Crowd protests immigration law
Crowd protests immigration law

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANICS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
ANCHORBABY,ANCHORSENIORS


DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!


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VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!

BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANICS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!

TO B WHO WROTE THIS>>>>>>>>> " In the words of that great American Dandy Don Meredith......."Turn out the lights.....the parties over.....they say all good things....must come to an end"............... Adios....amigos">>>>>> SWEETIE, I WAS AT THE GEORGE LOPEZ COMEDY SHOW LAST NIGHT AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING. WE (LATINOS) ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!!! DEAL WITH IT.

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
ANCHORBABYS,ANCHORSENIORS

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!

TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE,FAX,EMAIL USCONGRESS

VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!NOW!

BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.

loida, you may be Mexican American, however, when you say in Spanish that you live for Mexico and all Latin Countries, you are spitting in the eye of the country you are living in. I am of mixed heritage, I have Cherokee indian, welsh, German and half Irish in me, I qualify for an Irish passport. But My birth was here in the United States of America, my heart is here with the United States of America, I protect, the United States of America. I do not hear you say that you are an American of Mexican persuasion? That would be like me saying I am a Irish,Cherokee,Welsh, & German American. No....I AM AN AMERICAN, RED,WHITE AND BLUE!

For others who are sympathetic to illegals,40% of our prisons are occupied by illegal aliens, not immigrants....immigrants are those who want to be a part of this country, not take over the country. All tax payers combined are paying $600 billion a year for illegals. This is 10 times as much as what they "supposedly" bring in for the country by working here and taking away from citizens. Medical Insurance premiums would go down if it were not for illegals, government would have to spend less on social service programs,prisons would have to spend less for those incarcerated with less in prison. Crimes of rape,and murder would decrease, etc. This would mean that those like myself who cannot afford Medical Insurance "might" be able to actually get it at affordable prices. our 9,3 million homeless would shrink, our 23.8 million unemployed would find jobs etc. Construction jobs ARE jobs that Americans will do.
IT jobs ARE jobs Americans will do. Farming job ARE jobs that Americans will do. What Americans will not do is demean themselves to do the jobs for less then minimum wage, like the illegal will do. I could quote statistics from several different sources to include the Federal Government, that would make those who sympathize with the illegals, make you hair stand on end. American people need to wise up and know that Al Quada is using the Drug Cartels infuence to get arms to sleeper cells. We are in a fight for our lives. If you do not think so, then you are living in lala land. I have had my own experience with terrorist and would not wish it on my worst enemy. Think of each and every American as a "deer" and it is open season with no bag limit. Time to wake up and wipe to bullseye off your backside and you head out of it as well. 3000 new illegals everyday = 1,095,000 a year or more. Hope you have room in your house, because I sure don't in mine.

HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINO ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!ALL NOW!

THE HEAD OF I.C.E.,I.N.S.,C.I.S. IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN LATINO ANCHORBABY
GOV.ARIZONA JANET NAPOLITAN IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
U.S.C.B.P. HEAD DAVID AGULAR IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ACHORBABY

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!

HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINOS DO NOT BELONG IN THE USA

BEWARE OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES

VOID 1983 ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY NOW!

My American flag is up along with several others that I have noticed in the neighbor hood around sixteen in all. I want one thing to be known. This is an answer to the radical Hispanic groups that have raised the Mexican flag in our country and marched on the U.S with demands of Americans to leave’s have no problems with the ones who work, collect no government assistance and support themselves they are the ones who have no problem with our flag and respect it. However it will send a mesege to the radical hispancis that we are united. I urge all those concerned to show our colors.

Right on Sandy. I'd vote for you today.

TRANSLATE LATINO=BLACK,BROWN INDIAN SLAVE FAMILIES

LATINO,HISPANIC,AFRICAN ALIENS DONT BELONG IN THE USA

Don't forget the $10,000 and the job you have to have before you can settle there. If these illegal Mexicans are such upstanding people and there are so many well educated and skilled people then go back to Mexico and change things there. The weather is better there anyway. You can't chane a thing by running away. Also, if things are so bad, why does half of my office want to go back there and live in 10 or 15 years? Go back and sell your oil to the enemies of the US. Mexico is oil rich. Buy the way ask what they do along their southern borders to keep illegals out.

We could end all this debate if we would just adopt the immigration laws of Mexico. Their laws are simple and straight-forward. 1. There will be no bilingual programs in the schools,no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language. 2. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. 3.Foreigners will never have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here. 4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home. 8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Sounds a bit harsh, but those are the immigration laws of "MEXICO".

HOW MANY LATINO ALIENS IN BUSH FAMILY 1,10,50,100.....THE HEAD OF CIS INS IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE HEAD OF USCBP DAVID AGUILAR IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE GOV OF ARIZONA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY JANET NAPOLITANO
DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT DONT TRUST US GOV

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DONT BELNOG IN USA

Hey, people, QUIT being scammed by this CARLOS. He is an ADULT!!!!!!

koco.com(chanel 5)has a pole going.so far 2516 votes are in.1906 are for HB1804.610 are against.lets all place our vote and see who wants what.

ok. Guys, now this is cool !! I am seeing American flags popping up every ware lots of homes are raising our nation’s flag. I will have mine up this weekend. Who’s with me?

Oops - computer is crocked.

Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.

Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.

Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.

Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.

Where this country made its mistake was installing "Dial 2 for Spanish." Our forefathers had to learn this language. We gave them the best of both worlds. Shouldn't have done it.

Violet: The answer to your question, "Does H.B. 1804 nulify the law of prenatal care for illegals. NO, it does not, but Randy Terrill is working on a new law to change that, also.

I like the picture with the protesters holding the American flag. Where was that when they protested a few months ago and they were all holding Mexican flags?

Well, Stallin may be correct with all you Liberal Bleeding Hearts out there... The U.S. will fall from within from letting illegals in, to continue to overload our (Jo these are news FACTS) health care, social security, welfare, courts, prisons, etc., etc...
They are so overcrowed, overburdened, overworked, and the U.S. is so far in debt to its self and can not continue to tax the hell out of the citizens to no end... We will fall from this and other things going on if checks and laws are not put in place and enforced.
Illegals have reeped enough freebies and have known they could have to pay up at anytime, and they did nothing to become legal... Now they cry foul... GO HOME... Become legal on your way back or stay out!!

T- what u think?, Spencer,
I keep seeing these made up figures on the impact of illegal immigrants. Can anyone provide a source that doesn't lead back to F.A.I.R.?

I think illegal immigrants have it relatively easy considering the fact that they've broken the law in GETTING here and have defied the law in STAYING here and have evaded the law in HOMESTEADING here.-----------------------------------------------------------------
If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But, knowing what I know as an American:-------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.--------------------------------------------------------
I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.-----------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.----------------------------------------------------------
I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
*public education for my children
*welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
*free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
*consistently clean and safe water
*vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
*indoor plumbing
*affordable public transportation
*a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
*good roads
*reliable electricity
*public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
*police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
*garbage pick-up and sanitation services
*free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
*graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
*abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
*basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.----------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Previous post along with this post and all the ones before - sums it up... It's about LEAGAL .VS ILLEGAL

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,

"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --

If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich

Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.



At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases

Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico

High integrity, ethical invitation

We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

Carlos , I doubt that your awake with school & everything on Friday but I went to your myspace page & put in a request to be put on your friend list, I dont know if i did it right but if so I guess you will let me know! Carlos just for the record I am for this HB but I would still like to help you figure out how to become legal & maybe even try to raise the funds for you to get started , it's an offer.

I didn't know there was a mini riot in LA in May! for videos, google Macarthur Park videos LA.
Warning: Foul language

Thanks Jason, the 2 bills just seem to contradict each other.

Mike from Soonerland, thanks for asking. The reception, like the seemingly ten thousand ones before it, was nice. There was food. There were drinks. There was...zzzzzzz. We were late, and my wife was giving me the business all the way - as well she should have. Had she known we were delayed by me posting here, instead of *working* on something serious, earlier this evening might well have been my posting finale at this fine forum... :-)

Okay, here's some things to tidy up my participation in this thread (earlier I was rushed):

1. Matthew, the case was *United States vs. Darby*. In that case the USSC proclaimed the Tenth Amendment a mere "truism". It is *United States vs. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941)*. 2. *lex naturalis* (natural law) can be said to have originated with Aristotle: I well understand that. I reject that overall historical comparison due to the fact that I believe Thomas Aquinas, though a genius, over-played his hand while trying to make Aristotle's theses fit thirteenth century circumstances. 3. Hobbes was closest to right about it, no doubt, but even Blackstone never pretended it had any binding standing beyond what a political body wished to give it. For better or worse, we are stuck with legal positivism.

This isn't about race, or national origin, or native language. This is about obeying the law. Those who paint anti-illegal immigrant activists as racists or xenophobes only do so because it is all they have. They certainly cannot say illegal immigrants haven't broken the law. I don't doubt that most of them are here to work and not cause trouble. I agree that there are a lot of American citizens who are not worthy of their citizenship, but unfortunately we cannot take it away from them. I'll be the first to admit that the US government and American corporations are just as much to blame for the illegal immigration problem as the immigrants themselves. Statistics on whether illegal immigrants commit more or fewer crimes per capita than other groups, or whether they pay more or less in taxes than they receive in benefits, are beside the point. It all boils down to one thing - they are here illegally, and therefore they should not be allowed to have jobs, to have a say in the affairs of our country, and especially to receive amnesty and eventually become citizens. I have sympathy for these folks (especially ones like Carlos, who were brought here as kids and essentially have no country). However, my loyalty lies to my fellow citizens first. (By the way, Carlos, I am going to say something that is going to sound bad, but understand I am not trying to be mean. You are 15 and you have been here for about 12 years. Given that, your English is not very good. If you want to show people that you are as American as any kid who was born here, you have to impress people and be able to sway their opinions to your cause. A HUGE part of that is being able to speak and write English as well as...no, BETTER than...native-born Americans. I know most American teenagers aren't very good at spelling and grammar, but you have to do it better than the rest of them. I feel for kids like you, Carlos, I really do. I hope that one day - after we secure the border and ensure that adults who knowingly came to the US illegally can never be citizens - kids like you are given a chance to become American citizens. Buena suerte.)

violet from Yukon said: "Jason, I've been wondering about something. Do you know if the house bill nullified the previous bill set forth by the Health Care Authorities which stated that prenatal care and birth of babies born to illegals will be paid for?" violet, per my understanding it does not. I'm pretty sure that the Health Care Authority has delegated power to make bureaucratic law, and it would take an explicit act of the Oklahoma legislature to override it, I do believe. If anyone else more informed than me would like to weigh in here to answer violet's question, please do so. I'm not all that sure of my facts as they pertain here, and I want to state that up front. I rarely post with certainty unless I'm *certain*.

Thanks Eric. I'm frequently in your neck of the woods and you guys have a much bigger problem than we do. This bill would NEVER fly in Texas.

Geez, you want to talk about racist; how bout Dog the Bounty Hunter........

You go Oklahoma! Be a guide for the rest of the U.S. to follow. We need our border laws enforced! Until we cut off the safety valve for the elitist Mexican government, there will be no real reform, stoppage of corruption or improvement in that countries economy.

Welcome back, Jason. How was the reception?

Jason, I've been wondering about something. Do you know if the house bill nullified the previous bill set forth by the Health Care Authorities which stated that prenatal care and birth of babies born to illegals will be paid for? I noticed the new bill states no public assistance to illegals.(or was it reduced assistance?)

"but it was okay for the original white men from europe who thought it was their god given right to take this land from the indians and mexicans? your ancestors were the original illegals, and no one cares about that...payback thats all."
Sherian, Norman
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It is hard to believe ignorant people like this exist!
The Native American take over was so many years ago it doesn't even pertain to anything today.
Mexicans stole this land from the Indians and the Spanish. No one says a thing about THAT? Mexico's flag was here for 26 years big deal?
People use this dumb argument because they have no business being here.
It's the United States now---GET OVER IT!

Matthew said: "It is perfectly legal for an illegal immigrant to exercise free speech. It sounds confusing, but it's not." Oh Matthew, it isn't confusing to *me* at all, though that's not what your original post was all about, or so it seemed to me. If I "misunderstood," I apologize. Allow me to answer your last post by using an analogy - an *apt* analogy, unlike the one the pro-illegal alien apologists in this forum are constantly trotting out. In this imaginary scenario, I am a person who deeply resents Oklahoma's marijuana laws. I am also a person who routinely flouts those laws. One fine November evening, I attend a rally on the grounds of the Oklahoma state Capitol protesting those laws. I also am carrying a bag of marijuana in my left front pants pocket. I hold up a sign that says "bong hits for Jesus!", er, uh, no, that was another case (:-;)...I hold up one that says "Legalize Pot Now!" A uniformed member of the Capitol Patrol approaches me at some point, an asks point-blank: "Sir, are you currently in possession of Marijuana?" I answer, "Yes, but I'm only here to exercise my First Amendment rights to protest what I believe is an unjust law!!!" Am I immune from arrest? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? NO, I am not. I may well be able to argue in court that the Capitol Patrol officer *only* approached me to ask that question because I was attending that particular rally and holding that specific sign, and had no other probable cause. But the *FACT* of my uncontested illegal behavior, i.e., that bag of dope in my pants, would likely mitigate against me before the judge, and even more so due to the fact that I was standing on property belonging to the state of Oklahoma when I was subjected to that law enforcement officer's inquiry. Now, flip it over to this (I'm sure you saw this coming): what if I were an illegal alien at the rally earlier this afternoon, and that same Capitol Patrol officer asked me "are you in this country legally?"--and I said I was not. Matthew, I believe you see and understand the crux of the legal question here. I don't doubt for a second that you grasp it, and that your intellect tells you I'm right. For the record, I'll state again that I believe any attempt by law enforcement to arrest an illegal immigrant protesting peacefully on the grounds of the state capitol of Oklahoma today would have been both silly and antithetical to common sense. But it would *NOT* have been illegal per the Constitution in general nor the First Amendment in particular -which was my only point all along. Now, do we agree?

This is terrible! There are too many assumptions. For one not all illegal immigrants are hispanic and not all hispanics are from Mexico. If the problem is violence and drug trafficing from Mexico then put forth effort to stop that. This law is going to start a big problem of hate crime. And whomever said that people who are illegal cant read english needs to stop talking before thinking. Most of illegals here are well educated, they remain to themselves and are just here to have a better life, last time i checked that was not a crime. I am totally against this law i think it will make more problems than help. This is nothing more than extreme diversity and segregation. People assume that all hispanics are illegal and they judge them just by the way they look.

Janice wene you wrote that about me i was cracking up. here is my Myspace. "Myspace.com/carlosviezcas"

Not near as amusing as you. Talk about cheerleader- I had someone over and they were reading these forums, and everyone was laughing at how you ROBIN, have something to say to practically every guy who says something. "Good one" "Oh, you are good". We came to the conclusion that you need attention badly! Every one is laughing at YOU! We also feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone who needs that much attention! Someone also mentioned how MUCH you are on here with your silly cheerleading tactics. The other day, someone called you a REDNECK HILLBILLY, I've never said anything like that to you; yet you continue to attack me. I've said it before; I'll say it again. QUIT STALKING ME!! If you only knew how many people are laughing at you that have said something about it to me! Promise me you really will dismiss me, STALKER!

Rosa Parks and the German Schindler were criminals too. Who was morally right in those areas? I'm sure that Janice would have been the first one to lock those two up. Damned criminals!

Good point Lizeth. That's what we Hispanics try to make Americans understand. But they seem to only label us as criminals and not hard workers

Janice you just think that you're better than everybody else but you're not!!

Cale, I think Janice is just "stirring the pot". I'm sure she will correct me if I'm wrong. She sounds very similar to another poster who was pulling everyones leg on here. Remember Martha?

Why don't people understand that illegal people pay taxes too and that most of them are here to work, I know there's bad people that come here to do bad stuff but that doesn't mean that everyone is the same way, and I don't think everybody should pay for some one else's mistakes.

HAHA. Is funny how they say Mexicans are invaders. If you didn't know Texas, Colorado, Arizaona, New Mexico use to belong to Mexico. But there's nothing that can be done anymore. Right? Well and almost all of Americans come from backgrounda from France, Ireland, Germany. Think, think, think. The goverment is now realizing that Hispanics will have power like they did before when these states belong to them. That's why United States is accusing immigrants as criminals. But the are NOT. They are hard workers. That's it. Prisons are full of criminals. Are they all Mexicans? NOOO

Not near as amusing as you. Talk about cheerleader- I had someone over and they were reading these forums, and everyone was laughing at how you ROBIN, have something to say to practically every guy who says something. "Good one" "Oh, you are good". We came to the conclusion that you need attention badly! Every one is laughing at YOU! We also feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone who needs that much attention! Someone also mentioned how MUCH you are on here with your silly cheerleading tactics. The other day, someone called you a REDNECK HILLBILLY, I've never said anything like that to you; yet you continue to attack me. I've said it before; I'll say it again. QUIT STALKING ME!! If you only knew how many people are laughing at you that have said something about it to me! Promise me you really will dismiss me, STALKER!

Janice, Is your head pointed or do you just iron those sheets to stay up like that? Muskogee, where wisdom goes to die.

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYONE THAT'S TRYING TO BLAME NON-CITIZENS FOR EVERYTHING. PEOPLE CLAIM THAT TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON THEM.
WELL ANSWER THIS.
WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY THEY DON'T CLAIM GO?
HOW COME IRS DOENS'T MAKE THAT PUBLIC? PEOPLE WORK AND TAXES ARE TAKEN AWAY BUT THEY NEVER SEE THAT MONEY

Hey Enforce from Phoenix. Invaders? People that come to the United States to work? I'm Mexican and I completely agree that non-citizen people have to become legal or leave. But don't try to make this issue like is the immigrants fault for all the bad outcomes of this country. I think is funny when Americans say that immigrants take away jobs. Wrong. Tell me how many hispanis you see in street corners begging for money? Nonce They are working. Construction, landscaping etc. Jobs that Americans don't want to do and if they do they want a higher pay.

Violet you & Janice have been dismissed by me, I have nothing to say to either of you as far as I am concerned you are both simply amusing.

Well Janice, I can really tell my your comment that you are very ignorant. You don't even know what you are saying that Mexicans are barbaric and uncivilized. If you are so civilized what do you give an opinion about a race you don't even know. I'm Mexican and I'm probably more civilized and educated than you. Freedom of speech doesn't mean to comment about a race you don't know.

Now why are you talking like that Robin? I havent said a word to you. Believe me, you have said MUCH MORE than I have.

JANICE, You can rest assured that I enjoy your post , I live in the city and rarely get to witness backwood logic, you are better than the movie Deliverance. You & your cheerleader Violet carry on with your remarks , I find you amusing & I am certain anyone reading these post do as well , It's kind of like getting to watch a freak show without paying for it . You keep up the good work & be sure an not break that jug on your toe, I know it's probably empty, you sound as if you have been nipping at it! CHEERS!

Carol. you can also quit depriving me of my rights, it is called "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." THe Mexican people are the most physically violent people I know. They are barbaric and uncivilized.

Violet: Thanks , now you and I both have "crossed the line." I guess Carol and Robin both are this sites police. I think they are both control freaks. I wonder what they think gives them the power to dictate to other people what they can and can not say. Oh, I know, STUPIDITY. I think Carol needs to ride her goat home and feed it.

I've been hearing Tancredos name a lot lately. I guess I need to check out his agenda.

oh...and no one can delete another's post. It just merely alerts the oklahoman and they decide if it's crossed the line or not.

violet...it's called "report offensive language." The link is for those that step over the line....and calling a people inherently violent and barbaric because of their race certainly crosses that line.

Truth seeker, yes...the reality is that there are not going to be "sweeps." They'll just deal with illegals as they run into them. The law, like many other laws, serves as a deterrent more than anything else. Some will head for other states. Ed Kelley (editor) claims this is a federal issue, but the feds have already been slapped for violating "states rights" on the issue in other states. So....yes, it has to be a state issue.. Oklahoma has done it's part and paved the way for other states to do similarly (finally). There again, it just gives mainly states control over their social services money more than anything else.

Leave Janice alone. She's very intelligent. She's also entitled to her opinion.

38 MILLION unlawful invaders are living in this country! Congratulations, Oklahoma!
The U. S. A. needs a President who will demand that our immigration laws be enforced. TOM TANCREDO will fight for citizens, our rights, our freedoms, our jobs, and he will make sure this country remains English speaking.

TOM TANCREDO for President 2008

Robert,you are correct. We are doing the job the Feds should have been enforcing all along. I wonder how they feel right about now?

This is for Jack McBrayer... I think you should take some history classes before saying that illegal "aliens" are only coming here to make this country theirs. If you had taken some history, you should be able to know that this country did not belong to "United Statians", and I say that because if I say "Americans" I mean both North and South America, it seems like the United States wants to take full credit for the "American" name don't you think? Also, part of what the United States is today once belonged to Mexico. So if you are saying that they only want to make this country theirs, you are absolutely wrong, it is the United States that began that in the first place after invading Mexico City with their army to "hand over the land". Since you are retired, you might use the time to take some classes!!!!!!!!!

I didnt know we could delete posts...

Rest assured, I wholly support the new law. On the other side of the coin, the hateful remarks Janice made characterizing a race has no place here...and will not be tolerated. There is a line that should not be crossed, and I hate it when good laws are tainted because some of the vocal supporters are blatant racists. It's not a race issue..it's a law issue.

The only local law enforcement authorities in the state trained to carry out enforcement of this new law are in Tulsa. Most local law enforcement officials say that this law will not impact their daily routines - they are not going to actively seek out illegals, but only deal with them when they are stopped for traffic violations or arrested for committing other crimes. I really don't see that this bill will have that much of an impact unless the local police departments are provided money for additional staff in addition to money for increased jail space. I personally would rather my local police department spend time catching the burglars, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc. than running around searching for illegal aliens. Once they are rounded up, where are the police going to put them? Our jails are full.

CAROL in TUTTLE: I reported you for deleting my post!!!

My thoughts... I would like to help my neighbors. I would rather see factories in Mexico rather than in China. Hopefully, this type of busines would expand their economy, so that the Mexican people would want to stay in their homelands and be with their families, rather than leave them. This involves the American and Mexican leaders working together on business ventures. Also, I would grant citizenship to Mexican people who are willing to enlist in the US Army and fight for our country. Please pray for our leaders. Thanks for your time, Me =)

Carlos, I've read thru most of your comments, and you sound like a pretty solid teenager. However, even though you were 3 when it happened, you did commit a crime. The adults that you were with were responsible for you, so you had no choice, but you did come into the country illegally. Your statements that you are illegal but have not committed a crime is like saying you stole a car, and now that you have it, you want to keep it. You came into the country illegally, now that your here you want to stay. The U.S. is to blame for not enforcing the laws to begin with. Now that they are trying to enforce them, the US is being branded. The new laws in OK are there to help the Federal government enforce the laws that are already written. If you want to be legal, I would suggest you find out what it is you need to do as if you were still in Mexico, then while this stuff is being worked out here in the US, you will always have a plan. Good luck.

I say Carlos is an adult, pretending to be a child, thinking he can lay a guilt trip on people for supporting H.B. 1804. I, for one,am not falling for it.

Here is a link to an article that makes connections to the Pioneer Fund and Hitler: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/bio-ethics/americanbreedpage.cfm
Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis. I finally found the source for all of the weird figures that have been quoted on this website related to the economic impact of "illegals" PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FIGURES THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF "illegals" IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A CURRENT SPOKESMAN OF F.A.I.R., Jack Martin. So even though the article is purported to be factual it isn't based in fact yet its figures have been spouted in the national press and here on this forum. Don't you all feel a little bit manipulated? http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d

Here is some background on the "F.A.I.R." organization that provided the language, I.E. wrote, the legislation that we are discussing: Federation for American Immigration Reform www.fairus.org Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism. Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control." FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000. Direct link to this page: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14

i think i have become a bloggy. this is addicting.been following this for a week.man i need to find somthing else to do.have fun guys and gals.i think i will practice mowing my own lawn and then see if i can clean my own house.this could get rough.wish me luck.good night.

I love this new law and im glad it came into effect, my only question is what took so long i mean its pretty sad when you go to the south side of okc its like your going to mexico, i mean nothing agaist anyone but the fact of the matter is the illegal immigrants are taking over our state and for the rest of oklahomans that dont agree with that, are we not supposed to not say anything? i think not..if they want to be apart of our country then apply to become a citizen like the others that came here legally. im sick and tired of it. THANK GOD for this law!

Carol in Tuttle: Why no, I have not been out in this world like you have, I guess I should move to TUTTLE so I can become more worldly. I have never even been out from under this rock, never even seen daylight. I hope when I come to Tuttle that there are plenty of mats so I can wipe the mud off of my feet. Oh yes, I am just shaking, I expect the police to knock on my door any minute!!! You would not no what KKK activities were if it hit you in the face. May I suggest that you get back on that goat that you rode in on and ride right back where you came from.

Mark is exactly right. The race card is a last resort when nothing else works. Accusing someone of being a racist is easy, and defending against it is hard. The best defense is to do what the accuser wants you to do, which is precisely why the race card gets played in the first place. They might as well wave the white flag of surrender because that is what it means.

when you have nothing left in the bag to prove a point that is wrong you play the racist card.

"Oh what a beautiful morning - oh what a beautiful day. I got a beautiful feeling - everything's going my way."

HARVEY: "who is next? Fat people? Gays? Christians? Balding White men? Asian men over 6 ft tall? Who?" Actually all of the above are included in HB 1804, it is targeted at ILLEGALS and those that are helping them remain ILLEGAL. HB 1804 is not in the least racist, it is the Harveys of the world that are trying to make this a racist issue.

Carlos, I thought you were an adult. I really don't know what to say. From your posts on here it's pretty evident you are a good and decent person. I believe you will come out on top in the end. Stay strong, my friend and I hope everything works out for you.

Carlos, Oklahoma City,keep you nose clean and you should not have a problem.they not hunting any one down over this law.take care.

Look at it this way. I live on the NW side of OKC. A little more than a month ago, a very large portion of OKC'S most notorious gang members and repeat offenders were arrested. The biggest percentage of them were deported. I'd say 40 of them, but I'll have to find the report. I don't care if they have childeren or not. They (the illegals) need to be deported. I don't care what age, I don't care if it separates families. The illegal parents that came here and stole social security numbers for their childeren need to be taken away with their childeren back to where they came from just like the gang members were. I do not discriminate, unless you are legal, you need to go. You are not wanted. But then again, most illegals don't read english, so those of you who want them here can tell them what I am saying.

Kenny the problem in that is that i am only 15 years old and i can't work yet.with the money my parents have saved up is enough for me us to go to mexico and live there for a good time till i can get a working visa, but the problem is "Why do iwant to leave this Beautiful Country?" my parents tell me all the time that we might have to go back, and i argue saying "i dont want to. I love this country, why do i want to leave?" I want to at least finish High School here and then look at the possiblilty of going back to mexico.

Janice, you haven't been out in the world much or read very much about other cultures. Nor have you apparently ever laid eyes on a "National Geographic" magazine.

You're hatred is so blatant, I'm surprised you aren't under investigation. NewsOK.com has your info, and are required by law to divulge it to authorities, especially when it becomes apparent that your behavior may threaten others. ( e.g. kkk activities, etc.). We all have a right to our opinions, but there is a measure of responsibility.....

trust me,jason will be back in time.

Carlos, I feel for you, man. It's obvious that immigration laws need to be changed. I'm going to ask a question that is probably ignorant, but I really don't know the answer. Lots of people say you can live pretty cheaply in Mexico. Would it be possible to take any money you've saved and live on it until you could get a work visa? I'm not trying to argue, I'm merely curious.

Carlos, Oklahoma City, you know more about it than i do.crap!i hate to say you knew the chance you were taking.i hate the fact s#!t happens to the good people.wish there was a way to contact you in case i could help.good luck.really, good luck.

Matthew, you are correct. The courts have held that everyone, including those here illegally, are protected by the bill of rights. That still doesn't give them the right to remain.

I think Jason and I just misunderstood each other. It's too bad he had to leave.

Mark i have look for every possible way to become legal. But because i came illigely and never went threw any goverment way to be here. I can not becaome leggal. the only way is to wait 9 more years till my little sister becomes 18 and might be able to make me leggal. If theres another way i would like to know.

i see what you are saying Matthew

Janice, your comments seem barbaric. Maybe you should be quiet.

you sure can see the different mind levels here.

I stand behind my original post. It is perfectly legal for an illegal immigrant to exercise free speech. It sounds confusing, but it's not. They could be arrested for any number of other infractions or violations, just not for the mere act of protesting. That was my point. Therefore they are not immune from arrest, but they are immune from being arrested for exercising free speech, as is everyone in this country.

Folks, I've got a reception to attend. Check out that video replay of Channel 9 news at Six o'clock on Cox channel 53, they'll replay till Ten o'clock I think. Later.

Lily, just where do you think the Indians came from in the first place? Do you think they just popped up? No, they also came from someplace else. Probably from Asia, across the Bering Strait when they could walk across it. So I guess Indians of today would be descendants of immigrants, also.

Matthew, you certainly are not an attorney. You are not even very well educated. So, just be quite!!!!

Matthew, the Supreme Court itself has rendered the 10th amendment practically impotent by describing it merely as a "truism," as you surely know. I don't have the cite at hand, nor can I easily get it right now, but we both know that USSC pays scant attention to the 10th, especially when it comes to Civil Rights claims.

Matthew, allow me to quote you directly: "That is why it is perfectly legal for an illegal immigrant to protest legislation that will directly affect their life." Those are your words: I presume you stand behind them. Look at the nifty little modifier you used in that sentence, to wit, "illegal." Now, start over with my first post and re-read.

Immune from arrest? I didn't say that. I said they have a right to be there regardless of their status. If they are wanted fugitives or inciting violence is another matter. Then the State would be allowed to exercise it's police powers under the 10th Amendment and arrest them.

everone step back...this is getting good.

Matthew, my "history lesson" is my answer to your most recent question. I don't really know how else I can explain it.

I am aware you can not cite Natural Law in a court of law. Why was Habeus Corpus placed into the Constitution? Who put it there? Do you think those people were aware of the philosophical underpinnings of Natural Law?

Matthew, I never said they should be arrested for protesting. Indeed, I think that would be silly. I just didn't want anyone to buy into the notion you were peddling that they were somehow immune from arrest because they were protesting a law they didn't like -- anymore than a wanted fugitive would be immune from arrest because he/she was at a protest demonstrating against the FBI's unlawful flight to avoid prosecution statue.

Jason, thanks for the history lesson. What by the way have you shown me to be ignorant about? No matter what the state of Natural Law is today (Living Constitution, Original Intent), it had a profound influence on our Founding Fathers. That is why the documents were written the way they were. Please explain to me how I'm wrong?

By the by, Matthew: the reason Gitmo is in Cuba is largely to avoid habeas corpus filings. That doctrine is expressly enshrined in our Constitution, and backed up by statue. "Natural Law" is not the controlling legal doctrine.

Every time illegals come together to protest gather them up offer to put them on a bus back to Mexico those that do not board the bus should be dropped in the street and left for dead. Plain and simple. Leave one way or the other.

And Jason, if gathering to protest legislation were only legal for U.S. Citizens, why wasn't anyone arrested? Why hasn't anyone ever been arrested for protesting as a non-citizen? My point is they have every right under the Constitution to gather and protest. Whether you or I agree with their opinion is another issue.

Matthew, incorrect. "Natural Law" was grounded in the writings of numerous English (mostly) philosophers, and was predicated on a Judeo-Christian interpretation of the development of legal systems after the collapse of the Roman Empire. It's function today has been subsumed by the development of what leftists call "a living Constitution." Even conservatives these days mostly only pay lip service to "natural law," preferring instead to emphasize what they call "original intent." Do your clients know that you are ignorant of these historical facts of the development of legal doctrine in Western Civilization? I guess it wouldn't make any difference, depending on what kind of law you practice. But man, that's scary...

Carlos, Oklahoma City,,, that is great.have you looked into getting legal?? what do you need help on?folks like you need some help.you respect this country and that is alot.

Ches, Albany, thanks for the link.we really do need to organize.that is how they have gotton so far.

Jason, I have a Constitution, I am an attorney. Thanks for your advice. The Constitution, like the Declaration of Independence, borrows heavily from the beliefs of our founders that certain rights are guaranteed to us not only by a document, but by their legitimacy in the abstract. It's what known as Natural Law. They exist everywhere and to everyone. The This is why certain rights, like the Freedom of Speech, Due Process, Habeus Corpus, etc... are not guaranteed to only a class of people. Because of this legitimacy under Natural Law, anyone who has set foot on U.S. soil is guaranteed some type pf protection by the Constitution. This, by the way, is the reason why Camp Gitmo is in Cuba, not the U.S.

I came to the U.S. wene i was 3 years old, and i have been here for over over 10 years. I am yet to coomit a felony, or have every been arrested. yes i have done wrong things but i am human.I cannot do what all my friends do because I'm afraid of being arrested. I could'nt go to my Halloween Dance because it was held at Tinker Air Force Base. I was scraed that at the entrance they would ask for some form of I.D. from Oklahoma At school i try my best to have good grades to get a Scholorship beacause I can't ask for goverment assistence, so that they could lowne me money for my college. I came here Illigely and yet to commite a Felony. Have done nothing aggainst this country, Have defended this country. This is the best country in the world thats why my family Immigrated here. Not to couse trouble and ask for free things but to have a better life. to make something out of our lifes.

o.k lets all start over and play cowboys and mexicans.now that was bad, just kidding guys.had to say it

They really make this easy for us. Let them talk and others will begin to understand and realize the problems we are facing if we allow illegal aliens to stay.

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mary, oklahoma city,calling just americans lazy is a little racist there dont you think

Jason, Edmond,...welcom back

Some of you should be illegal. You sond like you are from God knows where. The law passed. Everyone get over it. Sooner or later we will all see the results. But hard workers can go anywhere and get ahead. Ignorance just sits still. If this law lasts long, Oklahoma will go back to the desert it was not too long ago. Good businessmen are not stupid. Well at least all of you will get your will no longer fight over your foodstamps right? Now there will be enough for your children when they grow up and don't want to push a shovel...

They have done march afte march after march and what do they get, more ire from OUR nation. This is asbolutely the only nation on Earth that tolerates outsiders coming in for the simple purpose of sedition. I am a firm believe that we did horrible wrongs to German and Japanese citizens during WWII. We based the success of our country on Black Americans and should have reached racial equality long ago. But that was different because we took ships over to Africa and forcibly removed or paid African tribes to remove nomadic Africans. They have a stake in the USA along with Native Americans who arrived here anywhere between 15,000 to 25,000 years ago. In fact, the president should be Native American along with most of the congress. Hispanics argue that they have rights to California and Texas. It was a plot line in the movie Wild, Wild West. This could be arguable but what you do is sue the USA in World Court, ask for U.N. Resolutions against the USA, or you declare war and fight to get back your lost land. If you just enter that country and try to effect change from within, that is sedition. Unlike with civil rights where you effect social change, these people are wanting to do things like modify the constituion, immigration laws, and social system benefits. This is why I would NOW endorse containment camps set up in every state until each and every one who passed and had kids illegally to be sent back to Mexico or what ever Latin country from which they came. This isn't race superiority because I believe all races are equal. But if you are here because you lived somewhere else and snuck in, you need to go back with bells on. Or better yet, you need a numeric tatoo and an embedded nano transmitter. Holocaustic in style, you bet, but you brought it on yourself since we didn't cross over into your country and bring you here.

Matthew, "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The legality of our law is based on the Constitution, which, incidentally, I urge to acquire a copy of before you post again about what's "legal" and not.

Certain rights, like that guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, are believed to be a natural and basic component to a free democracy. "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." That is why it is perfectly legal for an illegal immigrant to protest legislation that will directly affect their life.

Excellent post, T.A., and exactly right. I was just watching the video of the protest on Channel 9. A guy in a truck was arguing with some of the pro-illegal alien protesters. Behind the women he was arguing with, an Hispanic man could be seen in the background gesticulating at the man in the truck and you could hear him saying "take you out." That is the true face and voice of many of the illegal immigrants in this country, not the "hard worker" saint we're constantly told about: people willing to make threats and commit violence if they don't get their way. I encourage everyone to watch the News 9 rebroadcast of their Six o'clock news on Cox channel 53 to watch this disturbing exchange. Today in California, the gang MS-13 has made large parts of Los Angeles unlivable. That's apparently what many of our pro-illegal alien apologists want for Oklahoma tomorrow.

The reason there were only a FEW there to protest the protest is because they were all working to support the illegals that were there protesting. But I sure would love to have been there if for no other reason but to ask good old Isobel what makes her think she has any rights in a country that she even admits isn't hers. The ONLY right she has is to go back where she came from.

Violet, true. I recognize that side of the equation. I'm want to take away from China and bring those jobs back. That's why economic policies are important to encourage business to stay home. I believe the United States places too many taxes on business. That's why they go to China for slave labor. I'm not saying give all the jobs to Mexico, but it would help if we take those jobs away from China and bring them back to this hemisphere. Besides, most of their products get recalled anyway so what's the point? I'm not advocating for sending jobs here to Mexico, but taking those jobs already in China to move back to the United States and Mexico. We could have more control of products that are made since they're being made on the other side of the border rather than the other side of the ocean. Also, it makes no sense to me to support a communist government when we could support ourselves and a neighbor we do business with already. Again, the law is the law, but we need to do more for long-term prosperity and security.

This has nothing to do with what nationality you are. It has nothing to do with where you were born. It has everything to do with obeying the law. If you want to come here, come legally. Learn English. Not only is it illegal to come here without authorization, if you are working illegally you aren't paying taxes either. I have no problem with coming here to work but taxes need to be paid.

for some reason out of all the ill eagle immigrant that are coming over I have only noticed Hispanics causing the biggest fuss. Why is that? This is not a case of a few; this is a case of millions. It’s too bad that they chose to organize and march across the United States and wave the Mexican flag back in may and tell U.S citizens to get out that this land is there’s. I believe that’s what really sparked the problem. We were being shoved around by Hispanics and didn’t like it very well and shoved back and now they don’t like it since they have been able to run over any one by simple invasion by numbers or by law suits keeping the path clear. It’s too bad that a group of radical Hispanics ruined it for the rest. I wonder (not really) who is really to blame for this problem. Or did 80 percent of Americans wake up one day and think hey, I think we will mess with Mexicans. Every action has a reaction

No offense, China.

There are divisions of Whirlpool (Roper) that are assembled in Mexico. And there are several automotive companies with manufacturing and assembly there. We do have a substantial amount of production south of the border and they don't use lead based paint on toys.

Robert, a lot of jobs do go to Mexico. I worked for a company that shut down here and sent all of the jobs to Mexico.

You have to admit the Feds have let every state down by doing nothing. We should look at economic policies that could help with immigration policies. One example, why do we have stuff made in China, when it could be made in Mexico? Most people, not all, coming from Mexico want to find work. I say, let's help build up Mexico's economy so they won't have to come here, leave their families, etc...The real criminals are the greedy multinational firms seeking to hire illegal workers, so they don't have to pay regular corporate taxes and regular wages. Stop giving jobs to China and give jobs to Mexico and the United States. We can solve two problems with the same stroke of economic policy that helps Mexico and the United States. With that said, the law is the law. Many reforms are necessary and the pandering of political figures needs to stop. People are sick of it and want leaders who can actually lead.

Harvey , go get yourself one of those Arabic for dummies book's. Good Luck.

That would have been a perfect opportunity to round up some illegals and send them home!

Jack McBrayer gets it! A few years ago when there were just a few illegals, mostly single males, working and keeping quiet it was not so bad. In the last 2 ½ years illegal alien population in Oklahoma doubled. Whole families arrived and put a strain on our social services and schools. It became hard for our teenagers to get part time jobs. Crime increased, jails and prisons filled up, and “they” began demanding ‘rights’ they had not earned just because they snuck into our home.

The marches in OKC and Tulsa last year is what did it for me. The arrogance! Go home and march on your own government. You get no sympathy from me. You are impressing less than 15% of the people here. 85% of the people in Oklahoma demanded this bill. We want our State back; it does not belong to you. All HB1804 does is give state and local law enforcement the authority to enforce laws already in place at the federal level. I applaud Randy Terrill and Judge Payne. I support Tom Tancredo for President because he will see the federal law is enforced.

Carlos, I wish you were an american as well. Good luck& I sincerely hope you get to be one someday .

Robin-I don't speak Arabic and would like to learn.

And Sherian, there were no laws then. The US was sparsely populated and government didn't exist. Right or wrong, we are where we are. We have to live in the present, not the past.

LOL... good job mike...

Tim, you are hilarious !!!lol

Carlos, to answer your question I think anyone who immigrates here legally should be allowed here. Harvey, the beauty of this country is that we can say whatever we want whether or not the masses agree with our opinions. Don't take any of these posts personally. It's easy to vent on a post and it usually makes you feel better to discuss your feelings. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go watch Dr. Phil on my DVR.

Carlos, your post was really touching. That said so much when you said " so I could say I'm proud to be an American." Carlos, please go through the legal channels so that you can say that.

Harvey, Is there anything you don't do ????

Too bad ICE wasn't there at the protest to arrest all of the ILLEGAL immigrants. ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL no matter how you word it. PERIOD. They have NO business here. They willingly and wantonly commit felonies by ILLEGALLY CROSSING over our border (s) and STEALING social security numbers. Enough is enough. They have NO RIGHT to protest. They are here ILLEGALLY and are NOT citizens!

Mike, you just don't know. I am worse in person. I am very emphatic and adamant about my beliefs and convictions. People label me different things that are not very flattering.

mike your word is the only one that should count

but it was okay for the original white men from europe who thought it was their god given right to take this land from the indians and mexicans? your ancestors were the original illegals, and no one cares about that...payback thats all.

mike who do you think should be allowed to be here?

yeah i know what you mean its awsome

When illegals were seen but silent, everything was okay. Now that they're chirping up, they're starting to piss people off. Including me. I have no problems with legal immigrants, but the illegals sap our resources. They have to go.

What's funny is most of the people that get all worked up on posts wouldn't act that way in person. It's a way to freely express how you feel in an anonymous fashion. Most everyone on this post would probably get along just fine. We do it in society every day.

Lily,
The winners get to choose who and who is not a citizen, I'm not talking just about the US, the names, boarders and ethnic mix of europ and asia have changed so often over time you would never be able to go back to a "do over" same problem in the middle east. Every country's current govenment has the right to decide who can and who cannot come in. Try walking from Syria to Isreal some day.

It's just fun to get on here and argue and laugh at people while I get paid to sit in my cubicle and "work." It's a beautiful thing.....

Ok well good there is not many people like you

Oh I don't care one way or another. I don't feel bad about the whole Native American/White thing. I work hard and try to love everyone.

Then go ahead mike talk away i think your word should be respected....

I hate everyone!

'"This country is not ours, but since we are here, we are going to fight for our rights,” said Isobel Sauceda' Fight for your rights? Illegals have no rights except the right to go back where they came from.

And I'm Native American.......

OF ALL THE NERVE!
"This country is not ours, but since we are here, we are going to fight for our rights,” said Isobel Sauceda, an illegal immigrant".

It is foreigners like Isobel Sauceda that make me sick!
I hope ICE arrests her and the others and deports them.

Actually what you meant to say was that we're all decendents of immigrants. I was actually born here. I didn't immigrate.

we are all immigrants!!!!!! no one has room to talk BUT the NATIVE AMERICANS!!!

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin . . . But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American . . . There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag . . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language . . . and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.' - Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Another thing, you haters are going to continue to see dark skin, dark headed, dark eyed people and start crying and whining to anyone that will listen why this new state law is not working! You don't know who is legal or illegal. I bet not one person that was at the protest would have guessed I was not Hispanic or mixed with Hispanic. While we are on the subject, a few days ago, I posted that a woman yelled a derogatory name that is associated with Mexicans at me from a passing car. She is so stupid she don't know a mixed Native American/White from a Mexican. I think it was at that point I entertained due to her racism that it was on. I would be an opponent of HB 1804. The issues of social justice and liberty always need to be addressed. Like I mentioned, who is next? Fat people? Gays? Christians? Balding White men? Asian men over 6 ft tall? Who?

"if it were up to illigel immigrants to go threw the propper steps to become an american citizen, they would." Then who is it up to Carlos?

I agree that everyone here in the USA are immigrants besides the Indians, however I disagree that most of us are illegal. My ancesters did not take land from the Indians, but came to the USA later and legally. The USA has and is paying repriations to the Indians. Lets find a way for those that truely want to work here to become legalized and documented, earn a fair wage, and pay their fair share of taxes. The illegals should be deported, and Oklahoma should document each case and send a bill to the federal government for not DOING there job of enforcing laws already in the books.

So, to the illegals you think it is fair, not to earn what you recieve, we should just "hand it over"... while you take all our healthcare, aid, and our True citizens and children go without for you? Our children are in danger because you come here illegally hide out bring your diseases... and other things... because you can't come here legally? Is if fair for those that had to pay and get here.. I have a spanish friends.. but they are legal

Steve, Oklahoma City,i did not have to show I.D to get a voter i.d card.anyone can get one.but thatis another problem.got mine at the stae fair and it was mailed to me.

if it were up to illigel immigrants to go threw the propper steps to become an american citizen, they would. we are desendents of immigrants. except for Native Americans. i was born in Mexico, but i wish i was American. Not to get money from the goverment, but so that i could be able to say " I'm Pround to be an American"

It seems to me that immigrants (of all kinds, not just hispanics) come here to our country to do the jobs that many natural citizens won't do. I mean we're getting worked up over people that at least try to make a living an contribute to society, yet we'll tolerate people born in this country who collect unemployment or welfare or even stand on the street corner begging for money (next to a convenience store with a help wanted sign) when there are plenty of jobs aviailble. The problem as I see it is that our immigration system needs an overhaul. How long does it take to become a citizen - anyone know? Look it up - you'll be shocked that it takes that long. But instead of fixing the system, let's treat people like criminals when they come to this country for a better life and deny them public services if they don't have the necessary "papers". And don't forget to punsih the people that help them while they are waiting to become a citizen.

David if you come from the Vikings how did they procreate or did they have women on those ships? Or does explain why there are so many homosexuals in Topeka, did they figure out how to do the impossible?

Mi amor mi mexicano amigos y mi padrito amigo es mexicano. Before I get criticized, I can speak a little German, Cheyenne, Kickapoo, and Pottawatomie.

In the article it says, "some protestors were legal, others were not." Evidently they're already failing to enforce the law. Today would have been a good practice run.

Its not right for them to be here illegally period. If you want to be here then do it leagally. I dont go to work everyday and pay my taxes so that they can come here and get on living assistance and NOT pay taxes. Even if the economy were to suffer a little, think of the amount the crime rates would go down, dont tell me they arent involved in them....watch the news. If you want to be an American then learn our language and abide by our laws.

KOCO TV News at 5:00, showing protesters and supporters of the new bill.

I wondered that same question SK...it does sound a little contradicting.

I believe Vikings were the first on America, also I come from Native American Viking heritage so all of you should get off my land;)

also to clarify - it's not a personal attack. I don't doubt that I would like many of these illegal immigrants if I got to know them - heck I might even know some & just not know they're illegal! I don't hate them or wish bad upon them - it's a matter of following the law of the land. Make some sacrifices for this country - not just yourself.

The lady they quoted said she was there to protest for her rights. WHAT RIGHTS??? You are illegal and don not have rights under US law.

I was there and would like to clarify some things:

1. Almost all of those immigrants or those of Hispanic descent present appeared to be legal. In fact, many showed citizens their voter ID cards. I don't know if the media picked up on it.
2. The crowd did not appear to be over 1,000 to me. I'd estimate 500-600 approximately. I thought this a very good crowd for a weekday event where everyone needed to take personal time from work.
3. There were a lot of American flags. The event began with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Star Spangled Banner. I saw no flags from other countries.
4. I thought the crowd was very civil.

lol - thank you Steve - I wondered!

Bravo Steve!!!!!

Loida,
regresso a el pais de mexico, por favor!!!
For us other Oklahomans who are of Mexican heritage and our grandparents taught us to be Americans it says, Loida go back to mexico.!!!

Loida, you are a perfect example of why real Americans get upset with Mexicans. Speak (or type) the AMERICAN language! Rebecca is right, where does your loyalty lie; in America of Mexico?

So loida, are you Mexican or American? Where does your loyalty lie?

i am MEXICAN AMERICAN and proud of it. venimos aqui para trabajar no para destruir esta nacion. lets see who took over the AMERICAN NATION??? duh!! who were here first the native american!! there for everyone is an illegal besides the native american. QUE VIVA MEXICO Y TODOS LOS PAISES LATINOS!!!!!

Those 1000 pluse people "illegal" people who showed up to protest should have been rounded up, and taken to INS for processing and sent back home. But here is the problem with this new bill.....Federal police officer's will not enforce this, they will put it on the city and state police officers to enforce. INS is one of the most useless agencys in the federal government today. I hope this bill works and I hope those who are not leagal get legal. For those who hire and dont pay the taxes on illegal people, I hope you and your business fall to the ground.

Ronald: I loved that comment "Maybe they counted Harvey coming and going 2 or 3 times." Some of these post just crack me up. I hope I spelled this right, I am laughing so hard, tears are rolling down my cheeks.

Harvey, I really hope we are not related

In the words of that great American Dandy Don Meredith......."Turn out the lights.....the parties over.....they say all good things....must come to an end"...............
Adios....amigos

I walked pass this protest while walking around the Capital. I question the "over a thousand" figure.

Besides spin, the malware/spyware imbedded in newsok.com pages have gotten really bad in the last year or so. Every time I open the page, an ad to "scan my computer for errors" hijacks the page. Today it's a stupid ad that hijacks you to another page when you click the "close ad" link. What up Ed?

Louis lets not be smalminded and tell stupid racist jokes. This is not the forum for that. This is not about Mexicans this is about illegal immigration. As chance would have it 90% of the illegals here just happen to be Mexican. There are also Russian illegal immigrants. Just ask any Game Warden in the Northwestern part of the state. This law also applies to those illegal immigrants.

Hey Ronald-my mother is from Kingfisher. I won't say anything negative to you. You could be ONE of my relatives even if you are White, Black, Indian or Hispanic! I don't think my family is unique. Aren't there other families out there that have make up of multiple race and ethnicities? Yes, Ronald the White, Black and Indian in Kingfisher just about covers it and if you think of one of the families where that is true, you will know what family I belong to.

I'm loving the number change. In about 20 minutes it went from 500 to thousands. I think it's crap. You can't be that far off on estimates unless you are just retarded.

Why were there not about 100 INS agents there to round up these illegals?

The year is 1907, one hundred years ago......


Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin . . .
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American
and nothing but an American . . . There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American
at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag . . .
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language . . .
and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'

Hey Paul. Who did it before the mass migration of illegals? We did.

I can't believe how many people seriously think that we are dependant on illigal immigrants! All they do is eat up jobs & keep wages too low for entry level workers who are here legally!!

Vote for a sane immigration policy. Demagogues to the left of me, blowhards to the right! Blanket amnesty is insane, departation of more than 10 million is nuts. But if the economy goes south, as eventually all economic booms have, heaven help us. The 7 and a half percent rule on visas is silly. Not to mention the ridiculous fees being earned by immigration attorneys.

yup...Ed Kelley is shameless isn't he??? I say he'd be more comfortable up in Minneapolis working for the star and sickle (star tribune).

Who's going to work on the highways, bridges, do the dishes at restaraunts, mow lawns, plant shrubs, dig the ditches?

LOL!!

Maybe they counted Harvey coming and going 2-3 times