I knew very few people who witnessed the Spring Game this year that didn't feel Robinson was much better than Reid. I guess that's why Robinson's squad won the contest and Reid's squad lost. Reid got every opportunity alright... no matter how many losses it cost us.

Ok Richard I will bite. Your POINT's are all about Gundy and what HE did or didn't do to screw up the OSU program for three years (your comment not mine). Can you not see that your points are not about BR and that a responsible press shoud have been taking their frustrations out on Gundy instead of BR? Isn't that what the rant was about? Maybe you have never seen a player that demonstrates upside potential (above his peers) in practice, but in game conditions does not play at the same level. I think the OSU coaches saw the upside and gave every opportunity for it to become a game-time reality. Unfortunately, it just never did. Changing mid-season was not the best way to make a change, but I think putting Zac in turned our season around and bodes well for the next two years. I would also point out that if you watch much football, you have surely noticed MANY different schools (and coaching staff's) who have changed players during a season. There are plenty of examples at OSU from the past several years. I refuse to believe that our coaching staff cannot determine the best players. I also believe that they will make even tough decisions in order to put the best players on the field. Sorry you feel that my supporting our coaches is hurting our team somehow. You will forgive me if I chose to stay with the coaches we have. I have to admit that I struggle to understand how you think your comments show support for our program.

it's probably best if bobby leaves now. this will give him and his mom time to work on his next career. considering how much she's helped him in the past, maybe he should check with mcdonalds or sonic.

Jack, I think it is you Gundy Goon's that are hurting OSU football. Why don't you go find another school to root for so we can shorten this Gundy fiasco.

Jack, you keep missing the point. You and your ilk search high and low to find things to take offense to when it comes to the press. The POINT was that Gundy AGAIN made a QB change mid-stream after the season had started. The POINT was Gundy failed to explain his decision. The POINT was the press understandably speculated just like most OSU fans did... the change didn't go without notice. I'm tickled you feel bolstered by "post-rant polls" but "post-rant polls" weren't responisible for the failed Reid experiment ("the future") that cost three seasons worth of practice and game repititions.

You keep missing the point Richard. Of course its ok for the press to speculate when coaches don't air the dirty laundry, but Jenni crossed the line of decency with the personal attack. Gundy and may of us OSU fans took offense to it, as did BR (remember he has not spoken to the press since?).

Jenni and too many of her press bretheren think that they are above reproach for THEIR actions because of their press credential. Gundy didn't buy into that and I don't either. Looking at the results of all the post-rant polls, I think the vast majority thought similarly. If you don't, AGAIN, that's your right. Any chance you might consider just not supporting OSU football while Gundy is our coach and let this thing go?

"Coaches do not have to tell the press all the dirty details about why a change was made. When they choose not to, its because they don' want to publicly run a guy down." That's right, Jack, they don't have to. But when they don't go into detail about a controvesial decision it's fair game for the press to speculate.

That's what I thought!

Come on, Jack! Specificially, just which of the assertions that Jenni made about Reid do you truly believe to be false?

Dick - Coaches do not have to tell the press all the dirty details about why a change was made. When they choose not to, its because they don' want to publicly run a guy down. If you watched any OSU games, it was pretty clear why the change was made - because Zac did a better job of running our offense. Obviously you don't like Gundy and that is you choice. But defending Jenni's article and the continued inclusion of the rant in so many DOK articles since (even when it does not fit in with the subject matter) is BS.

Did Bobby threaten to leave if he didn't start? Bobby's is in fact leaving because he doesn't start! Was Bobby injury prone? Shoulder, toes, ankle, wrist, and on and on and on! Why did the coaches finally replace Reid with Robinson? They never really said did they? That's because Gundy deflected all scrutiny about his QB blunders by attacking girl while declaring himself a "man". The ONLY assertion by Carlson that I'm not sure of is whether or not Bobby's mom hand fed him chicken on the sideline.

One more time....The reason for the rant was that the Jenni article was an over-the-top nasty personal attack on Bobby. Remember the whole he's a momma's boy (eating something she gave him instead of what the team was having and that she fed it to him)? That was a CLEARLY just a BS way for Jenni and the DOK to get back at Gundy for not telling them what they wanted to hear about what was going on with the QB change. It was over the top, it was a personal attack and it was directed at BR instead of at Gundy, like it should have been. Of course Bobby turns out was upset at the time (and may still be) that he had lost his starting position - wouldn't any normal person be upset? But Jenni's article was NOT about that. It was about attacking a kid (or young man if you prefer)to get even with Gundy. Today's article and some of your comments clearly indicate that many need to go to the archives to re-read the original Jenni column. It was an over-the-top attack on Bobby. Gundy, in his rant, was saying to take the shots at him because he has responsibility for the football program, not Bobby Reid. Why do some of you still not get this?

I am bummed that Bobby did not end up with the kind of OSU experience that he wanted. I was very impressed that he continued to suit up, practice and was willing to play if called upon - for the rest of the season after the change was made. Many would not have done so. The fact of the matter is is that our coaching staff made a change to Zac because he did a better job of running our offense. Guys getting beat out and transfering or moving on happens all the time. Its part of the game. I am sorry that it happened to BR, but I appreciate all he did for OSU. I hope things work out for him and that someday he will look back on his time at OSU (and the education he got) in a positive light.

As for some of your comments,lets be honest - you either just don't like Gundy or you are looking for reasons to bash OSU because that's how you get your jollies.

Richard you make some great points. The reason Reid was started over Woods in the first place is because Gundy sold his soul in recruiting Reid. Reid was the highest ranked QB to ever attend OSU and it looks like Gundy made a promise to him that he would start.

Gundy's rant? There's little doubt it my mind that his rant had more to do with deflecting scrutiny away from his lame and costly decisions at QB rather than trying to protect little Bobby from that big mean Jenni. At the time of his rant, the big question was why in the world did Reid start ahead of Robinson? Why did he start ahead of him last year? Why did he replace Woods for Reid in the first place? It was a colossal blunder that basically wasted 3 seasons as we bumbled and stumbled around with the failed Reid experiment. It was bad coaching, it didn't put the best QB on the field. Gundy's Goons attack Carlson for writting what turned out to be true as if Jenni were a "man" picking on a kid and yet didn't have any problem with their "man" viciously mauling a girl with his rant.

I think Bobby should try out fo the NFL, but one thing bothers me. Where does it say in this report that Gundy did not talk to Bobby for months. What i see is that he did not talk to Bobby about the situation. I think people should read and listen to to the news.

Humm, Bill, Tahlequah you must have the same sources as that Jenny girl. How is it you know that "he did not speak to Bobby for months"? Please state your sources. and Yes I'm defending the MAN that will lead OSU Football into a glorious future.

I'm, glad Bobby is moving on. I'm very pleased he did nor sulk and continued to work and get his degree. I'm glad he did not criticize his coaches or OSU. I think he showed a lot of class. Too bad Gundy does not have the same class. How wonderful that he did not speak to Bobby for months. Great coaching, don't you think? Gundy shousld be required to take classes on how to deal with people. Bobby's gone. Here's hoping Gundy will also be gone.

It is what it is and its nobody's business but Bobby's! Good luck to you sir in whatever you decide to do in life. Thanks for giving OSU football a much needed spark. Your play against Kansas and Nebraska in 2006 is something I will always remember.

Gundy's rant was defensive in nature and for a good reason. Reid was in the dog house and OSU coaches had a feeling even back then that Reid would be leaving. To this day Gundy claims to have not spoken to Reid about this, but has already reserved Reid's scholarship for someone else. Hmm...so you have not talked to Reid about leaving and Carlson is lying, but yet you go ahead and give away his scholarship?? Something here doesn't add up. Looks to me like Carlson was right on and Gundy is trying to play dumb so he can save face. A real man would either start telling the truth or he would apologize. After hearing about his classless father it is clear that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I'm amazed! International terrorist, a third world war against Islamic terrorists, a presidential election and 50 people posting thousands of words about Bobby Reid leaving OSU? Oh well...

In so many words Gundy said this about Reid, he's respectful to the media , public and he did everything right. Well the guy just got his degree from Oklahoma State University. Sounds like he was doing something right and now he wants to go after other dreams. Looks like Gundy was right even though he did say it in an over the top way. As an OSU fan I am proud of Reid and Gundy. Good luck Bobby.

Gundy gets egg on his face again. After verbally assaulting Jenny in his press conference, it turns out Jenny was right all along about ol' Bobby.

Ok look here's the deal! You see the West Virginia QB? That's what OSU envisioned when they recruited Bobby Reid. But look! You see how skinny and quick that West Virginia QB was? He was a marginal passer at best. Bobby is 6'4! He's a big target back there! He is fast, but he's not quick! He may be faster than Zac but he's not as quick as Zac! Zac has quick feet and a quick pass release, albeit it may get him in some trouble if big tall defensive linemen start getting their hands up on pass rushes. I've been to the games with Bobby and give him some open field he can run; but he's a poor scrambler. He takes a lot of sacks looking for open receivers and he tosses the ball too far up into the stands when he's out of the pocket. He doesn't throw well on the run. OSU's offensive lines run block well but they've never ever pass blocked well. Probably has a lot to do with the fact they've never really been a drop back passing type team except with Rusty Hilger and Josh Fields. Oh and how could I forget Gundy! But Gundy had some moves in the pocket, he could scramble and throw on the run. Josh was slow and didn't move well but he was smart and had a cannon of an arm. Rusty had a good arm but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door with one of his passes. I've been watching Bobby from the very beginning and I'm just not seeing the triple option threat that people say he was recruited to be! But look at the darts he threw to Bowman in stride against Kansas two years ago! Only an NFL quality QB can make those type of throws! Not Josh Heupel nor Jason White can throw like that and that's why they're not in the NFL! Gus Ferotte on the other hand had a tremendous NFL arm even though he played for TU. One wonders how such talent evades the big schools calling. I suppose there are just so many pro type offenses in college and only so many can play at the bigger schools. I still scratch my head how someone like Paul Smith who wanted to come to OSU was not given a scholarship. Sometimes Oklahoma's own backyard talent goes unnoticed, Kansas recruits heavily in Oklahoma. I guess the grass is always greener on the south side of the Red River. Yes Bobby threw a few fits and was frustrated from time to time. He was a talent who really wasn't very coachable. Wanted to do things his way and not the coaches or the teams way. We see this all the time in athletics. It still gave Jenni Carlson no right to try to break the young man! Jenni's got to learn to be thick skinned if she wants to spar with Gundy's players! That's all that was about. You kind of wish at times he had taken her aside and admonished her instead of such a public outcry but his method was certainly affective in getting the attention of everyone in that it created public embarrassment for Jenni Carlson and the Daily OUklahoman. I've even witnessed Berry Tramel going after OU a little more just to keep the balance of power amongst in state rivals. Like I said before, this is a great opportunity for Bobby Reid and Chris Collins to hike down I-35 to UCO. The new coach there would be ecstatic to have that tandem and they might even make some noise in his first year of coaching. There have been a number of players drafted into the NFL from UCO. I don't know, just a thought. Hate to see the state lose two fine athletes when opportunity is knocking.

This entire story is unfortunate, from the quarterback controversy, to Gundy's handling of it, to the rant, to the way the Oklahoman has since dealt with it. No one comes out smelling like a rose. I say good for Reid--he graduated, with a real degree & not "University" or "General Studies." He has an education degree. Hopefully, if his playing dreams don't come true, he'll go on to do something even better in teaching kids. I can't wait until this whole episode is finally over with. Unfortunately, the whole story will probably never come out. It's a fascinating saga, and I won't be a bit surprised if it becomes a case study in journalism schools throughout the nation. Probably not at the Gaylord School of Journalism in Norman, though. Pity.

Well, Doug, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I found nothing redeeming in Gundy's rant. I have not seen Trammell's column today, so I will withhold judgment until I have. I think a lot of OU fans have some thin skin these days - I fully admit I do. Boomer Sooner.

I'm an OU fan AND Alumnus. Like I said before, neither of those require me to hate OSU. Gundy's rant was childish, but he was on point. Have you read the DO? Did you see Trammell call Stoops "Big Lame Stoops" today? Gundy was right on point about these writers. Just because I don't hate everything, don't doubt for a sec my OU loyalty. I send my money there. I hold my season tickets. How many of the rest of you "fans" can say that?

I say if Bobby wants to give it a shot at a smaller school, why not? It will only cost him one semester and a few months of work to find out. Not that big a deal when you're only 22 years old. He would probably regret it the rest of his life if he didn't at least give it a try. There have been several QBs that have come from smaller schools and made it in the NFL. Who's to say he wouldn't flourish in a different system? Just because he has the physical abilities to be a dual-threat QB doesn't mean he is one. Maybe he would do better as a pocket passer. The running part always seemed to be where he had a problem. There are still way more pocket passers than dual-threat QBs in the NFL.

Doug from Caliville, it may be "just an opinion," but it is a silly one. Gundy's rant was juvenile and absurd. If you're an OU fan, I'm a fire hydrant.

Hmmm...ok. I'm waiting for the Jokelahoman's RANT on how STOOPS is wrong to keep Granger. I WANT TO SEE IT!!!

One last thing about Jenni. Don't you think it's funny how she's resorted to bashing OSU with video? As far as I can tell, the website doesn't allow comments posted to that...coincidence?

To those bashing the Oklahoman here, please note that it's an AP article.

I agree that it's tough to see someone as talented as Bobby Reid relegated to the bench. I do feel, however, that Gundy and OSU made the appropriate switch to Robinson.

I don't like Jenni Carlson or her famous article, but it's curious that Reid never joined the team in some other capacity. For instance, Robinson was on the field last year with Reid and appeared happy to contribute in that fashion. Donovan Woods made a couple of transitions after he was displaced by Reid: QB to safety, and safety to linebacker. Although Ricky Price wasn't a QB, he seemed to switch to defense without much issue either.

My point is that Reid probably could have contributed to the team in some other fashion. I think it's telling that he didn't. We may never know the whole story, but the answer is probably somewhere between what Gundy said and what Carlson insinuated.

So he has graduated. Can we now give Spano a scholarship?

Hey Mary, Zac is 6'3" or 6'4". Not tall enough??????

To Mary in Oklahoma, so Zac at 6'3" is not tall enough to be an NFL QB and Bobby at 6'3" is. Hmmm. And the O-line that kept a top ranked sack defense (Indiana) from laying a finger on Zac is by your definition the same "woefully inadequate" bunch Bobby had to deal with. I ain't buyin it. And Zac with no arm strength, now you're just killin us with that. Show up for an OSU practice once and you might stop repeating this nonsense. Zac has shown steady improvement game after game. His bowl game was nothing short of impressive. Your absolute assertions "will never make an NFL roster" are beneath you Mary.

OU grad and fan here. Those two things don't require me to hate OSU. Awesome rant by Gundy earlier in the year. He was right on the money. This paper and it's sports writers are garbage. Makes me wanna puke! Having said that, starting Zac was the best move ever for OSU. Like other fans, I wish Bobby luck, but from what I've seen on the field, he's completely deluded about his ability to consider the NFL. Just an opinion.

Can we get Carlson to leave as well?

It's amazing that this paper refuses to write a quality story without ultimately diminishing it by including inflammatory, biased comments in the body. Quality writing has been replaced with the same lame propaganda boasted by more popular trash on the newsstand. I've grown tired of reading how angelic your reporters are and how demonizing everyone is who decides to confront this terrible excuse of quality journalism. It's time to retain some modicum of respect by setting yourselves apart from the majority of fame-seeking, incendiary sportswriters who dream of ESPN status and prove to your loyal readers and subscribers you can write an article worth reading.

Good luck to Reid. He deserves to pursue his options in life. It has to be tough to go from "can't miss prospect" to 2nd team quarterback. However, it has been proven that Robinson deserved the right to be the starter. Gundy has had a bunch of missteps as a head coach. At least he has not taken this opportunity to throw Reid under the bus. My guess is that Gundy could list a slew of reasons that Reid was demoted. He chose not to publicly embarrass the kid. He left that task to Carlson. In her frustration in not having Gundy quotes on Reid's shortfalls, she chose to report insensitive speculation instead. Can we expect an update with a bashing of Bobby for allowing his mother to now speak on his behalf. While Gundy's rant was way off base, Carlson's mean-spirited writing was uncalled for.

Apply for early entry to the NFL? Seriously? How about applying for an 8 to 5 job where he can sell cars or insurance or something?

Bobby was recruited as a dual threat QB, not a pro-style QB. He was an elite 11 QB because of his arm and his legs. He was the next Vince Young and last time I checked it was his legs that made Vince special. I wish Bobby the best and love what he brought to OSU, but I don't understand how people see the current OSU offense as non-complimentary to Bobby's game.

I'd like to see what Reid can do in another type of offense. It's too bad the NCAA removed the rule that a player who graduated with a year of eligibility remaining could transfer without penalty. He shouldn't have to go down to a I-AA school.

He did Graduate. I am sure when he lost his position to Zac he was disaponted.Maybe he is just like most people who finish school he just wants to get a job and move on with his life

A Pro QB???? did anyone else see all the passes that were thrown in the dirt????

I am not a native Oklanoman but have lived her for 25 Yrs. I have been amazed att he rivery that the Oklahoman and channel 9 manage to keep going. Both OU and OSU are state schools and should be treated equally. Your constant snide remarks about Gundy and his "Rant", as you call it, are not necessary. All Of the men in your sports deparment jumped to the defense of their litte pre-madona. She opened her mouth and Mike Gundy was man enough to know she was out of line. More coaches need to take on you bunch if self made experts. If you are so good why arn't you coaching?

A few typos...sorry. Eric not Reic and smart not smarter......

Oh I don't know Bobby might make a better pro prospect QB than a college QB. Believe me! He has the arm strength. Most of Bobby's problems at OSU stemmed from the fact that the coaches wanted him to run a triple option offense and Bobby was a straight drop back pass with woefully inadequate pass blocking. Eventually someone comes along and figures out a defensive scheme to get to the best of QB's with superior offensive lines; case in point West Virginia getting to OU's Bradford. It wouldn't surprise me the least bit to see Bobby make an NFL roster! Zac Robinson on the other hand, as spectacular a college QB as he is, will never make an NFL roster as a QB. No arm strength and his pass release is too low. Not tall enough either.

Reic, Jared......Reid leaving school a year early has nothing to do with Carlson being right. Carlson questioned Reid's toughness and personally attacked him. Reid is taking an initiative to fulfill a goal and he is smarter enough to understand that watching Zac play for another year is not a step in the right direction for him.

Looks like Carlson was right on. Reid is gone and Gundy hasn't even bothered to talk to him about it. Doubt we ever hear the much needed apology to Carlson from Gundy, which is sad since he is supposedly "a man".

Bob from Signal Hill....Your have many words of wisdom, like when you said that "KU has no shot at winning against VT"..I am sure Bobby Reid is going to fine, just not at "Stoolwater"...

Hmmm... Looks like Carlson was right...

The irony of college football. This is why these kids should finish college and move on to better things. Adults trying to live their dreams through college football players is a shame. There is more to life than being a jock and college football. At least Reid managed to finish college and get a degree.

Reid is a terrific athlete, but not a qb. He did okay in HS simply because of his athletic skills. He didn't develop into a college level qb, for whatever reason. He could STILL make an NFL roster as a safety, however. It's not at all uncommon for athletic qb's to play defense in the pros. It's a long shot, though. Most likely he'll wind up on a coaching staff somewhere. Good luck Bobby, we hardly knew ye!!

Pi - Thanks for the chuckle! :)

Good luck to you Bobby. We hope the best for you.

It is time for Bobby to move on if his mamma says so.

Oh and today's date is not Saturday January 5th. Maybe we should work on learning how to properly report dates and times before moving on to reporting news. You have to crawl before you can walk......

I love how this story actually broke last night, but this joke of a news source wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, they had to go get an AP write-up. Oh wait, I know, why...the chosen one's had a pretty big game this week, huh? Still recovering from that I guess. Good luck Bobby...

Life is a series of hard knocks. I do not know why Bobby Reid would want to stay another year at OSU. There is not chance he will return at starting quarterback, he has gotten his degree, it time for Bobby Reid to look at life after OSU.

No. He won't even be close. I like the the Oklahoman makes sure everybody knows how bad a guy Gundy is.

Does anyone think Reid can make an NFL roster? He is half of what Fields is as a QB and I'm not sure Fields in an NFL QB.