Immigration law to take effect
Immigration law to take effect

ok. Guys, now this is cool !! I am seeing American flags popping up every ware lots of homes are raising our nation’s flag. I will have mine up this weekend. Who’s with me?

Bud and Jo, As I said to Bud these figures go only through 2006. Even my hard headed never intending to go out of the US husband applied for a pass port this year. It took him 14 weeks to get his back. When I got my first one it took less than two weeks. I did go home and look through my DoC papers and low and behold this is what I read 70% of elegable US Citizens who are able to travel and not mentally, physically, or of an advanced age have applied for or will apply for a Pass Port. It is strongly reccomened that all US Citizens obtain a pass port even if you do not plan to travel outside the country. Sorry Bud I missquoted. However the 2006 figures are way off. The only people I know that do not have a passport are my 88 year old mother and a friend who could not afford to drive from Edmond to Norman. Also, on my way home last night I was rear ended by a illegal (not Mexican) she did not have insurance and now my vehicle has some pretty major damage. Evidently they are not arresting people yet because she was let go and not detained no divers license and no proof of citizen status. I have a International Drivers license all it takes to get one is a legal drivers liscense and 25 bucks and you can drive in almost any country except the issuing country. I am hopping mad about this and this morning I am for going door to door and throwing them all out. This woman refused to speak english to the highway patrolman when she had been speaking to me to tell me I stopped too quick. If anyone wants any sympathy from me to day forget it.

Before The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 (Thank you Senator Kennedy)and the 1986 Amnesty Act ( Thank you Senator Kennedy) most Americans wanted population control in the US.Now we allow in around 2,000,000 legal immigrants a year plus their extended families,(Mother,Father,Sister ,Brother and their children.)That adds millions more.Then you have the 12-20 million illegal Aliens that Congress wants to give Amnesty to.If that's granted,then you have their extended families,which will add millions more.Then you have the 500,000 that still cross our southern border illegally each year.The US current population is 301,000,000,not to long ago we exported our surplus food,now we import half, 36 states have a water shortage,Some studies show the US population at 450,000,000 by the year 2050.Has anyone ask their Congressman and Senators what quality of life our Children and Grand Children will have? Social Security,in 1996 the Social Security Administration signed an agreement with Mexico that will give Social Security payments to the 12-20 million illegal aliens once they are granted amnesty, total cost over 50 billion dollars a year.This type information is at both the FAIR and the Heritage Foundation Web sites.Add the billions each year the American tax payer pays for illegal aliens free medical care,food stamps,rent assistance,translators at schools and we have a ticking time bomb.Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens and endless immigration is not the answer.I encourage everyone to write their Congressman and Senators and ask them what the total cost to the American tax payer will be if they grant amnesty to those 12-20 million illegal aliens,after all you and I and our children will foot the bill for their decision! "

I think illegal immigrants have it relatively easy considering the fact that they've broken the law in GETTING here and have defied the law in STAYING here and have evaded the law in HOMESTEADING here-----
If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. -----

****But, knowing what I know as an American****
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.

I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.

I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.

I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live.

I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make.

I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.

I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.

I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:---------------
**access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
**public education for my children
**welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
**free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
**consistently clean and safe water
**vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
**indoor plumbing
**affordable public transportation
**a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
**good roads
**reliable electricity
**public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
**police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
**garbage pick-up and sanitation services
**free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
**graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
**abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
**basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance
*(*I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.*)*
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All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.
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In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.
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Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,

"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!---------------------------------
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.--------------------------------
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.----- Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.---------
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.----------
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.---------
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.---------
****If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" -****
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.-----

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.------
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!-------
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens! ---------

**Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich**

Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt---------------
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.-------

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases--------
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. -----------
**** High integrity, ethical invitation ****

We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.--------
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It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.



















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Oh, so now that you folks have been called on your false claims that the KKK is behind this law you're going to dig up any and all dirt you can find about FAIR? While you're digging dirt, why not see what you can find on la Raza? You want racist, the name says it all.

Lizeth, you're posting on a public message board. That means anyone reading it can respond.

Mikki,

Here is a better link to the article:
http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/bio-ethics/americanbreedpage.cfm

Besides I was not talking to you T.A I was talking to Janice she has made really bad remarks

T Yea I obey the laws too but that does not mean that I want all this people to suffer, what are they doing to you that is so bad that you don't want them here. I hate when people the same race are against eachother besides Hispanics are not the only illegal people in here why is people always against us is pure racism

Mikki,

Here is a link to an article that makes connections to the Pioneer Fund and Hitler. Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis.

I finally found the source for all of the weird figures that have been quoted on this website related to the economic impact of "illegals" PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FIGURES THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF "illegals" IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A CURRENT SPOKESMAN OF F.A.I.R., Jack Martin. So even though the article is proported to be factual it isn't based in fact yet its figures have been spouted in the national press and here on this forum. Don't you all feel a little bit manipulated? http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d

Rufus I think you are so ignorant! and if you have kids, i feel sorry for them, becuse they are going to grow up to be ignorant just like you!!!

Here is some background on the "F.A.I.R." organization that provided the language, I.E. wrote, the legislation that we are discussing:

Federation for American Immigration Reform
www.fairus.org

Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism.

Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control."

FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000.

Direct link to this page:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14

It sure does, T.A., you're exactly right. I've cross-posted this to other forums because I want as many folks as can to catch that re-run and see that incredible video.

Jason, I saw that too. It kind of blows a big whole in the "poor immigrant trying to better himself" propaganda, doesn't it?

Today, I'm proud to be an Oklahoman!!

"We are drafting our own legislation patterned after Oklahoma," said Utah Sen. Bill Hickman.
"We're developing two different groups in society - those that have to obey the law and those that don't. Society can't function very well that way."

I was just watching the video of the protest on Channel 9. A guy in a truck was arguing with some of the pro-illegal alien protesters. Behind the women he was arguing with, an Hispanic man could be seen in the background gesticulating at the man in the truck and you could hear him saying "take you out." That is the true face and voice of many of the illegal immigrants in this country, not the "hard worker" saint we're constantly told about: people willing to make threats and commit violence if they don't get their way. I encourage everyone to watch the News 9 rebroadcast of their Six o'clock news on Cox channel 53 to watch this disturbing exchange. Today in California, the gang MS-13 has made large parts of Los Angeles unlivable. That's apparently what many of our pro-illegal alien apologists want for Oklahoma tomorrow.

Heartless, racists? Lizeth, both of my daughter in laws are half Mexican and they both support this law. Why? Because their parents did the legal way. Just because you don't support it doesn't mean that the rest of us are heartless or racists. Attacking us and calling us names does nothing toward winning this argument. It just makes you look bad.

Bud you don't have to explain yourself to all this ignorant people. Sandy for your information you don't have to be an illegal immigrant to be against this law just because Bud don't think like some of you doesn't mean there's something wrong with his status.I'm a citizen of the U.S and I'm against it and yes I'm mexican and proud of it. But you heartless racist people will never understand what's really going on

Quote: Illegal Mexican Workers Could Receive Billions of Dollars from U.S. Social Security System

January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC) – After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

A loophole in current Social Security law could allow millions of today's Mexican workers to eventually collect billions of dollars worth of Social Security benefits for earnings under fraudulent or "non-work authorized" Social Security numbers, putting huge new pressures on the Social Security Trust Fund.

If an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number through guest worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time, that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once he or she has met eligibility requirements.

In addition, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the U.S. illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number. Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number – whether a legal citizen or not – wages earned while in the U.S. unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account.

The Congressional Research Service reports the earnings suspense file currently stands at approximately $520 billion. According to the congressional testimony of SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O'Carroll in February 2006, "We believe the chief cause of wage items being posted to the earnings suspense file instead of an individual's earning record is unauthorized work by non citizens."

Sandy, Yes, you can think I'm a hard headed fruit loop, but that's not a valid argument. You can say my links are out of fate, but provide none of your own. You can assume I'm too poor to affod a passport, but that's incorrect. We just visited her "home" country last month. It's just more ad hominem attacks. The same kind Jason offered in support of his position. So to you I say the same I said to him- you're a bore and not worth my attention. But you might sneak a peek at the link jo provided, from your old employer the US Government. It's older than the one I gave, but it still proves passport holders are nowhere near 70%.

The ONLY reason racism and the KKK are being injected into this is because there is no legitimate excuse for defending the illegal invasion of this country by these people. So, those who appose this law are doing whatever they can to paint those who support it as evil racists, up to and including fantasizing about this so-called KKK involvement. It really doesn't do anything though, but prove how hateful and despicable they are.

Sandy,
Here are the US State Department figures. http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/stats/stats_890.html

BTW Bud, you are barking up the wrong tree if you think I would profile any race..don't pull the race card with me.

Never said she was.. You find the information, you gave me information of the Oakland California paper. Geeze that is sure up to date. You may think I am incorrect, that is your right. It is also my right to think you are a hard headed fruit loop. If you don't have the money for a pass port I strongly suggest you save up and get one. Your wife may want to visit her home country someday.

Sandy, It doesn't matter where you used to work if you can't provide evidence of the 70% number. What smells rotten? That I don't believe your statistics when you can provide no proof whatsoever to back them up? That's funny!

And btw, she's not Mexican. More profiling, eh?

Bud, I am a former employee of the D of C. I feel their information to be more correct. Why is it so important to you? Something is beginning to smell rotten in Budland. I will toss out another tidbit for you. In the near future all natural born Americans will have to have a pass port or there will be a law enacted that everyone have a national identification card. Big Brother is watching all of us. The illegal alien mess is causing more than heart break for the illegals, it is costing me privacy and loss of my basic freedoms.

Sandy, Have you not read my earlier posts? My wife is a citizen (has been for at least 10 years) and possesses a passport. And yes, a nerve was stepped on. Not only is it tiring to have her rights as an American citizen continually brought into question, I deplore the ignorance of my fellow Oklahomans and find it shameful. How would you feel if someone repeatedly insinuated you, or your spouse, were not here legally?

Rebecca, That's true. But I can tell you they will most likely never receive a visa to re-enter the country under the current system if they do that. So their choice is stay here illegally, or go back home and never come back. While that is probably the preferred choice, it runs counter to human nature- especially if they have family here that are citizens.

Someone sure stepped on one of Bud's nerves. One of my friends husband came from El Salvador and way back in the day (90's) he was caught here illegally. Guess what? They had to go back, stay in a hotel with armed men surrounding it and apply to come into the states legally. Took two weeks. Come to find out he married her because he thought that would keep him in this country. Bud, If your wife is indeed here legally I would take every measure to insure nothing happened to her status. If she is Mexican and legal but not a citizen she can get her pass port in Kansas City, Mo. If not then find out what to do to make her legal.

they are not going house to house looking for illegal people.why do you have to have a birth certificate on you????

Sandy, I can't find a link to your claim. However, considering there are over 300MM people in the country, that would mean an increase of roughly 140MM passports since January.

Bud, there's no record of them being here - all they have to do is go back & start the process. More excuses.

Care to provide a link?

Robin, You are given something when you become a citizen. However, you can't legally copy it so you keep it in a safe place- not carry it on your person. And anyway, for the past 10 years she has never had to prove citizenship except to get her passport. That may change with this law. My wife doesn't have a problem, by the way. At least not yet. And even if she does, we see it as a windfall in our favor. And you think having tax-paying businesses on the south side looks better than boarded up windows? Interesting perspective.

Good grief Bud. That was January 24th and the article was in the Oakland times. What I read was from the Department of Commerce AKA Census Bureau. Who ever posted about Capitol Hill. You go there because I won't again. My husband loves to go to the Oklahoma Oprey. Last year he made a wrong turn and we got the back window of our car shot out. I can't say who did it or what race they were, I am saying it is dangerious to go there. The attitude of the police department was ho hum. An everyday happening. I am sick and tired having law breakers flaunt them selves and get away with crimes just because they can.

Sandy, have you checked that link. It's not 70% of Americans that have passports.

Oh, Jason. So, still no response to the facts. Just more questioning of my wife's status? Apparently in your eyes, committing a misdemeanor makes you a criminal. I'd think the Jason household may be full of criminals as well. Think about that the next time someone in your house gets a traffic ticket. If you can't come up with anything more than insinuating my wife is here illegally, or calling the clergy accessories to a crime, you're a bore and don't deserve any more of my attention.

I would have no problem going and getting a passport if that is what is required of me . I am for the law not against it & as for south Oklahoma City, I lived there for twenty years & it never looked as bad as it does right now, If a large flea market look is what you are going for then great southside is at the top of the list & if living with bars on the windows is grand then they win. and why are you not given something when you actually become a citizen that states that you are one? Get your paper work together & you should not have a problem !!!

repeat.For those of you who have not had the privilege of seeing the mexican flag raised over a business here on the south side or a group of Hispanics that live two houses down from you harass you and other people in the neiborhood and tell you that this is there land now and its time for the gringo to leave are really missing out. I am sure this is not the attitude of all Hispanics or expect it to be do to the fact the Hispanics on the other side are the best neighbor’s one could have. But when I see and hear this I have a problem just like I would with any race that would do this. I don’t care if it was hillbilly bob, I would have a problem. But when this is happening across the United States then it makes people resentful. And for some reason out of all the ill eagle immigrant that are coming over I have only noticed Hispanics causing the biggest fuss. Why is that? This is not a case of a few; this is a case of millions. It’s too bad that they chose to organize and march across the United States, wave the Mexican flag and tell U.S citizens to get out that this land is there’s. I believe that’s what really sparked the problem. We were being shoved around by Hispanics and didn’t like it very well and shoved back and now they don’t like it since they have been able to run over any one by simple invasion by numbers or by law suits keeping the path clear. It’s too bad that a group of radical Hispanics ruined it for the rest. I wonder (not really) who is really to blame for this problem. Or did 80 percent of Americans wake up one day and think hey, I think we will mess with Mexicans. Every action has a reaction.

Rebecca, No, they can't start the process of becoming American citizens without first returning to their country of origin. If they were in the US for more than a year illegally, they can not reenter the US for at least 10 years under current law. This is part of what Bush was trying to address with his immigration reform. So it's not just a matter of "they don't want to."

Sandy, here's a link to prove what I'm saying: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070124/ai_n17151182

You're answering my question with a question. There is no data to prove terrorists are entering the US through Mexico, however there is data to prove they have entered through Canada.

As to the rest of it, I'm not condoning something that is illegal, I'm only saying that the penalty should fit the crime. Staying in the country illegally is a misdemeanor, yet providing a house for an illegal is a felony. It just doesn't make sense. But I do agree that they should crack down on the overstaying of student visas. In fact, I think they should stop giving those out so freely and increase the numbers of other types of visas.

KOCO TV at 5:00, showing supporters and protesters arguing overo the new bill.

One of the great things about this bill is all the howling, moaning, and whining it brings forth from the pro-illegal alien apologists. I literally read all they hysterical babbling from the pro-illegal alien crowd on this forum and burst out laughing. Great fun.

Bud, American citizens who provide aid to lawbreakers are called "accessories." Illegal aliens are criminals, and those who help them are co-conspirators in the act of committing a crime.

Bud, I don't really care if you're getting "mad" or not. Something tells me that all's not kosher with the legal status of the Bud household, or you wouldn't be in here frothing at the mouth over a law that, if it didn't you in some way, I can't quite see someone getting that passionate about. Something about your rants just doesn't add up...

No, I do not have my numbers confused. 70% not 70 Mil. My question right back is how can you say that no terrorist comes across our southern border? This is a small step forward. How can you condone something that is illegal? If I get on a plane to go to Mexico they will want to see my pass port. If I go to Canada ditto. I for one would like to see the overstaying of student visas cracked down on.

Bud, it's not humanitarian aid - it's aiding & abedding a criminal. These illegal immigrants have other options. Heck, they could still start the process of becoming an American - they don't want to! They only want the benefits. Passports would make no difference - a driver's license serves the same ID purpose.

Sandy, I beleive you may have your numbers confused. About 70 million Americans have passports, or about 25% of the population. The number of passport applications has gone up about 70%, however. My questions to you are how many terrorists have entered this country through Mexico, how many have worked at low-skilled jobs in Oklahoma, and how many terrorists have been hispanic? Maybe when they stop being from middle eastern countries coming through Canada or on overstayed student visas I'll agree with you.

Mikki,
I am sorry but it sounds a lot like the climate in Germany in the late 1920’s. A bunch of disenfranchised Germans blamed all of the countries problems on the Jews, Homosexuals and deviants. They were all forced to register. Then they were forced to give up their businesses. Then their personal property was taken and finally their lives.
The people that support this bill the most are disenfranchised and don’t have a future because they lack an adequate education and world view to be economically viable individuals. They have followed the preachings of some hate mongers and truly believe that all of their problems are a result of all of these “Mexicans”

Two things I have read in the last 30 days is 70% of americans have a pass port now. 91% of americans want to see immigration laws tightened. The next time we have a major terrorist attack you can cry how unfair it is and why wasn't something done.

Jo This is nothing like what the Nazis did to the Jews in WW II. You are clouding the issue. The Jews killed murdered experimented on and burned the Jews. All we are asking is that ANY illegal immigrant come into this country legally. No comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandy, nothing is wrong with keeping your passport on your person if you believe we should live in a country where providing proof of citizenship on demand to authorities is correct (not to mention the cost and that most Americans don't have a passport). You were detained in Paris as a witness. Being detained for no other reason than you fit a racial profile, or were born outside the country, is another thing altogether. Giving local law enforcement such authority is troubling. And the issue is not just the illegality of the illegals, its the criminalization of American citizens for providing humanitarian aid, even if they are using their own money.

Oklahoma, occupied by the KKK? Some of you are really stretching. The last KKK rally I knew of here was quite a few years ago, in Ardmore, and the Ardmoreites ran them out of town. Thats amusing that someone from Chicago feels like they can complain about anyone! Clean up your own very messy back yard Jacky, before you complain about someone elses.

Kenny from methville is very good at analogies. Funny also. I'm glad you got a divorce instead of shooting her. lols

Charlotte, that is a very sad story. (the little girl) It was very irresponsible of her parents to do this to her. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it better, but I could tell you many sad stories where an illegal has negatively impacted whole families.

Forget Jacky..I just got an email from a friend in Chicago...She was congratulating Oklahoma and the stand they have taken. By the way she is a native of Saudi Arabia...Citizen of the US by choice.

I meant, whole families of American citizens, including death.

Charlotte, that is a very sad story. (the little girl) It was very irresponsible of her parents to do this to her. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it better, but I could tell you many sad stories where an illegal has negatively impacted whole families.

Jacky, it makes my stomach turn to think that in order to protect the majority of the legal citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, many men who died, did so in order for you to spew forth such trash. And don't name call, then talk about God blessing people as a request from you. Somehow, I don't think you know God or have the first clue on what a true blessing is.

Kenny from methville is very good at analogies. Funny also. I'm glad you got a divorce instead of shooting her. lols

What in the world would be wrong with keeping your pass port on your person???I just returned from France and Belgium and think I still have the thing in my purse. I was a witness to a hit and run accident in Paris and was detained for 4 hours. Should I be upset by this??? I still say everyone is missing the point. It is illegal to come into this or any other country and set up housekeeping. This is not a new law per say, it is just a enforcement of laws that are in place here and every other country. I have been to Mexico many times and have never flaunted there laws or the law in any other country, this one included. I if barrowed your car without permission I would be arrested if caught. Illegal is illegal and that is simply the bottom line. AS for economy you might check into the Billions of dollars we are borrowing from China. Before you jump on me, check it out.

Oklahoma, occupied by the KKK? Some of you are really stretching. The last KKK rally I knew of here was quite a few years ago, in Ardmore, and the Ardmoreites ran them out of town. Thats amusing that someone from Chicago feels like they can complain about anyone! Clean up your own very messy back yard Jacky, before you complain about someone elses.

Jason, you prove my point that this is a cultural/race controversy. You make the assumption that since I am not in favor of the law that my wife and I are illegal and "have something to worry about." That just goes further to show the type of racist behavior this law is propagating. People like you think since a law was passed you have legitimate rights to openly display your racist attitudes. Had I not stated she was Hispanic, would you make the same innuendos? Your ignorance is troubling. The Oklahoma legislature has passed a law that specifically states our drivers licenses will not comply with the Federal mandates to provide proof of citizenship. Do you speak for all of Oklahoma law enforcement, or is this just your anecdotal evidence? We Oklahomans may be required at some point to carry passports to visit national parks, or travel by air. And to my statements only being opinion and anecdotes,and not statements of fact, I think you are simply side stepping because you have not facts to counter with. It is a fact we had German language churches in Oklahoma, it is a fact that Capitol Hill was devoid of business 20 years ago, it is a fact that it is now filled with businesses. It is a fact that the Social Security Admin is holding $513 Billion in funds attributed to fake SS#'s. Need I go on? Oviously you can't make a counter point to an argument. All you can do is attack people personally and slander them with race laden inuendos.

1. Illegal immigrants live in either rented housing or own their own housing thus they are contributing towards property taxes.

2. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes and gas tax just like the rest of us.

3. Any illegal immigrant working with a fake social security number is paying both federal and state income taxes.

I can’t really understand the argument that illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. One could say that they are consuming more services than they pay in taxes but I would assume that anyone with more than one child under the age of 18 is guilty of the same crime. The average walmart employee receives more in government services than he/she pays in taxes. If the issue is really taxes for services then make it possible for illegal immigrants to pay state/federal taxes.

I remember going to Berlin in 1988 and seeing a city under siege. I was especially struck by a museum by checkpoint Charlie that depicted how the East Germans had killed Germans trying to enter West Berlin.

I can’t see how we can justify the current system where thousands of Latin Americans are dying each year trying to reach the United Stated. I think that it is highly dangerous anytime any race or group of people is used as scapegoats for societies problems. The people that support this legislation are supporting the marginalization of a people. The next step is seizing all the assets of illegal aliens. This initiative has already been announced. This is similar to what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in the 1930’s. What is next? Maybe capital punishment for anyone that illegally enters the country?

Being a Christian state can’t we think of a better way to address our problems? What about a guest worker program? The current system needs to change but the current system has been supported by big business and the powers that be for over 60 years.
This problem has taken decades to develop and it simply can’t be solved through the passage of one hate filled piece of legislation whose creation was made possible through funding from a hate group.

Jason, the more I read your post the madder I get. Your ignorance proves that this is a cultural/ race issue for far too many xenophobic bigots like yourself. You write, "Bud, as long as your wife is here legally she won't have a thing to worry about..." Really? So long as she's here legally? What an arrogant and stupid thing to write. I stated her legal status, but since I dare point out the failings of this law and its intent, you question her legality in this country. You, sir, are part of the problem and why the writer from Chicago is so right about dumb Okies. My wife isn't worried, but you should be.

Chico: I don't eat burritos, so that would not pertain to me. Several years ago, I lived in Oklahoma City, there was a Mexican restaurant in the southwest part of town that several people that ate there got E-Coli and Hepatitis from eating there. When the Health Department did an inspection of the restaurant, they found human feces mixed in with the food, enough so, that it was determined to have been put in the food intentionally. I have not eaten Mexican food since!!!!

All you people that think that getting rid of all illegal people that are here is a good thing, you have no idea how bad that's going to affect oklahoma's economy. People think they know what they're talking about but they dont. They are just RACIST end of story.

Bud, you haven't presented a single "fact," just opinions and anecdotes. Those do not a factual case make. And this silliness about an Oklahoma drivers license not being adequate proof of citizenship for a random traffic stop is more pro-illegal alien piffle. There is not an Oklahoma law enforcement officer in the state who would detain your wife under this law if she had a legitimate Oklahoma drivers license. Your reaction, and posting of that piffle, tells me you and her might have something to worry about from this law, truth be told...

Mariana, you are welcome. People like Jason would rather stoop to ad hominem attacks than argue facts. This is a big part of the problem.

WOW! I'm shocked to see how many crazy, ignorant, negative, racist people live in Oklahoma. Now I see why it is said in so many other states that Oklahoma is occupied by the stupid KKK. And to all the people who do have a healthy mind, and who do know what's the real meaning of life; all of you who would rather concentrate on doing something GOOD, HELPFUL, & FAIR may GOD continue to bless you with that way of thinking and acting. Also, may God touch the hearts and minds of all of you who are such ignorant, funny, and racist people because you really, really needed. Oh, and don't forget, this is THE UNITED STATES OF IMMIGRANTS.

Bud, you have made a very good point. Many people don't know or don't even want to know the positive ways illegal immigrants attribute to our community. Thanks once again!

Jason, me thinks you are a pompous, bigoted person. My wife does face the potential of being detained if she can not produce her naturalization papers which are against Federal law to copy, since out Oklahoma drivers licenses do not prove citizenship. She could carry her American Passport, but why? Refute one thing I said as not being factual.

Bud, as long as your wife is here legally she won't have a thing to worry about (methinks you protest too much, hmmmm....). As for the rest of your rant, it's so beneath the common intellectual denominator of average that I find it difficult to stoop to the level required to comment on it. I left the eighth grade long ago, after all...

Don't kid yourselves. This bill is all about race, or rather culture. Count how many times the words mexico, mexican, latino, hispanic, etc. are used in the posts here. It's all about finding a scapegoat for our social problems, and the illegal hispanics are it. Terrill and everyone else knows there are very few illegal Asians in Oklahoma. Besides the obvious fact that Asia is half a world away, a majority of Asian immigrants in Oklahoma are the result of the end of the Vietnam conflict and were given asylum in this country. Illegal Hispanics do pay taxes and do contribute to our social services. Even those that are paid in cash pay sales and motor vehicle taxes. Those that own homes pay property taxes. And those that use fake social security numbers pay FICA and income taxes. The Social Security Administration currently has $513 BILLION dollars in the bank attributed to fake social security numbers. I can remember those "good times" in South Oklahoma City 20 years ago, before the illegals started coming in droves. Capitol Hill was a ghost town. SW 29th was in shambles. But look at these places now. Sure, the signs are in Spanish, but there are tax paying businesses lining these streets. And why did they come to these areas? Because the near South side of OKC has been an Hispanic part of Oklahoma City for close to 100 years. Little Flower Catholic Church, at SW 11th and Walker, was built in the 1920's to SERVE THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY IN THE AREA. This is nothing new folks. They aren't here to steal some imaginary American culture. They only want to preserve their own, just as our European ancestors did. There were German language churches in Oklahoma prior to WWI, and German language newspapers. We are a nation of immigrants. Our immigration system is broke but this law is no way to fix it. It goes too far by not just penalizing the illegal immigrants and their employers, but even those that would offer them humanitarian aid. Let's see how this law is enforced. My wife is a legal immigrant of Hispanic descent and a naturalized citizen. How will she prove to some over-zealous cop in Podunk, Oklahoma that she is a citizen? I can hardly wait for the lawsuit when she's arrested. I think we'll be able to retire. This state has once again proven just how short-sighted its people really are.

Just want to say that I personally know fernando and she is a very beautiful, intelligent, hard working, American citizen. As an American she is enititled to her opinion. I personally am for this bill because of most of the reasons already stated., I too am entitled. The key here Fernando, is that your parents did what was necessary for you to be a citizen. Others should do the same.You are a very blessed immagrant and we are blessed to have you.

Genelle - That is funny because the federal Judge did not have a problem with the law. Could it be you don't like the law?

Those who quote Theodore Roosevelt make me laugh. He was a racist, he believed that "seperate but equal" ok, native americans were not citizens, & women could not vote.

Terry----Immigrants (FROM ANY COUNTRY) have a choice. They can come here legally and then reap the benefits available for those that do come legally. We must all realize that there are opportunists out here (OF ALL RACES) that will take advantage of those placed in unfortunate circumstances, but usually those curcumstances are of their own making.

Genelle, Oh well, at least we succeeded in getting 25,000 or so out due to fear......

I have a family member who is an ATTORNEY. I was just told by that memember of my family that this law will not FLY. Because it is a field that is prempted by federal law and it is in direct conflict with that federal law. So it will be eventually strick down.

The future is looking brighter for some Americans. Now maybe those in need of jobs will have one! Now we just need to quit making spanish the 2nd language and make English the 1st language, and help others to speak it proudly! From a very proud American who believed in the new bills!

Your comments are well stated and you are to be thanked for them. Am for legal immagration but only for it to be within the law. Something like the law on immagration in Mexico. I think it is two years if you break thier law. Stand firm, Okla.

Jim from Rockwall, You have one of the best post I have read today. Great job.

hilario
I am of hispanic descent (sp) anyway i have really have no problems with anyone from any country coming here to live. But if they want to stay here they need to be a legal citzen. My grandmother mother was hispanic and she was a legal citzen. i think she was born here. but anyway, as long as they are law abiding citzens and pay taxes and work just like the rest of us then there is no problem. i sure several people agree to this.

Roosevelt made some excellent points!! Many need to remember that this is still America & it belongs to Americans!

Genelle, I have read this many times and always am amazed at all of the questions this puts to rest. This is exactly what I know my Great-Grandmother felt all of her life. She was so proud to be American.

Fernando - Where does it say hispanic in the bill?

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

How dare I say it Fernando? I talk with those people every day. They hate the illegals coming here, it's affected their wages, their jobs, & they don't want their taxes supporting them. They say they did the hard work being a citizen & the illegals should do the same. They don't see it as "ethnic cleansing" at all.
The established Hispanic & Asian families, where I'm from originally, all sponsored their extended family members to become US citizens. Took them a long time but they did it and I see no reason why others don't or won't do the same.

Sandy, that is quite likely. In fact, I bet it's more likely than the scenario I theorized about below. I'll bet you're exactly right.

Left-Wing? mmm, please talk don't make me laugh.

I think Fernando is an Anglo who employes illegals and is worried that he will now have to pay a living wage. Just my mind wandering here.

Fernando, cry me a river. Sandy, to answer your question I don't think Fernando is an immigrant or even Hispanic. I think Fernando is an Anglo pretending to be an immigrant outraged by this necessary law, either the live-in girlfriend of an actual illegal or a left-wing fanatic. The show he puts on here is amusing, though....

I need to add this. My great grandmother was of Hispanic decent. She was here LEGALLY. I have a great-great grandmother that was a German immigrant and she became a citzen.

I am an American citizen, Paul maybe it was you who gets those 12yr old pregnant.

Paul from Edmond. Regarding your comment about the illegal 12 yr olds that are pregnant. Do You actually come all the way from Edmond and stake out in front of Crooked Oak school? Do we need to be concerned about your activies?

Fernando..are you here legally?

Kimberly, how dare you say this is a slap to legal residents or naturalized citizens. I am one of those naturalized citizens and I don't find it slao in the face. I find that this HB an ethnic cleansing aimed at the hispanics.

Part of what sparked all of this up was post 9/11. The govenment observed that if it was so easy for hispanics to cross the border, it must be equally easy for terrorists to go to Mexico and come across as well. That's when they began to evaluate border security everywhere; ports, borders, airports, etc. THEN after the demonstrating hispanics marched for rights and rubbed the country's nose in it, everyone realized we had a much bigger problem than just the border. This wouldn't be such a big deal if the state government hadn't waited so long to implement such sweeping reform. I'm glad the bill has gone into effect, and I'm equally anxious to see what, if any, ramifications it causes. As far as coverage, I only see opposition to the new law on this post. Nothing earth shattering on TV; local or national. It's obvious given the lax number of signatures on the petition, most of us here in Oklahoma are for the bill. And it's not like they HAVE to go back to Mexico, they just can't stay here in Oklahoma. If they do, they'll get a free ride back to Mexico compliments of the Department of Homeland Security if apprehended. It's a beautiful thing...... CRAP, so do we have to pay for that too?

Kimberly, how dare you say this is a slap to legal residents or naturalized citizens. I am one of those naturalized citizens and I don't find it slao in the face. I find that this HB an ethnic cleansing aimed at the hispanics.

Judge Payne deserves a round of applause for bucking the trend and siding with America, not Mexico.

So does the state of Oklahoma.

Hopefully, this will set a precedent and other states will follow suit.

Enforce existing immigration laws. What a concept!

Rufus, spencer......agreed

Fernando, obviously you don't know your history very well. First they had to have some money, family or sponsor here and be able to speak some english, be in good health, as in under go a physical. As for being a nazi, that was before WW11 and not a question. How bout being on a boat with your father and leaving your mother behind because she needed to take care of her ailing mother and un-selfishly want a good life for her 8,11 & 13 year old children. I am well aware of what my family had to go through. I also know that if I want to go to Mexico I need $10,000 and a job waiting for me that would support me.. Pull your head out of the sand Fernando and join the real world. I don't you or anyone else a free ride. Would you come into someone's house illegally? Not with out being arrested. Illegal is illegal. It has nothing to do with who comes to our country. It has to do with breaking the law. I you were so happy in Mexico, go back and change your country.

I have to laugh when I read things like "Who will biuld your houses" or "Mow your lawn"...
My family built our house from the ground up, we mowed (and still do) our own lawns.
I've been through two immigrant migrations in my hometown, first wave of LEGAL Hispanics & second wave of LEGAL Asians. These people worked damn hard to get here, going through the correct & LEGAL channels to become USA citizens, facing the hardships of learning a new language (English), getting established, & being accepted into the local community. I grew up with their children, tried learning a bit of their native languages & culture.
These established LEGAL immigrants, that are now LEGAL US citizens, are important contributors to our community.
I welcome any LEGAL immigrants but the illegals can go back to their country of origin & return through the proper channels. Too hard some of you say? Too bad, others before them have done it & it's a slap in the LEGAL naturalized citizens' faces whom have done the hard, long trial of getting through the LEGAL process.

What I wonder is, Mexico has the World's 12 best economy. They have 12 million plus of their people in the US illegally. The illegals march on Washington and state governments for their rights. WHY DON'T THEY GO HOME TO MARCH FOR THEIR RIGHTS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES??? MEXICO IS NOT A POOR COUNTRY AT ALL, THEY ARE WEALTHY.

Houses got built, dishes got washed, lawns got mowed long before this issue and these things will continue to occur long after this issue is setled. Americans have always rolled up their sleeves and done what they have to do to live. Illegal immigrants leaving or being deported wont stop these things from being done. The majoity of AMERICANS are hardworking decent folks who are just trying to take care of their families.

I agree with Rufus, this is land does NOT belong to the hispanics. It never belonged to Mexico. I think they need a history lesson before they come back here. It belong to the indians way before any of us that settled here. So if they want to be a citzen they need to do it legally just like my ancestors did.

Fernando, Enid,thatis one of the problems they are comming in with no type of check at all

America is a land of many colors! There once was a man who thought he could get rid of groups of people. We have to embrace our differences, there is room at the top for everyone! CMO

Fernando, just because someone wants to come to this country and live, doesn't mean we have to let them. It's a privilege to be an American citizen, not a right, we have a right to say NO!!!

Sure why not.

Unless we are willing to take necessary steps, like leeches attaching to a new blood supply, illegals will continue to overrun our borders, draining valuable resources earmarked for your children and mine, paid for with our tax money. And, like those pesky relatives who sometimes come to visit but seem to never leave, at some point the vacation ends.” Its time to go home”, you say.

Andrew, Lawton.....i will have to take a look into that.it would not surprise me.

Sandy you grandparents immirgated to the US legaly. that is funny, because it was so easy to come here then. You just needed to arrive here and follow the health checks and pass it, tell the officals that you are not a nazi and boom you are here llegally. Do you know the process now compare to then?

Hispanic activists started this fight be telling Illegals they could organize and tell citizens that this was "their land" and all of us could go back home to africa and europe... WRONG....1804 ADIOS...

Amen, Sandy, good post.

Fernando: Why don't you just shut up and head south with the rest of the illegals. Or, maybe Harvey will invite you to the Indian reservation with him.

All the lawn mowing jobs? What ever. I mowed as a child. The reason it is not done anymore because people are lazy to do it on their own. God forbid they don't want their child to get injuired that is why children don't mow anymore. When ever I was going to college I worked at Pizza Hut and at Braum's. Anyone who wants to work will find a job, at any fast food. Also Foy not all American are like you. Have you every seen a homeless person who has a sign that says "Will work for food.", take that person to the nearest McDonalds and help them apply for a job there. I have tried and i was told to f#@$ of. That is what is wrong w/ the US. It is not illegal immigration it is the homeless.

For those of you who have not had the privilege of seeing the mexican flag raised over a business here on the south side or a group of Hispanics that live two houses down from you harass you and other people in the neiborhood and tell you that this is there land now and its time for the gringo to leave are really missing out. I am sure this is not the attitude of all Hispanics or expect it to be do to the fact the Hispanics on the other side are the best neighbor’s one could have. But when I see and hear this I have a problem just like I would with any race that would do this. I don’t care if it was hillbilly bob, I would have a problem. But when this is happening across the United States then it makes people resentful. And for some reason out of all the ill eagle immigrant that are coming over I have only noticed Hispanics causing the biggest fuss. Why is that? This is not a case of a few; this is a case of millions. It’s too bad that they chose to organize and march across the United States, wave the Mexican flag and tell U.S citizens to get out that this land is there’s. I believe that’s what really sparked the problem. We were being shoved around by Hispanics and didn’t like it very well and shoved back and now they don’t like it since they have been able to run over any one by simple invasion by numbers or by law suits keeping the path clear. It’s too bad that a group of radical Hispanics ruined it for the rest. I wonder (not really) who is really to blame for this problem. Or did 80 percent of Americans wake up one day and think hey, I think we will mess with Mexicans. Every action has a reaction.

For the record, a child of an illegal alien couple is not a US citizen. IF the child has one american parent he is a citizen....Sooooo, the children will go with the parents. They will adjust the same as other children have from the beginning of time. I know lots of latino's who have gotten a darned good education in mexico. Same as in our country. A good education = a better future. As to the Indian/native american thing. My Great-grandmother's family immagrated from Germany, legally and according to a diary she kept it was no easy hop on a luxury ship and come on over. Lots of rules to be followed a lot of humiliation to be suffered. They obviously felt the rules were worth the opportunity. Now for the kicker. My Great-grandfather was a full blood Crow Indian. He met and fell in love with her and married her. He must have welcomed her into this country.His opportunity to meet her was through his education and the job he got because of it. Does that make me a German-Indian/American??? Opps! I forgot about my French and Irish side of the family. Isn't it strange that every member of my legal immigrant family learned english and wanted so desperately to be American. I can't remember a German flag/French flag/or Irish flag being flown above the american flag. In fact they didn't bring their flags here they came prepared to be Americans. As to who will was dishes? Maybe some of our native born healthy welfare collecting people could give work a try. After all we all start some place.

Yes, I am an "OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE U.S.A." and proud of it. I also believe in Merle Haggard's song that says: "If you don't like it, leave it, cause when you are running down our country, you are walking on the fighting side of me."

Fernando_ do yo have a job? Yesterday you spent the entire day making the same pointless statements as you are today.

Teddy Roosevelt: Openly supported a bill in the New York State Assembly which allowed desegregation of schools in the state, personally noting that his children had been educated with other races and there was nothing wrong with it.
Appointed the Collector of the Port of Charleston post to an African-American, Dr. William D. Crum, and when he was urged to withdraw the appointment, wrote the following:
I do not intend to appoint any unfit man to office. So far as I legitimately can, I shall always endeavor to pay regard to the wishes and feelings of the people of each locality; but I cannot consent to take the position that the doorway of hope - the door of opportunity - is to be shut upon any man, no matter how worthy, purely upon the grounds of race or color. Such an attitude would, according to my contentions, be fundamentally wrong.
Defended the Postmaster of Indianola, Mississippi, Minnie D. Cox. She was an African-American, and on that basis alone she was threatened with mob violence and was forced to resign. Roosevelt took action by closing the post office there, ignored her resignation, and still paid her what she was due as if nothing happened.[21]

Is Fernando racist? Bigot? Ignorant? You bet he is.

Harvey: So the illegals are going to move onto Indian land huh? Have you been around very many Indians? Well, I have. You illegals would not last one day with the Indians. When you start pushing and demanding that they change their culture to satisfy what you illegals want, you would find yourselves in the bottom of a big open well. You illegals should rethink your position on that one. Also, I suggest you read up on the laws pertaining to Indian law and the State. I think you just may be in for a big surprise.

Was Roosevelet racist? Bigot? Ignortant? You bet he was.

Hilario,
Yes I can imagine what life will be like without them. Life in the 1970's when I was growing up was quite peaceful. And there are millions of US Citizens that are out of jobs that worked in the construction industry. I had 3 hours of carpentry every day when I was a 10th, 11th and 12th grade in high school. Thank God that I had the intelligence to further my education and get a Computer Programming Certification. If I wouldn't have I would be one of the millions out of work or working for less than minimum wage. My Grandfather, Father, and Uncle were all carpenters and built a lot of the houses standing in SW OKC. They were proud of their profession and did a good job. When I was a child I mowed lawns for extra cash, don't see that happening today. "Why?" you ask, because the illegal aliens have taken all the lawn mowing jobs. When I was taking my computer classes guess where I worked. McDonalds. I wonder how many people taking college courses are working at McDonalds today. Very few I bet because the illegal aliens have taken those jobs also. After I graduated from computer school I went to work doing one of those "jobs Americans won't do" I hustled jugs on the jugline doing seismic work and liked it. I was in top physical condition. I worked my way up from jug hand to Observer. I did that work for 10 years. Then I was working for a seismic company based in Plano, Tx. and we finished up our work in Louisiana and was told to bring in the trucks to the yard for a Christmas break. When we got there we were laid off. The next Monday my recorder was sent out with a whole new crew of guess what, "illegal aliens". I know how this works all too well. So I figure after all the illegal aliens go home our children can get up off their butts and go get a part time job, or mow lawns and get a taste of what life will be after they get out of school. I think it will be a brighter future for Oklahoma and the US especially after the SAVE act is passed. Within 4 years of the SAVE act being ratified every employer in the US will have to verify immigration status of every employee. I ave nothing against the Mexican people, I have a lot of friends that are Mexican's who came here "LEGALLY", and probably some of them illegally. But we have laws and they must be followed. I have to live by the laws and everyone else should also.

Everyone's a racist, eh Fernando?? Give it up, the race card is a dead horse in this issue, quit beating a dead horse.

Harvey: You are a good one to talk about anyone's feminine emotions. It is you that is doing all the moaning and groaning. Your remark about "FEMININE EMOTIONS" shows that you do not respect females too much. Oh, I forgot, you are married to a Mexican female and they don't expect respect from their men.

Also Ronald Roosevelt also thought "seperate but equal" was ok, women should not vote, Native Americans were not citizens

ABOUT TIME! This law has NOTHING to do with racism. Illegal means ILLEAGLE--no matter who you are or where you're from. Soory about the kids, but the parents, though probably for the most part well intentioned, are wrong. I for one, am tired of Mexican flags (excpt at their restaurants, which I generally like) being waved and the Spanish language being thrust upon me. The REAL CULPRITS here, however, are the rats among us who hire them, rent to them, pandor to them and use their numbers to make money--ie. the Spanish speaking radio stations, businesses with Spanish signs, etc. THOSE people are as bad as the illegales. For example; here in the Dallas area, channel 5 (NBC) puts Spanish subtitles on many programs--whether I as a consumer like it or not--clearly to attract Mexican viewers. Not only is it an offense to me, but it blocks part of the screen I am trying to watch! I'm tired of contractors (a MAJOR reason for the problem) using them, not to mention the fact that I hear how no Americans will do their jobs. BALONEY--I mowed yards as a youngster, and so would someone today. How is it that we always had dishwashers in restaurants before? Yeah, mayabe we save a little money on having a home built or for our hamburger to be made, but we're paying a LOT more for the services we're giving the illegals who are supposedly saving us those few dollars. This is just as much about the greed of those who hire them as it is about the breaking of the law by the ones who are hired. In addition, if these folks would quit having babies like rabbits (yes, like rabbits), do something about taking away the corruption in their own country and stay home, they'd have a great life. C'mon, Mexico is basically a BEAUTIFUL place with VAST natural and human resources--there is no reason why it can't be one of the greatest places on earth to live--it could be a paradise! Will that ever happen? Of course not--too much corruption and too many people having too many children for not enough food and money. Name me one place where the Spanish invaded that does not have the same problem...Mexico, no. The Phillipines?, no. Anywhere in South or Central America? no. Puerto Rico?...hmmm, no. Cuba? Hell no! San Salvador?, no. The list goes on and on--it's always poverty and revolution, poverty and revolution. The reasons are historic. The Catholic Church helped in these colonizations with the express orders of making the areas Catholic. So, when the Spanish arrived, conquered and started breeding with the natives we got what we have today..poverty caused by no birth control and greedy corrupt governments. This is not racist--just fact. There is no middle class in those countries--a person is either rich or poor (mostly the latter, obviously0. It's a shame, and horrible for the people. Should we help? Yes, but the only way I see to do it is through education and effort within their own countries. I'm all for chairity, but no at the expense of my own children. This is just like the drug problem. Both the user and the manufacturer are to blame.

Ronald, good post. But of course that would mean kicking out all the people that call themselves, "African Americans" as well. And why do they do that? Do black people in Germany call themselves, "African Germans"?

Go ahead. Kick us out. But who will be here to wash your dishes at a restaurant, roof your houses, and mow your lawns? Who will make your burritos or frame your houses? Who will keep your doctors and nurses busy by getting health care for free? Who will keep your police busy investigating idenity theft if we are not here with our 20 kids that need stolen social security numbers? Suckers!!!

Earth to newsok.com....get over it...move on. Your media blitz didn't work and didn't succeed in giving Oklahoma the impression that the majority was against the bill (a paltry 1001 signatures???). I can only lay blame at the editor's feet... move on to a different paper.

The year is 1907, one hundred years ago......


Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin . . .
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American
and nothing but an American . . . There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American
at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag . . .
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language . . .
and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'

Hilario, I mow my own lawn, grew up doing farm work and never saw illegals building homes in Oklahoma prior to 1986. The only thing illegals have brought to oklahoma is lower wage and increased crime..

I think a lot of you are missing the bigger picture here. There's something far more sinister at work than simply illegal aliens coming across the border and unwittingly (mostly) contributing to the downfall of this great nation. Since 2001, we've had more and more of our rights taken away and more Big Brother in our lives. Just go to an airport if you think I'm joking. The police state is here! At the same time, the Dept. of Homeland Tyranny has failed to adequately protect this country by keeping the borders wide open. Chertoff and company have allowed our great nation to be overrun by people who don't fully understand or appreciate our culture and laws. That is a problem. Have you heard how many Americans have been kidnapped or murdered along the US/Mexican border? We're talking about a hardcore criminal network of Latin American drug dealers and sex slavers - and worse - invading our country - out in the open! Now, I'm not lumping the innocent roofer or dishwasher from Tampico in with that designation, but it does exist. Just try to walk the streets of Laredo, TEXAS if you don't believe me. That is in America,y'all!
As the dollar continues to be devalued, wages go down and Latin American gang members are entering the US military (to become citizens) and learning the ways of warfare so when they get out (if they survive the Iraq meatgrinder) and they will know how to better defeat an enemy gang - our the streets of our nation. That is another big problem you race pimps haven't considered.

I applaud Terrill and the others in the Legislature for taking action and facing this issue directly. And yet the leading presidential candidate - Hillary Clinton - can't answer a question honestly - whether the state of New York can give drivers licenses to illegals. This woman is popular! So, we are in for some rough seas, gang. At least the state of Oklahoma can shine as a beacon of freedom and the rule of law in a nation where our Constitution and laws have been trampled and ignored for so long.

DON'T TREAD on ME!

To reply about the fact that illegal aliens are breaking the law and that most people do in fact, break laws. The fact remains that, when any citizen is caught breaking a law there is a penalty. Illegals are breaking the law by being here without permission and there is a now a penalty.

There is nothing racist about the new law, it works the same if the violator is Hispanic, black, white, Oriental or other. The only factor being considered is the legality of their presence in the U.S. Playing the "race card" is juvenile, at best because the LEGAL aliens are more than welcome here. That is the difference some apparently refuse to see.

Candace, farming in Oklahoma is mechanized. They no longer pick cotton, all done by huge combines and tractors, the same with grain..

i hope all you people get what you want. I hope that all the illegals get sent back to Mexico or wherever they are from. Could you imagine what it would be like without them. Who is going to build houses, mow lawns and work hard so that you people can take the easy jobs and sit in an office with a/c. I will bet my life that you people are not going to go get a job that requires you to break your back. You all have it all wrong, these people dont come here and expect everything to be served on a "silver platter". They work hard and there is no doubt about it. As for their kids, immigrants didnt bring them here to put them in danger, they brought them here for a better education. They came here so that their children could live a decent life. Why else would they have come here to break their backs, when they could have just stayed in Mexico and had an easier life. of course they would have never been able to do anything with their lives but they would not have had to work for ungreatful people. If all the illegals were to leave, you would miss them. I bet you need them more than they need you.

Candace the same thing it did last time , it had no affect !

I have always advocated building the fence on the South Mexican border. It is about 12th the distance and we can work closely with Mexico and Canada and fulfill what was intended with the North America Free Trade agreement. Plus, I know that the natural resources of Mexico will be readily shared with America-ie. OIL. Mexico is a member of OPEC. Just a thought, I don't mean to alienate the rest of south or central America.

Whoever wrote the bill knows that illegal aliens would not come here if someone did not hire them. If the companies who hired illegal aliens were brought to task, then we would not have a problemo. Our legislatures are run by the big money people, people... The hispanic vote can do away with this ruling. Most of the crops get out of the field with people from Mexico. If they suddenly, did not show up for work one day who would do it? Huh?

Well, when I go to a McDonalds nowadays, my order is usually wrong, not because of someone being illegal, but because of lack of communication because someone can't speak English and I'm not good with Spanish. There is only one way to Heaven, through Jesus Christ, and God won't allow any other kind of immigration.

THIS Action is LONG Past Due. Legal Immigration or NO Immigration must be the enforcement of the Law. America and Oklahoma are in need of a return to the RULE OF LAW!

Never could stand McDonald's Albert..

Antonia, I agree that anyone who can work should work. Welfare is not a hispanic-only situation. But this is about the illegal situation. If an illegal works for cash only, there are not taxes, etc. going to welfare anyway. Now if an illegal becomes legal, then he/she pays taxes and probably makes a better wage than they were making on a cash-payment job. Not to mention, when there are no people who will work for such minimally paying jobs, the pay for those jobs will go up until someone will do the jobs.

well oklahoma good luck is all i got to say is when you go to mc donalds and your waiting for ever to get you food you'll know why and don't for get that god will hold you for every work and thought that comes from you so may god blees all of you

This kind of goes with what Teresa is saying. Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all
the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters: You are Required to let me stay in your house You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan You are Required to Educate my kids You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part). If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, iced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.

you are right, Teresa...unfortunately, it's all about the easy way. That's what has created this situation. People who do things the easy way, as opposed to the right way, are the same ones who are fighting to allow the illegal behavior. I wish they would follow your advice though!

Im tired of people refering this to just hispanics.their are other types of immigrants.and for your information,at the end of the year these people that have worked hard for such little pay all year cannot claim their taxes,that money goes to the american citizen's that want to sit at home make babies and collect help from the government bc their to lazy to get up from their couch and look for a job.so before anyone starts pointing fingers to people that cannot stand up for themself's they need to get their facts straight.

If the process to become legal is too hard, then put your energy and focus on changing that. If you feel these people need to be here, then work on getting them here LEGALLY. How are these people being helped by letting the status quo continue? They have to live afraid, have to work for peanuts, paid under the table? Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if instead of fighting to let the illegals stay, you work on trying to help them become legal?

I agree, I'm glad Oklahoma took a stand.

Even if the supreme court overturns this - I'm proud that as a whole, Oklahoma has stood up for itself!

Terry said "You cannot tell someone to come into your house and then not let them sit on your couch." But I didn't tell them to come into my house. They barged in and helped themselves to my home. That is the difference.

Nevertheless, they do use the welfare...it's much more obvious who is here illigally than who is here legally & abusing the system. It's not about singling out any particular people...like I said, you've got to start somewhere & they've started with people who are here illegally.

I am not a lawyer, but the Supreme Court may decide that Oklahoma has usurped Federal authority in the matter of immigration with HB 1804. The US Constitution gives the court authority over the constitutionality of all laws dealing with alien citizens. Here is the relevant part of the Constitution giving the court that authority:

"The Supreme Court shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction of:All actions or proceedings by a State against the citizens of another State or against aliens."

Does anyone on here even know the process required to become legal?

Albert, what is so hard about it? Not everything will be handed to you. When I do my taxes each year, it's not the easiest thing to do, but I can't cry to the IRS "It's too hard!"; I hire a CPA. If I go to court and can't understand the legalese, I don't cry "It's too hard!"; I hire an attorney. If it's too hard, illegals need to find someone to help them.

but when you single out one set of poeple your all wrong they work and that's all they want not walfare

Terry, you probably LOVE the "press 1 for English" don't you? Wanting to change reality to fit what you prefer...

Albert, they are also criminals - and if caught, they'll be prosecuted. I'm not saying the state will be perfect now, but you've got to start somewhere.

Harvey's an idiot. Wait. Or was it Terry?

And Oh, please change the word "Alien" to "Immigrant", after all they all came from the same planet, not from MARS. They are human beings too.

Yes harvey, you are quite the intelligent man. You should be proud.

rebecca people here do that there the one's who show them how to do that

terry, it's illegal. and it is a criminal act, that's why it sounds criminal.

Janice and Rebecca-Janice I am glad you are shouting at me. It shows that I am in control of your feminine emotions. Ha! This old man's still got it! Rebecca my dear, I am glad you are able to have an emotion such as embarassment. I wouldn't think with a closed mind one would be able to have the ability to feel that.

scott if it were that easy they would but we make it hard for anyone not just mexicans to stay here

albert, it's rebecca & sure they work for what they get. Then they keep every penny while a chunk of what I work for pays for their families welfare.

Personally I dont like the word "illegal" it sounds like the person is a criminal. Please change it and use "unlicensed" or "undocumented".

For that matter, ANYONE point out what is unconstitutional about hb 1804 and which article it is violation of.

Let's be honest with ourselves here people. The Rep who wrote this has and will always have hidden motives for what he does. I've heard him speak and lets just say this its not pretty, he sounds angry and hateful but hey we elected him and thats what he choose to do for the people. Thats why next time lets be smart how we vote. Second all of you just fighting on here is crazy. If must of you ever stop to think about it most of your ancestors went through the same thing. Irish, Asian, Black, ect, it doesn't matter where you came from the reason your here is because your past family was being oppressed and thats why they are here now. I agress that we have a problem and that maybe not the high quality of people are coming over into this country, compared to 20 years ago but we must be humane in the way we represent our selfs as the United States of America. We fight for the people lets never forget that. Thats what makes us great.

Point out one thing Fernando about this bill that is unconstitional. Just one..

rebeeca they don't ask for it to be free they work for what they can get

David, Just a shot in the dark here do you my son Dustin, From Wimington?

Fernando, what languages do they speak in Puerto Rico?

A true American would look at the unconstitutonality of this HB and ban this.

U.S.A. is called the land of the immigrants and the land of opportunity. Immigrants come here all over the world to find peace and hapiness and to have a better life. Unlicensed immigrants come here not to rob, steal, or kill people. They work hard and provide to the economy. Ofcourse they send money to their original country to support their families who are not here yet, and cannot earn to provide themselves, there is nothing wrong to that. Who build you houses, who mows your lawns, etc. They are already here, so why let them in the first place. You cannot tell someone to come into your house and then not let them sit on your couch. Unlicensed and undocumented immigrants ofcourse would pay taxes but the employers are paying them in cash so they wont be in trouble. Its not the immigrant's fault, they dont have a choice. So stop letting them in before you kill their dream they have already built without harming anyone.

Terrill I am ashamed on calling you an American.

Does anyone have a problem giving illegals 6 months to a year to become legal?

i pay my taxes too but there no one haveing kids like myself 1 kid they buy in stores food and other thing they spend there money and pay sales taxes and fix the dab part of town they move into. if there gov. would give them permission to come here we wouldn't be have this problem i from san antonio seen it all my life they just want to work and the'll do the job you won't

For those who think that English should be the Offical US language, what do we do to our island of Puerto Rico. English will never be the only offical language there.

YAY!!! Oklahoma I AM so PROUD of YOU!!! Illegal means ILLEGAL...No matter HOW you try to get around IT!

Albert, you are forgetting about how Illegal's laugh at our laws, and have been for years. One illegal came to Oklahoma years ago, went home and told his friends and relatives what a bunch of push overs we are. Now that same Illegal is going home and telling his friends and relatives not to come to Oklahoma because we'll toss them in jail.

HARVEY: IT IS TALK LIKE YOURS THAT GOT H.B. 1804 PASSED. STOP TRYING TO PUSH AND MAKE DEMANDS ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!! WE DO NOT HAVE TO SIT BACK AND TAKE IT ANYMORE. SO, SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH. YOU QUOTE THE BIBLE, WELL LIVE UP TO THE BIBLE WHICH SAYS, "OBEY THE LAWS OF THE LAND." H.B. 1804 IS ONE OF THE LAWS OF THE LAND, SO OBEY IT!!!!!!!

albert you are trying to twist the issue - wait that's the speciality of criminals, isn't it? WE are trying to protect the dream - YOU are trying to tear it down and give it away!

very mature, albert. I pay my taxes, I abide by the law of this state & nation. Can you say the same? People who defend this ridiculous issue so adamently are probably the ones either breaking the law or benefiting from those who do.

How sad.

Two (2) year felony prison sentence. That is what the current law of Mexico states for illegal immigrants. That is why I laugh at the hypocracy of the illegals when they protest our efforts at curbing illegal immigration.
You want a cheap workforce that will work hard? Try hiring one of our many in-state ex-felons. For those who are making the effort of changing their lives a job would make a world of difference.
By the way, for those who say crimes are not being committed by illegals are either wildly naive or never watched the news.

we made the dream that we and all that came here could have a good living

rebecca go and walk your dog in your nice yukon you don't know anything

Terry, my ancestors were here l-o-n-g before this country was the United States. So if you're trying to use the dried up argument that we invaded, you're wrong. As for your previous statement that these people aren't criminals, they most certainly are. What part of illegal don't you understand?

terry, there weren't illegal aliens 200 years ago - at least not in this country. It was open to all. That IS NOT the case anymore. There are now laws that you must follow. Do you know this country's history?

Too many people are taking this way too personal and not looking at the whole issue. First of all there is a federal law against entering this country illegally. Anyone who does this knows they are breaking the law. To come anyway and expect exceptions to be made is pure arrogance. Too many industries closed down and moved to Mexico, putting tens of thousands of Oklahomans out of work, shortly thereafter they found themselves competing for the jobs that were left with people who had no right to be here. Wages were depressed, high school kids had difficulty getting part time jobs, schools are overcrowded, crime increased, diseases once eradicated reared their ugly head, jails and prisons overflowed and more than $200 million a year of taxpayer money was spent on people who did not speak English. Enough is enough! Laws are made to protect people, not to punish people. Those who choose to break the law suffer the consequences and I have no sympathy.

Most of you will remember this is Randy Terrill's second attempt to get laws passed to protect Oklahoma taxpayers. The State Chamber of Commerce and the Hispanic leaders played a big part in getting the 2006 bill killed. State senators who knuckled to them last year got an earfull at home and stumbled all over each other to cosponsor HB1804. Someone asked earlier who voted against it. In the Senate McIntyre, C.Johnson, Coates, Liberlance, Crutchfield and Morgan. There were 14 in the House but I do not have their names.

HB1804 is not designed to punish anyone either. It is designed to protect Oklahoma jobs and taxpayer funds for Oklahomans and to DISCOURAGE people who have no right here from coming here. My biggest problem with the illegal aliens from Mexico is they live in crowded conditions and send money they earn here out of the country instead of putting it back in the local economy. Second, I have had friends who lost their job or were not hired for a job because they are not bilingual. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making a State law that is equal to Federal law. So give it up. The United States of America has the most liberal and generous immigration laws of any nation on the planet. Go home! use them to return legally, and when you come back make an effort to become one of us instead of trying to force us to become like you.

I applaud Randy Terrill and Judge Payne.

Yawn...Same tired old spin Terry. This is Oklahoma, the law says, "out with the illegals".. get used to it or move to texas...

200+ years ago, who were illegal aliens ? I need an answer.

Dora: You are so very wrong when you tell me that I know nothing about immigration procedures. I happen to have a cousin that married a Hispanic and I know what they had to do for his wife to become legal. So see, you don't have any idea what you are talking about!!! CRY,CRY, WHINE, WHINE, GIMMEE, GIMMEE.........

And by the way - they are ILLEGAL which makes them CRIMINALS by definition. Hello? Do you have any kind of education at all????

One thing that has me feeling a little better is that this law has NO EFFECT on children in schools illegal or not. All children regardless of national origin have a right by federal law to a free education. That is something that Randy Terrill cannot take away from his fellow humans beings.

Kudo's to the Oklahoma Legislature for listening to the wishes of majority and voting as the majority wanted.

Unfortunately in Texas we have a person who acts as a Governor until the majority speaks and then the Governor acts as he wants while ignoring the majority's wishes. Our Texas Legislature is led around like a herd of sheep by special interest groups and cower down to the Latino lobby. Our Texas politicians could use some of the gumption that Oklahoma has shown in this illegal immigration issue.

A major problem with the new Oklhoma law is that Texas will now have hundreds of thousands of new illegal immigrants crossing the Red River in a south bound direction. Well at least when I travel to Norman for OU games the lack of visible illegal immigrants will bring back old memories of when I was raised in Oklahoma 40+ years ago.

Thanks Oklahoma

Harvey & Fernando...you are both embarrassing. Your cause would be better served if you kept your mouth shut.

who else is going to support this counrty when there kids are paying taxes and the whites are having one kid and there having 5 kids who are going to pay for you ss check when you get old what if when they have it all because there paying the taxes they say no more to ss to bad were not paying no more they didn't want my parents here were not supporting you now

Illegal aliens are not criminals. They work hard and law abiding. Name an illegal alien who robbed a bank or killed a clerk at a convenient store. They are all originally from here. As a US citizen, i think we need to take care of the fugitives first that are criminals and deport them to jail.

I wish this program had spell check. Some of these postings are hard to understand. People, pride yourself on being able to spell.

I have no problem with anyone coming here legally, but it isn't fair for someone living here illegally to have better benefits than someone living here legally. If there is a problem with the legalization process, then fix that. I have worked in situations where workers had social security numbers that you know weren't theirs, but you couldn't prove it. One employee had left and came back later, having a completely different drivers license and social security card. If you are an illegal going to a hospital for treatment, you don't have to pay for it, and it is written off. However, a legal citizen who goes and shows ID will be harrassed by a collection agency for payment. I think illegals should be given a period of time (6 months to a year) to become legal. I think during this time they should register for everything that all other legal citizens have to register for. I'm even fine with them voting because they should also be able to choose the direction the country rolls. JUST BE LEGAL. It's not fair for a school to have to employee teachers for English as a Second Language classes; kids should have to learn English on their own time. GET LEGAL THEN GET THE BENEFITS. It's not a matter of skin color, IT'S LEGAL VS. ILLEGAL.

Give us a break lynn, vow to fight it all you want you and your bleeding hearts that are ashamed of Oklahoma and America for this?This is not the land rush days America is not open just to take what you want.Aong as this is allowed and illegals keep coming nothing will change in thier own country, therefore thier own country will never face problems of employment and living conditions.Thier solutions just like cuba is to say hey go to the U. S and let them deal with you they don't care they will take you in or take your chances living illegally there.Everybody wants to rely on us but they are they first throw stones when we intervine in other countries and try to make things better.Bottom line this is what it has come to deal with it or get out, I love this country and this state.

my other side of my family was part of the 13 colonys

Amazing! Good job to Judge James Payne! I just moved back to Edmond from El Paso, TX. And let me tell you, the Hispanic people who ARE LEGAL are agreeing with Judge Payne!

Nice lecture Jackie, Oklahoman's are tired lectures. Enter HB 1804, what a great day it is!!!

Amazing! Good job to Judge James Payne! I just moved back to Edmond from El Paso, TX. And let me tell you, the Hispanics people who ARE LEGAL are agreeing with Judge Payne!

does anyone know the meaning of the word illegal. for the love of money there are ways to come over here legally. swimming over or walking for days in the desert are not the way to do it. the real problem here is once they do get here they start multiplying like rabbits. yea i said it, multiplying like rabbits. and who gets stuck paying for all these illegal babies over here. one of the poorest states in the country. that's you people who are writing here, or at least most of you. i say you clean up the illegal situation and the whole state will be better off. it's no wonder okies are the butt of all jokes, it's idiots like you who say we are treating these people unfairly. wake up, the united states of mexico may not be that far off. idiots!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing! Good job to Judge James Payne! I just moved back to Edmond from El Paso, TX. And let me tell you, the Hispanics people who ARE LEGAL are agreeing with Judge Payne!

Why hold a grudge against your neighbor, he is probably, in the same boat as you, it is the big companies that run the chicken,pork and beef companies that are bringing illegals here to work under terrible conditions for their cheap labor... I don't see any of them going to jail or being arrested. They have paid someone to look the other way! People are people no matter what your race, be it Native people, white, black or yellow, everyone wants better life for our families and children and grandchildren.

Opponents of HB 1804, "Fight the good fight of faith"!!

Opponents of HB 1804, "Fight the good fight of faith"!!

"Hmmm, I wonder if all those illegal white immigrants from the 1700's through the 1900's will make their way back to Europe? I know my ancestors did not give you permission to come to this country. You came here on your own and brought pestilance, disease, and greed. Seeing the riches of the land, you could not wait to lie and steal your way into a nation. The US is great because your ancestors raised it on the backs of illegal immigration. If you want to kick out illegal immigrants, you need to look in the mirror. You might not like what you see. I wonder how long before you send them blankets laced with small pox and create the Bureau of Mexican Affairs to bumble their way with ineptitude! Most people are not aware that mexicans are a mixture of spanish and indian blood. That same indian blood was here centuries before any white man walked on this ground. You need to embrace them, because your family was once an illegal immigrant and they were not. They are lost brothers looking to make a life for themselves, just like your ancestors were so many years ago." Richard from Oklahoma
Thank You Richard, I support you!
All you ignorant racist, I wonder why you don't go back to Europe. The native Americans are the autentic Americans in the U.S. My couisin is an illegal immigrant. She's 24, a Harvard University student, works a full time job, pays taxes, and helps the community. Her illegal brother went to University of Illinois in Chicago. He has a Tae Kwon Do Academy, pays taxes and you tell me that the illegal immigrants come to this country to steal your jobs and money. They love this nation more than all of the racist Americans who only care about having a white empty coutry. Many of you, ignorant racists, depend on the money that comes from all the tickets the illigal immigrants pay for not having a driver's license because they can't get one. This country without immigrants wouldn't be the most powerful country in the world, and you wouldn't be here but only the Native Americans. You should educate yourself about history, you should read the bible to help you become a better person and to stop hating people that you don't even know. You should worry about all the real criminals that are killing, raping and perverting our children. May God Help You And Bless You!

Albert, Yes and Columbus "DISCOVERED" an "OCCUPIED" country! So your point is???

But thou, O man og God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professes a good profession before many witnesses. As much as I have enjoyed being a part of the free expression of ideas. I have my marching orders. American citizens with illegal mates and children of illegals are being denied the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For every illegal deported that injures an American Citizen, mate, child ect. there are the plaintiffs that suffer injury. I am faxing everyone and their brother with this course of action and I will even offer to pay the filing fee. I am now called to put my money where my mouth is. My actions have to reflect my convictions. I'll leave the "attempt" to educate you haters to Fernando. Rufus, the Tsitistas(Native Cheyenne tongue for Cheyenne people) are close enough to Yukon to take care of that area. Spencer is closer to where I am.

will se since nobody else was coming here while the rest of the oklamanans were leveing the state when i came here in 89 then oh the mexicans are here our numbers are going up in the state and our sales tax revanue is up thanks to the mexacans here you'll find out how they help you people out and my famaliy was on both sides of the alamo but have no comation for people since god gave us this land not man

Harvey: What is that little old sweet grandmotherly looking landlady of yours going to do now? I bet the IRS would like to know some things about her also, with you saying that she has everyone pay their rent in CASH. No paper trail? I would not be too sure of that!!!

Sandra in Oklahoma City: Whaat?

Way to go Oklahoma. Maybe the rest of the US will get with the program and get these ILLEGALS out of the US once and for all.
But don't stop with just the ones that get arrested, or apply for a free ride on Social Services. Round their butts up just like cattle and heard them out.
A real money maker for local communities would be for very heavy fines to landlords that rent to them, or anyone that employs them.

So what Albert. We won that battle. Could have gone the other way but didn't.

this state was part of mexico at one time do look up your history they familys were here with the natives long before this state

And....I never said I could spell.

Thats different Kenny. I have the intellenence to handle a divorce. There are many people who dont and do just walk away.

Sandra: Did the illegals think of the children? NO!!!! If they had, they would not have put their children in this situation. A pure case of child abuse and neglect. Don't try putting the blame on Randy Terrill . Put the blame where it belongs, on the parents of the children.

Be careful Robin, Harvey will buy Yukon from the Kiowa's and put 300,000 illegals there...

Harvey, I personally am all for you taking every illegal to your reservation, I hope the other native Americans dont mind & Please employee them in your casino, I am all for the Indians supporting these people so we dont have to . I hope it isnt a big burden on your free clinics, Harvey, I realize you are passionate about this but, I would think you could spend your time more productively as in trying to sponser a family to get legal status.

Hilario, the problem as I stated yesterday is, sure you would have come here illegally or done almost anything for your family as I'm sure some did... But once they got here so many years ago, and continuing to the present, I'd venture to say 95% don't and didn't ever seek citizenship, they just reaped whatever they could from the people and the goverment...
Now as far as education level goes, that does not quite cut it... There are alot of Mexicans/Latinos here legally and the Catholic Church I'm sure would point them in the correct direction for help...
Don't slight your own people...

i wonder who's going to do the work that they were doing since no one else will do it no more houses good thing there's a lot build that aren't selling more cost for foods that are sitting in the feilds going to bad

The asian immigrants come her legally, why is that if it is so hard to do??

Robin, there are some things even a gator won't eat ;)

I'm sorry to see such a hostile policy go into effect. I support anyone's right or desire to make a better life for themselves. If there weren't so many monetary obstacles and long waits in the way of someone's ability to become legal, maybe we wouldn't even be having this problem.

Guilt trips are a form of emotional blackmail, but then you already know that don't you Sandra? It's not any citizen's fault that these invaders came up here, now is it??

Donnie from Yukon states it takes too long and costs too much to come here legally, so it's easier to just come illegally. That's like saying my divorce was a long drawn out affair and cost a lot of money, so I should have just shot her and things would have been easier. Don't try to justify breaking the law. I'm sure lawbreakers have their reasons, but they also have to pay the price.

Those 6 lawmakers that voted against this bill will be voted out of office, rest assured of that my man. The People have spoken..

Rufus,I invite you to come along with me so you can personally walk in the shoes of an child, which parent are undocumented...........

Fernando, I'm fowarding yours to the Pych department also, you have issues!!

Sure you are Harvey, sure you are...LOL!!! You're going to buy spencer and exact revenge!!! I'm going to forward your posts to the Pysch department at OU, maybe their students can help you out..

I say fill the river with gators !!!!!

Rufus, I am calling the Kickapoo tribal headquarters right now and inquiring if any tribal members have land for sale near Spencer. Rabble rouser? Yeah, when there are challenges to anything someone always gets labeled. Yesterday, proponents were racist and haters, today opponents are bleeding hearts and rabble rousers. Whatever! I am a citizen of this state and nation and last I knew I am still entitled to voice my opinion.

Rufus-- If 99.9% of Oklahomans disagree with Harvey, then they are as stupid as you Rufus. There is no whay that there is 99.9% o f Oklahomans that stupid, let me explain for you. If has 3,750,000 people that would equal to 3,746,250 stupid people. (That also equals to 3,750 smart people.) There is no state in the union that is that stupid. There are many more people against HB1804. How many voted against it ? Only 6. If anyone knows who they are please let me know so I can write to them and give them my thanks. Those 6 are the men or women we need to combat or very own state civil war.

Rufus-- If 99.9% of Oklahomans disagree with Harvey, then they are as stupid as you Rufus. There is no whay that there is 99.9% o f Oklahomans that stupid, let me explain for you. If has 3,750,000 people that would equal to 3,746,250 stupid people. (That also equals to 3,750 smart people.) There is no state in the union that is that stupid. There are many more people against HB1804. How many voted against it ? Only 6. If anyone knows who they are please let me know so I can write to them and give them my thanks. Those 6 are the men or women we need to combat or very own state civil war.

Keep chirping with your rabble rousing nonsense Harvey. It's always "divide and conquer" with you race baiters isn't it? The posts I read are overwhelmingly in favor of this law, go ahead with some feable attempt to cry about it, the Judge threw out the frivilous lawsuit again..

aaron - don't get mad at us and come to our state.........just don't come at all!

Nice to see you Okies working to improve the daily lives of those in your state. I guess now I have to prove I'm a citizen when I come to the state. Whats next border guards checking your citizenship when you enter the state. Maybe the state should work on improving the economy so they can provide jobs for those who graduate from OSU and OU instead of finding ways to kick people out of the trailer parks that populate the state. Good riddence Oklahoma you always find a way to make me proud.

I have lived in Oklahoma all but 9 of the 55 years God has granted to me thus far. I am a 4th generation Oklahoman, my great-grandfather having made the Cherokee Strip run settling in Major County near Fairview. But I am deeply, deeply ashamed of my state for the first time in my life. I will stay here and fight this travesty till one day justice is done. This I vow.

With this bill Oklahoma has become a model for the other states. I am not sure what some people do not understand about the work illegal? I wish Indiana would adopt a similar law. I don't think it is racist or anti-Christian to ask people to obey the law.

Adios, ilegales. If you come back, please return legally and you will be welcome. Race is not the issue here, as some liberals would have you believe.

Rufus, your from Spencer, isn't that Kickapoo country. As an Indian I could purchase land from an individual Kickapoo, built huge apartment complexes on it and the very thing you fight against will be in your back yard. Ha! Ha! Ha! State Law is not enforceable on individual trust property. Of course I probably shouldn't argue with you, beings you come up with a figure of 99.9%. If there are in excess of 300,000 immigrants in Oklahoma City both legal and illegal. That is a large margin in Oklahoma City alone. Perhaps 99.9% if the Oklahomans in Spencer agree with you, you obviously don't get out much.

Yes he did, the children of the citizens of this great State whose future was compromised by greed corporations that pushed a right to work law so they could bring in illegals for cheap labor..

I ask myself did TERRILL think about the children

Mark the same as you are a citizen of this state and so am I. Your wishes are being heard and have become law. My bleeding heart has every right to work to REPEAL this law as your heart has to enjoy it. One thing you didn't know and here is another LEGAL challenge. All of you Native American mothers with immigrant children, move to your tribe or families trust property. A state law shouldn't affect the status of property held in trust. That is one of those other benefits and disadvantages of being Native American. That is right, you heard it. State law don't affect being on tribal trust property. There are requirements to recieve federal dollars that all federal laws have to be obeyed. However, state don't affect individual allotments and shouldn't affect tribal trust property. I know where there are real reservations it don't. There are ways around this law. What then do we have 1000s of empty rent houses in Oklahoma City. Cool, I would like to buy a house vacated by an illegal, or pay some dirt cheap rent. That scenario will be temporary and will be offset by the rise in wages, and the increased price of goods. Oh well, maybe any gains we get will be temporary, but lets take them while we can get them!

And please, no more ranting history lessons taken WAYYYY out of context to try an prove your point that it's OK for people to invade our country and thumb their nose at our laws.

It's a good thing that 99.9% of Oklahoma citizens disagree with you Harvey. The opinions of Illegals are invalid in this state.

Keith get your facts straight no ILLEGALS or PERMANENT RESIDENT can not vote.... It just letting everyone know your ignorance... the fact is only US CITIZENS like me vote

for all of you thinking they will all be split up and sent back its not going to happen.none of the states around us have this law.so for all you, we have to help the illegals, people just give them a map or point in any direction. they will be fine untill the state they choose does the same as oklahoma.no more bleeding hearts please.

The only problem I have is how it will affect the children. I am upset that the parents have put them at risk. Now, every one knows that all they have to do is cross into another state. None of them are going back to there home land. Why should they when a new job, school and house are just a state line away. The ones who worry and care for there families will move so as not to take a chance. We will be left with the rogue criminals that don’t care. All in all we will have to see how it works out. I do support 1804.

Im all for HB1804 but...you don't realize how hard it is for a mexican to cross our border legally. It takes piles of paperwork, 2 days to process, only 2 places to get it done, show proof of employment, family and property ownership and thats just to get a travel visa. We need a passport to cross into theit country. Most have only the required 3rd grade education or less and are not mentally capable of doing the required paperwork. If it's not perfect it's rejected.
It's far easier for them to take their chances and cross illegaly.

"I don't know of many Asian-Americans that are here illegally,” said Hung Le, chairman of the Governor's Advisory Council on Asian-American Affairs.

"I don't see it impacting the Asian community a whole lot,” he said.

If some of us complaint about illegal aliens then we're called racist.But the facts are that illegal aliens do come here illegally and get jobs with stolen Social Security numbers.They then sent 25 billion dollars a year back to Mexico, at the same time holding out their hand for public assistance. It costs the American tax payer around 50 billion dollars a year to pay for their Free medical care,Rent assistance,Food stamps,Translators for their children in our public schools and Free lunches. American cities along the border provide free emergency medical care for Mexican citizens, and what do the pregnant Mexican women do in return? They come across the border to have their babies ( American Citizens).How about Elvira Arellano and her child,she was deported came back,had the child and return to work with a stolen Social Security number,she also had been in our country for 10 years,but had to have a translator at her news conference! Earlier this year illegal aliens demonstrated in the streets of our cities demanding amnesty by flying the American flag upside down below the Mexican flag and carrying signs saying "this land is ours Gringo" I would ask the supporters of illegal aliens what do you tell the millions of immigrants waiting in other countries that want to come here legally? Just because we share a common border that they can wade across to get here,does not give them the automatic right to American Citizenship Its worth more than that! "

The owner of Lindo's (mexican restuarant) was named as a plaintiff without his knowledge or permission. Someone just called him and asked if his business had slowed down.

To the illegal Mexicans here who are complaining the most and loudest I say, "Hasta luego" you scum bags. Isn't it funny how you don't see Asians (for example) rallying and crying about this bill. Perhaps that's because most of them come here legally, don't ask us to change all our signs to their language and then rally against the people who are here LEGALLY and have the right to vote on these issues. I say don't provide ANY illegal ANY of the rights afforded in the Constitution. If you break the law to get here, why should you be afforded the rights under the law? You are asking for a double standard. You are saying you want to pick and choose which laws should be enforced so that it suites you best. Get em all out of the US and let them come back ONLY if they do it legally.

Why are the people posting here just referring to Mexican illegaly? The law is directed at everyone who is illegal. If things are so bad in the countries that the illegals came from the best solution would be for them to stay home and CHANGE their situation there. It's been done before. So if your illegal go home and give it a try. I welcome people of all races IF they are legal.

Hey, if those illegals wouldn't have thumbed their noses at the law laughing at the US for decades they wouldn't be in this pickle. I feel sorry for no one except our own kids whose futures were compromised by this invasive bunch!!

I'm glad to see Oklahoma take a stand aganist illegal immigration. I'm ready to move back. Here in California the illegals are changing the cultural and political climate. Elections are often decided by illegals voting. Most are hard working people, but the criminal element is overwhelming the state. Gangs are a serious problem, not just in the large cities. This is a federal problem that they have no will to solve. One party wants the cheap labor, the other wants the votes. Good luck Oklahoma!

Once again here are people that wish to save the world while neglecting to see who or what needs the saving here in our own country. Let me elaborate on that The process that it takes to obtain a work/school visa or, a green card is very time consuming but why shouldn't it be. What the problem we have with illegals is that they expect everything to come to them on a silver platter with a golden spoon it doesn't work like that. If you noticed the people that are complaining about the new law are the same people who would try to use the laws that we have to punish a man/woman for stealing food from their store to feed their family. What i am trying to get at with this is that is a person who illegally comes in to our state and receives a job, support, scholarships, and other benefits is stealing something from a person who pays taxes has that family to feed. If i can go to jail because i stole food for my family why should i feel sorry for someone who up to now could not be punished for holding a job that i could have used to support my family. Here is a little phrase that comes to mind Good things come to those that wait.

fellow Oklahomas think,is it right to break up families, not give jobs or houses to people who commited misdomenors? again according to the law they are not felons! its unusual and cruel, justlike the case of the black youth having consensual sex with another teen,and got ten years! longer that child molesters get, and child molestors can get houses and jobs! you treat blacks and hispanics worse than felons! does that not point to racism! and it makes us all look bad! the law! wtf,,, this law should be thrown out in that it is cruel and unusual punishment,,imagine if you got a speeding ticket and they took your children away, its the same thing,its insaine people,, God !

hilario well said, your a good human, I am sure that jesus has a place for you in heaven :) , I hope to see you in Gods kingdom,,brother

charlotte i agree with you, wholeheartedly. your are correct morally,ethically and christian ways. charlotte, most Americans supported the iraq war, and look at what it cost us. again we are wrong, and it will cost us. People are just blinded by thier biases. They dont think thru the consequenses of our actions, I have. Another black eye on the history of America, that will actually make things worse.

Another thing I keep hearing about, are scumbag lawyers, who took a lot of innocent families money, claiming they would help them "get legal" and then did nothing but steal their money. Since when is taking advantage of anyone okay! What is happening to our morals?

Whether the law is right or wrong, my heart is breaking for so many hispanic children out there that are scared to death! So many of their families will be ripped apart by this law. As a teacher, I am worried about my babies. A little girl was crying to me yesterday, wanting to know how she would go to school in Mexico, because she couldn't read or write in Spanish. My heart is breaking for these families. I'm not very proud of my state nor my country right now.

Whether the law is right or wrong, my heart is breaking for so many hispanic children out there that are scared to death! So many of their families will be ripped apart by this law. As a teacher, I am worried about my babies. A little girl was crying to me yesterday, wanting to know how she would go to school in Mexico, because she couldn't read or write in Spanish. My heart is breaking for these families. I'm not very proud of my state nor my country right now.

So, hilario, if we go to Mexico, would we be welcomed with open arms, a welcome basket of free medical care, college scholarships, welfare, rights. Would we be able to fly our flag hilario? Will they get my children a teacher that speaks English since they don't speak Spanish? You know the answer hilario. Who are you to tell us that we spend our money on things we don't need anyway? It is none of your concern what we spend our money on.
Jason, you are a great representative of the supporters. You are probably getting tired of the fact that you have to keep educating people, but you do it so well. :)

Also, The Grapes of Wrath was fiction. Sure, some of it was based on factual accounts, but fiction nonetheless. Dora, how do you feel about the Mexican Constitution?

you people make me sick. It hurts to see that you people are so selfish. Im hispanic, you all have no idea what it is like to be on both sides of the strugle. i understand how you people feel about immigrants breaking the law by coming here illegally, but put yourself in their position. You would break the law too, if thats what it takes to feed your family, i know i would kill for my family. Sometimes coming to this country legally is not an option, in most cases these people got rid of everything they had to pay someone to guide them across the border. Just imagine the situation they were in to be willing to lose everything just to go to some unknown land where they have to start from nothing. These immigrants are not here to invade our country, they are not here to take our jobs, or our money. They are here for a better future, after all this is the land of oportunity. Why are you people so selfish, why can't you folks let someone else have a shot at being great. It makes me mad see that alot of people who were fortunate enough to be born here, had opportunity at their feet, and have done NOTHING with their lives. Immigrants don't come to this country to waste time, they come here to do something, and im not talking about taking our jobs and lowering wages. If you think about it these people take unskilled jobs, i don't see anything wrong with that. Immigrants do the hard work, so that all you legal americans can go to school and be the boss. It makes no sense to me why people even bring this up as an argument. You all even cry about immigrants taking your tax dollars through welfare and medical benefits, i think you people need to open your eyes, people take advantage of these services all the time, and im not just talking about immigrants. I have seen whites pay with food stamps for groceries and then drive off in a brand new cadillac. If you were so worried about people taking your money then why do you just target the illegals. Besides you folks throw away your money on things you don't need anyway, im sure that immigrants have never made any american go hungry. You all need to quit being so hateful towards imigrants, they are human beings just like you and i. As for 1804, im not completely against it. I support the idea of sending all the felons back to their countries. They are just here "wasting time" and making us look bad. Welfare services do need to be more limited so that people will quit abusing them. the things that i don't agree with is that this bill is affecting those immigrants who are here just to do good. It hurts that this bill is taking ohlap and other scholarships from illegal students, it makes me feel like this bill is trying to put us down. i hope that everything turns out for the better though, for both sides. you people should be more forgiving towards other people, its not easy being in a country where no one likes you. You all should not be so quick to talk bad about someone based on their legal status, im sure immigrants have been through alot more hardships than you have. Give them a break

yea I was getting ready to go north but since govener henry and the other persons going to make this law work. I think Ill stay.stand together take our wages and state back.send illegals back. and control them with jail time for not living by oklahoma laws. take back our great state mexicans go home.we dont need you unless you pay taxes get off welfare and get drivers license and insurance and if your going to become legal SPEAK ENGLISH

Dora, allow me to educate you: Oklahoma was a state during the dust bowl in the 1930's. Those born here were American citizens. California was a state during this same time period. Therefore, Oklahomans leaving Oklahoma to go to California were Americans leaving one American state for another. All, both Oklahoman's and Californian's, were legitimate American citizens. Starting to see the problem with your silly little analogy now? Or do I need to break out the crayons?....

Richard, your historical ignorance is showing. There were no "illegal immigrants" until Congress first addressed the issue in the nineteenth century. In order for something to be "illegal," there has to be a framework of government, institutions, and enforcement mechanisms to implement and adjudicate it. This is a great law, and it is high time that it was implemented.

What we need next is a law to prevent illegals from voting. That alone will cool a lot of the pro illegal immigrant voices in Congress. They know that illegals vote, and Democrats will do ANYTHING to keep them voting,and to get greater numbers to vote.

What we need next is a law to prevent illegals from voting. That alone will cool a lot of the pro illegal immigrant voices in Congress. They know that illegals vote, and Democrats will do ANYTHING to keep them voting,and to get greater numbers to vote.

What is so hard about obtaining a work visa or student visa?

Hey Dora, have you ever thought that there may be a reason why it is so hard to get into this country legally? Think those rules are there just to give people a hard time? What about all of those people that DID do things the right way and were allowed to become American's, don't you think its a little unfair to them for these people that came here ILLEGALLY to demand the same privileges that the legal ones sacrificed so much to attain?

Janice, no, Pres. Bush wasn't for the Mexicans because Jeb's wife was from Mexico. Such a tarnished view you have. You also don't know anything about how hard it is for people to get a visa to the U.S. regardless of what country they're coming from. Study up on the immigration procedures and you'll learn more about it before commenting. And for Larry, do you think they're going to place terminology such as race or nationality. I was in born in Oklahoma and have lived in Tulsa. I often told friends I'd like to move back. Now, after this, no way! Do you, my fellow Sooners, recall when Oklahomans left to go to California during the Dust Bowl? They weren't so welcomed in California. Read John Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath or read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. Maybe, just maybe, it will enlighten you. There's too many people that are so uneducated about the immigraton procedure. Oh, lest we forget, why did our government allow this to occur for so many years? Remember when a blind eye was turned in the 1990's when the U.S. needed so much labor? Now the U.S. wants to make it look like these people are invisible. It's one way the Republicans can cut back the future Hipanic vote. It will backfire. Hide and watch. Better yet...hide.

Why don't we adopt Mexico's immigration laws? It works for them, so why not for us?

Chris…….please point out were I was racist in my statement. If I was I apologize, for that’s not my style and I hate racism. Now the ignorance part, well hell, that won’t be the first time I have been accused of that. Now good night ….maybe.

Once again, Oklahoma people talking ignorant and being racist. Read the bill, comprehend it, and make your own decision!

Well, with that said and done. I hold no ill feelings towards any one of any color. I do hope things turn out for the better on all sides. I believe everyone feels strongly about there own opinions on the matter and have every right to. The funny thing is most of us would probably get along great face to face under different circumstances. Good night and good luck to all..

just another guilt trip.

Richard, Oklahoma City,So to make up for everything that happened hundreds of years ago we should what? I wasn’t there, I didn’t do it, I never owned slaves. That would be like me saying my great great great grand father was killed by yours and now I hold you responsible, fork what you have over.. Don’t throw something in my face that I had nothing to do with. I am sorry it happened the way you said it did but I am hear today scratching just as hard as the next guy.dont expect me to roll over and play dead because of the past.

Richard, you're saying just because something was allowed in the past, it should be allowed now? Cool, I think I'll find me a 13 year old wife and buy a couple of slaves and start a farm :)

Thanks Mitch and Richard, both are true statements.

I understand each side of this issue. I think the Catholic church has it right from a moral and humanitarian point of view. The majority of these people just want the opportunity for a better life. Being an illegal citizen in the USA is better than anything their own country has to offer. Now I think the Catholic church should focus on helping illegals become legal taxpaying citizens.

Hmmm, I wonder if all those illegal white immigrants from the 1700's through the 1900's will make their way back to Europe? I know my ancestors did not give you permission to come to this country. You came here on your own and brought pestilance, disease, and greed. Seeing the riches of the land, you could not wait to lie and steal your way into a nation. The US is great because your ancestors raised it on the backs of illegal immigration. If you want to kick out illegal immigrants, you need to look in the mirror. You might not like what you see. I wonder how long before you send them blankets laced with small pox and create the Bureau of Mexican Affairs to bumble their way with ineptitude! Most people are not aware that mexicans are a mixture of spanish and indian blood. That same indian blood was here centuries before any white man walked on this ground. You need to embrace them, because your family was once an illegal immigrant and they were not. They are lost brothers looking to make a life for themselves, just like your ancestors were so many years ago.

Correction, I support Legal immigration. My typing is not that good.

Alan, as it is I don’t have much pie let alone any to give.

Well said LaShawn, I hope that compassion rings true for most of us. These are people are here for one primary purpose, to support their families. Who, does not want to do that? I have family, I work hard for them. I will reiterate, I would want them to be legal. That is the best way to go. However, our laws, as they are now, are too difficult for most to become legal. Especially, the income, most are poor in those countries. So, our laws need to be re-evaluated. Plus, I may add, that their governments do contribute to that situation. I suppose legal immigration, but the current system is broke.

Lyn,

LYN, (Use of the Word) This law does not molest our aliens. The Word says to obey the law of the land, and coming illegally is a sin. We must protect our land. And we must be compassionate. Americans especially Oklahomans are know for our compassion. We have not left our hearts. We have taken a good step in protecting our citizens, our legal immigrants, and hopefully helping our illegals to think about the mistake they are making.

Like what you said Lynn. Some of these people commenting of how wondering this law is, are the one who don't like anyone take their piece of the pie. You know it's true some of you.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!! Let all the bleeding heart liberals move to mexico with the illegals and support them out of their own pockets!!!

Alan, it really is about us. We as a majority wanted this law and we got it. That's not hiding, that's Democracy in action.

Lynn, compassion I can give. Demanded compassion I have a problem with. Were the people of Israel instructed to invade in the darkness then raise the Israeli flag in a sign of domination?

I believe the reason George Bush is for the Mexicans is because his brother, Jeb, the Governor of Florida, is married to a Mexican.

Never said I condoned illegal behavior, just please quit hiding behind a law, it is really about you.

I think the problem is simple, it's pride. Like I said, I refer legal immigrant. Since no one knows where you live, just be honest. Some of you, well, it really makes you insecure that they seem to receiving benefits and you are not. Well, sorry you had a bad break, the persons who are truly responsible for how things have progressed is our government.

HELLO U,

I understand that you feel empathy for the situation in Mexico. I do as well, but just because a person's situation is bad, does not give them a right to do something illegal. We have bad situations right here in Oklahoma, but I certainly don't desire to condone illegal behavior just because you have a bad situation. I welcome all immigrants, as long as they do it the legal way, and become product tax paying citizens. Fair is Fair. Right is Right. And please remember, this is not JUST aboout our Mexican brothers & Sisters.

Are we now to become in our centennial year a state without a conscience, a people without compassion. Have we forgotten the teaching that those who save their own lives will lose them while those who lose their lives will save them. Or as the people of Israel were told, "You shall not molest or oppress an alien, for you were once aliens yourselves in the land of Egypt." (Exodus 21:20)

Maybe we should all e-mail Randy Terril, The Attorney General, and the Governor and thank them for a job well done. I would like to ask, as Robin already has, how will this be enforced?

Alan, breaking a law is one thing. Breaking a law and then flaunting the fact that you broke it is another. These people had marches, hoisted flags, etc. They wanted attention and they got it! *moral: be careful what you wish for.*

Alan, there is a lot more to it than just breaking the law or doing dishes. Otherwise we would not be at the point we are now.

If the illegals are having problem with the new law--why don't they try coming her LEGALLY and follow our laws and learn our language. I don't know of any Oklahomans that would not except them that way. Our language and come legally that is all we are asking. My family had to come that way many years ago and that's the way it should stay. Have do we have to cater to them??? No more freebies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The truth is that it bothers you when immigrants are more successfull in business than. Do I support illegal immigration, no, but please don't use breaking the laws as the excuse. Be transparent. Call the kettle black.

all right you people who complain of law breaking, I am fairly confident that most of you break laws everyday. So please don't use that as a front for your irritation. The truth is, it just bothers you that people from other country are here, maybe taking that nice paying dish cleaning job from you.

Don’t ever let anybody tell you again that the United States of America is not yours. This country is ours! Do not let people stir the past to fit there motives. A lot of we were hear they were here. We are taking our place in the history of our great nation.

If it goes to the Supreme Court bush will get the judge behind doors and knock it out. Since bush pushed for amnesty I would not be surprised if he makes a public announcement condemning Oklahoma. I am still a little upset he did not bother to address the nation when the Hispanics marched across the U.S. when ever the nation needed his support it would have been then. But acted as though it never happened.

This might even give them some incentive to do something about there own country. I hear other states are lined up to see how HB1804 turned out wanting to do the same. What we do have to keep in mind is that this is not over by a long shot. They will keep fighting this. You must stay involved and let you representatives know you are behind them. Enough people can come together and make one loud voice. Just make sure your words are correct.

You are all correct, we are racists,Bigoted, Anti-Semitic, we are all male chauvinist, oh and yes homo phobic! I for one love children but I prefer them Bar-B-Qed, however, they are not too bad in soup.
Now that we have that out of the way, The illegal aliens are here illegal. Sure we are a nation of immigrants, the difference is nearly all of the people that came here before world war II came here legally. Many came through Ellis Island where they received immigration papers. A very few, such as the Italian came with out papers and that is why they were called WOPS. They came to seek THEIR fortunes.
The Illegal Aliens came across our borders under and around the fences in the middle of the night, hiding from the Border Patorl, and they came to take OUR money. No one knows who is here and what their motives are.
True it is the Federal Governments job to control our borders but like everything else they do they are doing a very poor job of it. Kudos to our State legislators for passing a law to protect us from Illegals

Actually I am sorry it had to come to this. But I knew it would. You cannot go to another country in groves and not attract attention. I personally think it was the may March (witch got everybody’s attention) and the raising of the Mexican flags across the metro was a downfall. As far as 25000 leaving I doubt that is taking place. Racism will be a drummed up factor now that it has passed for that is there last card. I hope that it sends a message to people from any country that we would appreciate it if you come to the front door and knock first. I also hope that Oklahoman’s show some dignity and not play into the race card.

WOW! I never thought I would see the day when our government actually did something right! This has gone on long enough and the first step was taken, but now lets see if we can follow through with removal of the leaches on our system. You all say it is about the kids, but these illegal people have no plans to become citizens reguardless what they say to the news. They have sucked the life out of our welfare, medical, housing, and job systems. I read one person cryin about the kids, well let me tell you something about the kids......go to Crooked Oak school and see how many Illegal kids (12 yr olds) are pregnant and ask what number the one is in the oven. Well guess what......each kid = $$$$ from our government....and guess where the money comes from????? YOU, ME and the rest of the residents of this state. Well I'm glad this is goin down this way and I'll help them pack!!

how have these immigrants hurt you cletus!

YES!! PACK THE BAGS AND GET THE HELL OUT!!! YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE!

kenny, if you were living in chihuahua mexico you would want to do anything to live in the united states. can you support a family on $10 a month

U, I feel sorry for those kids, but their parents put themselves in that situation. Breaking the law comes with a penalty. They should have thought about that before they decided to break the law. Besides, they're not orphaned because the parents aren't dead, just deported. To me, if the parents are illegal, the child should be too.

CAN YOU PEOPLE STOP THINKING ONLY ABOUT YOURSELVES. THERE WILL BE CHILDREN THAT ARE US CITIZENS WHO WILL BE ORPHANED. THEIR PARENTS CAME HERE ONLY TO PROVIDE THEIR KIDS A BETTER LIFE THAN WHAT THEY HAD. WHY DON'T YOU GO TO MEXICO AND TRY TO LIVE THERE. NOT IN CANCUN BUT A REAL MEXICAN TOWN. PUT YOURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES FOR ONCE. STOP BEING IGNORANT! FOR ONCE I AM NOT PROUD TO BE AN OKLAHOMAN.

To everyone who is trying to play the racist/bigot/KKK card: Have you read HB 1804? I have and couldn't find a single word or phrase that mentioned any race or nationality. It just isn't there. This is NOT about race! It IS about enforcing the law against ILLEGALS (doesn't matter where they came from). The penalty for being an illegal alien is deportation, pure and simple. This bill seeks to penalize those who would hire them, house them and transport them. Thus, taking away the jobs, places to live and tax-payer hand-outs to people who have no right to even be here in the first place. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

Todd, Grow up & does anybody know how they will go about enforcing this ? I am just curious, not against it, for it.

I can't believe all the whining and crying over our state stepping up and doing the right thing. Get over it. Well....unless you're illegal, in which case just get out.

the group that sponsored it is a known KKK group.

What is racist about this bill, can someone explain that to me?

well im the gayest poster here

Wow ! I must say I like this bill, at least one state is trying to do the right thing.
Trust me, the wife has worked as an RN in California for years before we came here, those hospitals are a train wreck, Oklahoma hospitals are not ready to handle any more illegal patients, there is just not enough money is the system, better to stop the hemorrhage now.
Oh, one spokesperson for the illegals, stated after this court case today, that "25,000 latinos" have already left the state. I find it hard to fathom that 25,000 just packed it up & left, to me, it's more lies from the illegal lawyers, how shameful.

this will get taxes raised with 2 years

highways are jammed with illegals leaving...

Typical Oklahoman Christians - doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught. Just a bunch of anti-Christians being led in fear. Easy wedge issue to detract the fools from the real issues out there.

racism at its worst. shame shame

Alia, you are probably one of the morons dropping the "race card" on this law. It's not about color of skin, it's about ILLEGAL entry into this country.

I finally feel like the Government of Oklahoma has done something positive to represent the majority of the citizens of our state! Now if old "Uncle Sam" will use this a model to represent the nation.

I wish we had Lawmakers like that in Kansas!

I'll be damned. A state and government that acutally stands up for citizens! Well, I guess I'll pack my bags and move to Oklahoma immediately. I just want to say, thanks to Oklahomans for giving me hope that we still live in country where laws are followed.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT NEWS, NOW MAYBE THE ILLEGALS WILL STOP SOME OF THEIR ACTIONS AND JUST LEAVE OKLAHOMA!!!!!!!

Excellent news; now let the obfuscation by the pro-illegal alien lobby stop!