Immigration law to take effect
Immigration law to take effect
Published: October 31, 2007
TULSA — A new immigration enforcement law, arguably one of the nation’s toughest, is effective Thursday.
An 11th hour request for an injunction to block the implementation of HB 1804 was denied by U.S. District Judge James Payne about 7 p.m. tonight after a hearing that happened just hours before the law’s Nov. 1 implementation. “In light of the plaintiffs’ failure to introduce evidence in support of their motion, and in light of plaintiffs’ limited argument in support of their motion, the court cannot conclude the plaintiffs’ right to a preliminary injunction has been clearly and unequivocally established,” Judge Payne wrote. Payne said the plaintiffs, which included the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Religious Leaders, did not prove the law would cause irrevocable harm, that the harm it would cause outweighed any injuries the injunction would have caused, or that the injunction was in the public’s interest. “We appreciate the judge’s consideration of our argument,” said Attorney General spokesman Charlie Price. “Now we will set about the task of amending our motion to dismiss the whole complaint.” Payne did not weigh in on whether the plaintiffs’ lawsuit would succeed once its merits are argued. State seeks dismissal The Attorney General’s defense team has filed a motion, which will be heard Tuesday, to dismiss the lawsuit entirely. That motion will be heard Tuesday. “We are very disappointed in the judge’s decision,” said plaintiff attorney William Sanchez. “But now, we will concentrate on arguing the case.” HB 1804 requires local and state law enforcement to check the immigration status of anyone arrested for felonies and DUIs, and then coordinate with the Department of Homeland Security to have those individuals deported. It also requires state agencies to verify citizenship before dispersing public benefits or funds. In addition, it stops illegal immigrants from obtaining driver’s licenses. The decision was issued about 7 p.m. — just hours before the law takes effect Thursday. In a cramped Tulsa courtroom, immigrant opponents and advocates evenly divided the room, listening to the arguments that would clench the fates of thousands of illegal immigrants across the state. “Congress was very, very clear when they wrote the Immigration Reform and Control Act. They did not want states to be involved in immigration,” said plaintiff attorney William Sanchez, of Miami Beach, Fla. The plaintiffs pointed to three areas where HB 1804 entered into federal jurisdiction: job discrimination, criminalizing immigration violations, and depriving those arrested of their rights by requiring them to be mandatorily detained without a hearing. But state lawyers argued those assertions were not true. “Their argument is that Oklahoma is enacting immigration regulations, when in fact it is not,” said Dan Weitman, an assistant attorney general. State lawyers pointed to several issues within the lawsuit, such as the plaintiffs’ standing, its ability to prove damages and the fact that the wrong defendants were named in the lawsuit. At one point, they even accused the plaintiff attorney’s of “bad faith” conduct. What was the reaction? Outside the Tulsa courtroom, immigrant advocates and opponents verbally sparred. Members of the Tulsa Minutemen and Dan Howard, Outraged Patriots founder, argued against the injunction request. “We will not be intimidated by illegal aliens invading our country and dictating to us how are government should be conducted,” Howard said. “I’ll be damn if I sit here patiently while Mexico moves here.” “The front line for this immigration war is the Red River,” Howard added. On the other side of the argument, the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Religious Leaders accused the Tulsa mayor, police chief and Tulsa County Sheriff’ Department, as well as state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, of “ethnic cleansing.” “We are afraid of your words. We are afraid of your actions,” said Miguel Rivera, president of the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders. “If this bill goes into effect midnight tonight, it will be open season on Latinos.” One minuteman wearing a shirt fashioned to look like an American flag stood near Carmelite nuns of Hispanic descent. The minority on Wednesday were people who didn’t feel passionately about the subject, from one side or the other. Solomon Dionicio, a Tulsa bail bondsman, listened and soaked up the debate, shrugging his shoulders. “I don’t feel about it either way, good or bad,” Dionicio said. “I just want to know. It’s history.” Dionicio says the current immigrant system clearly is broken. About 30 percent of his business comes from Hispanic criminals, who go underground and change their names and jobs. They are the toughest to find. On the other hand, he said, if the consequences weren’t so severe, maybe they would be more likely to step forward and pay their fines. “I’ve chased undocumenteds for about five years now. Obviously, we do have a huge problem,” Dionicio said. “But we shouldn’t try to solve it Hitler style.” At a Mexican restaurant in east Tulsa, Hispanic community members and advocates were visibly shocked when news spread that the injunction had been denied. “This is horrible,” said Guillermo Rojas, a Tulsa businessman and member of the Governor’s Advisory Concil on Latin American and Hispanic Affairs. He is from Venezuela. “But this has woken us up. We are many, the Hispanic people, and we will be heard,” Rojas said. “This has given us a reason to show our power and political influence.”
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If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. -----
****But, knowing what I know as an American****
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.
I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.
I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.
I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live.
I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make.
I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.
I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.
I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:---------------
**access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
**public education for my children
**welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
**free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
**consistently clean and safe water
**vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
**indoor plumbing
**affordable public transportation
**a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
**good roads
**reliable electricity
**public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
**police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
**garbage pick-up and sanitation services
**free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
**graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
**abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
**basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance
*(*I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.*)*
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All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.
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In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.
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She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!---------------------------------
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.--------------------------------
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.----- Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.---------
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.----------
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.---------
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.---------
****If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" -****
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.-----
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.------
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!-------
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens! ---------
**Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich**
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt---------------
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.-------
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases--------
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. -----------
**** High integrity, ethical invitation ****
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.--------
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It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.
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Here is a better link to the article:
http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/bio-ethics/americanbreedpage.cfm
Here is a link to an article that makes connections to the Pioneer Fund and Hitler. Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis.
Federation for American Immigration Reform
www.fairus.org
Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism.
Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control."
FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000.
Direct link to this page:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14
"We are drafting our own legislation patterned after Oklahoma," said Utah Sen. Bill Hickman.
"We're developing two different groups in society - those that have to obey the law and those that don't. Society can't function very well that way."
January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC) – After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.
The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.
A loophole in current Social Security law could allow millions of today's Mexican workers to eventually collect billions of dollars worth of Social Security benefits for earnings under fraudulent or "non-work authorized" Social Security numbers, putting huge new pressures on the Social Security Trust Fund.
If an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number through guest worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time, that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once he or she has met eligibility requirements.
In addition, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the U.S. illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number. Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number – whether a legal citizen or not – wages earned while in the U.S. unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account.
The Congressional Research Service reports the earnings suspense file currently stands at approximately $520 billion. According to the congressional testimony of SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O'Carroll in February 2006, "We believe the chief cause of wage items being posted to the earnings suspense file instead of an individual's earning record is unauthorized work by non citizens."
Here are the US State Department figures. http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/stats/stats_890.html
You're answering my question with a question. There is no data to prove terrorists are entering the US through Mexico, however there is data to prove they have entered through Canada.
As to the rest of it, I'm not condoning something that is illegal, I'm only saying that the penalty should fit the crime. Staying in the country illegally is a misdemeanor, yet providing a house for an illegal is a felony. It just doesn't make sense. But I do agree that they should crack down on the overstaying of student visas. In fact, I think they should stop giving those out so freely and increase the numbers of other types of visas.
I am sorry but it sounds a lot like the climate in Germany in the late 1920’s. A bunch of disenfranchised Germans blamed all of the countries problems on the Jews, Homosexuals and deviants. They were all forced to register. Then they were forced to give up their businesses. Then their personal property was taken and finally their lives.
The people that support this bill the most are disenfranchised and don’t have a future because they lack an adequate education and world view to be economically viable individuals. They have followed the preachings of some hate mongers and truly believe that all of their problems are a result of all of these “Mexicans”
2. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes and gas tax just like the rest of us.
3. Any illegal immigrant working with a fake social security number is paying both federal and state income taxes.
I can’t really understand the argument that illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. One could say that they are consuming more services than they pay in taxes but I would assume that anyone with more than one child under the age of 18 is guilty of the same crime. The average walmart employee receives more in government services than he/she pays in taxes. If the issue is really taxes for services then make it possible for illegal immigrants to pay state/federal taxes.
I remember going to Berlin in 1988 and seeing a city under siege. I was especially struck by a museum by checkpoint Charlie that depicted how the East Germans had killed Germans trying to enter West Berlin.
I can’t see how we can justify the current system where thousands of Latin Americans are dying each year trying to reach the United Stated. I think that it is highly dangerous anytime any race or group of people is used as scapegoats for societies problems. The people that support this legislation are supporting the marginalization of a people. The next step is seizing all the assets of illegal aliens. This initiative has already been announced. This is similar to what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in the 1930’s. What is next? Maybe capital punishment for anyone that illegally enters the country?
Being a Christian state can’t we think of a better way to address our problems? What about a guest worker program? The current system needs to change but the current system has been supported by big business and the powers that be for over 60 years.
This problem has taken decades to develop and it simply can’t be solved through the passage of one hate filled piece of legislation whose creation was made possible through funding from a hate group.
I am of hispanic descent (sp) anyway i have really have no problems with anyone from any country coming here to live. But if they want to stay here they need to be a legal citzen. My grandmother mother was hispanic and she was a legal citzen. i think she was born here. but anyway, as long as they are law abiding citzens and pay taxes and work just like the rest of us then there is no problem. i sure several people agree to this.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Every American citizen needs to read this!
The established Hispanic & Asian families, where I'm from originally, all sponsored their extended family members to become US citizens. Took them a long time but they did it and I see no reason why others don't or won't do the same.
So does the state of Oklahoma.
Hopefully, this will set a precedent and other states will follow suit.
Enforce existing immigration laws. What a concept!
My family built our house from the ground up, we mowed (and still do) our own lawns.
I've been through two immigrant migrations in my hometown, first wave of LEGAL Hispanics & second wave of LEGAL Asians. These people worked damn hard to get here, going through the correct & LEGAL channels to become USA citizens, facing the hardships of learning a new language (English), getting established, & being accepted into the local community. I grew up with their children, tried learning a bit of their native languages & culture.
These established LEGAL immigrants, that are now LEGAL US citizens, are important contributors to our community.
I welcome any LEGAL immigrants but the illegals can go back to their country of origin & return through the proper channels. Too hard some of you say? Too bad, others before them have done it & it's a slap in the LEGAL naturalized citizens' faces whom have done the hard, long trial of getting through the LEGAL process.
Appointed the Collector of the Port of Charleston post to an African-American, Dr. William D. Crum, and when he was urged to withdraw the appointment, wrote the following:
I do not intend to appoint any unfit man to office. So far as I legitimately can, I shall always endeavor to pay regard to the wishes and feelings of the people of each locality; but I cannot consent to take the position that the doorway of hope - the door of opportunity - is to be shut upon any man, no matter how worthy, purely upon the grounds of race or color. Such an attitude would, according to my contentions, be fundamentally wrong.
Defended the Postmaster of Indianola, Mississippi, Minnie D. Cox. She was an African-American, and on that basis alone she was threatened with mob violence and was forced to resign. Roosevelt took action by closing the post office there, ignored her resignation, and still paid her what she was due as if nothing happened.[21]
Yes I can imagine what life will be like without them. Life in the 1970's when I was growing up was quite peaceful. And there are millions of US Citizens that are out of jobs that worked in the construction industry. I had 3 hours of carpentry every day when I was a 10th, 11th and 12th grade in high school. Thank God that I had the intelligence to further my education and get a Computer Programming Certification. If I wouldn't have I would be one of the millions out of work or working for less than minimum wage. My Grandfather, Father, and Uncle were all carpenters and built a lot of the houses standing in SW OKC. They were proud of their profession and did a good job. When I was a child I mowed lawns for extra cash, don't see that happening today. "Why?" you ask, because the illegal aliens have taken all the lawn mowing jobs. When I was taking my computer classes guess where I worked. McDonalds. I wonder how many people taking college courses are working at McDonalds today. Very few I bet because the illegal aliens have taken those jobs also. After I graduated from computer school I went to work doing one of those "jobs Americans won't do" I hustled jugs on the jugline doing seismic work and liked it. I was in top physical condition. I worked my way up from jug hand to Observer. I did that work for 10 years. Then I was working for a seismic company based in Plano, Tx. and we finished up our work in Louisiana and was told to bring in the trucks to the yard for a Christmas break. When we got there we were laid off. The next Monday my recorder was sent out with a whole new crew of guess what, "illegal aliens". I know how this works all too well. So I figure after all the illegal aliens go home our children can get up off their butts and go get a part time job, or mow lawns and get a taste of what life will be after they get out of school. I think it will be a brighter future for Oklahoma and the US especially after the SAVE act is passed. Within 4 years of the SAVE act being ratified every employer in the US will have to verify immigration status of every employee. I ave nothing against the Mexican people, I have a lot of friends that are Mexican's who came here "LEGALLY", and probably some of them illegally. But we have laws and they must be followed. I have to live by the laws and everyone else should also.
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin . . .
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American
and nothing but an American . . . There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American
at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag . . .
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language . . .
and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
As the dollar continues to be devalued, wages go down and Latin American gang members are entering the US military (to become citizens) and learning the ways of warfare so when they get out (if they survive the Iraq meatgrinder) and they will know how to better defeat an enemy gang - our the streets of our nation. That is another big problem you race pimps haven't considered.
I applaud Terrill and the others in the Legislature for taking action and facing this issue directly. And yet the leading presidential candidate - Hillary Clinton - can't answer a question honestly - whether the state of New York can give drivers licenses to illegals. This woman is popular! So, we are in for some rough seas, gang. At least the state of Oklahoma can shine as a beacon of freedom and the rule of law in a nation where our Constitution and laws have been trampled and ignored for so long.
DON'T TREAD on ME!
There is nothing racist about the new law, it works the same if the violator is Hispanic, black, white, Oriental or other. The only factor being considered is the legality of their presence in the U.S. Playing the "race card" is juvenile, at best because the LEGAL aliens are more than welcome here. That is the difference some apparently refuse to see.
Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all
the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters: You are Required to let me stay in your house You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan You are Required to Educate my kids You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part). If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, iced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.
"The Supreme Court shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction of:All actions or proceedings by a State against the citizens of another State or against aliens."
You want a cheap workforce that will work hard? Try hiring one of our many in-state ex-felons. For those who are making the effort of changing their lives a job would make a world of difference.
By the way, for those who say crimes are not being committed by illegals are either wildly naive or never watched the news.
Most of you will remember this is Randy Terrill's second attempt to get laws passed to protect Oklahoma taxpayers. The State Chamber of Commerce and the Hispanic leaders played a big part in getting the 2006 bill killed. State senators who knuckled to them last year got an earfull at home and stumbled all over each other to cosponsor HB1804. Someone asked earlier who voted against it. In the Senate McIntyre, C.Johnson, Coates, Liberlance, Crutchfield and Morgan. There were 14 in the House but I do not have their names.
HB1804 is not designed to punish anyone either. It is designed to protect Oklahoma jobs and taxpayer funds for Oklahomans and to DISCOURAGE people who have no right here from coming here. My biggest problem with the illegal aliens from Mexico is they live in crowded conditions and send money they earn here out of the country instead of putting it back in the local economy. Second, I have had friends who lost their job or were not hired for a job because they are not bilingual. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making a State law that is equal to Federal law. So give it up. The United States of America has the most liberal and generous immigration laws of any nation on the planet. Go home! use them to return legally, and when you come back make an effort to become one of us instead of trying to force us to become like you.
I applaud Randy Terrill and Judge Payne.
Unfortunately in Texas we have a person who acts as a Governor until the majority speaks and then the Governor acts as he wants while ignoring the majority's wishes. Our Texas Legislature is led around like a herd of sheep by special interest groups and cower down to the Latino lobby. Our Texas politicians could use some of the gumption that Oklahoma has shown in this illegal immigration issue.
A major problem with the new Oklhoma law is that Texas will now have hundreds of thousands of new illegal immigrants crossing the Red River in a south bound direction. Well at least when I travel to Norman for OU games the lack of visible illegal immigrants will bring back old memories of when I was raised in Oklahoma 40+ years ago.
Thanks Oklahoma
I have no problem with anyone coming here legally, but it isn't fair for someone living here illegally to have better benefits than someone living here legally. If there is a problem with the legalization process, then fix that. I have worked in situations where workers had social security numbers that you know weren't theirs, but you couldn't prove it. One employee had left and came back later, having a completely different drivers license and social security card. If you are an illegal going to a hospital for treatment, you don't have to pay for it, and it is written off. However, a legal citizen who goes and shows ID will be harrassed by a collection agency for payment. I think illegals should be given a period of time (6 months to a year) to become legal. I think during this time they should register for everything that all other legal citizens have to register for. I'm even fine with them voting because they should also be able to choose the direction the country rolls. JUST BE LEGAL. It's not fair for a school to have to employee teachers for English as a Second Language classes; kids should have to learn English on their own time. GET LEGAL THEN GET THE BENEFITS. It's not a matter of skin color, IT'S LEGAL VS. ILLEGAL.
Thank You Richard, I support you!
All you ignorant racist, I wonder why you don't go back to Europe. The native Americans are the autentic Americans in the U.S. My couisin is an illegal immigrant. She's 24, a Harvard University student, works a full time job, pays taxes, and helps the community. Her illegal brother went to University of Illinois in Chicago. He has a Tae Kwon Do Academy, pays taxes and you tell me that the illegal immigrants come to this country to steal your jobs and money. They love this nation more than all of the racist Americans who only care about having a white empty coutry. Many of you, ignorant racists, depend on the money that comes from all the tickets the illigal immigrants pay for not having a driver's license because they can't get one. This country without immigrants wouldn't be the most powerful country in the world, and you wouldn't be here but only the Native Americans. You should educate yourself about history, you should read the bible to help you become a better person and to stop hating people that you don't even know. You should worry about all the real criminals that are killing, raping and perverting our children. May God Help You And Bless You!
But don't stop with just the ones that get arrested, or apply for a free ride on Social Services. Round their butts up just like cattle and heard them out.
A real money maker for local communities would be for very heavy fines to landlords that rent to them, or anyone that employs them.
Now as far as education level goes, that does not quite cut it... There are alot of Mexicans/Latinos here legally and the Catholic Church I'm sure would point them in the correct direction for help...
Don't slight your own people...
It's far easier for them to take their chances and cross illegaly.
"I don't see it impacting the Asian community a whole lot,” he said.
Jason, you are a great representative of the supporters. You are probably getting tired of the fact that you have to keep educating people, but you do it so well. :)
LYN, (Use of the Word) This law does not molest our aliens. The Word says to obey the law of the land, and coming illegally is a sin. We must protect our land. And we must be compassionate. Americans especially Oklahomans are know for our compassion. We have not left our hearts. We have taken a good step in protecting our citizens, our legal immigrants, and hopefully helping our illegals to think about the mistake they are making.
I understand that you feel empathy for the situation in Mexico. I do as well, but just because a person's situation is bad, does not give them a right to do something illegal. We have bad situations right here in Oklahoma, but I certainly don't desire to condone illegal behavior just because you have a bad situation. I welcome all immigrants, as long as they do it the legal way, and become product tax paying citizens. Fair is Fair. Right is Right. And please remember, this is not JUST aboout our Mexican brothers & Sisters.
Now that we have that out of the way, The illegal aliens are here illegal. Sure we are a nation of immigrants, the difference is nearly all of the people that came here before world war II came here legally. Many came through Ellis Island where they received immigration papers. A very few, such as the Italian came with out papers and that is why they were called WOPS. They came to seek THEIR fortunes.
The Illegal Aliens came across our borders under and around the fences in the middle of the night, hiding from the Border Patorl, and they came to take OUR money. No one knows who is here and what their motives are.
True it is the Federal Governments job to control our borders but like everything else they do they are doing a very poor job of it. Kudos to our State legislators for passing a law to protect us from Illegals
Trust me, the wife has worked as an RN in California for years before we came here, those hospitals are a train wreck, Oklahoma hospitals are not ready to handle any more illegal patients, there is just not enough money is the system, better to stop the hemorrhage now.
Oh, one spokesperson for the illegals, stated after this court case today, that "25,000 latinos" have already left the state. I find it hard to fathom that 25,000 just packed it up & left, to me, it's more lies from the illegal lawyers, how shameful.