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Legislator plans new reforms
Legislator plans new reforms

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Published: November 8, 2007

The author of the state's immigration bill said Wednesday he will file legislation seeking to make English the official language in Oklahoma and to give law officers the right to seize assets, such as a vehicle or a home, when used to transport or house illegal immigrants.

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Rep. Randy Terrill said the measure, which he dubbed "son of 1804 bill” in reference to his House Bill 1804 that won overwhelming approval in both chambers of the Legislature this year, also would require school districts to provide a more accurate accounting of how many children who are here illegally attend their schools.

Estimates are children who are here illegally cost the state's schools about $160 million a year, he said. He thinks the cost is much higher.

Charging ahead
Terrill, R-Moore, said he wants to crack down on so-called anchor babies, children whose mothers come to the United States to give birth. The U.S. Constitution states children born in this country are U.S. citizens.

About 30 states have passed legislation making English the official language, and the timing is right in Oklahoma, he said.

"That is some unfinished business that we need to take care of here with regard to an overall real meaningful immigration reform package,” Terrill said as he announced his ideas to members of the Oklahoma Conservative Political Action Committee.

"You have my commitment on this,” Terrill said. "I'm never going to give up on this issue. We're going to continue to charge ahead.”

His idea to deal with babies born to illegal immigrants would be for Oklahoma to refuse to issue a birth certificate, he said. Instead, the state would send an acknowledgement of birth to the U.S. embassy or consulate of the parents' nation of origin requesting a birth certificate.

"That would set up the legal challenge because you would have unlawfully present, foreign national parents who would be suing the state of Oklahoma to try to get a birth certificate for a child who they would be claiming is a U.S. citizen,” he said.

Law enforcement changes
Terrill's legislation also calls for providing financial incentives to local police and sheriff departments to send officers to get federal training on immigration issues, he said. Tulsa County is the only county in the state that has a partnership with the U.S. Immigration, Customs and Enforcement to track the immigration status of people arrested for crimes.

That office "is the model for how our other state and local law enforcement agencies in Oklahoma ought to be enforcing federal immigration law,” he said.

Terrill said he has received calls from legislators in about 12 states interested in writing similar legislation to HB 1804, which makes it criminal to transport, hire, harbor, house or conceal illegal immigrants. It also requires local law enforcement agencies to check immigration status. The law, which went into effect last week, effectively ends state-sponsored benefits for those who cannot prove they are legally in the United States.

He predicted as many as 30 states will consider similar legislation during the next few months.

Terrill said he also wants to introduce legislation to reverse a policy that allows illegal immigrant mothers to receive state and federally subsidized prenatal care in Oklahoma.

"I'm a conservative pro-life Republican, I believe that life begins in conceptions,” Terrill said. "And I believe that there are certain basic human rights that come in with personhood, the biggest one being the protection of your right to life. But that is a much different concept than being a legal U.S. citizen.”

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NYC,NY(R)

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
ANCHORBABY,ANCHORSENIORS

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!

TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE,FAX,EMAIL US CONGRESS

VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!

BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1ST NAMES

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!
V, BROOKLYN - Nov 15, 2007 at 3:52 am
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V in Brooklyn,

You might want to turn down the volume on your tinfoil hat before receiving incoming radio frequencies. The microwave radiation can cause brain damage. Also, I think the Ku Klux Klan meeting you were looking for is at the OTHER end of the hall.
Patrick, Seattle - Nov 12, 2007 at 12:04 pm
I love it when when race gets brought up when laws are mentioned as if certain ethnic groups are exempt from laws. Why have laws if no one is going to follow them? Might as well have anarchy if laws aren't going to be followed. Maybe that's the true agenda.
J.T.(I), Norman - Nov 12, 2007 at 10:08 am
V,Brooklyn- What do you mean by true patriots unite? We are all of different ethnic backgrounds. No one here is "pure bread"! This is all ridiculous, everyone deserves the right to live here.
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 11, 2007 at 9:16 am
HISPANIC,AFRICAN,LATINO ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A.
ANCHORBABYS,ANCHORSENIORS

DEPORT!DEPORT!DEPORT!NOW!

TRUE PATRIOTS UNITE!MULTIPLE PHONE,FAX,EMAIL CONGRESS!

VOID 1986,94(D)ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!NOW!

BEWARE!OF ILLEGAL LEGAL ALIENS WITH FAKE AMERICAN 1STNAMES

LATINO,AFRICAN,HISPANIC ALIENS DO NOT BELONG IN THE U.S.A. NYC,NY(R)

V, BROOKLYN - Nov 11, 2007 at 8:22 am
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Rudy,
Have you ever heard the phrase: "It's not what you say, but how you say it"? If you read what I said closely, you'll notice that I was careful to say "we are not Nazi Germany." History has already happened. We are not Germany, and will not become Germany. But if you closely study the history of every fascist regime--ranging from Pinochet and Suharto to Franco and Mussolini--there is literally a blueprint that dictators use to rise to power. Despite the cultural and historical differences between these countries and ours, there are many direct comparisons in government activity that are nearly identical in each. I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through so much to cross an invisible line that a lot of rich, slave-owning white men drew up not that long ago. I understand your frustrations at those who have "jumped the line." But why do we have "a line" in the first place? A line to cross a completely fictitious boundary that is maintained through physical violence? This world is getting too crowded for any ideas of cultural homogeneity, and those that think it is possible are willing to inflict great suffering upon other human beings to see their vision become a reality. It becomes clear, that when it comes to ideas of cultural identity and race, that in this country--ideas are more important than actual people. What you did is essentially play by "all the rules" that other, self-entitled people put in place to dissuade you from coming here. I ask this question: What sort of country are we building where setting foot on its land without prior notification is a crime? Wouldn't that mean that anyone coming here for "freedom" automatically becomes a criminal? Whatever happened to "give me your tired, your poor, your hungry..."? It's frightening that you would mention a nationalist party arising in this country, because I believe it's already happening all around us. All it's going to take is one more pressure point and the system locks in place. It's high time we give a hard look in the mirror as a country, and stop just giving lip service to the ideals it was supposedly founded upon. It is impossible to take away freedoms in the name of "freedom." George Orwell had a word for just that: doublespeak. The Natives called it "speaking with a forked tongue." Either way, as I mentioned at the beginning, "it's not what you say, but how you say it."
Patrick, Seattle - Nov 9, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Rudy, I completely respect the fact that you took the time to become a legal citizen. I am not saying that coming over illegally is not a crime but I am saying that they are going about this the wrong way.
I belive it will only cause problems.
And I am totally against making Oklahoma an English only state! That is ridiculous. I love all languages and honestly I dont think people speaking other languages in this state affects anyone in a negative way. I have a translation/interpretation degree in Spanish and I am proud to be able to speak Spanish. I spend time working with children whos parents only speak spanish and helping them with their english comprehension. I also work as a resp therapist at a hospital and I work with hispanics there on a daily basis. Like i said this is turning into bigger trouble than there needs to be
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 9, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Janice is tied up on the other article. They will seize property and fine up to $1,000 and charge with a felony anyone that harbors, transports, or employs an illegal immigrant and yes the Mexicans are being singled out because that is where a majority of the illegal immigrants are from. As I stated in the other article and it goes along with what you all say. I DONT CONSIDER MEXICO FOREIGN nor CANADA for that matter! Oh well, that will make an interesting legal argument.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Janice is tied up on the other article. They will seize property and fine up to $1,000 and charge with a felony anyone that harbors, transports, or employs an illegal immigrant and yes the Mexicans are being singled out because that is where a majority of the illegal immigrants are from. As I stated in the other article and it goes along with what you all say. I DONT CONSIDER MEXICO FOREIGN nor CANADA for that matter! Oh well, that will make an interesting legal argument.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm

Patrick,
Those harboring Jews were not fined...they were sent to camps to die along with the Jews and others horrible deaths. Are you comparing a fine or the seizing of an asset to being murdered? Where is your sense of proportion? I'm a legal naturalized United States Citizen from Latin America and I don't have a problem with these proposals. You don't like the term
"Illegal immigration" as if there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration. I waited 18 years to become a citizen of the United States. We did it through legal methods. Should our patience’s and perseverance be diluted by those that won't do it legally? Keep in mind that there are plenty of us out here that did it the hard way and that resent it when others get to cut to the front of the line and make it even harder for us. If this country does not get control of the illegal immigration issue we will certainly see the rise of a nationalist party. You can only push people so far too fast. Eventually they will rise to protect what they see as the transfiguration of the country they love and are yes...willing to die for.

Sincerely,
Rudy Garcia
Proud Brown American, Latin American, Hispanic American or what ever American is politically correct for this decade. I prefer simply....American. No strings attached. We broke those at the border.
Rudy, Hopewell - Nov 9, 2007 at 4:31 pm
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By the way David- you can not say that the majority of the "American People" agree with Janice, because we are only the US, Mexico is in America, and to get more technical there is central and south america and we are all considered "American People"
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 9, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Patrick- Well said!!! The way people are acting seems to me to be similar to the days of segregation! Except its the latinos not the blacks. This whole process will leed to nothing more than hate crimes. We are all alike. This is diversity people deal with it, its the way the world works. It is everywhere. Seriously I believe if there wasnt so much falsified propaganda on the television people wouldnt be half as judgemental as they are in todays world. But seriously if you walk on the wrong side of town and someone doesnt like you because of the way you look, you are more than likely going to get shot.
The media keeps throughing around the word mexico and mexicans. Honestly if they think the problem is with drug trafficing and people crossing the border and committing crimes, then they need to take their time and money and do something about that....... But there is no reason to cause so much unnecessary drama here. They are scaring people, uprooting them from their home and it is terrible. We are not leaving a very good name for ourselves as Oklahomans or better yet Americans!!!! Technically 99% of our population is immigrants, our ancestors came here long ago and stole the land from the native americans. Wake up and do something about it!!!!
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 9, 2007 at 4:19 pm
People, wake up! I seriously hope there are at least enough U.S. citizens left who have seriously and thoroughly studied the Holocaust to realize where this is going. How is this any different than Hitler's orders that those harboring Jews would be prosecuted? The fact that they are not white? It's amazing how many people get angry when any mention of Nazi Germany gets brought up, but <i>actions speak louder than words</i>. While we are not Nazi Germany, and never will be, you can bet when we start going rapidly in a fascist direction like this--we might start looking like an American version. This is nothing but corn-fed, down-home American racism. We constantly use ridiculous terms like "illegal immigration," forgetting the most important fact of all: WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS. If we are to take this to a logical step, then technically we should kick every white person out of this country and let the Native Americans have their country back.
Patrick, Seattle - Nov 9, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Brook; Well said! I agree with you 100%.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 9, 2007 at 11:49 am
Doug- I completely agree with you. What ever happened to hospitality and treating others how we would want to be treated. Our politicians and governor are not setting a good example for our children. To them it is nothing but hate, segregation and racism. Our world is made of different people diversity is everywhere. You can not keep people from being different. And what happened to freedom of speech?
I believe that means not only we are free to say what we want but also in what language we want to say it in.
I am totally against HB 1804 in all aspects, and also against making oklahoma an english only state. I dont think it is possible or right. Spanish is not the only other language that is spoken in oklahoma.
This is becoming ridiculous.
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 9, 2007 at 10:56 am
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2007 at 8:16 am
Janice: I agree with you 100 percent and so does the majority of the American people.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2007 at 8:16 am
Having lived in California for the last 15 years I have personally seen the major issues that illegal immigration will bring to communities.
Let me give you a glimpse of what Oklahoma is in for if this bill fails or is overturned by a liberal court.
It begins by overloading your schools with students whose parents don’t pay the property taxes to support them. My kids have had to share a teacher and classroom with several students that spoke very little to no English. I just wished one day we could get a real estimate of how many students are in our American schools illegally.
Next and the most deadly is destruction of proper medical care for legal citizens. This is typically in areas where large groups of illegal’s live and abuse the emergency care system with non-emergency visits.
I was recently visiting a local Wal-mart I’ve gone to for years. They made several announcements in Spanish only. The feeling is that English is becoming the second language in California.
We actually have brick and mortar stores in California that sell food items but don’t accept cash or credit only tax payer supported California WIC cards. As you could guess a vast amount of the signs for the stores are in Spanish.
It was just 1994 that the citizens of California passed their own version of HB1804 (prop187). It passed with over 70% of the vote. We thought this would stop the poor invasion from the south but unfortunately politics and liberalism (9th circuit court) prevented it. The overwhelming vote of the people was overturned.
It’s estimated that in California it costs the taxpayers 11 billion dollars a year to support the illegal’s. That’s money that should be going to pay for our elderly and services for poor Americans not criminals from other countries.
I personally believe that the issue in California has progressed to the point where overwhelming numbers of illegal’s vote in our elections, which if it continues will certainly prevent the passing of illegal immigration laws and bankrupt the state within the next two years.
Your doing fine Oklahoma, keep up the fight till I get back there.
Don’t let California’s demise be yours!!
steve, orange - Nov 9, 2007 at 2:34 am
While some lawmakers enhance their political careers and all too many of us declare "it is about time," Oklahoma demonstrates to the nation that our emerging reputation as a friendly and caring people is undeserved. Yessiree, let's just toss 'em out or at least make life so hard they'll want to leave. Let's make sure these flagrant lawbreakers suffer the consequences of their decision to live and work in Oklahoma. Just let 'em suffer (and maybe infect others) because they're afraid to seek medical help when needed. This law is nothing to be proud of - just an unfortunate artifact of our frontier mentality.
Concerned 2, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:45 pm
About time for what? To completely seclude almost fifty percent of our population from the rest of this state. No one said that you had to learn another language. Are you affected by a different language every day? Is it impossible for you to function or live your normal life if there is another language spoken in this state. I think not!
There are many languages spoken all over the world, I think this is a bit too much!
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:04 pm
All I want to say is IT IS ABOUT TIME!
Teresa, Bethany - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Im so glad that you think that about me. However I am a highly educated respiratory therapist. I also work with kids in an ESL program<English as a Second Language>. I do have a three year old daughter and I am continuing my education working on my masters degree in bio sciences. And yes I do this all by myself, work two jobs raise a little girl and go to school. Quit judging and stereotyping.
You are not any better than anyone else. Thanks for your opinion though
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 8, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Brooke: Well, I am so glad that you educated me on that issue. Why, I was so uneducated about all of that. So sorry. NOT. For your information, I do not care one bit how you feel about my comments. You are probably one of the fat, lazy bums living off the welfare system. Get up off your fat butt and go feed your kids their food stamp food.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Jonathon: That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard. Your comment,"Birth control is not culturally accepted in the hispanic community." Well, is keeping your zipper zipped or your legs crossed culturally accepted in the hispanic community. Just because birth control is not culturally accepted in the hispanic community, does not mean that I should be held responsible for their offsring. That is not culturally accepted in my community. You are probably one of those lazy bums that is living off the welfare system. Those of you that are so eager to support other people's children, then I say, do it, and let the ones that don't feel that way alone.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Janice, the "illegal immigrants" they are reffering to in HB 1804 are all Hispanics from different hispanic countries are not only from Mexico.That is a terrible generalization and misconception made by uneducated people. I dont think that you should be making uneducated remarks about other people. Dont judge those who need help from the state, one day that might bite you in the butt and you might end up in a similar situation. I find a lot of the comments you make ridiculous. The truth hurts? right
Brooke, Yukon - Nov 8, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Janice, your comments are ignorant and I can tell by your language you are as well. Birth control is not culturally accepted in the hispanic community. It goes against their pro-life religous beliefs.
Jonathon, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Janice, your comments are ignorant and I can tell by your language you are as well. Birth control is not culturally accepted in the hispanic community. It goes against their pro-life religous beliefs.
Jonathon, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Harvey: What is wrong with you? I am around Indians all of the time, and they ALL speak English. Go to any town where the majority of the people are Indians, they all speak English. As far as H.B. 1804 and the Mexicans, why wouldn't one refer to the Mexicans when discussing H.B. 1804? Mexicans are the only ones you ever see or hear complaining. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it. The truth sure hurts, doesn't it?
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Harvey, you're exactly right on that issue. I don't see anyway that this new legislation could ever make it. I don't agree with pushing this new legislation, it's overkill and uncalled for. What's the story with the tribes and the centennial? Are they going to protest or be included?
J.T.(I), Norman - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Harvey: You just brought up something that is one of my biggest pet peeves, and that is,where some of you people seem to think everyone should support the children of the lazy, no good bums that have the children. I will put it in plain words. If you do not want to support your children, then keep your damn zipper zipped and your damn legs crossed!!!!!!! These women can get any type of birth control free, and men can even get free condoms. DO NOT EXPECT ME TO SUPPORT YOUR CHILDREN!!!!! My husband died at a very young age, and I was left with two small children to support, and I never asked anyone for one penny to support my children. I got out and worked my butt off to make sure my children were housed, clothed, and fed. When I take my 87 year old Mother to DHS, I wait in the car for her, you see these fat lazy tramps come out of the door with a kid on one hip and a cell phone in the other hand, they walk over and get into a brand new car, then expect the taxpayers to support their kids. Well, I not only say no, I say HELL NO!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Keep an eye on the news and see if there isn't an outcry from the tribes regarding HB 1804 author's move to make ENGLISH the official language of the State of Oklahoma. Give it a few days. He might get everything else he wants into law, but I seriously doubt with over 31 federally recognized Indian tribes in Oklahoma he will get the English as the official language law. That is not just racist, but downright disrespectful to the tribes!! Janice?
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Look who's talking Janice with your svelte body, superior intellect, priviledged, favored, Queen of Eastern Oklahoma with her palace in Muskogee. You have a higher opinion of yourself than I do. You dodged the HB 1804 is supposed to be making the Mexicans leave by the thousands statement. That is the heart of the matter. HB 1804 is against Mexicans in your eyes. Gee Golly Whiz. I can't be conservative relics like you still exist, but apparently they do and what are they doing cloning themselves into the likes of the author of HB 1804?
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Look who's talking Janice with your svelte body, superior intellect, priviledged, favored, Queen of Eastern Oklahoma with her palace in Muskogee. You have a higher opinion of yourself than I do. You dodged the HB 1804 is supposed to be making the Mexicans leave by the thousands statement. That is the heart of the matter. HB 1804 is against Mexicans in your eyes. Gee Golly Whiz. I can't be conservative relics like you still exist, but apparently they do and what are they doing cloning themselves into the likes of the author of HB 1804?
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Harvey: Quit bragging on yourself. That is getting a little old. And you are a Brad Pitt? I think NOT.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Harvey: Read the article about the Mexican store. That is exactly what the owner of the store and the newspaper called it. Read my post again about the baby part. A Mexican mother made that comment to me about her baby. I would never dream of referring to one of my children as a rock or a tree, and not being a human. As far as your opinion of me, I really don't care. Do you think everyone has a high opinion of you? You sound like you have been hitting those "HAPPY PILLS," to much. Slow it down!!!! If I am a racist for standing firm on my beliefs, and not let myself be abused by a bunch of criminals, then so be it. GO, GO, RANDY TERRILL.
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Robin, did you get a buzz on your (or other) douche water, douche bag!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Janice dear, my christian behavior is a goal. I have to fight battles daily like everyone else. That being said, I knew quite a few Mexican women from my church and I was never physical with any of them! I have been physical with more than a couple White women!! I can't believe you said that about a poor innocent child! Janice I thought you had some potential, but Robin is right! Not only that why does the store suddenly have to be a "MEXICAN STORE"! And another thing Janice, you genius of superior intellect you just showed all of your racist preconcieved notions. According to your statement that HB 1804,"is making all the Mexicans leave by the thousands." YOU SAID IT! That is the very heart of this hate bill in your eyes and everyone that supports it!! You can't deny it you said it. You didn't dress it up as illegal immigrant, you went straight for MEXICAN. I knew it! Now you are defending old stocky build Hate Bill author, well next to me he is FAT! and OLD! and UGLY! BALD HEADED! and RACIST! If he is Baptist, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Does anyone care about Harveys teeth or what he looks like? I love how the bleeding hearts blame US for the bad decisions of these illegals and where it gets them. The reason most of them are Hispanic is geography. So if anyone is racist its geography.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Does anyone care about Harveys teeth or what he looks like? I love how the bleeding hearts blame US for the bad decisions of these illegals and where it gets them. The reason most of them are Hispanic is geography. So if anyone is racist its geography.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Hey, Harvey, I just read in the paper that there is a new Mexican grocery store opening in southwest OKC. It is even going to have a clinic. So, maybe you can go there and have your tooth fixed. I don't know why they would build a hugh Mexican store if H.B. 1804 is making all of the Mexican people leave by the thousands. Can you answer that for me? Oh, not only are they building that one, they are also planning on a second Mexican store in your area. They said that these Mexican stores would be larger than the Wal-Mart Supercenters. Now, figure that one out.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Janice , most white women these day's will sleep with anyone as well (ANNA NICOLE )to get what they want. The Catholic faith teaches that you are born a sinner & destined for hell if you are not Baptized. So I am sure the Mexican lady was referring to this & not insinuating that her child was not human.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Don't they have a clinic at OU Medical Center that can at least pull the tooth ? The crown can wait as long as it doesn't hurt & there is no pain if you get the gas first & then the shot !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Harvey: I guess it is time I brought you up to date. I have not known many Mexican women, but the ones that I have known,would sleep with anyone, if it got them what they wanted. And I do mean anyone. Now, speaking of babies, I knew this one Mexican woman that had a baby, and she said that her baby was no more than a rock or a tree out in the yard, and the baby was not even considered a human until it was baptized. Now, how about them little green apples. Randy Terrill is not fat, he is what one would refer to as of stocky build. Harvey, quit blaming everyone for children going hungry, put the blame where it belongs, blame the parents. They knew something like this could happen when they came to this country illegally. Also, QUIT playing the children's card!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Harvey, Are you still taking cold medicine or do you really believe the stuff you are spouting ????
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:34 pm
On a more personal level, I need to pay my dentist $550 for a crown even with insurance and no the Indians don't pay for restoration. I have a tooth on the other side that I hoped would hold out until I could get to it financially. It is decayed to the root and there is no saving it. I have had a toothache off and on for about 5 days. This is one of the facts of life. Sometimes we have to endure unpleasantness and no money don't solve everything. Even if I had the money to get all my teeth fixed, I would still have the pain of a toothache and the pain of getting the anesthesia and then the pain of extraction. I have already used up all my insurance allowance for this year and I hope I can get this tooth pulled. I have no solution right now. I know the dentist I am using is going to want to finish up on the crown that we started nearly two months ago.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:33 pm
So that the cutesy cute housekeeper can keep working and be subjected to the Master of the house advances. The illegal wife and husband don't have to get busted at the same time. If cutesy cute don't submit then she gets threatened with deportation and that softens her up so she can work on other insignificant soft things ie. the Master of the House!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 3:28 pm
What is wrong with sending the police departments to get special training ? With this new Hb that is in effect (spelling???) I would think they would need to have proper training so that no one is mistreated. Harvey, if the mother & father are both illegal why would they just deport the father only ??
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Harvey, You are just asking for it !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Janice do you still hold old lard ass in high esteem. No people, I am not picking on fat people, its just that Janice has nothing to do with fat people that she considers inferior.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Janice, the author of Hate Bill 1804 is obviously a jelly belly. Don't you discount him as being a fat inferior species? Robin, with Brads rapid onset of aging a friend told me that I look better than Brad Pitt. I don't judge my looks because that is a superficial quality. But if one more person says anything about my looks, I'am going to Hollywood. Remember, the 21 yr old that flirted with me in Family Dollar? The last time I bought my lady friend a beer, I was IDed and a year older than the clerk. I think the compliment is that I am holding up good for my age.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Now Harvey, don't go getting violent, did I read your post right did you say you were better looking than Brad Pitt?? I hope no one has to go hungry, but I honestly do not understand why speaking the language of the United States which is most often english, is such a big deal for people to accept . I really think that the illegals would have been tolerated a lot more if this had been the case & they were able to communicate better.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Robin, please don't drink your douche water!! Janice might covet it!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Robin, no the author of Hate Bill 1804 hasn't gassed, starved, tortured anyone yet. I would imagine that some of the poor defenseless children that he would seek to cut off their food benefits will starve. He will make it hard for their illegal immigrant mom to feed them because her illegal husband will be deported. That brings me to my next point, I said something was behing the author of Hate Bill 1804s hatred. He probably set his sights on some cutesy cute immigrant housekeeper and his balding, pudgy, pud, puckered out! To prove his virility and his manhood he has to show the object of his affections that he is a powerful man by getting laws enacted that might get her illegal husband deported! Oh well, I am sure that stranger things have happened. For that matter by looking at his picture in his bio, it very well be that he is competing with an illegal female for the affections of an illegal male! I saw pictures of him in the Oklahoman and thought he was much older. I will chew that pudgy, soft, feminine looking boy up if I ever get the chance. Me being older that him, I would love to him to swing on me!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Do you think I give a damn how you spell your name it's a pretty stupid name in my opinion , maybe your parents were hoping it would make you intelligent , guess they were wrong!! I have heard of ignoramus any relation ????
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Janice the only one here wearing a sheet is you & Desidarius You are in the dictionary under fool. If the Government would step up to the plate maybe this guy wouldn't have too. And Todd try being yourself the Jason thing is getting old, Kl , I am so glad you set him straight on babies , can you imagine someone thinking of them as just peices of meat ? How sick is that ??? Last time I checked not one illegal immigrant had been gassed, starved, or tortured as is what Hitler did best. Randy Terrill isn't trying to put anyone to death.
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You know I wrote a long piece in response to your diatribe, but there is no reasoning with people who can't put away emotion and quantify what your talking about. I cannot relate on rational terms to irrational, fact-less opinions; facts please! We are all opinionated and have ass holes, so what?
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Harvey, You the kkk may have gotten her !!!!
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Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Sorry but the increase in wages will not offset the huge savings in costs so if you think this will cost the average taxpayer money you are badly misinformed. First lets consider just the services they use: Medicaid, DHS assistance (yes to this point illegals could get daycare subsidy, TANF etc) etc.

Then consider that very few of them pay Social Security or Medicare tax as you and I do on wages. Most are paid under the table in cash to avoid the feds database cross referencing. You may wonder why at retirement why the system can't afford reasonable cost of living increases and then you will not be such a supporter of the illegals. Elvia and Desiderius probably whine about the minimum wage being too low. You know where the labor supply comes from that suppresses wage levels? Its your buddy the illegal alien. Let Americans take these jobs which they will when the employer starts having to pay a living wage to get workers after all the illlegals are sent home. The minimum wage won't be an issue anymore and more Americans will be at work and supporting their families. We all will profit from that both socially and economically.
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Whose economic models are you looking at? None that I know never comes close to predicting the activity you describe. Labor costs will not be pressured to rise because of output but because there are less humans to accommodate the local economy hence, labor can ask for more money. Labor goes up then well so on and so on. Draw a simple yield curve with demand and price and it will clearly show the pressure I am talking about and can predict any variation! Predict! I am still not sure how graph "should?" Is that an output, input, or just something lame to make your point?
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Janice is back!!!.....Founching at the Bits?!?!?!?
amy, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:44 pm
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Yes labor costs will go up where they should be. And those dollars will be going to Oklahomans and be spent in Oklahoma instead of being funneled off to Mexico. Less Oklahomans will be out of work. The crime rate should also drop some due to criminals leaving and poor Oklahomans getting jobs.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Finally, someone who acknowledges that all this is just going to costs us more than save us. Well said, Desiderius.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:38 pm
It appears that a small number of people have forgotten that society has rules and laws.

It seems that some people are accusing people of being RACIST to try to clinch their argument that illegal activities are ok, including the acts of illegal aliens. Vigorous debate is good. Pointed discussion is encouraged. Name calling is out

Present U.S. anchor baby "policy" is an abuse of the 14th Amendment. This amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the civil rights of native-born blacks, not to give illegal alien babies citizenship in the United States.

In 1873 the US Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment excluded "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States."

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Saving taxpayers money? We will lose more money in higher wages paid and increase in cost of goods because we are subtracting labor that will stress other factors. Saving taxpayer money is a misnomer - it will cost us more in real dollars and cents! What a bunch of uneducated garbage!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:09 pm
I pulled up Randy Terrills bio on Microsoft internet explorer. I am surprised to see that he is a Baptist and born in 1969. I am 4 years older than him and he looks like a balding, pudgy, grandfather looking dufus. I am very fortunate indeed. I guess he is filled with hate because the years are wearing him out. I am a year younger than Brad Pitt and was told due to his rapid aging that I look better than him. I am resigning from the world of everything and going to hollywood. See you all!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Isch bin Duetsch! Remember Janice, that is one of my largest bloods along with the Cheyenne. I guess if you have an Indian, German, Irish, French that would make for one heck of a hell raising party! Maybe we could have a beer fest and whoever emerges unscathed gets to set public policy. What do you think Janice are you game?
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Harvey: There are several laws, if you disobey them, they can seize your property. House, car, even your false teeth. So, how do you see this as being any differant?
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:57 am
Shame on Mr. Terrill for enforcing immigration law. Shame on him for saving taxpayers millions of dollars a year. Shame on him for sticking up for his constituents who are tired of funding illegal immigrants who are ungrateful enough to demand more. Oh and thank you Mr. Terrill from my family.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:54 am
Well, I agree with HB 1804, but I think this new legislation being proposed is going too far. This new legislation is something meant for Congress and states. I can agree with the frustration of illegal immigration, but choosing who's a citizen and who's not should be the job of the feds. I don't believe this one will pass. I do agree with the article which says other states will be coming up with bills like HB 1804. In general, people are just tired of the problem and want action. Since Congress refuses to act in any way cities, counties, and states are left to pick up pieces.
J.T.(I), Norman - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:51 am
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:50 am
Some of you people posting on here are, "FOUNCHING AT THE BITS."
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:50 am
Harvey: Now ,don't be putting the Germans down. I happen to be GERMAN.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:48 am
Hi Janice. You remember when Hitler came to power don't you. Do you think that if we had known what he was when he first started squeaking up if we had let him ascend to the power that attained?
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Hi Amy, I have no idea where Janice is or Robin. Can you believe the author of Hate Bill 1804, he is going after Kindergardners and elementary students. Plus, he is bent on seizing property from people who transport, harbor, or employ illegal immigrants. I wonder if his affections were rejected by some cutesy cute immigrant housekeeper? Oh shame on me! There is something at the root of his hatred. Right now, everyone in Oklahoma that even has remote dealings with immigrants that own any kind of property need to be in contact with their state senators, state representatives, and the Governor.
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This has nothing to do with our bowels. However, along with my panties being in a wad, my bowels are acting up!
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Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:36 am
Harvey: It just took awhile this morning to get this poor old decrepit body in motion. No, it was not me that got burned, I would not want to disappoint Robin, she wants me to die and rot. Of course, Robin thinks that she is immortal, she thinks that she will instantly be turned into an angel, just flying around in her little white gown with her halo. She had better be careful though, flying around wearing all white, someone might think she is a member of the KKK. Hey, people, "QUIT GETTING YOUR BOWELS IN SUCH AN UPROAR."
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Steven, do you know why, if true, births in OK are paid by Medicare more times than not (if true). Because of lack of education, low income, very poor pre-natal care that contributes to high child morbidity, and finally, the lack of family planning. Not because of immigration! mr. terrill "have you no conscience, sir?" Sounds familiar to the communist witch hunt of the fifties? You bet it does! P.S., the word "english" is not even English, it is Anglican. I know, Anglican is a reference to english tribe Angles, but originally from northern europe. Most english is from greek or latin. So to make english the "official" language is absurd and the makings of a man who enjoys his power. Power is an illusion and so is terrill!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:33 am
Not only egotistical and racially prejudice, but also a Hitler incarnated. Mr. Terrill, you’re a bigheaded proud racist, and then still have the audacity to call yourself a Christian.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:19 am
Where does this rascist crap come from? I have never known Rep. Terrill to be a rascists and the group he is after are illegal immigrants regardless of ethnic group.

Anyone who doubts the $160 million spent in our schools needs to do a little research on the subject. The DOE has the data if you care but I am guessing that most of you just want to make up whatever suits your point of view.

Nearly 50% of the births in this state are paid for by taxpayers (Medicaid funded) and if you will check with the OHCA you will find a substantial amount is paid for 'anchor' babies.

If you think every illegal comes here to work you should contact the OSBI and the OBNDD and ask about the drug trade and illegal immigrants involvment.

Steven, Guthrie - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:17 am
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K.L., warr acres - Nov 8, 2007 at 11:14 am
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How arrogant of Mr Terrill to believe that he can change the U.S. Constitution. What does he have against babies,any babies, and children who are attending school? Why are you targeting specific groups? Sounds like a personal vendetta to me. He is truly Hitler embodied. And Harvey you are right where is Janice?
amy, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:52 am
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Hail to the leader of the great state of Oklahoma, Randy Terrill.
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Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:26 am
Thank you Mr. Terrill, you are absolutely correct on this issue. The United States is a 'Nation of Laws'. Lets enforce the laws.

In 1873 the US Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment excluded "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States."
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K.L., my point is the embryo cannot survive without it's mother. Air is the key to life - Air, Air, Air.
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Anton, fish breathe in air through their gills!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:16 am
Once again people let me say, have you ever broke the speed limit, even by one mile and hour, then you too have broken the law. Goddamn sanctimonious morons!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:15 am
Desiderius, I think you said it all.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:14 am
Desiderius. On your arguement, fish must not be real (no "air") and same with insects (they don't even have "lungs"). Life cannot exist without oxygen. And, in this case, its called the "umbilical cord". It contains one vein to carry deoxygenated blood (from the "lump of tissue" back to the mother) and two arteries that carry oxygenated blood (from the mother to the "lump of tissue"). Since "breathing" is an important criteria, consider that gas exchange in the lungs is possible at 16-25 weeks. Maybe define the criteria you need for you to consider someone "dead", take those terminal elements, and consider when those functions "turn on" in the lump of tissue. I do like your thoughtful (EEGs start at 12 weeks) arguement and sorry about the affront to your senses (to your nervous system that developed at 16-25 weeks). Cool name tho...a name shared by high scholars and kings.
K.L., warr acres - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:13 am
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Jonathon, I question the "values" of a person whose first act in this country was a crime of illegal entry. This person has already proven questionable morals and does not respect our laws.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:11 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am
They are breathing aren't they? My mother died of emphysema. She knew when she labored to take another breath it may be her last - breath. Anton, go buy a piece of red meat in the store and take it home and then shock it with electricity, or punch it - you will see this dead piece of meat respond from external stimuli. Can you remember a thought while you were in the womb, Anton? By the way, my great, great uncle was named Anton. Anton Classen. And yes, I am comparing a piece of red meat to an embryo - they are roughly the same thing to me.
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 10:08 am
the majority of people in norman think this guy is a piece of vomit. the people in norman think this guy is wasting there tax dollars on something that has little to do with helping the grand scheme of his district. he is going with this issue because he wants the people in oklahoma to be polarized so he can more votes to run for a higher office. this guy wants to be a career politician. he cant seem to get gainful employment any other way. i always thought oklahoma was smart enough to recognize this type of person and get him out of office quickly. but its not the first time ive been wrong, nor shall it be the last. thanks oklahoma for being so unthoughful on this. everyone im sure, can agree that illegal is illegal. i also think if everyone stepped back and thought about this one for a minute that they may see that this bill will be next to impossible to enforce, and probably should be handled in a different light. in the meantime people are still fired up about this issue that randy will ride into the senate.... way to go okies...you DO NOT deserve better. but norman does.
Randy, Moore - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:57 am
Mr. Terrill is wrong on this issue, and in my opinion, I find it disgusting that he promotes being a conservative christian yet promotes legislation that goes against every christian principle Christ taught. If he were an intellegent politician he would understand that the GOP needs to embrace immigrants who have already entered our country. For the most part their family values trump the so called "family values" of Republicans like Mr. Terrill. I find it ironic that the same type of speech we hear folks like Mr. Terrill espousing is nearly identical, word for word, with the speach of another politician...Adolf Hitler when he spoke against the Jews. Mr. Terrill you and your neocon buddies are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Jonathon, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:57 am
Very ironic that some people think God would support a people who break the law and steal welfare from others. God must hate people who work hard and do things the right way and follow the rules. Desiderius, go tell the people who cant breath for themselves and are on breathing machines your theory of what constitutes life. I'd say thoughts and the perception of physical stimuli would be a better indicator.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:47 am
AMERICANS FIRST!!!!! It is nice to know we have people like Mr. Terrill looking out for the best interest of the American people. Way to go, Mr. Terrill. Keep it up.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:47 am
Janice, where are you. I heard about 3 men locking a woman in a vehicle and trying to burn her up! I didn't get all the details but I immediately thought of you. Are you okay? Please tell me it wasn't you. Robin have you seen Janice?
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:44 am
Thanks Tasha, that is the missing part of a contitutional argument that needs to be brought to the attention of those fighting the hateful anti-immigrant movement. Desiderius, careful!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:43 am
States can't overide the US Constitution. If this guy had any sense he'd know that. It says: any person born or naturalized. At some point, we all had immigrant parents so should our citizenship be "questioned" as well?
Tasha, Del city - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:34 am
The "wrath of almighty"? Another lie!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:26 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:25 am
The wrath of the Almighty is real! It is also actively preached in certain congregations.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:21 am
I will personally lobby the Native Americans at the level of the National Congress of American Indians to keep English from becoming the official language. I think Oklahoma needs to stop the Hitler of Moore that hates anyone that is different than him. I also think that Christian people need to be praying about this man. Yes, I am sure that there are Christians that support him. Those that support him need to pray for his health. He is wantonly violating everything that America has stood for in my life time. Where is all men are created equal? Where is the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The author of Hate Bill (HB 1804) is in serious need of an attitude adjustment and this American/Christian/Native American/Veteran/Registered Republican will be first in line to give it to him. His obviously a sadistic misfit. What happened to him to make him hate immigrants so much? I work by the Capitol I think next time American Citizens gather for a protest he needs to bring his coward self out and address the crowd. No, I am sure he don't have the guts to do that. God controls our very breath. I look for an F-5 to take out Mr. Hate Bill 1804s house anytime. Those of you that support and defend him move!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:20 am
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:18 am
If babys are considered "alive" at conception, how do they breathe? Life cannot exist without air! Fact! Try it, hold your breath for 9 months - gestation time for humans - now after 9 months you can breathe. LIFE BEGINS UPON THE FIRST BREATHE, NOT AT CONCEPTION! This desperate lie from the so-called christian right will determine natural law. What hypocritical lies! terrill has succeeded in turning time again backwards - what a genuine moron and an affront to decency and my senses!
Desiderius, Uptown - Nov 8, 2007 at 9:18 am
This guy is a joke. I am in the education business. I dont care if the student is legal illegal green red or blue every child deserves an education. Racist racist racist.
amy, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2007 at 8:55 am
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BTW I know my location says OKC and not Moore. I live here: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=35%C2%B020'16%22n,+97%C2%B030'53%22W&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ll=35.338619,-97.514713&spn=0.007422,0.014141&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 8:34 am
Job well done, Mr. Randy Terrill. The people of Oklahoma are proud of you. Keep up the good work.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2007 at 8:33 am
Yes we are, Margaret. He is making provisions to enforce the laws we have always had. He is protecting our interests as US citizens.
Anton, OKC - Nov 8, 2007 at 8:06 am
I wonder if the people of Moore of proud of this guy.
Margaret, Holdenville - Nov 8, 2007 at 7:23 am

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