Immigration battle gains strength
Immigration battle gains strength
By Devona Walker
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Published: November 2, 2007
Some carried bilingual signs or U.S. flags. Others carried small children. More than a thousand, primarily Hispanic, protesters congregated Thursday outside the state Capitol in objection to House Bill 1804.
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More than 1,000 people came to the state Capitol to express their opposition to the new immigration law that went into effect Thursday. By JIM BECKEL, THE OKLAHOMAN
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For the children
Carmen Sanchez, a legal resident, has lived in Oklahoma for 27 years. She thinks if most Americans knew about the poverty and political corruption in Mexico, they would better understand why so many risk coming here. In Mexico, she and her family lived in extreme poverty, but in Oklahoma they found work and prosperity.
"When I think of this law, my heart cries for the children. So many children are being separated from their parents because of this,” Sanchez said. "We just come to make a better life for our families.”
For other citizens of the United States, such as Carol Soto, immigration fears have hit even closer to home.
Two weeks ago, she said, her aunt was deported.
"They went to her house. They told her they would wait until she picked up her kids,” Soto said. "When she came back, they took her away.”
The aunt left behind a husband and four children. The husband, also illegal, recently drove the two youngest children back to Mexico. He will try to sneak back across the border so he can work and pay for his family's return, Soto said.
Meanwhile, the two older children remain here with extended family members.
"It's been very hard on the children. They are so scared,” Soto said.
Here to work
Others who were at the protest are not here legally but came here to work.
"This country is not ours. But since we are here, we are gong to fight for our rights,” said Isobel, an illegal immigrant who came to this country about five years ago. She was at the protest with 10 other immigrants from work.
"When I came across the border, I already knew this might be the case,” Isobel said of the possibility of deportation. "But I came to work, that's the reason I came here. We don't come to hurt anyone. And I will keep working.”
Walk it alone
Among the crowd of so many were about a dozen black people. Some wore NAACP T-shirts. At least one even carried signs.
Also present were a handful of black community leaders, including state Rep. Mike Shelton and Roosevelt Milton, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's Oklahoma City chapter.
"This is how change happens. They are not the first group to come to the south side steps of the Capitol to change things,” Shelton said. "I'm a firm believer of Dr. Martin Luther King, and it's like he said, ‘Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.'
"And it's important that people don't have to walk alone. The black people didn't walk alone in their struggle,” he added.
Milton, too, pointed to the common struggles of Hispanics and blacks. But he also noted that the black community itself is still divided on the subject.
A few days ago, he attended a news conference standing beside Hispanic leaders, protesting HB 1804.
It sparked some controversy in the community, he said.
Some said he should focus on the many Haitian immigrants whose plight has largely been overlooked while others praised him and joined the NAACP, Milton said.
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language.. ENGLISH - ENGLISH - ENGLISH..
LEGAL - LEGAL - LEGAL -- WELCOME - WELCOME - WELCOME.
Some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant, and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree," he said. "It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border.
President Bush believes that, there is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant, and a program of mass deportation."
“The U.S does not plan to militarize the southern border. Mexico is a neighbor and friend, Mr. Bush said. The U.S. will continue to work cooperatively to improve security on both sides of the border, confront common problems like drug trafficking and crime, and reduce illegal immigration.
President Bush believes illegal immigrants who want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, pay their taxes, learn English, and work in a job for a number of years. The President also believes that there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years, and has a home, a family, and an otherwise clean record. Those who meet the conditions should be able to apply for citizenship but approval will not be automatic, and they will have to wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law. )
Gosh, to me that sounds like a great idea. But of course! Some of you have made this about race. Mexico isn't the only country where illegals come from. There are many others.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If I were unlucky enough to have been born in a poor country that's turned its back on me and my family (through no fault of my own or my parents), and I had an opportunity to cross the border to the USA to prevent myself or my family from starving, yes, I might do it.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But, knowing what I know as an American:
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**** I wouldn't live in the new country as if it were mine.
*** I would behave as if I were a guest in someone's home, and the worst kind--an uninvited one. In other words, I would make sure my behavior was impeccable.
*** I wouldn't take liberties that are not mine to take.
*** I would be extremely careful to take care of the property where I live.
*** I wouldn't make demands of the people or the government that are not mine to make.
*** I would make sure that I toed the line in terms of every ordinance and law.
*** I would have a contingency plan for myself and my family if any of us were to get deported, and if that occurred, I would acknowledge that such an occurrrence is our responsibility and no one else's.
*** I would realize and acknowledge that in this new country where I'm working and living, I'm taking advantage of all the things I didn't have in my own country:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*access to free medical care if I need it and can't pay for it,* public education for my children,,*
*welfare for my American-born children, if I should foolishly or accidentally have any and they should need it,, * free public representation in court if I stupidly commit a crime, language translators in court, and every other due-process protection during criminal and civil proceedings, ** consistently clean and safe water, ** vaccinations and control of diseases (including ones I might have brought with me)
**indoor plumbing,
**affordable public transportation
**a sympathetic local government that has acknowledged it will shield me with sanctuary if necessary,
** good roads,
** reliable electricity,
** public parks for our weekend parties and cook-outs,
** police protection where no one is allowed to ask my immigration status,
** garbage pick-up and sanitation services,
** free ESL classes courtesy of local school districts or churches,
** graffiti abatement if my children are so stupid as to deface public property,
** abandoned grocery cart retrieval if I can't afford a car or a baby stroller,
** basic traffic and pedestrian training programs since I don't know all the rules about walking in busy city traffic, or driving without a license, registration or insurance,
I would not be so stupid as to alienate myself any further from my American hosts by calling them names, disrespecting their customs, or calling them racists, bigots and hatemongers. If I want to succumb to the temptation to do so, I will understand that I am not the kind of permanent resident or citizen they want in their country. I will understand their anger and resentment of me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the things listed above that I'm now enjoying took a lot of money, time and effort and ongoing civic and personal responsibility to build and maintain.-----------------------------------------------------------------In other words, under the circumstances, they have the upper hand, and WE don't. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I am not against immigration, legal immigration, but I do believe we need to change the 14th amendment to stop the "anchor baby" syndrome. If someone comes here illegally and that is of any race/nationality, through our ports as stowaways or across any of our borders illegally, if they have children here once illegally on our soil, our constitution should NOT automatically give those children citizenship. If I could change it, children who are born in this country of illegal immigrant parents would NEVER get citizenship status. There ought to be a hue and cry for such an amendment instead of the flag amendment or marriage amendment.
If we don't close our borders,...ALL OUR BORDERS and patrol/police our ports much better we WILL be wipin' our weepin' eyes again over another attack like 911. No it won't be from illegal immigrants coming from Canada or Mexico or Central and South America or China it will be from non-Western hemisphere terroists who will easily bribe their way through lawless countries on our borders into our southern/southwestern states and this time the attack could very well be nuclear as in "dirty bombs".
My heart goes out to those people who have waited for years to get into this country. They have dotted every "i" and crossed every "t" and yet we let illegals get benefits and jobs and keep these worthwhile, law-abiding, future Americans sit and twirl in their home country.
For those in this forum who ask why there are not more of us who are FOR the immigration law out protesting for the bill, I assure them, that for this one opinion email in an Oklahoman Newspaper forum, I have sent a dozen emails to others with political clout expressing my gratitude that our democratic system is working, at least on this one particular issue in the State of Oklahoma. The bill is law because lawmakers were the SERVANTS or EMPLOYEES of the MAJORITY of Oklahoma Citizen who hired them with their votes. They are not our RULERS/LEADERS. They have done as they are supposed to do and SERVED us by passing this law that the MAJORITY of people wanted,...to NOT encourage ILLEGAL aliens in to our Country. I know you who are here illegally do NOT understand this, but that is DEMOCRACY. It is not a Fascist State controlled by a minority elite on the Right. It is NOT a Socialistic Union, controlled by a minority on the Left. It is a law because a MAJORITY of Oklahomans voted for those who would indeed do their bidding.
I bet anything a MAJORITY of these same people would vote to get most of the LEGALLY waiting immigrants from all countries of the world into our country if we could get it to be a national vote. The only thing that might keep me from voting for immigrants who have done everything legally to get in to this country and now sit and wait, sometimes for years, is if they were convicted of ILLEGAL acts in their country. Ah, there's that word again ILLEGAL.
And like someone has pointed out, I too work 6 days a week and am barely able to afford car insurance on what I make.
Just thought I would share.. what the real cost and projectec cost are... to Oklahoma
for emergency medical care, education and incarceration resulting if an amnesty is adopted for illegal residents.
Current $207,000,000 billion... does it look like if they were gone it really wouldn't hurt us it would save us a lot.
Most of our money is going to pay for freebies for all the illegals... while our own can't find jobs, afford health care and can't get it because the system that was meant for citizens of Oklahma are going to illegals... Keith.. I hope you work, because I guess that 30 to 35% of your check goes to the government for taxes... and for illegals to get freebies... if they want to stay here they can do it right... no one wants them to be harmed... or ignroed.. people want them to be hard working tax, and law abiding citizens... OH< WAIT OUR ECONOMY WOULD FAIL IF THEY DID THAT WOULDN't it KEITH? If the became tax payers.. oh who cut who's throat?
Like I said... why aren't they fighting their own country for the rights the have there? Oh, wait they might get killed there?
Citizenship includes Civic Virtues and Duties that prescribe how we out to behave as part of a community. The TRUE citize KNOWS THE LAWS and OBEYS them. Citizens do more then their "fair" share to make society work, in other words a true citizen GIVES more then they TAKE.
Most illegals, do not give more then they take, nor abide by the laws... but want this right? You don't pay taxes, I watch my tax dollars pay for your welfare... and that makes me very upset, while you pay no taxes... to give to anyone.
The economy will change, it means real citizens will be able to get the jobs the illegals have taken... It will take a turn for even better, because people will get paid normal wages and will be able to spend more... visa versa.. if you stay or go .. we are America we will survive... how come your not chanting the same for your own Country, you think so little of your country to come take over another??? I am a little lost there. If your culture is so great, why not go back home? Please tell me that? Why is Mexico so far behind??? Why not take this fight to your own Government and Make your Country Just like this one that REAL CITIZENS FOUGHT and DIED FOR... ??
However, you never did reconcile how you can be a baptist with a jewish savior. I would think your racism would have prevented you from getting saved. Your "fruit of the spirit" sure shows your "savior" comes from much further south of the boarder...and I ain't talking Mexico.... Start acting like an "older woman" in being sober, chaste..etc. Your pastor would be rebuking you right about now.
She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"?????????????????????????
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.
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High integrity, ethical invitation
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.
GET OUT ILLEGALS! TAKE YOUR CHILDREN, WIVES AND UNCLES, AUNTS, NIECES AND NEPHEWS AND GO HOME AND FIGHT FOR A BETTER MEXICO!
ISOBEL has only the rights of a Mexican citizen, not the rights of an American citizen, and she does not have the right to demand that we in the US provide her and her family a better life. In all fairness, if I had to put up with the Mexican government, I would be the next Pancho Villa......where are their hero's now? I suggest the Mexicans all pickup something to read on Simon Bolivar, the liberator of South America, because they do have a problem, AND IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM - WE HAVE OUR OWN.
and
"Citizens of the United States should be rightfully concerned with the alarming rate at which infected immigrants, who have not gone through any medical screening processes, are coming into this country. According to a Pew Hispanic Report, illegal immigrants make up for almost 30 percent of the foreign-population inside the United States."
Friday, November 2, 2007, 03:44 PM
From the Austin Police Department:
Rio Grande Valley Sector Border Patrol agents have arrested an individual with an outstanding homicide arrest warrant in connection with a 1994 Austin murder.
The arrest occurred Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2007, when agents assigned to the McAllen Border Patrol station interviewed several subjects at the La Joya Police Department for possible immigration violations. Agents questioned a subject who identified himself as a Mexican citizen and determined that he was illegally present in the United States. The subject was taken into Border Patrol custody and transferred to the McAllen Border Patrol station for further processing.
During processing, the subject’s fingerprints were submitted to the Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System. Record checks identified the subject as Jose Luis Vences-Maldonado, a 47-year-old Mexican citizen with an outstanding arrest warrant for homicide out of Travis County. The subject was arrested and is set to be extradited to the Travis County Sheriff Department.
On Nov. 20, 1994, police responded to a residence at 1212 Westheimer on a “shots fired” call where they found the body of Fabian Ponce. It appeared that Ponce suffered and died from gun shot wounds on the right side of the head.
On Nov. 21, 1994, the Austin Police Department issued a warrant for Jose Luis Vences-Maldonado for intentional murder. <<<<think ahead to a day when this will be the rule rather than the exception ,Viva la Raza Blanco !!!
By Stephen Dinan and Jerry Seper
The Washington Times
WASHINGTON -- Mexico's ambassador to the United States yesterday said previous Mexican officials made a "dumb mistake" by issuing comic books to aid illegal aliens crossing the border, and said his government cannot criticize U.S. treatment of illegal aliens as long as Mexico has harsh laws on its books.
"It's very hard for Mexico to preach to the north what it does not do to the south," Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said in a meeting with editors and reporters at The Washington Times, referring to Mexico's felony penalties for, and sometimes cruel treatment of, those caught crossing its southern border.
"Unless we correct the fundamental challenge of the violation of human rights of Latin American or Central American migrants crossing the border into Mexico, it's very hard for me to come up and wag a finger and say you guys should protect the rights of my citizens in this country," he said, adding that changes to the Mexican law are now pending.
Instead of standing with your friends and Neighbors an family in Mexico and trying to end the madness of the Mexican government, you left them to drown in the chaos you ran away from. What kind of ME ME ME people are you anyway?
Don't try to accuse me of not understanding, either. When the Telecom Industry tanked in 2000-2001, I spent 3 years unemployed. Because I had been a middle class American, paying high taxes, my family was refused assistance by the very government that pays for the health care, food, and housing for the poor and the illegals. I tried falling back on my skills as a framing carpenter, but all the construction crews were staffed, managed, and run by Mexicans for the express purpose of hiring and promoting Mexicans and illegal immigrants. There was no where to turn for me because of the flood of Mexicans in Texas. When your family has been in America since it's inception, and your family is threatened with homelessness and starvation due to the swarm of the invading hordes from the South, you tend to get a little perturbed. I promise you I am not the only one with a story like this in our country.
Mexicans are taking jobs by the millions in concrete, construction, carpentry, factory and machinery, ranching, farming, road work, parks service and dozens of other professions that used to employ our native citizens.
And why are they getting those jobs? So that business owners can make higher profits than at any point in history. So that they do not have to support health care, unemployment insurance, pay social security taxes, provide retirement benefits or do any of the other things that have previously characterized this nation as a beacon of hope for all mankind. WELL IT IS TIME FOR CORPORATE CITIZENS TO BECOME REAL AMERICANS and to work WTIH the citizens to make a better life together, not just more PROFITS FOR THEIR OWN FAT POCKETS.
Go home an fight for your own country. We are fighting to get ours back, and YOU Senor and Senora Mexican Illegal Immigrant are an unfortunate casualty in the collateral damage.
Take your children with you. Now that they have seen the reality of the way people CAN live, THEY WILL HELP TO PAVE THE WAY for liberating your people from the corruption, poverty, crime, pollution, and overpopulation that is Mexico.
To add to what I wrote... if we paid more for the jobs the illegals are doing, that would fix some of the problem. But the reality is, most whites have moved on from lawn mowing and cabbage picking and wouldn't do it even at $15 an hour.
First off, I think the current immigration quota systems are at the root of the problem. It's simple market based economics to me. If there were not enough jobs here to support these illegals, they would not be here. With that said, I think we need to increase the quotas and shorten the waiting period. But from a practical standpoint, it's logistically impossible to deport all the illegals currently living in Oklahoma, let alone the entire country. HB1804 tries to remedy this problem by making Oklahoma inhospitable to illegals hoping they will leave on their own. The reality is this will most likely not happen, as it becomes clear to the illegals that there is no practical way to arrest or detain them all and illegal ways to get around some of paperwork problems. Remember, these people already live using fake documents. So, with all this said, I think the only rational thing to do is simultaneously increase visa quotas and shorten waiting times while granting some sort of earned amnesty to a majority of those already here. At least that way we'll know who they are and the system of taxation we have will work as it's supposed to. It may not be "fair" to those who are waiting in line, or those that did it legally, but it is practical. I don't see any other way out of this mess. But if we don't fix immigration at the same time, and increase quotas and shorten wait times to meet our market demand for workers, we'll be at this same place 10 years from now.
The police do not have the authority to arrest someone simply because they say they are illegal. That's why she wasn't arrested.
As far as workers goes........
I think there are plenty of rehabilitated criminals and former drug addicts that would gladly take all these jobs that the hispanic community is complaining about.
Let we forget that this is NOT AN ANTI-HISPANIC law. This is an ANTI-ILLEGAL law. I wouldnt care if you were hispanic, Irish, Italian, African, or Canadian. If you arent here legally, BEWARE...
My wife is a school teacher in the Okla Metro system and over half her class cannot speak adequate english and are disruptive to the other students.
I know catholics who are deciding to leave the church because the catholic preist hood has decided to support law breakers.
Do I dispute that our southern neighbors are good hard working and family oriented. No.
What I dont understand is the mentality that it is better to flee their country rather than make it better.
I read a quote in the paper just yesterday where an Illegal said "Its not our country but we must defend our rights" Other than basic human rights what else is there not granted by the state.
You mock our country and our culture, you show disdain for our laws, you fly our flag in disrespect and yours properly, than you condem us as being "rascist" because we as americans have the terminity to say "enough is enough"
We have a president who blithfully says you are onlyd doing the jobs americans wont do and trys to convice us that no americans are now willing to mow the lawns, pick the fruit and do the construction.
Show me through word and deed that you want to be AMERICAN and proud of it.
Dont be construed as puppets of the political elite and the business and religious special intrest.
Do respect our ways and dont condem us for transgressions of our fore fathers because frankly, your forefathers truly wernt much better if that....
Dont tell me that my Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt was bad and then in the same breath ty to convince me that your Pancho Villa was so good.
To have a respect for your roots and your old countyr is ok, but show that same respect for our country if you truly want it to be your new country.
Reject out of hand the concepts put forth by "La Raza and Atzalan. Do not squall in self pity that the great south west was stolen from you in the war between our countries................Admit there is blame to go around for all and remember that you, as I are of European descent and culture with a strong kinship of shared culture based on mutual respect and then....only then...would we middle Americans be willing to listen to your plantive cry for help.
Have no doubt that Americans are a generous to a fault people.....we always have been.....but to spit in our face.....that is an insult, as it would be to you. Ask for our help dont demand it and perhaps the outcome would be more equitable.
Your in a bad situation and trying to tell me your getting screwed by the system just doesnt touch my heart at this point.
I hope you read this and take the suggestions to heart.
Despite the constant spin and propaganda from the Left about ILLEGAL immigration, the issue is that of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION not legal immigration.
What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?
Go through the proper paper work and come legally. It may be hard, but some of the best things in life aren't always easy! Suck it up and reap what you sow. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said the same thing. If you aren't willing to make the sacrifices and deal with the outcome that you will recieve from what you do, then don't do it. If you aren't willing to be deported back, then don't come.
"you are not helping your position....."
If they really value freedom, illegals will go back to their own countries and fight for their freedom.
The government is paid for with tax money. The people pay taxes.
No benefits, no rights, nothing if you are illegal.
No one made criminals of these people! These people committed a crime and therefore they have done this to themselves.
If I break the law - I will pay the penalty - why should it be different for an illegal? We are a people who respect the law, and anyone wanting to live here should as well.
They don't - they sneak in - their first act in our country is breaking the law.
No one is separating these families except themselves.
They broke the law - no one did this for them. Their own actions have caused their heart aches.
Have to go work to support the illegals, tata.
Also, the notion that employers are paying fica, futa, suta and witholding taxes and remitting them is laughingstockable as they pay them CASH.
Go home and revolt your own country or does Mexico suck that bad that you dont want it?
If you want to come here legally fight our WAR, fight for your freedom in this country like the thousands and hundreds of men and women over in Iraq... You want your rights, but you can't PICK which rights to have. How can you come here and feel good you are a citizen.. if you want it.. Fight in Iraq.. fight for what AMERICA stands for not for what you want. No one that is a citizen here, has made it because it was easy. Every citizen has earned their right and worked hard, just to be denied from illegals. It doesn't make sense? EARN IT... You have created your problem you knew what you would be getting into.. ???? uhh.. then why fight it.. you broke the law.. and if we gave you automatic citizen ship.. who is to say you will be law abiding since they think they are ABOVE the law now.. why would they be if they are citizens...
Not good I'm sure!!