Will a new candidate emerge at OU?
Will a new candidate emerge at OU?

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By John Greiner
Published: December 31, 2007

NORMANUniversity of Oklahoma President David L. Boren and former U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia are convening a bipartisan group of nationally prominent political figures next Sunday and Monday to challenge presidential candidates to focus on serious issues.

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Those planning to attend include:

New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a possible independent candidate for president.

•Former Democrat U.S. Sen. Charles S. Robb of Virginia.

Bill Brock, former Republican Party chairman and former Tennessee U.S. Senator.

Jim Leach, a former Republican congressman from Iowa.

•Former Democratic presidential candidate Gary Hart, who also served in the U.S. Senate.

Those invited will arrive Sunday evening in Norman and will first meet informally.

They will meet again Jan. 7, and then go to Holmberg Hall on the OU campus for a public panel discussion — open to students and the media — and conclude with a press conference on the OU campus, Boren said.

"This is not a Bloomberg for president meeting,” said Boren, a former U.S. Senator.

But, if those running for president don't begin talking about bringing the country together, it could create an opening for an independent candidacy, Boren said.

"We used to work together across party lines and we used to cooperate with each other,” Boren told the Associated Press of his relationships with current and former senators who plan to attend.

"It is a message to the two parties: Please rise to the occasion. If you don't, there is always a possibility out there of an independent.

"We need statesmanship, not politics. The meeting in itself implies there could be other possibilities,” than a two-party contest.

However, Boren told The Oklahoman, "This does not signal my re-entry into politics. I will stay where I am. I don't intend to run for anything.”

Some attending the meeting intend to support their party's nominee for president, Boren said.

What's the purpose?
The meeting's purpose probably is best described in the letter Boren and Nunn sent to those who are coming to Norman.

"Today we are a house divided. We believe that the next president must be able to call for a unity of effort by choosing the best talent available — without regard to political party — to help lead our nation,” they wrote.

The issues Boren and Nunn believe should be discussed in the presidential campaign include:

•A national strategy to deal with the nation's fiscal challenges.

•Educational, energy and environmental challenges.

•The "dangerous turbulence triggered by the current financial crisis.”

•In national security, America must rebuild and reconfigure its military forces, develop a viable and sustainable approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism and greatly strengthen its intelligence and diplomatic capabilities, their letter said.

"Most importantly, we must begin to restore our standing, influence and credibility in the world,” they said.

Boren said America's approval rating in the world is at its lowest level in history.

"Cooperating with the rest of the world is important to our economy and national security,” he said

Boren and Nunn were friends while serving in the U.S. Senate.

Boren, a Democrat, was chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Nunn, also a Democrat, was chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Boren, former Oklahoma governor, resigned from the U.S. Senate in 1994 to become OU's president.

Boren and Nunn said the nation's political system is at the least, badly bent, and many think it is broken at a time when America must lead "boldly at home and abroad.”


 


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Ohhh, I get it now, Jan. You're a journalist. That explains why you are left of Boren and think he's a centrist when in fact, he voted with the Democrat leadership 80% of the time. That puts him left of center. Maybe you're missing the point that easily associates him with the likes of Stipe. He positioned himself with the leadership of the party an overwhelming percentage of the time, which in the end is why he didn't seek re-election. He knew he couldn't win becuase of how he strayed from his Oklahoma roots. Stipes got his way on most issues,(probably about the same 80%) by getting the rest of the Democrats to vote his way. Meaning, if you support a crook, then you,yourself are a crook.(Thank God for Oklahoma's term limits) On the subject of Bloomberg, maybe you're retired from investigative journalism(a lost art) and don't know much about him when there is plenty to learn and comprehend. He has a lengthy(albeit short termed) political track record of which includes sanctuary for illegal aliens, against the war on terror, spoke out against his country's ability to wage this war, health care at the expense of others, extreme high taxation, limitations on individual freedom to the point of saying what free people can and cant' do inside their own home, just to list a few. Obviously, you simply haven't been listening to what's been explained about his politics or choose to attempt to cover for him. I believe it's the latter. He's definitely an over the edge socialist as proven by his words, actions, and aliances. As the symposium guest list goes, it is still heavily slanted to the left with a couple of Republican names thrown in to give the appearance of balance. Other than Bill Brock, there's narely a conservative on the list. Whitman and Cohen are Northeastern Liberals with an R in front of their name and Hagel has many issues that takes him away from a conservative basis. Bottom line is, Boren is not a flaming socailist liberal but a socialist liberal nonetheless because he supported the likes of Clinton, Algore, Schumer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, etc,. They achieve their socialist agenda because he and other so-called "moderates" supported them 80% to 20%. In my book, that makes him no different.
Brock, Beaver - Jan 2, 2008 at 3:50 pm
B, in OKC, check out Opportunity NYC. It is one of Bloomberg's brainchildren. The whole thrust of this is to pay people to make sure their kids go to school and are taken to health clinics, all at government expense. Anyone ever pay you to make sure your kids were in school and were taken care of? As the old Communist manifesto says, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". If he wants to transfer his wealth, fine. Leave the taxpayers out of it. I call that radical.
ED, MULESHOE - Jan 2, 2008 at 10:44 am
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O.K., let me count.
Bloomberg...some strange ideas, but he really has no political record to speak of on national issues. His major claim to fame is enormous wealth.
Robb...longtime member of the southern conservative wing of the Democratic party.
Bill Brock...Tennessee southern conservative Republican leader.
Jim Leach...Republican congressman from conservative, middle-America Iowa.
Gary Hart...Democratic Senator and Presidential candidate who would probably call himself a liberal. If he didn't I would.
Sam Nunn...amother of those southern Democrats with conservative to moderate credentials.
I disagree with all those who have tried to weaken the second amendment as strongly as I disagree with all those who have tried to weaken the first amendment, but in my book, Boren is a long way from being what anyone could honestly call a liberal. As a reporter who had some reason to follow his record as well as interview him, I always found him to be a master fence-straddler. So, I certainly can't count him as a conservative. Neither can I stretch my understanding of the word "liberal" to fit him.
That's why I find the association with Stipe so strange. Throughout his career, unless it had some adverse impact on his billfold or his power base, Stipe was consistently one of the most outspoken liberals in the state, fitting almost every possible meaning of the word.
As I continue to read you, I think I have a better understanding of where you're coming from on the Supreme Court. All Supreme Court judges, by the very nature of their job are "constitutionalists". But, I notice you didn't claim the Bush appointees were "constructionists". In that, I think you are completely right. I also am beginning to infer that when you call someone an "activist", you are judging them to be pushing a viewpoint which you oppose. I say any judge who is trying to impose his own political viewpoint on interpreting the constitution is an "activist" whether that viewpoint is, to use some very hackneyed words, "liberal" or "conservative". The problem with those words is that they have become over-simplified code words which often fail entirely to completely describe any man. As far as I am concerned, despite what I have said about Gene Stipe, calling him a "liberal" utterly fails to describe him.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Jan 2, 2008 at 12:43 am
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Brock, I was doing well until you mentioned Hillary. God help us all if she is our next President. Another point of concern is there is no true conservative in the Republican race for the Presidency. Ron Paul may be the closest, but he is so far off the media's radar that he might have to declar as an Independent or Libiterian to even get on ballots. Maybe someone will step forward.
JH, deep red creek - Jan 1, 2008 at 7:11 pm
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MJ, I agree with most of what you say, but, a move to the center will undoubtedly be a move to the right. Unfortunately, Bush is no Reagan as on countless issues he has sided with the Democrats. Because of that, I see him left of what conservatism is all about. Even with that being the case, the Dem's demogogue and play scare tactics with everything from the war on terror, the environment, health care, illegal aliens, education, on and on and on. I contend, his uniter idea didn't work because he didn't cave to every idea of the socialists that now run the Democrat party. I say until the Democrats change their ways of wanting to control the lives of everyday Americans, we will always be in this fragmentation. They want government control and they pursue it each and every day just as Hillary's holiday(it's Christmas, witch) commercial in Iowa suggested.
Brock, Beaver - Jan 1, 2008 at 6:03 pm
It is a sad day in our great state and nation when people are so close to one particular issue that they fail to see the big picture. When people state their own opinion they condesendlingly suggest it is in their mind. I don't have the connections that Brock has but for now I still have my mind. David Boren begin to loose credibility with most Oklahomans when he failed to support the first Gulf War and when he voted against the confirmation of Justice Thomas, the Daily Oklahoma stongly suggested that he retire. I know they are aliens (that was my fault), but the fragmentation is still there. We need a movement to the center-not left or right, but the center. GW was to be a uniter, but has become a divider. Both parties need some fresh faces on the political scene-those now are cut from the same cloth as the ones before.
JH, deep red creek - Jan 1, 2008 at 4:25 pm
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Jan, I'm not a "young folk" as you condescendingly suggest. As I stated before, his voting record was to the left 80% of the time. Because of that, and the swirl of political change in the early 90's, Boren got out of the Senate while the gettin' was good. He wanted to run again, but understood he had no chance with the country getting back to its conservative roots all the while the Democrat party continuously was going the other direction leaning to the leftist socilist ways. It's even more so now. Yes, in his early years he remembered his background where Democrats were a bit more conservative, but he followed the leadership in Washington against the wishes of his constituents back home later on. It was because of this, he understood his chances of re-election were slim. That tidbit of info comes from a local person that was on Borens team in Washington. His vote against the second amendment was the final straw. No mind warp as you smuggly suggest when comparing to Stipes. Oklahoma was not in favor of big government and less freedom for the individual. As for the fascinating speakers you speak of, they are mostly leftist in persuasion. Even this next forum/debate is slanted to the left. Counting Boren, you have 4 to the left of center and only two to the right. Typical slant and stacking the deck of Demcorats and Boren if you ask me. Btw, Bush has appointed extremely wonderful and intelligent purest constitutionalists to the Court instead of "activist" judges as do the Democrats. I'm old enough to know that the court system is the only way the Democrats can pass their agenda because it won't pass the test(vote) of the people. Remember, abortion was never passed by a vote. It was brought upon us by activist judges. It would have overwhelmingly failed in a vote back then and it would overwhelmingly fail today. I'm thankful that Bush has directed the court back to its original purpose. MJ, they are called illegal aliens. They are not immigrants. The fragmentation exists only in your mind because conservatives are no longer silent. The continual push by the Democrats toward a socialist venue is no longer going to come without opposition.
Brock, Beaver - Jan 1, 2008 at 12:42 pm
From the outside, this meeting appears to be a think tank solution to the problems facing our country. The only agendas that will be there are the ones that those of us on the outside looking in give to it. Issues such as illegal immigrants, the war in Iraq, the war on terror, and high energy prices has caused our country to become severely fragmented. Much of this fragmentation is due to the lack of leadership at the top levels of our government. Will a new Presidential candidate immerge from this meeting, I don’t know, but if positive and productive ideas materialize from this meeting, then we all win.
JH, deep red creek - Jan 1, 2008 at 8:36 am
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Apparently you young folks are completely unfamiliar with Boren's voting record while in the Senate. It satisfied Eddie Gaylord, so the average "leftist, socialist" probably wouldn't have been thrilled with it. Most reporters I knew thought Boren was in the wrong party. Whatever you take all that to mean, Boren is a very bright man who has used his political savvy to Benefit OU enormously. He has also used the influence accruing to his senatorial days to bring some fascinating speakers of several political persuasions to OU forums. If you look t the guest list for this particular occasion, you will find it contains well-known names from both sides of the political aisle who were able to put their partisan differences aside and find sensible solutions to significant problems. They might do so again, they might not. Anyway, it's worth a try. Brock, I wonder what peculiar mind-warp brings you to associate Boren and Stipe, and JoJo, I wonder if you realize that when it comes to constituaional interpretation "activist" and "constructionist" tend to be mutually exclusive words. Is there anyone reading this who is so naive as to believe that the justices Bush has appointed to the Supreme Court are not activists whose goal is to change the direction of the court's rulings. Or is there anyone reading this who is naive enough to believe that Bush would have appointed them for any other reason. We have been brain-washed by the spin of political talk for so long that we have forgotten what the words really mean.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Dec 31, 2007 at 11:41 pm
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OU steering left eh? I guess we knew that when Boren came on board. Surprised Hugo Chavez wasn't invited along with all his Hollyweird buddies. Maybe Fidel Castro, Putin, and Felipe Calderon will be in attendance. We all know what's going to spew out of this "conference" - socialism, universalism, and my favorite compassion. I'm sure Devona Walker will fill us in later.
J.T.(I), Norman - Dec 31, 2007 at 8:00 pm
You interestingly describe David Boren as a leftist-socialist. I was wondering what that entails. Do you mean that he was in favor of a tightly controlled economy, or that he was an ambidextrous supporter of the minimum wage being increased by .000000000001 percent?
David, Norman - Dec 31, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Boren left office back when because he understood his 80 percentile liberal(socialist) voting record was going to be his undoing in the next election. When he says, "We used to work together across party lines and we used to cooperate with each other,” he merely means back in the good ole days (like Stipes' day) when Republicans caved to Democrat demands.

He has done a good job at OU but this disturbs when he openly wants to promote another radical leftist socialist(Bloomberg) who just recently dictated limitations on freedom by banning trans-fats and smoking in ones own home! I understand institutions of higher learning(oxymoron) are commonly rampant with professors and faculty that push their socialist agenda, but to use his position and suggest that the greatest electoral system the world has ever known isn't good enough might be cause for Boren to step down from his lofty position. He seems to be once again peering down the brim of his nose upon the masses in disgust because the good ole days aren't as easy as they used to be. Quite frankly, the less Washington does the better. By his apparent close relationship and fondness with such an outspoken radical leftist, the less Boren does politically, the better.
Brock, Beaver - Dec 31, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Boren left office back when because he understood his 80 percentile liberal(socialist) voting record was going to be his undoing in the next election. When he says, "We used to work together across party lines and we used to cooperate with each other,” he merely means back in the good ole days (like Stipes' day) when Republicans caved to Democrat demands.

He has done a good job at OU but this disturbs when he openly wants to promote another radical leftist socialist(Bloomberg) who just recently dictated limitations on freedom by banning trans-fats and smoking in ones own home! I understand institutions of higher learning(oxymoron) are commonly rampant with professors and faculty that push their socialist agenda, but to use his position and suggest that the greatest electoral system the world has ever known isn't good enough might be cause for Boren to step down from his lofty position. He seems to be once again peering down the brim of his nose upon the masses in disgust because the good ole days aren't as easy as they used to be. Quite frankly, the less Washington does the better. By his apparent close relationship and fondness with such an outspoken radical leftist, the less Boren does politically, the better.
Brock, Beaver - Dec 31, 2007 at 4:59 pm
So many of us are fed-up with the non-stop partisan bickering. Thanks, Pres. Boren for taking action. Unity08 is a group attempting to do the same thing. Their approach is to nominate a president & VP from different parties - my recommendation was Boren for pres. and John McCain for vp. Maybe there's really some hope that enough voters are ready to insist that congress and the president forget partisan politics after the election and work together for the good of the USA. Billy, Gene Stipe and Pres. Boren are bitter enemies; your buddy Gene won't be there.
Raymond, Ada - Dec 31, 2007 at 4:46 pm
To Margaret: Just off the Cobb, actually. Somewhere west of Kenefic. The old moderate wing of the Democratic Party died with Scoop Jackson. Bill Clinton and Al Gore fooled the electorate into thinking there were still some around, but we know better now. It sounds like an assemblage of the same old Council on Foreign Relations bunch that will drive the Free Republic website citizenry into a lather. I would relish a Third Party, but I don’t think it will come from big government/nanny statists like Boren, Bloomberg, and Hart. At least, I pray that it doesn’t.
JoJo, Cobb, OK - Dec 31, 2007 at 3:09 pm
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Bloomberg a radical? I'll have some of what you're smoking.
B, Oklahoma City - Dec 31, 2007 at 1:57 pm
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Looks like a veritable think tank to me. Get Gary Hart together to swap stories with Bill Clinton and I'll be there yesterday.
John, Stigler - Dec 31, 2007 at 12:19 pm
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Billy, you left out a energy policy that will keep energy costs from bankrupting the American people. I wonder why billionaire George Soros from MOVEON.org wasn't invited while he is inviting radical left wing socialist constructionist? Money, money money!!
Rob, you are right on, Boren has an agenda.
ED, MULESHOE - Dec 31, 2007 at 12:17 pm
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I also wonder if Gene Stipe was invited to this meeting of the minds?
Billy, Paris - Dec 31, 2007 at 11:55 am
Any candidate, and I repeat Any candidate regardless of party (Democrat/Republican) with a good sound plan on "exit stragagy" from Iraq, "Shoring up Social Securty", "health care" and "getting the US Dollar" to where it has been in the past would easy win the Presidental Election....Heck any candidate with just one of the above plans could win, at least I think so..
Billy, Paris - Dec 31, 2007 at 11:39 am
Dare we ask who is paying for all of this?
Jerry, Moore - Dec 31, 2007 at 11:02 am
Mr. Boren has his agenda and a lot of time on his hands. If he wants to be a national figure he should have run for president in his natural political home -as a Democrat. Looking back, he would have possibly been a strong candidate as a Dem.

His agenda: Put a Democrat at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in 2008. A 3rd Party run by Bloomberg - Boren would possibly do that.
Rob, Richardson - Dec 31, 2007 at 10:52 am
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Perhaps President Boren could use the taxpayers money to operate the university and leave politics to others.
Doug, Oklahoma City - Dec 31, 2007 at 10:26 am
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I posted my response to this on my blog "The Green Flame" at greenlynn.blogspot.com/. Bascially, this find this whole affair rather "passive/agressive".
Lynn, Oklahoma City - Dec 31, 2007 at 9:47 am
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I feel even in the primary we don't have much choice for president. I am not interested in who can have the most crosses in their ads, or who can be the most shrill in their criticism of the current administration. I think Boren and Nunn have a good idea.
Margaret, Holdenville - Dec 31, 2007 at 8:22 am

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