The Ten Commandments, however, are God's law not mans. And by your comment, I can see that is the law you are most concerned about.

Sharon- You think that law is outdated than lets take your right to bare arms. that law in my own opinion is old. If you are christian, than lets abolish the ten commendments, they are several thousand years old. A law can never be to old.

Fernando, Why do you keep saying it's a race thing? How can it be a race thing when Hispanic is not a race? Oh, and you must have missed my post where it pointed out the amount of money that TIN holders have collected over the last 6 years in tax refunds. 23 BILLION! That's a LOT of money to pe