Officers see few changes from law
Officers see few changes from law

Harvey, not even going to get into it with you, there's no point. Your mind won't be changed and neither will mine. My grandparents came here legally, along with 2 uncles and my mom - all legal. Grandpa fought in WWII and Korea. They all did it legally. So, it's insulting that people come in and just demand stuff. So what I'm saying is that there's another story not being told. There are hispanics that don't like illegals because it gives a bad name to all of us, especially those that have done it the right way. Yes, I learned English y Espanol tambien. No, I don't fly Mexican flags and never will. The country that has given me everything is the U.S. Do it legal, it's a much better life!

Robin, there you go again. You are going to look at a construction site and know by looking who is legal and who isn't. It is like slopping hogs with some of you all. The hogs smell the slop and they are so hard headed they run over each other to get the slop. There is no deterring them even if you beat them with a 2x4. Some of you all get ideas in you head and there is no changing it. You hear it right here in this article. It will be business as usual. Maybe some of you all can start being like hall monitors checking for hall passes in school. Any of you all ask me for proof of residency or citizenship, you will get plenty of proof of no accent when I cuss you out and will be lucky I don't check your proof of having some kind of heart in your chest cavity!

Robert, that is hearsay. He said she said. If you hear it from the horses mouth to your ear, it is not hearsay and since there is no way to administer an oath how do we know. I could say, hey I am Hispanic and this group of women in Mexico sent me this letter. They want to thank America for the opportunities to eat on a daily basis that their husbands and boyfriends meager earnings provide. They don't care if they make $3.00 an hour so long as they get the bulk of the money at home to buy food. Come on. Send them the Newsok.com and let them submit their own comments.

I have friends in Mexico and they sent me this letter. A story definitely not being told. Oh yeah, did I mention I'm hispanic as well. -
Dear friends in the United States....
We are Mexican women from villages in the southern Mexico state of Guerrero.

Our brothers and husbands have left us for work in the US.

We strongly support closing the US-Mexico border to illegal entry.

We did not want our men to leave and we want them to return to us.

As we struggle as women, against the difficulty of our situation,
we focus all effort on building a business to sustain ourselves and our children.

But we need the help of our husbands and our brothers
to re-unite our families and to help us develop economic opportunity
in the traditional fashion jewelry production industry that is the heritage of our parents.

Please close the US Border to illegal migration and send our men home to us. Thank you.

Best wishes from Mexico to all persons of good will.

We should continue to be friends and respect each other.

Atentamente,

Eusebia Flores
Artcamp Artesanas Campesinas
Tecalpulco, Municipio de Taxco de Alarcon Guerrero, Mexico

Best wishes, friends, from Mexico!

Ed Brown, a black moderate-liberal blogger, writes: "The Senate judiciary committee released a bill that would reward illegal immigration. My father came to this country, legally, to gain employment and a chance at a better life. But he went through the process. Meanwhile, when one friend was looking for work, he decided to try day laboring. He thought it would be a good way to find out who is hiring and then try to get something more long term. He went to the 'unofficial' day labor pick up spots and tried to get a job. Guess what? He wasn't successful. Another friend works with steel. He's tried to get Black men jobs but it doesn't work out. The reason? Other contractors are hiring illegal immigrants at low wages. When they bid on low cost contracts, guess who wins? So his company has to 'fight fire with fire'. This really stinks."

Ripclawe, a Caribbean immigrant & conservative Republican who acquired U.S. citizenship, writes: "Here is the best part, a bunch of illegals protesting without fear which shows how lax American enforcement has become got the attention of the Amnesty lovers.....All the people like me who went thru the process of getting citizenship the right way, how stupid were we?"

Amy dear, I just noticed your most recent rant and I have to say that it’s no wonder I missed it earlier since you don't pose any argument at all. First you claim that there are plenty of jobs and that the illegal aliens are only taking jobs no one else wants. I proved that wrong by describing the situation with my son. Your claim that I didn't notify ICE until now has no merit because 1.) I didn't give a time line for when this occurred and 2.) It doesn't matter when it happened or when I called them. Likewise, you’re still screeching the same old msm comparison of the war to this and every other situation that comes up when it has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Do you blame Bush and this war for the pimples on your behind as well? I know it’s difficult, but do try to stick with one topic at a time. The topic here is that the vast majority of Oklahoma citizens are tired of paying for these illegal invaders to be here. The time has come for them go back where they came from so that this $9.7 million and many others like it can be given back to the citizens of Oklahoma. It doesn’t matter what you, or the illegal invaders, or the liberal press or the greedy corporations and corrupt churches in this state want. Politicians on both sides of the fence have figured out that this law needed to be passed and even our lame brained Governor has figured it out. That’s why they passed it and that’s why he signed it. So why can’t you?

Why should we care if these people are here doing all these dirty jobs like working in meat packing plants? Well, here's one reason. Alabama health officials have identified 212 workers out of 765 who have tested positive for tuberculosis at a single poultry plant owned by one of the largest processors in the U.S. Nearly all were foreign born, many are here illegally. These large companies want to hire the cheapest labor they can get and they aren't particular about who that is. So it's not that American citizens won't do the work, it's that companies like Wayne Farms know they can get by with paying illegals less than minimum wage because they can't report them. But, with the rise of illegal aliens there has been a huge spike in diseases that were once nearly eliminated in the U.S. such as TB.

No no no TA thats not how you do it. You present an argument and I will try to refute it. Or I will present one and you attempt to deny it by making your argument. This stuff about my touting MSN rhetoric is not going anywhere. Your personal narrative seems really far-fetched and would not hold up in a court of law. Your son graduated from West Point, got a manufacturing job ,was burned by illegal immigrants and 100 of their cohorts and you just now notified ICE about this with information that you were able to obtain because you did contracting work with the company. Now I have presented you with the point that the unemployment rate has not skyrocketed here in Oklahoma because of illegal immigration. This means that there seems to be plenty of jobs. If they depart then we will have more positions than people necessary to fill these jobs. I believe that for the most part these people are hard working individuals.I have made this same point previously I will make it again. I compared the cost of George Bush's war (450 billion) to the cost of Soonercare (9.7 million). Now you offer a rebuttal such as its not about money its about the principle. I and the people reading these posts are really expecting something great from you TA. Dont let us down.

Official warns parents about dangers posed by cartels
By Adriana M. Chávez / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 11/03/2007 09:07:49 PM MDT


Spurred by two recent drug-smuggling incidents involving teens, El Paso County Attorney José R. Rodríguez urged parents to keep a close watch on their children during an annual parent conference today in Horizon City.
"Drug-trafficking cartels are recruiting in our schools," he said before addressing a group of parents attending the Clint Independent School District's 10th annual Regional Parental Engagement Conference. "This is a continuing problem, and we want to inform parents and kids about these dangers."

Early Friday, a 17-year-old Mexican boy was detained by U.S. Border Patrol agents after agents noticed several men loading dark-colored duffel bags into a van parked about three miles west of the Paso del Norte port of entry. Agents found 526 pounds of marijuana in the van with an estimated street value of about $421,000. The case has been turned over to the El Paso Police Department.

On Aug. 9, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agents arrested Horizon High School graduate Rene Humberto Perez, who is accused of hiring fellow students to drive marijuana-filled vehicles destined for Oklahoma City. Perez was allegedly responsible for smuggling 14 tons of marijuana between Juárez and Oklahoma City last school year.

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,

"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?" ??????????????????????

That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience-----------------------------------------------------------------
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.------------------------
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches. ------------------------------
-We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters! ---------------------------------Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens! ---------------Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich

Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt-----------------------------------------
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.---------------------------------------------
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases-----------------------------------
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. ------------------------------------------------High integrity, ethical invitation

We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation. -----------------------------It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.!!!!!!

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!--------------------------------------- In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominate language again.---------------
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
--------------------------------------------------------Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
------------------------------------------------------
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.------------------------------------
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law and English. -------------------------In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience. -----------------------------------------------------------------------If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" -------
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local state and city coffers. -----------------------
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches. --------------------------

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters! ---------------------------------Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens! --------------------------------------------------------------Drain on America's economy; taxpayers harmed, employers get rich -----------------------------------------Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.
----------------------------------------------------
--At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country—brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.------------------------------------
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases----------------------------------
Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, “colonias” or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new “Third World” inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. ---------------------------------------
High integrity, ethical invitation

We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.------------------------

It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't they bring AIDs into america, and cause widespread family breakups?

Amy, you're right about one thing, I do have issues other than the illegal invaders (not to be confused with immigrants). I have an issue with people who claim they know what they're talking about but can only spout what they've read off the liberal msm sites. I know they were illegal because I did contract work for the same company at that time and had access to their records. And yes, I have just recently notified ICE with a complete list of the names and stolen social security numbers of more than 100 employees at that company. And please don't ask how I know they were stolen, I just know.

Another thing I find strange is that we have all of these illegals coming into our country, bringing all kinds of diseases, name it and you can very well bet, they have got it. But, when an illegal is deported back to Mexico, they have to be checked for every kind of diease before Mexico will let them back in. Oh, by the way, I drove around the Mexican neighborhood in my town today, and thank goodness, I did see some moving out. I only hope it was out of Oklahoma. GOOD, GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!

Yeah Jodie Mexicans are known for their armadillo cuisine and C we all know that we can contract Hepatitis from the people that build our homes. Please no more backwood thinking. TA I think that you have issues other than the illegal immigrant type. Yes I have heard the story about your son. How do you know that they were illegal immigrants? Have you notified ICE yet? As for your porous and feeble attempts at denigrating my intellect just are not working. See this is how it goes....you post an argument in favor of this law and then try to refute the arguments of the opponents of this law.

There is one thing the illegals have done for Oklahoma. The illegals have cut down on the Armadilli population. I use to see road-kill all of the time. One never sees any Armadillis anymore. I was told that is one of the main dishes for Mexicans. I understand that they bake them.

TA thanks... I also don't believe they take jobs others don't want... My brother is an excellent roofer, can't find work until this law went into effect... and now he has it... they take all the building jobs... but take a real close look and inspect your houses carefully they really are not built well... no matter if you live in a poor or rich neighborhood... and with the illegals coming and going.. you might want to get checked for hepetitis A, and T.B especially if they are building your home..

Robert, we don't need to ask Los Angeles about the gangs. They're here in full force.

Amy, Amy, Amy, don't you think? I guess you missed the many posts I've left here sharing how my son came home from West Point, immediately went to work for a manufacturing company here and was severely and intentionally burned by illegals who wanted "one of their own" on the job instead. Oh, don't worry, my son survived with only a few scars and was able to get another "good" job pretty quickly... 3 hours drive from here. You see, this LIE that these illegal invaders are only taking jobs citizens don't want or won't do is just that.. a lie. In this state that has pretty much eliminated most unions; they have their own mafia styled union that's filled a LOT of good paying jobs with illegals, just the way my son was removed from that position. Oh, and on that other topic you keep trying to force into the issue. As I said before, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with this situation. It only shows your limited ability to come up with a legitimate argument.

This link sheds light on to what illegal immigrants really cost Oklahoma, and a projection. I lot more then what they are giving us. I am not against them being here, just become legal, and pay taxes like the rest of us... so I know my tax dollars are going to people that actually deserve it... but no they want their cake, and they want to eat it to... they want the perks of "citinship" without the responsibilities... here is the link pretty good scary... too.. just the cost on our own environment. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd66d

T.A., just the other day in Colorado, they arrested 6 realtors and a lender for fraud regarding foreclosures. Realtors were using fraudulant documents, of course, to obtain loans for housing. Then, the houses were being refinanced with money being taken out. They got zero down loans, then effectively stole the refinance money. They seized over 270 homes just by these six realtors. So, not only were they collecting public assistance, they stole refinance money as well. That's why the cities and counties are finding out they're not going to get all those residential tax dollars they thought they were, leaving the municipals out of budget. It's kind of funny, but I guess it takes all this mess to finally do something constructive. On the issue of gangs, ask Los Angeles how that's turning out? The law will take time, but when those public assistance funds start running out, you'll see the difference. Not to mention the employment part of the equation. Oh yeah, forclosures are forecasted to rise next year...hmmm

For those of you that have seen evidence of GANGS in OKC...consider that MOST of those gang members are also illegals. Get rid of the illegals and you severly curb the gangs and drug traffic.

Dont you think that if illegal immigrants were taking jobs that Americans wanted that the unemployment rate in Oklahoma would soar due to all of those out of work? As it appears plenty of jobs and the unemployment rate here in Oklahoma is below the national average. If we send them back seems that there will be a tremendous overabundance of jobs and not enough people to do them. And oh yeah 450 billion dollars is nothing compared to 9.7 million isnt it TA? How many posts have you submitted on that subject huh? How about zero. You seem to be crying about the mouse that is in your house while you refuse to see the big old elephant that is in there too.