More than a thousand people met on the south steps of the state Capitol today to protest HB 1804, one of the toughest immigration laws in the nation.
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"This country is not ours, but since we are here, we are going to fight for our rights,” said Isobel Sauceda, an illegal immigrant who came with about 10 other immigrants from work. Some protesters were legal, others were not.
HB 1804 goes into effect today, criminalizing American citizens for harboring, concealing or transporting illegal aliens. The bill also denies illegal immigrants driver's licenses and requires state agencies to verify citizenship before providing people with public services.
It also requires local law enforcement to check the immigration status and coordinate with federal agents to deport all illegal immigrants who commit felonies or are arrested for DUIs.
"I am not afraid of 1804, when I come across the border, I already knew that might be the case,” Sauceda said of the possibility of deportation, "but I came to work, that's the reason I am here. We don't come to hurt anyone.”
Several Hispanic community leaders spoke to the crowd including the Rev. Miguel Rivera, president, and the Rev. Victor Orta, Oklahoma coordinator, for the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Religious leaders. They admonished state politicians for the passage of HB 1804 and asked the largely Hispanic audience to persevere.
There were also a vocal few who were there to protest the protest. At one point a truck with three self-proclaimed Minutemen drove through the parking lot at the state Capitol shouting for the crowd to go home.
A few others stood at the perimeter of the crowd. One man wore a baseball cap with Mexico written on it, but the words were X'd out by a black marker.
"We've got people who come here legally that follow immigration laws to become American,” said Jack McBrayer, 43, who said he is retired, "but these people come here illegally and they don't respect our laws. The problem is they are coming here and trying to make this country theirs.”
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LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANICS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
ANCHORBABY,ANCHORSENIORS
TO B WHO WROTE THIS>>>>>>>>> " In the words of that great American Dandy Don Meredith......."Turn out the lights.....the parties over.....they say all good things....must come to an end"............... Adios....amigos">>>>>> SWEETIE, I WAS AT THE GEORGE LOPEZ COMEDY SHOW LAST NIGHT AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING. WE (LATINOS) ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!!! DEAL WITH IT.
loida, you may be Mexican American, however, when you say in Spanish that you live for Mexico and all Latin Countries, you are spitting in the eye of the country you are living in. I am of mixed heritage, I have Cherokee indian, welsh, German and half Irish in me, I qualify for an Irish passport. But My birth was here in the United States of America, my heart is here with the United States of America, I protect, the United States of America. I do not hear you say that you are an American of Mexican persuasion? That would be like me saying I am a Irish,Cherokee,Welsh, & German American. No....I AM AN AMERICAN, RED,WHITE AND BLUE!
For others who are sympathetic to illegals,40% of our prisons are occupied by illegal aliens, not immigrants....immigrants are those who want to be a part of this country, not take over the country. All tax payers combined are paying $600 billion a year for illegals. This is 10 times as much as what they "supposedly" bring in for the country by working here and taking away from citizens. Medical Insurance premiums would go down if it were not for illegals, government would have to spend less on social service programs,prisons would have to spend less for those incarcerated with less in prison. Crimes of rape,and murder would decrease, etc. This would mean that those like myself who cannot afford Medical Insurance "might" be able to actually get it at affordable prices. our 9,3 million homeless would shrink, our 23.8 million unemployed would find jobs etc. Construction jobs ARE jobs that Americans will do.
IT jobs ARE jobs Americans will do. Farming job ARE jobs that Americans will do. What Americans will not do is demean themselves to do the jobs for less then minimum wage, like the illegal will do. I could quote statistics from several different sources to include the Federal Government, that would make those who sympathize with the illegals, make you hair stand on end. American people need to wise up and know that Al Quada is using the Drug Cartels infuence to get arms to sleeper cells. We are in a fight for our lives. If you do not think so, then you are living in lala land. I have had my own experience with terrorist and would not wish it on my worst enemy. Think of each and every American as a "deer" and it is open season with no bag limit. Time to wake up and wipe to bullseye off your backside and you head out of it as well. 3000 new illegals everyday = 1,095,000 a year or more. Hope you have room in your house, because I sure don't in mine.
HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINO ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!ALL NOW!
THE HEAD OF I.C.E.,I.N.S.,C.I.S. IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN LATINO ANCHORBABY
GOV.ARIZONA JANET NAPOLITAN IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
U.S.C.B.P. HEAD DAVID AGULAR IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ACHORBABY
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!
HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINOS DO NOT BELONG IN THE USA
BEWARE OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
My American flag is up along with several others that I have noticed in the neighbor hood around sixteen in all. I want one thing to be known. This is an answer to the radical Hispanic groups that have raised the Mexican flag in our country and marched on the U.S with demands of Americans to leave’s have no problems with the ones who work, collect no government assistance and support themselves they are the ones who have no problem with our flag and respect it. However it will send a mesege to the radical hispancis that we are united. I urge all those concerned to show our colors.
Don't forget the $10,000 and the job you have to have before you can settle there. If these illegal Mexicans are such upstanding people and there are so many well educated and skilled people then go back to Mexico and change things there. The weather is better there anyway. You can't chane a thing by running away. Also, if things are so bad, why does half of my office want to go back there and live in 10 or 15 years? Go back and sell your oil to the enemies of the US. Mexico is oil rich. Buy the way ask what they do along their southern borders to keep illegals out.
We could end all this debate if we would just adopt the immigration laws of Mexico. Their laws are simple and straight-forward. 1. There will be no bilingual programs in the schools,no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language. 2. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. 3.Foreigners will never have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here. 4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home. 8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Sounds a bit harsh, but those are the immigration laws of "MEXICO".
HOW MANY LATINO ALIENS IN BUSH FAMILY 1,10,50,100.....THE HEAD OF CIS INS IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE HEAD OF USCBP DAVID AGUILAR IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE GOV OF ARIZONA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY JANET NAPOLITANO
DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT DONT TRUST US GOV
ok. Guys, now this is cool !! I am seeing American flags popping up every ware lots of homes are raising our nation’s flag. I will have mine up this weekend. Who’s with me?
Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.
Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.
Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.
Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.
Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.
Violet: The answer to your question, "Does H.B. 1804 nulify the law of prenatal care for illegals. NO, it does not, but Randy Terrill is working on a new law to change that, also.
I like the picture with the protesters holding the American flag. Where was that when they protested a few months ago and they were all holding Mexican flags?
Well, Stallin may be correct with all you Liberal Bleeding Hearts out there... The U.S. will fall from within from letting illegals in, to continue to overload our (Jo these are news FACTS) health care, social security, welfare, courts, prisons, etc., etc...
They are so overcrowed, overburdened, overworked, and the U.S. is so far in debt to its self and can not continue to tax the hell out of the citizens to no end... We will fall from this and other things going on if checks and laws are not put in place and enforced.
Illegals have reeped enough freebies and have known they could have to pay up at anytime, and they did nothing to become legal... Now they cry foul... GO HOME... Become legal on your way back or stay out!!
T- what u think?, Spencer,
I keep seeing these made up figures on the impact of illegal immigrants. Can anyone provide a source that doesn't lead back to F.A.I.R.?
I think illegal immigrants have it relatively easy considering the fact that they've broken the law in GETTING here and have defied the law in STAYING here and have evaded the law in HOMESTEADING here.-----------------------------------------------------------------
If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But, knowing what I know as an American:-------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.--------------------------------------------------------
I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.-----------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.----------------------------------------------------------
I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
*public education for my children
*welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
*free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
*consistently clean and safe water
*vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
*indoor plumbing
*affordable public transportation
*a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
*good roads
*reliable electricity
*public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
*police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
*garbage pick-up and sanitation services
*free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
*graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
*abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
*basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.----------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Previous post along with this post and all the ones before - sums it up... It's about LEAGAL .VS ILLEGAL
Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.
She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico
High integrity, ethical invitation
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.
Carlos , I doubt that your awake with school & everything on Friday but I went to your myspace page & put in a request to be put on your friend list, I dont know if i did it right but if so I guess you will let me know! Carlos just for the record I am for this HB but I would still like to help you figure out how to become legal & maybe even try to raise the funds for you to get started , it's an offer.
Mike from Soonerland, thanks for asking. The reception, like the seemingly ten thousand ones before it, was nice. There was food. There were drinks. There was...zzzzzzz. We were late, and my wife was giving me the business all the way - as well she should have. Had she known we were delayed by me posting here, instead of *working* on something serious, earlier this evening might well have been my posting finale at this fine forum... :-)
Okay, here's some things to tidy up my participation in this thread (earlier I was rushed):
1. Matthew, the case was *United States vs. Darby*. In that case the USSC proclaimed the Tenth Amendment a mere "truism". It is *United States vs. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941)*. 2. *lex naturalis* (natural law) can be said to have originated with Aristotle: I well understand that. I reject that overall historical comparison due to the fact that I believe Thomas Aquinas, though a genius, over-played his hand while trying to make Aristotle's theses fit thirteenth century circumstances. 3. Hobbes was closest to right about it, no doubt, but even Blackstone never pretended it had any binding standing beyond what a political body wished to give it. For better or worse, we are stuck with legal positivism.
This isn't about race, or national origin, or native language. This is about obeying the law. Those who paint anti-illegal immigrant activists as racists or xenophobes only do so because it is all they have. They certainly cannot say illegal immigrants haven't broken the law. I don't doubt that most of them are here to work and not cause trouble. I agree that there are a lot of American citizens who are not worthy of their citizenship, but unfortunately we cannot take it away from them. I'll be the first to admit that the US government and American corporations are just as much to blame for the illegal immigration problem as the immigrants themselves. Statistics on whether illegal immigrants commit more or fewer crimes per capita than other groups, or whether they pay more or less in taxes than they receive in benefits, are beside the point. It all boils down to one thing - they are here illegally, and therefore they should not be allowed to have jobs, to have a say in the affairs of our country, and especially to receive amnesty and eventually become citizens. I have sympathy for these folks (especially ones like Carlos, who were brought here as kids and essentially have no country). However, my loyalty lies to my fellow citizens first. (By the way, Carlos, I am going to say something that is going to sound bad, but understand I am not trying to be mean. You are 15 and you have been here for about 12 years. Given that, your English is not very good. If you want to show people that you are as American as any kid who was born here, you have to impress people and be able to sway their opinions to your cause. A HUGE part of that is being able to speak and write English as well as...no, BETTER than...native-born Americans. I know most American teenagers aren't very good at spelling and grammar, but you have to do it better than the rest of them. I feel for kids like you, Carlos, I really do. I hope that one day - after we secure the border and ensure that adults who knowingly came to the US illegally can never be citizens - kids like you are given a chance to become American citizens. Buena suerte.)
violet from Yukon said: "Jason, I've been wondering about something. Do you know if the house bill nullified the previous bill set forth by the Health Care Authorities which stated that prenatal care and birth of babies born to illegals will be paid for?" violet, per my understanding it does not. I'm pretty sure that the Health Care Authority has delegated power to make bureaucratic law, and it would take an explicit act of the Oklahoma legislature to override it, I do believe. If anyone else more informed than me would like to weigh in here to answer violet's question, please do so. I'm not all that sure of my facts as they pertain here, and I want to state that up front. I rarely post with certainty unless I'm *certain*.
You go Oklahoma! Be a guide for the rest of the U.S. to follow. We need our border laws enforced! Until we cut off the safety valve for the elitist Mexican government, there will be no real reform, stoppage of corruption or improvement in that countries economy.
Jason, I've been wondering about something. Do you know if the house bill nullified the previous bill set forth by the Health Care Authorities which stated that prenatal care and birth of babies born to illegals will be paid for? I noticed the new bill states no public assistance to illegals.(or was it reduced assistance?)
"but it was okay for the original white men from europe who thought it was their god given right to take this land from the indians and mexicans? your ancestors were the original illegals, and no one cares about that...payback thats all."
Sherian, Norman
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It is hard to believe ignorant people like this exist!
The Native American take over was so many years ago it doesn't even pertain to anything today.
Mexicans stole this land from the Indians and the Spanish. No one says a thing about THAT? Mexico's flag was here for 26 years big deal?
People use this dumb argument because they have no business being here.
It's the United States now---GET OVER IT!
Matthew said: "It is perfectly legal for an illegal immigrant to exercise free speech. It sounds confusing, but it's not." Oh Matthew, it isn't confusing to *me* at all, though that's not what your original post was all about, or so it seemed to me. If I "misunderstood," I apologize. Allow me to answer your last post by using an analogy - an *apt* analogy, unlike the one the pro-illegal alien apologists in this forum are constantly trotting out. In this imaginary scenario, I am a person who deeply resents Oklahoma's marijuana laws. I am also a person who routinely flouts those laws. One fine November evening, I attend a rally on the grounds of the Oklahoma state Capitol protesting those laws. I also am carrying a bag of marijuana in my left front pants pocket. I hold up a sign that says "bong hits for Jesus!", er, uh, no, that was another case (:-;)...I hold up one that says "Legalize Pot Now!" A uniformed member of the Capitol Patrol approaches me at some point, an asks point-blank: "Sir, are you currently in possession of Marijuana?" I answer, "Yes, but I'm only here to exercise my First Amendment rights to protest what I believe is an unjust law!!!" Am I immune from arrest? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? NO, I am not. I may well be able to argue in court that the Capitol Patrol officer *only* approached me to ask that question because I was attending that particular rally and holding that specific sign, and had no other probable cause. But the *FACT* of my uncontested illegal behavior, i.e., that bag of dope in my pants, would likely mitigate against me before the judge, and even more so due to the fact that I was standing on property belonging to the state of Oklahoma when I was subjected to that law enforcement officer's inquiry. Now, flip it over to this (I'm sure you saw this coming): what if I were an illegal alien at the rally earlier this afternoon, and that same Capitol Patrol officer asked me "are you in this country legally?"--and I said I was not. Matthew, I believe you see and understand the crux of the legal question here. I don't doubt for a second that you grasp it, and that your intellect tells you I'm right. For the record, I'll state again that I believe any attempt by law enforcement to arrest an illegal immigrant protesting peacefully on the grounds of the state capitol of Oklahoma today would have been both silly and antithetical to common sense. But it would *NOT* have been illegal per the Constitution in general nor the First Amendment in particular -which was my only point all along. Now, do we agree?
This is terrible! There are too many assumptions. For one not all illegal immigrants are hispanic and not all hispanics are from Mexico. If the problem is violence and drug trafficing from Mexico then put forth effort to stop that. This law is going to start a big problem of hate crime. And whomever said that people who are illegal cant read english needs to stop talking before thinking. Most of illegals here are well educated, they remain to themselves and are just here to have a better life, last time i checked that was not a crime. I am totally against this law i think it will make more problems than help. This is nothing more than extreme diversity and segregation. People assume that all hispanics are illegal and they judge them just by the way they look.
Not near as amusing as you. Talk about cheerleader- I had someone over and they were reading these forums, and everyone was laughing at how you ROBIN, have something to say to practically every guy who says something. "Good one" "Oh, you are good". We came to the conclusion that you need attention badly! Every one is laughing at YOU! We also feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone who needs that much attention! Someone also mentioned how MUCH you are on here with your silly cheerleading tactics. The other day, someone called you a REDNECK HILLBILLY, I've never said anything like that to you; yet you continue to attack me. I've said it before; I'll say it again. QUIT STALKING ME!! If you only knew how many people are laughing at you that have said something about it to me! Promise me you really will dismiss me, STALKER!
Rosa Parks and the German Schindler were criminals too. Who was morally right in those areas? I'm sure that Janice would have been the first one to lock those two up. Damned criminals!
Cale, I think Janice is just "stirring the pot". I'm sure she will correct me if I'm wrong. She sounds very similar to another poster who was pulling everyones leg on here. Remember Martha?
Why don't people understand that illegal people pay taxes too and that most of them are here to work, I know there's bad people that come here to do bad stuff but that doesn't mean that everyone is the same way, and I don't think everybody should pay for some one else's mistakes.
HAHA. Is funny how they say Mexicans are invaders. If you didn't know Texas, Colorado, Arizaona, New Mexico use to belong to Mexico. But there's nothing that can be done anymore. Right? Well and almost all of Americans come from backgrounda from France, Ireland, Germany. Think, think, think. The goverment is now realizing that Hispanics will have power like they did before when these states belong to them. That's why United States is accusing immigrants as criminals. But the are NOT. They are hard workers. That's it. Prisons are full of criminals. Are they all Mexicans? NOOO
Not near as amusing as you. Talk about cheerleader- I had someone over and they were reading these forums, and everyone was laughing at how you ROBIN, have something to say to practically every guy who says something. "Good one" "Oh, you are good". We came to the conclusion that you need attention badly! Every one is laughing at YOU! We also feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone who needs that much attention! Someone also mentioned how MUCH you are on here with your silly cheerleading tactics. The other day, someone called you a REDNECK HILLBILLY, I've never said anything like that to you; yet you continue to attack me. I've said it before; I'll say it again. QUIT STALKING ME!! If you only knew how many people are laughing at you that have said something about it to me! Promise me you really will dismiss me, STALKER!
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYONE THAT'S TRYING TO BLAME NON-CITIZENS FOR EVERYTHING. PEOPLE CLAIM THAT TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON THEM.
WELL ANSWER THIS.
WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY THEY DON'T CLAIM GO?
HOW COME IRS DOENS'T MAKE THAT PUBLIC? PEOPLE WORK AND TAXES ARE TAKEN AWAY BUT THEY NEVER SEE THAT MONEY
Hey Enforce from Phoenix. Invaders? People that come to the United States to work? I'm Mexican and I completely agree that non-citizen people have to become legal or leave. But don't try to make this issue like is the immigrants fault for all the bad outcomes of this country. I think is funny when Americans say that immigrants take away jobs. Wrong. Tell me how many hispanis you see in street corners begging for money? Nonce They are working. Construction, landscaping etc. Jobs that Americans don't want to do and if they do they want a higher pay.
Well Janice, I can really tell my your comment that you are very ignorant. You don't even know what you are saying that Mexicans are barbaric and uncivilized. If you are so civilized what do you give an opinion about a race you don't even know. I'm Mexican and I'm probably more civilized and educated than you. Freedom of speech doesn't mean to comment about a race you don't know.
JANICE, You can rest assured that I enjoy your post , I live in the city and rarely get to witness backwood logic, you are better than the movie Deliverance. You & your cheerleader Violet carry on with your remarks , I find you amusing & I am certain anyone reading these post do as well , It's kind of like getting to watch a freak show without paying for it . You keep up the good work & be sure an not break that jug on your toe, I know it's probably empty, you sound as if you have been nipping at it! CHEERS!
Carol. you can also quit depriving me of my rights, it is called "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." THe Mexican people are the most physically violent people I know. They are barbaric and uncivilized.
Violet: Thanks , now you and I both have "crossed the line." I guess Carol and Robin both are this sites police. I think they are both control freaks. I wonder what they think gives them the power to dictate to other people what they can and can not say. Oh, I know, STUPIDITY. I think Carol needs to ride her goat home and feed it.
violet...it's called "report offensive language." The link is for those that step over the line....and calling a people inherently violent and barbaric because of their race certainly crosses that line.
Truth seeker, yes...the reality is that there are not going to be "sweeps." They'll just deal with illegals as they run into them. The law, like many other laws, serves as a deterrent more than anything else. Some will head for other states. Ed Kelley (editor) claims this is a federal issue, but the feds have already been slapped for violating "states rights" on the issue in other states. So....yes, it has to be a state issue.. Oklahoma has done it's part and paved the way for other states to do similarly (finally). There again, it just gives mainly states control over their social services money more than anything else.
38 MILLION unlawful invaders are living in this country! Congratulations, Oklahoma!
The U. S. A. needs a President who will demand that our immigration laws be enforced. TOM TANCREDO will fight for citizens, our rights, our freedoms, our jobs, and he will make sure this country remains English speaking.
This is for Jack McBrayer... I think you should take some history classes before saying that illegal "aliens" are only coming here to make this country theirs. If you had taken some history, you should be able to know that this country did not belong to "United Statians", and I say that because if I say "Americans" I mean both North and South America, it seems like the United States wants to take full credit for the "American" name don't you think? Also, part of what the United States is today once belonged to Mexico. So if you are saying that they only want to make this country theirs, you are absolutely wrong, it is the United States that began that in the first place after invading Mexico City with their army to "hand over the land". Since you are retired, you might use the time to take some classes!!!!!!!!!
Rest assured, I wholly support the new law. On the other side of the coin, the hateful remarks Janice made characterizing a race has no place here...and will not be tolerated. There is a line that should not be crossed, and I hate it when good laws are tainted because some of the vocal supporters are blatant racists. It's not a race issue..it's a law issue.
The only local law enforcement authorities in the state trained to carry out enforcement of this new law are in Tulsa. Most local law enforcement officials say that this law will not impact their daily routines - they are not going to actively seek out illegals, but only deal with them when they are stopped for traffic violations or arrested for committing other crimes. I really don't see that this bill will have that much of an impact unless the local police departments are provided money for additional staff in addition to money for increased jail space. I personally would rather my local police department spend time catching the burglars, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc. than running around searching for illegal aliens. Once they are rounded up, where are the police going to put them? Our jails are full.
My thoughts... I would like to help my neighbors. I would rather see factories in Mexico rather than in China. Hopefully, this type of busines would expand their economy, so that the Mexican people would want to stay in their homelands and be with their families, rather than leave them. This involves the American and Mexican leaders working together on business ventures. Also, I would grant citizenship to Mexican people who are willing to enlist in the US Army and fight for our country. Please pray for our leaders. Thanks for your time, Me =)
Carlos, I've read thru most of your comments, and you sound like a pretty solid teenager. However, even though you were 3 when it happened, you did commit a crime. The adults that you were with were responsible for you, so you had no choice, but you did come into the country illegally. Your statements that you are illegal but have not committed a crime is like saying you stole a car, and now that you have it, you want to keep it. You came into the country illegally, now that your here you want to stay. The U.S. is to blame for not enforcing the laws to begin with. Now that they are trying to enforce them, the US is being branded. The new laws in OK are there to help the Federal government enforce the laws that are already written. If you want to be legal, I would suggest you find out what it is you need to do as if you were still in Mexico, then while this stuff is being worked out here in the US, you will always have a plan. Good luck.
I say Carlos is an adult, pretending to be a child, thinking he can lay a guilt trip on people for supporting H.B. 1804. I, for one,am not falling for it.
Here is a link to an article that makes connections to the Pioneer Fund and Hitler: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/bio-ethics/americanbreedpage.cfm
Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis. I finally found the source for all of the weird figures that have been quoted on this website related to the economic impact of "illegals" PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FIGURES THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF "illegals" IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A CURRENT SPOKESMAN OF F.A.I.R., Jack Martin. So even though the article is purported to be factual it isn't based in fact yet its figures have been spouted in the national press and here on this forum. Don't you all feel a little bit manipulated? http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d
Here is some background on the "F.A.I.R." organization that provided the language, I.E. wrote, the legislation that we are discussing: Federation for American Immigration Reform www.fairus.org Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism. Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control." FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000. Direct link to this page: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14
i think i have become a bloggy. this is addicting.been following this for a week.man i need to find somthing else to do.have fun guys and gals.i think i will practice mowing my own lawn and then see if i can clean my own house.this could get rough.wish me luck.good night.
I love this new law and im glad it came into effect, my only question is what took so long i mean its pretty sad when you go to the south side of okc its like your going to mexico, i mean nothing agaist anyone but the fact of the matter is the illegal immigrants are taking over our state and for the rest of oklahomans that dont agree with that, are we not supposed to not say anything? i think not..if they want to be apart of our country then apply to become a citizen like the others that came here legally. im sick and tired of it. THANK GOD for this law!
Carol in Tuttle: Why no, I have not been out in this world like you have, I guess I should move to TUTTLE so I can become more worldly. I have never even been out from under this rock, never even seen daylight. I hope when I come to Tuttle that there are plenty of mats so I can wipe the mud off of my feet. Oh yes, I am just shaking, I expect the police to knock on my door any minute!!! You would not no what KKK activities were if it hit you in the face. May I suggest that you get back on that goat that you rode in on and ride right back where you came from.
Mark is exactly right. The race card is a last resort when nothing else works. Accusing someone of being a racist is easy, and defending against it is hard. The best defense is to do what the accuser wants you to do, which is precisely why the race card gets played in the first place. They might as well wave the white flag of surrender because that is what it means.
HARVEY: "who is next? Fat people? Gays? Christians? Balding White men? Asian men over 6 ft tall? Who?" Actually all of the above are included in HB 1804, it is targeted at ILLEGALS and those that are helping them remain ILLEGAL. HB 1804 is not in the least racist, it is the Harveys of the world that are trying to make this a racist issue.
Carlos, I thought you were an adult. I really don't know what to say. From your posts on here it's pretty evident you are a good and decent person. I believe you will come out on top in the end. Stay strong, my friend and I hope everything works out for you.
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ANCHORBABY,ANCHORSENIORS
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE FAX EMAIL USCONGRESS
VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!
BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANICS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
ANCHORBABYS,ANCHORSENIORS
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE,FAX,EMAIL USCONGRESS
VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!NOW!
BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
For others who are sympathetic to illegals,40% of our prisons are occupied by illegal aliens, not immigrants....immigrants are those who want to be a part of this country, not take over the country. All tax payers combined are paying $600 billion a year for illegals. This is 10 times as much as what they "supposedly" bring in for the country by working here and taking away from citizens. Medical Insurance premiums would go down if it were not for illegals, government would have to spend less on social service programs,prisons would have to spend less for those incarcerated with less in prison. Crimes of rape,and murder would decrease, etc. This would mean that those like myself who cannot afford Medical Insurance "might" be able to actually get it at affordable prices. our 9,3 million homeless would shrink, our 23.8 million unemployed would find jobs etc. Construction jobs ARE jobs that Americans will do.
IT jobs ARE jobs Americans will do. Farming job ARE jobs that Americans will do. What Americans will not do is demean themselves to do the jobs for less then minimum wage, like the illegal will do. I could quote statistics from several different sources to include the Federal Government, that would make those who sympathize with the illegals, make you hair stand on end. American people need to wise up and know that Al Quada is using the Drug Cartels infuence to get arms to sleeper cells. We are in a fight for our lives. If you do not think so, then you are living in lala land. I have had my own experience with terrorist and would not wish it on my worst enemy. Think of each and every American as a "deer" and it is open season with no bag limit. Time to wake up and wipe to bullseye off your backside and you head out of it as well. 3000 new illegals everyday = 1,095,000 a year or more. Hope you have room in your house, because I sure don't in mine.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!ALL NOW!
THE HEAD OF I.C.E.,I.N.S.,C.I.S. IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN LATINO ANCHORBABY
GOV.ARIZONA JANET NAPOLITAN IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
U.S.C.B.P. HEAD DAVID AGULAR IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ACHORBABY
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!
HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINOS DO NOT BELONG IN THE USA
BEWARE OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
VOID 1983 ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY NOW!
LATINO,HISPANIC,AFRICAN ALIENS DONT BELONG IN THE USA
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home. 8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Sounds a bit harsh, but those are the immigration laws of "MEXICO".
THE HEAD OF USCBP DAVID AGUILAR IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE GOV OF ARIZONA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY JANET NAPOLITANO
DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT DONT TRUST US GOV
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DONT BELNOG IN USA
They are so overcrowed, overburdened, overworked, and the U.S. is so far in debt to its self and can not continue to tax the hell out of the citizens to no end... We will fall from this and other things going on if checks and laws are not put in place and enforced.
Illegals have reeped enough freebies and have known they could have to pay up at anytime, and they did nothing to become legal... Now they cry foul... GO HOME... Become legal on your way back or stay out!!
I keep seeing these made up figures on the impact of illegal immigrants. Can anyone provide a source that doesn't lead back to F.A.I.R.?
If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But, knowing what I know as an American:-------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.--------------------------------------------------------
I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.-----------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.----------------------------------------------------------
I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
*public education for my children
*welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
*free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
*consistently clean and safe water
*vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
*indoor plumbing
*affordable public transportation
*a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
*good roads
*reliable electricity
*public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
*police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
*garbage pick-up and sanitation services
*free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
*graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
*abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
*basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.----------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Previous post along with this post and all the ones before - sums it up... It's about LEAGAL .VS ILLEGAL
She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico
High integrity, ethical invitation
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.
Warning: Foul language
1. Matthew, the case was *United States vs. Darby*. In that case the USSC proclaimed the Tenth Amendment a mere "truism". It is *United States vs. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941)*. 2. *lex naturalis* (natural law) can be said to have originated with Aristotle: I well understand that. I reject that overall historical comparison due to the fact that I believe Thomas Aquinas, though a genius, over-played his hand while trying to make Aristotle's theses fit thirteenth century circumstances. 3. Hobbes was closest to right about it, no doubt, but even Blackstone never pretended it had any binding standing beyond what a political body wished to give it. For better or worse, we are stuck with legal positivism.
Sherian, Norman
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It is hard to believe ignorant people like this exist!
The Native American take over was so many years ago it doesn't even pertain to anything today.
Mexicans stole this land from the Indians and the Spanish. No one says a thing about THAT? Mexico's flag was here for 26 years big deal?
People use this dumb argument because they have no business being here.
It's the United States now---GET OVER IT!
WELL ANSWER THIS.
WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY THEY DON'T CLAIM GO?
HOW COME IRS DOENS'T MAKE THAT PUBLIC? PEOPLE WORK AND TAXES ARE TAKEN AWAY BUT THEY NEVER SEE THAT MONEY
The U. S. A. needs a President who will demand that our immigration laws be enforced. TOM TANCREDO will fight for citizens, our rights, our freedoms, our jobs, and he will make sure this country remains English speaking.
TOM TANCREDO for President 2008
Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis. I finally found the source for all of the weird figures that have been quoted on this website related to the economic impact of "illegals" PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FIGURES THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF "illegals" IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A CURRENT SPOKESMAN OF F.A.I.R., Jack Martin. So even though the article is purported to be factual it isn't based in fact yet its figures have been spouted in the national press and here on this forum. Don't you all feel a little bit manipulated? http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d
Here is some background on the "F.A.I.R." organization that provided the language, I.E. wrote, the legislation that we are discussing: Federation for American Immigration Reform www.fairus.org Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism. Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control." FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000. Direct link to this page: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14