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•Churches: Worshippers in hiding
Churches: Worshippers in hiding

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Published: October 30, 2007

When the Rev. Leonel Blanco looks out into the pews of his south Oklahoma City church on Sundays, he sees only half the number of his predominantly Hispanic congregation.

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House Bill 1804
What does it say? HB 1804 makes it criminal to transport, hire, harbor, house or conceal illegal immigrants. It also requires local law enforcement agencies to check immigration status. The law will effectively end state-sponsored benefits for those who can't prove they are legally in the U.S.

What's ahead? The law takes effect Thursday, but the legal fight continues. An Interfaith Vigil of Prayer and Solidarity for Undocumented Persons is planned for 6 to 6:45 p.m. Thursday at Sacred Heart Catholic Church, 2706 S Shartel.

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Attendance at Blanco's Santa Maria Virgen, called the fastest-growing church in the Episcopal Diocese of Oklahoma, has dwindled sharply — a 50 percent decrease that Blanco blames on the Oklahoma immigration reform law that goes into effect Thursday. "Four months ago, this church was very full, but now the people are nervous. They don't like going out,” Blanco, a native of Guatemala, said in Spanish through an interpreter.

"I believe that the law should be there to protect and bring unity. Instead of getting us together, it's driving us apart.”

Blanco is not alone:

•More than 1,000 individually signed "Pledge of Resistance” letters from Sacred Heart Catholic Church members. The letters are expected to be presented to Gov. Brad Henry's office today. The pledge was drafted by a Quaker and Church of the Nazarene social justice leader as a faith response to HB 1804 and adopted by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Oklahoma. The letters from Sacred Heart support a copy of the pledge initially presented to the governor last week.

•An Interfaith Vigil of Prayer and Solidarity for Undocumented Persons has been planned for Thursday.

•A Catholic priest says the law is unjust and sinful while an Episcopal clergyman likened the law to the vigilante justice of the Ku Klux Klan.

But state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, stands by HB 1804, the reform law he authored that has drawn the clergy's ire.

"I find it troubling that they would conveniently overlook the fact that providing services for undocumented persons with taxpayer funds is severely straining our social safety net for our own citizens. This is immoral,” he said.

The debate over the morality of the immigration reform law is picking up steam as its implementation date looms.

Religious leaders say immigrants have a right to migrate to improve their quality of life, but Terrill said it is not that simple.

‘A higher law' cited
The Rev. Anthony Taylor, pastor of Sacred Heart Catholic Church, 2706 S Shartel, said he considers the reform law to be sinful because it proposes to take away what he considers a God-given right of human dignity.

"People have a right to immigrate where circumstances so require. They do so as their God-given right,” he said.

Obeying the law is tantamount to sin, since "there's a higher law than civil law. We need to treat everyone with human dignity.”

The Rev. Michael Chapman, pastor of Holy Angels Catholic Church, 317 N Blackwelder, expressed similar sentiments.

"Illegality is not as important as the dignity of that (immigrant) family — you have the right to migrate to feed your family,” he said.

Blanco said some Hispanic immigrants believe they are losing the right to move freely because of an increase in racial profiling by the police.

"They are not terrorists,” Blanco said. "This discriminates. It seems to me like it's bringing the Ku Klux Klan again.”

Blanco and Chapman said most undocumented immigrants are hardworking and don't deserve to be shoved out of Oklahoma. Many, they said, want to work to feed their families and often send money back to their native land to support relatives.

"You don't see Latinos on the streets asking for money. They are working,” said Blanco. "We are demonstrating that we have a lot of dignity.”

Rex Friend, a Quaker and immigration law attorney, said according to his religious doctrine, HB1804 represents "harsh and cruel punishment of our brothers who had the happenstance to be born somewhere else.”

Terrill said the religious leaders don't understand the law.

"They dangerously confuse the concept of personhood and citizenship,” he said.

"I'm a conservative pro-life Republican. I believe you are a person at conception. While personhood comes with basic rights — the biggest is right to life — I believe that is an entirely different concept than being a U.S. citizen which occurs when you are born in the U.S. and with that citizenship, comes certain rights. There is no constitutional right for an unlawfully present foreign national to receive anything at taxpayer expense.”

Obeying whose authority?
By the clergymen's interpretation of the law, they will run the risk of becoming felons should they come to the aid of an illegal immigrant. However, each of them said the legislation will not change the way they serve their congregations.

"There's a higher law than civil law,” said Taylor, who leads the largest predominantly Hispanic congregation in the Oklahoma City Archdiocese.

He said based on this divine premise, the law may be met with civil disobedience akin to the 1960s civil rights movement.

"When it's a matter of justice, there's no question about it,” he said. "We're solidly on the side of the people whose rights are being violated.”

Chapman said the archdiocese's council of priests placed its support behind a "pledge of resistance” as a way to civilly express opposition to the law. The pledge, written by Friend and the Rev. Lance Schmitz, minister of social justice at Oklahoma City First Church of the Nazarene, was presented to Gov. Brad Henry's office Friday on behalf of Archbishop Eusebius Beltran and the priests' council.

Chapman said immigration reform is so emotionally charged that the priests who signed the pledge hoped it would cause everyone to consider all the law's implications.

"Making a statement at this time is a way for us to stand up and kind of like they are doing in California, putting water on the fire and calming people down,” he said.

Blanco, whose congregation at 2141 SW 25 has gone from about 300 to 125, said he has told immigrants not to leave the state out of fear. He said the doors of his church remain open and he will continue to help those in need.

Terrill said he thinks the religious leaders are well-intentioned in their concerns. He said to break the law, a person would have to knowingly transport, hire, harbor, house or conceal illegal immigrants and demonstrate reckless disregard for the law with some underlying commercial or financial gain at stake.

"If there's something that is purely religious, educational, charitable in nature or other humanitarian purpose, then that would not be included.”

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I guess I don't understand what the big deal is with becoming legal. Get your paperwork & get it in order if you want to stay. You should have done it right in the first place. Don't expect Americans to be too happy for you to be here when you run the Mexican flag up the flag pole & refuse to learn English so you can at least communicate. If Americans snuck across the Mexican border & ran the American flag up the pole, Mexico would think that we were beginning an act of war with them. They would grow weary of an illegal from America if we didn't learn the language and expect them to give us benifits of a citizen just because we were there. I don't think and I don't expect that Mexican citizenry would treat us any differently than we do if the shoe were on the other foot. In fact, I don't think that they would put up with it near as long as we have. The bottom line is, "Do it right. Abide by the law or go home."
HELEN, NOBLE - Oct 30, 2007 at 5:18 pm
I grew up in Oklahoma and all of my family still lives there. I still consider myself an Oklahoman, even tho I moved to New York so my wife could live near her family during her mothers terminal illness. I am so proud of my home state for passing this bill. It is beyond me why so many people want to take up for those who break our laws in coming here and then have the audacity to get welfare and as much public assistance as possible. I now live in a city with immigrants and illegal aliens from all over the globe and I hate it. I can't wait to move back home. I am SO proud of my home state for passing this bill. Right Is Right. I don't care how people try to wrangle the words around. Illegal aliens have no business being here and Americans that put out a big welcome sign for them are just as much in the wrong. Illegal aliens commit NUMEROUS felonies by being here. Its about time somebody stood up to them and all these groups that bully. Stand by your guns, Oklahoma.~Proud Okie.
Jeremy, Forest Hills - Oct 30, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Larry you are absolutly right...it is about the law and a disregard for it. Now they are HIDING? I don't understand why so many want to take up for people who are breaking the law!
Sooner Born, Sooner Country - Oct 30, 2007 at 3:01 pm
There are many good points in this thread & many displays of ignorance. There is really no dispute. It's sad that people have put their families in the position to be torn apart because they did not have the integrity to do things right to begin with. Thank goodness America (or at least Oklahoma) is finally cleaning up. God blesses those who honor him and his word, regardless of where they live. He does not honor dishonesty, cheating, lying to get things the easy way. Immigrants need to do it the right way or go home and change things there - simple as that. By the way Fernando...if you really believe the things you've said - I hope you find salvation before you pass on.
Cari, Yukon - Oct 30, 2007 at 2:27 pm
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If the churches want to help criminals then they should be taxed for every cent they get.Just like any
other buisness.and looking at the track record,possibly, in 10-20 years we will be hearing about sex abuse lawsuits.
UR MASTER, Del City - Oct 30, 2007 at 2:21 pm
I really don't think this topic of discussion is about eating right or obesity ! Everyone on here is entitled to their own opinions & that is what makes America -- America !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Oct 30, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Mikki not once in any of my posts did I ever mention the word white or the word fat. And the word is obese. Oklahomans are overweight not because we are poor it is because we eat too much. We make terrible food choices. Also there is a fast food joint on every corner.And Mikki dont ever insert you own assumptions and words into my posts. I believe you do so just to attempt to sway someone that hasnt actually read one of them. Now go back and actually read my posts.
amy, oklahoma city - Oct 30, 2007 at 1:01 pm
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Mikki not once in any of my posts did I ever mention the word white or the word fat. And the word is obese. Oklahomans are overweight not because we are poor it is because we eat too much. We make terrible food choices. Also there is a fast food joint on every corner.And Mikki dont ever insert you own assumptions and words into my posts. I believe you do so just to attempt to sway someone that hasnt actually read one of them. Now go back and actually read my posts.
amy, oklahoma city - Oct 30, 2007 at 1:00 pm
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No Fernando they would not have broken the law. They knew that they could come to America the legal way. They would not have snuck in illegally. America has a moto: Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these — the homeless, tempest-tossed — to me; I lift my lamp beside the Golden Door. My grandparents took that to heart and came. However, they understood their responsibility to follow the laws of their adopted country and do it LEGALLY! They did this out of respect. DO NOT presume to know my families moral standings and say my grandparents would hve ever broken the law! And you assumed my grandparents were jews. They were Polish CATHOLIC!!!!!!

Mikki, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Our state will not be safe until all the pastors are classified as felons. Sounds like Okie justice to me.
Kevin, Shawnee - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Robin- I hate getting into topics like this, but it is your private life. You want to be a catholic then follow what it preaches, otherwise you are not a true catholic.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Your grandparents would have came here any way if the US weren't accepting anyone. I don't think anyone could have done anything. Even Catholics were kill when they tried to help the Jews.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Your grandparents would have came here any way if the US weren't accepting anyone. I don't think anyone could have done anything. Even Catholics were kill when they tried to help the Jews.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Fernando, In response to your comment to me , I am not using birth control as I have no need for it & I am glad that you are educating youself with a third language . If I go live in another country I will learn the language of that country, but right now I know the language of this one, I follow my heart & not what the Catholic church tells me to do, I feel no need to confess my sins to a priest when I can speak to the lord & do it on my own. Fernando you can be Catholic & disagree with what they are doing . I do not think breaking the law is right & if that makes me a bad Catholic then so be it crucify me !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Amy, Look at your research. Oklahomans are ranked #15 in obesity because we are a poor state. Last year we were ranked 5th in the United States for having the most children who go to bed hungry. Those issues had NOTHING to do with race, but wih POVERTY! Poverty knows no racial boundaries. You made the assumption that all these fat people are white. What an ignorant remark. Educate yourself. Fernando, yes it is the churches place to help those in need, however is it their place to harbor criminals? If so then why didnt the Catholic Church shelter my grandparents when the Nazis came for them and they were forced to flee Poland. Even then they came into this country legally! Why is this suddenly a race issue? It addresses illegal immigrants not Mexicans. I am suddenly a racist because I believe people should come into this country legally. God knows my grandparents did! Why shouldnt all others have too? Wouldnt it follow that this group of immigrants are asking for special dispensation because they are the largest group of immigrants entering our country illegally.Oh and by the way have your social security number stolen and sold to an illegal so that they can legally work in this country and tell me its ok because the person who stole it (or bought it on the black market) is a hard working illegal immigrant who only wants to better themselves. Lets look at making the legalization process less expensive. Better yet lets look at the lawyers who "convince" immigrants that they cannot go through the process without first hiring them and then "milk" them for legal fees;or the organizations that promise help,apply for federal aid and then sit on it for their own gain.
Mikki, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Sandra, if an infant was brought here, undocumented, I think he/she would know it before they turned 18, 19, or 40. You must have a birth certificate to start school, get a driver's license, or a marriage license. These people aren't dumb, just illegal. .......Do the people with Spanish names elect someone to argue with everyone else each time this comes up? This time it's Fernando, the last one was Carlos. BTW, Fernando, Robin didn't say she TOOK birth control pills, just that she didn't like the church telling her she couldn't, and I don't believe she was being insulting.
Jackie, moore - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Also Marie, you as Catholic should listen to the Pope.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Also Marie, you as Catholic should listen to the Pope.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:19 pm
No, the government gave you that right. Religion should supercede government law. In my case I am Catholic before anything else.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Does any of this sound like Germany pre-WW II?
John, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:15 pm
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Fernando, is it our Christian duty to help others break the law? What would Christ say about that...I know that the law calls that aiding and abetting.
Marie, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Fernando, Enid: I grew up in the same parish as Fr. Wolf and I know that he and the rest of the church believes that they are performing a humanitarian act however, God has given me the right to disagree. These people have broken the law of this country and that has a consequence as does any other crime. I am not saying we should execute them but they need to pay restitution for the crime. There is a process and THE PROCESS SHOULD BE ADHERED TO...IF IT ISN'T, THEN PAY THE PRICE OF DEPORTATION AND/OR BECOME LEGAL.
Marie, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I'm curious to see what happens to our crime statistics in 2008. I believe most illegals are good folks (for criminals) but I also believe that a lot of felonies are committed by the bad ones. Also this law should indirectly improve our economy and more jobs will decrease crime.
Anton, OKC - Oct 30, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Robin- How about you learn spanish? I know two languages and hope to learn a third one.
Fernando, Enid - Oct 30, 2007 at 11:49 am
This issue isn't simply a legal or govenmental issue; it is a human rights issue. Think of what happens to families when one parent is undocumented, or worse when both parents are undocumented and the children are citizens. What about the child brought here as an infant who is now 18, 19 or 40 years old and undocumented but never knew that he was not a citizen? What about the elderly who followed their family members, not knowing the laws of the land or that what they were doing wasn't legal? We must consider the humanitarian, moral and ethical ramifications of this bill. That is what the churches--be they Catholic, Nazarene, Quaker, Episcopalian, or any other denomination--must consider. It's not just the Catholic churches that are taking a stand! They're joined by a number of other churches. And they're guided by Catholic Social Teaching, which most Catholics have never studied.
sandra, shawnee - Oct 30, 2007 at 11:49 am

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