Crowd protests immigration law
Crowd protests immigration law
Published: November 1, 2007
More than a thousand people met on the south steps of the state Capitol today to protest HB 1804, one of the toughest immigration laws in the nation.
"This country is not ours, but since we are here, we are going to fight for our rights,” said Isobel Sauceda, an illegal immigrant who came with about 10 other immigrants from work. Some protesters were legal, others were not. HB 1804 goes into effect today, criminalizing American citizens for harboring, concealing or transporting illegal aliens. The bill also denies illegal immigrants driver's licenses and requires state agencies to verify citizenship before providing people with public services. It also requires local law enforcement to check the immigration status and coordinate with federal agents to deport all illegal immigrants who commit felonies or are arrested for DUIs. "I am not afraid of 1804, when I come across the border, I already knew that might be the case,” Sauceda said of the possibility of deportation, "but I came to work, that's the reason I am here. We don't come to hurt anyone.” Several Hispanic community leaders spoke to the crowd including the Rev. Miguel Rivera, president, and the Rev. Victor Orta, Oklahoma coordinator, for the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Religious leaders. They admonished state politicians for the passage of HB 1804 and asked the largely Hispanic audience to persevere. There were also a vocal few who were there to protest the protest. At one point a truck with three self-proclaimed Minutemen drove through the parking lot at the state Capitol shouting for the crowd to go home. A few others stood at the perimeter of the crowd. One man wore a baseball cap with Mexico written on it, but the words were X'd out by a black marker. "We've got people who come here legally that follow immigration laws to become American,” said Jack McBrayer, 43, who said he is retired, "but these people come here illegally and they don't respect our laws. The problem is they are coming here and trying to make this country theirs.”
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ANCHORBABY,ANCHORSENIORS
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE FAX EMAIL USCONGRESS
VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!
BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANICS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
ANCHORBABYS,ANCHORSENIORS
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TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE,FAX,EMAIL USCONGRESS
VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!NOW!
BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
For others who are sympathetic to illegals,40% of our prisons are occupied by illegal aliens, not immigrants....immigrants are those who want to be a part of this country, not take over the country. All tax payers combined are paying $600 billion a year for illegals. This is 10 times as much as what they "supposedly" bring in for the country by working here and taking away from citizens. Medical Insurance premiums would go down if it were not for illegals, government would have to spend less on social service programs,prisons would have to spend less for those incarcerated with less in prison. Crimes of rape,and murder would decrease, etc. This would mean that those like myself who cannot afford Medical Insurance "might" be able to actually get it at affordable prices. our 9,3 million homeless would shrink, our 23.8 million unemployed would find jobs etc. Construction jobs ARE jobs that Americans will do.
IT jobs ARE jobs Americans will do. Farming job ARE jobs that Americans will do. What Americans will not do is demean themselves to do the jobs for less then minimum wage, like the illegal will do. I could quote statistics from several different sources to include the Federal Government, that would make those who sympathize with the illegals, make you hair stand on end. American people need to wise up and know that Al Quada is using the Drug Cartels infuence to get arms to sleeper cells. We are in a fight for our lives. If you do not think so, then you are living in lala land. I have had my own experience with terrorist and would not wish it on my worst enemy. Think of each and every American as a "deer" and it is open season with no bag limit. Time to wake up and wipe to bullseye off your backside and you head out of it as well. 3000 new illegals everyday = 1,095,000 a year or more. Hope you have room in your house, because I sure don't in mine.
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!ALL NOW!
THE HEAD OF I.C.E.,I.N.S.,C.I.S. IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN LATINO ANCHORBABY
GOV.ARIZONA JANET NAPOLITAN IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
U.S.C.B.P. HEAD DAVID AGULAR IS A LATINO ILLEGAL ALIEN ACHORBABY
DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!
HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINOS DO NOT BELONG IN THE USA
BEWARE OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES
VOID 1983 ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY NOW!
LATINO,HISPANIC,AFRICAN ALIENS DONT BELONG IN THE USA
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home. 8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. Sounds a bit harsh, but those are the immigration laws of "MEXICO".
THE HEAD OF USCBP DAVID AGUILAR IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY
THE GOV OF ARIZONA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANCHORBABY JANET NAPOLITANO
DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT DONT TRUST US GOV
LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DONT BELNOG IN USA
They are so overcrowed, overburdened, overworked, and the U.S. is so far in debt to its self and can not continue to tax the hell out of the citizens to no end... We will fall from this and other things going on if checks and laws are not put in place and enforced.
Illegals have reeped enough freebies and have known they could have to pay up at anytime, and they did nothing to become legal... Now they cry foul... GO HOME... Become legal on your way back or stay out!!
I keep seeing these made up figures on the impact of illegal immigrants. Can anyone provide a source that doesn't lead back to F.A.I.R.?
If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But, knowing what I know as an American:-------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.--------------------------------------------------------
I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.-----------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.----------------------------------------------------------
I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it
*public education for my children
*welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it
*free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings
*consistently clean and safe water
*vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
*indoor plumbing
*affordable public transportation
*a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary
*good roads
*reliable electricity
*public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs
*police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status
*garbage pick-up and sanitation services
*free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches
*graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property
*abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller
*basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.----------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and we don't.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Previous post along with this post and all the ones before - sums it up... It's about LEAGAL .VS ILLEGAL
She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico
High integrity, ethical invitation
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.
Warning: Foul language
1. Matthew, the case was *United States vs. Darby*. In that case the USSC proclaimed the Tenth Amendment a mere "truism". It is *United States vs. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941)*. 2. *lex naturalis* (natural law) can be said to have originated with Aristotle: I well understand that. I reject that overall historical comparison due to the fact that I believe Thomas Aquinas, though a genius, over-played his hand while trying to make Aristotle's theses fit thirteenth century circumstances. 3. Hobbes was closest to right about it, no doubt, but even Blackstone never pretended it had any binding standing beyond what a political body wished to give it. For better or worse, we are stuck with legal positivism.
Sherian, Norman
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It is hard to believe ignorant people like this exist!
The Native American take over was so many years ago it doesn't even pertain to anything today.
Mexicans stole this land from the Indians and the Spanish. No one says a thing about THAT? Mexico's flag was here for 26 years big deal?
People use this dumb argument because they have no business being here.
It's the United States now---GET OVER IT!
WELL ANSWER THIS.
WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY THEY DON'T CLAIM GO?
HOW COME IRS DOENS'T MAKE THAT PUBLIC? PEOPLE WORK AND TAXES ARE TAKEN AWAY BUT THEY NEVER SEE THAT MONEY
The U. S. A. needs a President who will demand that our immigration laws be enforced. TOM TANCREDO will fight for citizens, our rights, our freedoms, our jobs, and he will make sure this country remains English speaking.
TOM TANCREDO for President 2008
Remember that the Pioneer Fund provided in excess of 1.2 million dollars to F.A.I.R., the organization that wrote the language for the legislation that we are discussing. Kinda of weird isn't it. This legislation was indirectly funded by a bunch of Nazis. I finally found the source for all of the weird figures that have been quoted on this website related to the economic impact of "illegals" PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FIGURES THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF "illegals" IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A CURRENT SPOKESMAN OF F.A.I.R., Jack Martin. So even though the article is purported to be factual it isn't based in fact yet its figures have been spouted in the national press and here on this forum. Don't you all feel a little bit manipulated? http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d
Here is some background on the "F.A.I.R." organization that provided the language, I.E. wrote, the legislation that we are discussing: Federation for American Immigration Reform www.fairus.org Founded in 1978 by Michigan activist John Tanton of U.S. Inc. (see below), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) blames immigrants for a host of social problems including crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl, traffic jams, school overcrowding, racial tensions and potential terrorism. Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted some $1.2 million from the racist Pioneer Fund*, until bad publicity apparently convinced its leaders to desist. Another Pioneer Fund grant recipient, Garrett Hardin, was for years a FAIR adviser and remains a "board member emeritus." Hardin has opposed sending food aid to Africa because, he argues, that only encourages overpopulation. "Tragically, flights of food that save lives increase fertility — which increases the mistreatment of the environment." He also told OMNI magazine, "Looking at history with an open mind, you'll see that infanticide has been used as an effective population control." FAIR has run ads that attacked then-Sen. Spencer Abraham (R.-Mich.), an Arab American, for supporting more visas for those with high-technology skills. The ads said Abraham's proposal would make it easier for Middle Eastern terrorists to strike, sparking widespread condemnation of what was seen as a race-based attack. On FAIR's board of advisors is Pat Choate, who helped white nationalist Patrick Buchanan take over the Reform Party prior to Buchanan's run for president in 2000. Direct link to this page: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#14
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The marches in OKC and Tulsa last year is what did it for me. The arrogance! Go home and march on your own government. You get no sympathy from me. You are impressing less than 15% of the people here. 85% of the people in Oklahoma demanded this bill. We want our State back; it does not belong to you. All HB1804 does is give state and local law enforcement the authority to enforce laws already in place at the federal level. I applaud Randy Terrill and Judge Payne. I support Tom Tancredo for President because he will see the federal law is enforced.
The winners get to choose who and who is not a citizen, I'm not talking just about the US, the names, boarders and ethnic mix of europ and asia have changed so often over time you would never be able to go back to a "do over" same problem in the middle east. Every country's current govenment has the right to decide who can and who cannot come in. Try walking from Syria to Isreal some day.
"This country is not ours, but since we are here, we are going to fight for our rights,” said Isobel Sauceda, an illegal immigrant".
It is foreigners like Isobel Sauceda that make me sick!
I hope ICE arrests her and the others and deports them.
1. Almost all of those immigrants or those of Hispanic descent present appeared to be legal. In fact, many showed citizens their voter ID cards. I don't know if the media picked up on it.
2. The crowd did not appear to be over 1,000 to me. I'd estimate 500-600 approximately. I thought this a very good crowd for a weekday event where everyone needed to take personal time from work.
3. There were a lot of American flags. The event began with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Star Spangled Banner. I saw no flags from other countries.
4. I thought the crowd was very civil.
regresso a el pais de mexico, por favor!!!
For us other Oklahomans who are of Mexican heritage and our grandparents taught us to be Americans it says, Loida go back to mexico.!!!
Adios....amigos
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be
treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to
discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin . . .
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American
and nothing but an American . . . There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American
at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag . . .
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language . . .
and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'