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Immigration law facing a new test
Immigration law facing a new test

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Published: February 2, 2008

Several business groups filed a lawsuit on Friday against Oklahoma's stringent immigration enforcement law.

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The lawsuit, which claims the Oklahoma law undermines federal immigration law and imposes unreasonable burdens on state businesses, was filed in federal court in Oklahoma City.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The State Chamber, the Oklahoma City and Tulsa chambers of commerce, and the Oklahoma restaurant and hotel and lodging associations filed the lawsuit.

"Piecemeal efforts to regulate the employment of unauthorized workers are unconstitutional and pre-empted by federal law,” Robin Conrad, executive vice president of the National Chamber Litigation Center, which represents the U.S. Chamber, said in a statement.

"Oklahoma's immigration law is one of several — including the ordinance struck down in Hazleton, Pa. — that we have challenged,” he said. "The Constitution plainly prohibits state and local governments from undermining well-established federal law regulating the employment of immigrants in the United States.”

Defending the law
The Oklahoma attorney general's office will defend the constitutionality of the law, a spokesman said Friday.

The law's author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, derided attempts to strike it down.

"It's a repetitive attempt by the pro-illegal immigrant lobby and their allies to defeat House Bill 1804,” Terrill said. "The moral dilemma for big business is that they're basically supporting modern day slavery.”

In the past, state attorneys have argued that the Oklahoma immigration statute does not create new law but simply reiterates existing law and gives law enforcement agencies a means to enforce it.

‘Not the answer'
HB 1804, which has been called the toughest immigration statute in the nation, requires employers doing business within the state to verify the eligibility status of all new workers.

By the summer, it will require businesses to verify the work authorization status of any individual independent contractors, and it also contains a provision allowing terminated employees to bring discrimination suits against their employers if they can show that an undocumented worker replaced them.

Last July, a similar lawsuit in Hazelton, Pa., forced that community to retract its immigration statute.

"What is happening across the country in states like Oklahoma and Arizona shows that piecemeal immigration laws are not the answer, and that Congress needs to enact comprehensive federal immigration reform,” Conrad added.

The lawsuit filed late Friday afternoon requested that an injunction be entered in the case, temporarily suspending enforcement of parts of the law.

One of the lawsuit's arguments is that the basic pilot program, through which employers are required to verify eligibility, does not really confirm a workers' eligibility. Instead, it simply notifies the employer and the federal government that the worker's name and Social Security numbers do not match.

Critics of this proposal, which is known on the national front as the "no match strategy,” have argued there are reasons other than someone's immigration status that might trigger a nonmatching Social Security number.

"Each of the plaintiffs have members' businesses. ... These provisions could lead to debarment from state contracts, obligatory withholding of taxes from contractors or tax penalties and liability for having unknowingly employed an unauthorized worker,” the lawsuit reads.

Protecting jobs
The State Chamber has been contemplating filing suit since shortly after the law went into effect Nov.1, said Mike Seney, chamber spokesman.

"Our board was informed that we were looking at this, and we have the support of our board,” Seney said. "I think it was just getting all of our ducks in a row and making sure where we were.

"You get a lawsuit with this many parties involved, everybody's gotta make sure they are properly communicated with before moving forward. It takes a while,” Seney said of the gap in time between the law taking effect and the chamber taking action.

"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. "To accomplish our mission we must protect Oklahoma's business community from state laws and regulations, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the world.”

The organizations claim the lawsuit focuses on provisions of HB 1804, which impose unreasonable burdens on Oklahoma businesses and puts them at a disadvantage compared to competitors in other states.

They say HB 1804 puts businesses in the impossible position of having to comply with conflicting federal and state laws.

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"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. "To accomplish our mission we must protect Oklahoma's business community from state laws and regulations, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the WORLD.” So I guess these Chamber of Commerce groups are also against requiring a minimum wage, a 40 hr work week (with overtime pay for anything over that), paid vacations, holiday pay, child labor laws, paying any sort of benefits (insurance, retirement plans etc).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 10, 2008 at 3:47 am
I'm 100% for 1804. I think it's a great law. I think there should be a boycot of all members of the chambers of commerce. After saying that, I believe that if we were to fix the economy and make America more prosperous, we would actually need to import many more workers from other countries. RonPaul2008.com
Anton, OKC - Feb 4, 2008 at 9:35 am
I'm 100% for 1804. I think it's a great law. I think there should be a boycot of all members of the chambers of commerce. After saying that, I believe that if we were to fix the economy and make America more prosperous, we would actually need to import many more workers from other countries. RonPaul2008.com
Anton, OKC - Feb 4, 2008 at 9:10 am
Exactly Bert....right on. Sue is an idiot. She calls the immigrants hispanis immigrates and the Democrats Demorates....Yeah, this is someone I want voting for our future president. Wow, this country is in sooo much trouble
K, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm
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If we give amnesty to illegals we are showing our bias.Because if we do give amnesty to illegals we must give amnesty to all law breakers, Murderers, Kidnapers, Child molesters. thieves of all kind and any other law breaker. We cannot just give it to only one set of crooks
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 3, 2008 at 7:38 pm
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Jeeze Louise...I'm watching an online schizophrenic meltdown in progress...
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 7:22 pm
H.B. 1804 which is now LAW is an excellent addition to the laws of the State of Oklahoma and may I add, it was long overdue...it will with stand any attempt to eliminate or amend it..contary to many postings on this issue, it was not written with the aid of any hate groups, but withing the confines of the House and the Senate of the State of Oklahoma with representatives, senators, and administrative assistance contributing. Outside agencies where consulted only to verify it would meet the test of law.
JH, deep red creek - Feb 3, 2008 at 6:53 pm
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Yep Sue, exactly. You've made my point for me. As I stated earlier, slavery is alive and well. These same groups that exist, advocate for slavery. So, 1804 fights against inequality and levels to playing field for all in a uniform system. What the advocates and big business want is to repeal the level playing field to ensure their way of business (SLAVERY). Why would big business fight so hard to have illegal workers? You're kidding yourself if they don't want to line their pockets off of the sweat of illegal labor. Why does big business ship jobs to China? So, they can employ children and use sweat shop labor. So, go ahead advocates - fight for slavery just like the hate groups want. Fight for big business and corporate greed. Remember, fly your confederate flags high now. Maybe some of the advocates here are part of the hate groups...hmm
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 3, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Add another silly pseudonym to this savant's repertoire: sue from seminole. See how pathetic this individual is, folks? In any event, todd from Norman that lie you're regurgitating about hate groups helping Terrill write 1804 is no more true than the first time you posted that falsehood. But it has been proven that there is little limit to the lies you will tell, and repeat.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Well sorry people but I have to respond to Sue the Moron. I can't speak for anyone else on here but myself,but I personally don't care how many KKK members there are in Oklahoma. If what you say is true I suspect it will be the first time the KKK was ever responsible for doing something productive. As for the Democrat thing NO I do not believe in the Government tit so I guess you could say that I have nothing in common with them. BTW I don't care what country you are from leave if you're not legal. Hispanics are just the majority here in Oklahoma.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:17 pm
To the real Jason thanks for the heads up . I guess some people have nothing better to do than show their IGNORANCE !!!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:10 pm
If you don't think the KKK are in Oklahoma, type in hate groups, it will show you all the ones in Oklahoma plus other states. Also the group that helped Randy Terrill write this bill are a hate group. There I go again telling the truth on this posting. If you listened to the last debate you would understand a little more about immigration. Also, all the people that are for this bill think the only illegal immigrates in Oklahoma are hispanis. The hispanics are not the ones that flew the airplanes into the twin towers. On the debate the other night they discussed in length the immigration problem, but I bet almost everyone writing here are not for either of the demorates.









sue, seminole - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:09 pm
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To Jimmy from Sandy shores: the Real Jason from Edmond here. The one that posted at 8:53 am was nocona from Santa Fe, aka todd from Norman, aka haskell from randlett, aka mary from oklahoma city, aka about a dozen other silly pseudonyms. He/She/It truly is a pitiful specimen.______Janice from Muskogee: thanks for recognizing the situation for what it was, and letting everyone posting here know. I truly appreciate it._____To todd from Norman: Have you quit using ugly racial slurs in your various guises on these forums yet? And, further, I sure would be interested in seeing you post a few lines in those "other languages" you earlier claimed to be fluent in. But, of course, we all know you are barely fluent in English, let alone any other language. Truly a pitiful, pathetic character.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 1:34 pm
So if you are American born and apply for a job, you are subjected to a background check...BUT there is no way to check an applicants immigration or legal/illegal status. That sounds discriminatory to me. How can they check my background and not make sure some one is LEGAL?????
K, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 1:19 pm
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I just did a random sampling of 15 State Representatives (www.okhouse.gov/Members/MemberListing.aspx). 4 are in the legal profession, 4 are in business, 3 are retired from education, 2 are in farming, 1 is in ministry, and 1 is retired. Five of the fifteen are members of the Chamber of Commerce, one of which is Rep. Randy Terrill (legal profession), a member of the Moore and Norman C of C.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Todd...that is a good idea. Folks could contact their local businesses (phone call, letter) and urge them to cancel or not renew their membership. Afterall, it isn't exactly a business license.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:51 am
Here's another thought: Perhaps public pressure could be brought to bear to urge member businesses who are abiding by the law to withdraw their membership from their local chambers in protest. I know that here in Stillwater, there are Chamber members who are very unhappy with this lawsuit...

Todd, Ponca City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:46 am
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Todd...a few others have suggested the same. I tried to get a list of the C of C Member Directory, but was unsuccessful. We can all do our part, but I just can't see folks organizing and/or supporting a general boycott. Why? Because we are creatures of habits, and we are a "I want it NOW" society. Example...Mc Donald's every morning. I don't mean to keep harping on Mc Donald's, but they are a very good example (in Oklahoma City) in this debate. It would take a good chunk of money to get the public involved in a boycott. But hey, we did it in Boston.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:40 am
Jimmy...I skip the gravy. That should help.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:22 am
I think we should organize a BOYCOTT of all businesses who are members of the Oklahoma City, Tulsa, or United States Chambers of Commerce. They are trying to influence state (and Federal) Laws to benefit their member businesses that relay on ILLEGALS to keep their profits higher... perhaps a boycott will wake these people up?
Todd, Ponca City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:19 am
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Good I dea Dennis!! Enjoy watch the hdl & the ldl though.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:19 am
Man, I miss my Mc Donald's Sausage Biscuits! For as long as I can remember, I have always gone to Micky D's the first Saturday of each month and bought a bag full of sausage biscuits to enjoy on the weekends. When I get home I usually have two and freeze the rest to eat on the rest of the weekends during the month. Not any more. Yesterday, I went to Crest and bought some good ole Jimmy Dean Sausage, and some Buttermilk Country Biscuits. Why? Because I am going to do my part to support HB 1804 by not spending any more of my American Currency at Santiago's Mc Donald's drive-thru restaurants.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:16 am
The real JASON from EDMOND did not, I repeat, DID NOT post any comment on this site. All comments, excluding MAYBE 4 or 5 comments were ALL posted by the same sick person. Sorry you imposter, you do not have the intelligence to express yourself as the REAL JASON from Edmond expresses himself.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:04 am
Here's an interesting little tidbit... "It is illegal for non-profit and religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. (Case Law)." The Chamber of Commerce IS a non-profit organization. See Federation for American Immigration Reform.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 9:34 am
To the Jason that posted At 8:53 a.m. You well may have a life but instead of traveling you really ought to bone up on the English language. Randy is a dandy. I am pretty sure you're wrong about those thirty arrest ,better check again.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 9:29 am
On Saturday, Border Patrol Agent Luis Aguilar was killed while trying to stop two vehicles fleeing back over the border to Mexico from the United States. One of the vehicles, a Hummer driven by suspected smuggler Jesus Navarro Montes, ran over Agent Aguilar as he was placing spike strips in an attempt to puncture the tires on the suspects' vehicles. Border Patrol agents had earlier spotted the two vehicles near the Imperial Sand Dunes in California and were in hot pursuit when he was killed. (Los Angeles Times, January 20, 2008)
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 9:25 am
no gayson, ive been traveling. i have a life. 1804 is still not the answer. i think oklahoma has made less than 30 arrests so far, while more than 1000 illegals have arrived in my state. illegals 970...oklahoma 1. if you think this bill of any that terrill gets passed is the answer, then im sorry. its not about educating your sorry souls. i can say that their were several other options that would have worked, and several more pressing issues that needed to be addressed. randy has failed us at every level.
Randy, Moore - Feb 3, 2008 at 8:53 am
I would like everyone to reread the comment made by Richard Rush-"protect jobs of OKLAHOMA CITIZENS, to accomplish this we must protect the Ok. business community FROM STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the world." Am I reading that right?? Question: If they are illegal and working it means no SS card-no taxes are being paid which means the businesses don't pay in on them either? If this is the case then the businesses are breaking the law on that too. Our jobs are going away and the only increase in the job market are fast food or restraurants, no real great, pay the bills jobs. These illegals are NOT citizens of America anywhere and don't fall under Constitional Rights. Why is it so hard for some to understand that if you come here, give up the other country and become citizens here? You see people that have been here for more than a yr or so and they still are not citizens-its cuz they don't want to have to abide by our laws, get all the freebies, and go back 'home' when they want to. What a life! They don't have the backbone to fight for their rights in their own country-go where it is free to live. Tired of hearing the construction businesses complaining about not finding people to work-think maybe some better read what the working generation is now. And it has been put into their heads of going computers or hi-tech not the hard working class-which it was predicted that this would happen. I won't hire a business that has illegals even if it does cost a little more. Also talked to one business and since they don't hire the 'outsiders' their business picked up. Imagine that!
velma, tuttle - Feb 3, 2008 at 5:34 am
Rule of thumb....if it doesn't make sense, there's a buck in it. If it defies common sense....some criminal is profiting...aka business owners that want next to slave labor...and the coyotes smuggling in that slave labor. Put an end to human trafficking now! Imprison the employers!
Carol, Tuttle - Feb 3, 2008 at 2:11 am
the rat bastages filing the suit just want amnesty for breaking the law/hiring illegals. Prosecute the employers to the fullest extent, it's the only way to end illegal immigration.
Carol, Tuttle - Feb 3, 2008 at 2:08 am
nocona, aka todd, aka haskell, aka mary, aka numerous other silly forum names, I'm still waiting on that demonstration of your fluency in "several other languages." How about it? Nice to see you've refrained from using any further ugly racial slurs, though. For now.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 1:30 am
"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. "To accomplish our mission we must protect Oklahoma's business community from state laws and regulations, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the WORLD.” So I guess these Chamber of Commerce groups are also against requiring a minimum wage, a 40 hr work week (with overtime pay for anything over that), paid vacations, holiday pay, child labor laws, paying any sort of benefits (insurance, retirement plans etc).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 12:35 am
Candace wrote: "He had done nothing wrong" FALSE. If he was deported, he broke some law to get himself deported. If you are an illegal alien the penalty (if caught) is deportation. If you are caught a second time it is a felony. It has been against Federal law to hire an illegal for some time now. The argument that we can't round up and deport 12 million people doesn't wash because we don't have to do that. A saddle maker here in Oklahoma had his shop raided. Of the 51 people that were caught, 49 had deported themselves within 3 days. They came to this country voluntarily (and knew they were breaking the law when they did it), they can and will leave voluntarily as well. We have to stop enabling them (with jobs, free health care, granting anchor babies citizenship, etc, etc.) Sen. Kennedy stood on the Senate floor and promised that the 1986 amnesty would NEVER happen again. He promised that the laws would be enforced. Didn't happen in the past 20 years and he was at it again, being a major player in the attempt to grant amnesty again last year (so was Se. McCain). Businesses were given a slap on the wrist (if anything). Businesses that hire illegals should have significant financial penalties levied against them ($50,000 per illegal), jail time for their CEOs or pulling their business license. If our laws had been enforced, we wouldn't have an additional 12 million illegals in the country (the slate was wiped clean with the last amnesty).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Nocona wrote: 'Dennis you Native American statement is not true." So then please explain where the "natives" happened to be here? They had to have come from someplace didn't they? Please explain.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Even the "Native Americans" were immigrants
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Jimmy, I'm not sure. When I first dealt with this absurd creature he/she/it was posting under "todd from Norman." It may have originated as "mary," and simply switches back every now and again. But whatever the case, the dude/woman has some major mental issues, and is a perpetual liar to boot. Really messed up.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Jason is Mary not really the person making this post???
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Another nocoan, todd, haskell, pseudonym cataloged: mary from OKC. What a sick soul this ignorant little savant is.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:18 pm
nocona, you don't know what you're talking about, as usual. The American Indians overwhelmed and swept out an even older migration of humans when they first began migrating here via Siberia. This first group dates to almost 30,000 years ago, and is largely thought to have come from somewhere other than Asia. Historical and Anthropological scholarship is simply not your forte.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm
nocona from Santa Fe, aka todd from Norman, aka haskell from randlett, aka about a dozen other silly pseudonyms, have you apologized for your use of racial slurs on this forum yet? And when are you going to demonstrate your fluency in those many other "languages" you brag about being able to speak? What a joke.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm
The idea that we can import endless million of semi-literate,backward, Mexican peasants is absurd.The Chamber only sees a giant pool of cheap labor-regardless of the problems these aliens bring.The Chamber uses the courts to try and circumvent the will of the people.Mexicans=slave labor. Mexicans=lower wages for legal work force.
charles, tulsa - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Yep Mary, it goes further back than that. Romans had slaves to build their great society, Egyptians had slaves to build their great society, Europeans had slaves all around the world to serve their society, the confederate south had slaves so plantation owners could line their pockets with profit, and the trend just keeps on going. You have to wonder why big business is so interested in the weak, the uneducated, the poor, and those that are here illegally to fulfill their business interests? You have to wonder why jobs are shipped overseas (mainly China) so big business can line their pockets with profit? Like I said earlier, if people want to be slaves, then let them. If illegal advocates want slavery to come back, then let it be. I thought we have moved on from slavery in our society, but I guess not. Now, raise your confederate flag and fly it high. Maybe we should dump our 50 star flag and use the confederate flag. It's probably a better symbol of what's going on than the 50 star flag.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Let's face it people, we have been "sold down the river" by all of our leaders, which includes local, state and federal governments. This country is like a snowball in HEL*.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:07 pm
FERNANDO... Crap no, I do not go around munching on grapes in the grocery store before I pay for them, you idiot. What kind of a stupid ignorant question is that anyway? Good Lord, you ignorant fool.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:01 pm
FERNANDO... Crap no, I do not go around munching on grapes in the grocery store before I pay for them, you idiot. What kind of a stupid ignorant question is that anyway? Good Lord, you ignorant fool.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:01 pm
D, I think that is a great question for Fernando. I would love to have the answer to that one myself. I smell a rat!!! Great question. Mary you have a great point as well.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm
The problem started when "Americans" were too lazy to do the hard work, like go to the store or lay out their own clothes, so they started to look to the "colored people" to do it, then when the "colored people" protested and became "equal" they looked for whoever else could do those jobs. It's simple, get your lazy "Citizen" behinds out there and work...Problem solved..
mary, oklahoma city - Feb 2, 2008 at 7:44 pm
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Someone needs to explain the Reagan amnesty program to me. As I understand the illegal's had to prove they live and work in this county for 5 years. It was signed into law in 1987. So how does someone brought to this county in 1986 at the age of 5 get amnesty?
d, moore - Feb 2, 2008 at 7:42 pm
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Brad , All we basically have to do is find out the names of any company in on this lawsuit asnd boycott them
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 6:46 pm
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Brad , All we basically have to do is find out the names of any company in on this lawsuit asnd boycott them
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 6:45 pm
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Interesting that the chamber of commerce is saying they are protecting jobs by wanting to give them to illegals. They are only trying to protect the businesses that hire the illegals at a ridiculous wage, therefore increasing their profits. I think it is great that when I go out to eat now, I see our own teenagers actualy working instead of someone that cannot even speak English. I am so proud of Oklahoma for standing firm on this issue. I hope we start asking for legal fees for all of these ridiculous lawsuits being filed against our great law. I know first hand that 'free' hospital visits are way down and so is crime. I have news for everyone, THAT is a very good thing. Hire legal Americans of any nationality and everything is better!
Brad, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 6:40 pm
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Rep. Terrill, I know that HB 1804 is your baby and like any parent you take exception when someone speaks in a negative way about it, but you are only stirring the pot more when you use terms like "modern day" slavery. H.B. 1804 will endure any and all the microscopes it is placed under. Every time it is placed in the furnace to be changed, it will become like good tempered steel. While this is happening, the rest of us need to remember we are still a country of laws with the right to protest those laws we feel are unjust.
JH, deep red creek - Feb 2, 2008 at 6:05 pm
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Dennis, not sure of that one.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm
charles...gotta wonder how many State Legislators are also members of the C of C ?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I think the problem started with out sourcing our jobs to other countries with cheap labor... We should buy products only made in America, also, our ports should not be for sale to the wealthiest shieks.
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Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I went to the OKC Chamber website...can't seem to get a list of the 4,000 members (Member Directory) unless you are a member...dang.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 3:52 pm
The Chamber goal is to import as much cheap labor as they can and drive down wages for legal workers.These sick prostitutes will do anything for a buck.The Chamber elitist fat cats are happy importing slave labor to our state with all its attendant problems.1804 is supported by most Oklahomans and over 90% of the legislature voted for it.The Chamber is disgusting.
charles, tulsa - Feb 2, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Exactly Bert. That's the mentality of the Bleeding Hearts. God help us. Ooops, I mentioned God.
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:28 pm
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It seems like we would rather spend trillions of dollars over in other countries than spend it on our roads and bridges and educating our own children here in America. Whats up with that?
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Hey Guys. Lets give all the illegals amnesty. And while we are at it since law means nothing to some people lets give amnesty to others. Such as Murderers, Bank robbers Dope dealers, Kidnappers. Why play favorites?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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Texas, Dennis
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:15 pm
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P.S. My guess is that you would have sold out Jesus Christ too if it made you look good.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Candace, Were you not just on another comment section bitching about how bad the southside of Oklahoma City looks?? Might be because it looks as bad as a border town & not because of poverty but because of a lack of being proud & appreciative of the country you live in. David, I am pretty damned sure I am in the majority not the minority, that would be you-- the bleeding heart that would sell out your own state to call yourself Christian!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Okay KT, you can play...
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Oooh, Oooh, I do Dennis. LOL I know the answer
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 2:04 pm
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J.T....a lil off subject here, but do you know which State "never" rejoined the Union after the Civil War, and to this date still has not rejoined the Union?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Confederate flags for sale. I guess the North didn't win the Civil War, it's going on. The South shall prevail and once again we'll have slavery. Plantation owners unite! Long live the South and the Confederacy.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Well Dennis, I have to give you credit...you understood that...I didn't. Sorry
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:37 pm
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Nocona, you may have a point but I really can't tell because I can't make heads or heels of your post. What on earth are you talking about??
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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nocona...Truth be known, none of us alive today have a clue just how it happened (began), meaning civilization, migration, etc. All we have are theories, books, the internet, and such. If we only had an eye-witness account? I sure would like to be around when we start colonizing the planets. As human beings we have been terrible at getting along with one another. Lord help us!
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Pilgrims = illegal
nocona, santa fe - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Oh J.T., you don't know the half of it. I conducted an interview last week for a position I had open and a lady showed up with her 16 year old son....to act as an interpreter. I showed them the door. Incredible.
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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KT just like it was run over by illegals the first time by numers and arms. Starting in 1492. maybe the true Americans should have let those illigals starve. Shoot to kill and ask questions later. Funny how history repeats itself. They probablly have more of a historical right to be here, more than European people. They are North American natives. Just a point.
nocona, santa fe - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:18 pm
KT..I believe the answer lies in the fact that the "illegals" have a lot to lose. And of course, those that employ the illegals have alot to lose as well. Those of us "sitting behind our computer monitors" just might be depending on the "law" to take its course, and are hoping that our State Legislators fulfill their obligation to us, the Voters.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I can see it now - No experience necessary, slaves needed. Below minimum wages, no benefits. Only illegals need apply!
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Dennis with each new find it pushes the dates further back from the 10,000 year theory. They have been here all along. Natives have some unique biology about them that says they have been seperated for a very long time. Longer than 10,000 years would do. I do belive the orgins of man and not quite sure if it all comes from Africa but I do know that based on Mayan and Aztec calendars, they are on 26,000 year cycles. That says to me that they had to have a few trial and error cycles in there. And it also mentions that the 5 world (cycle)is upon us in 2012. So that's at least 104,000 to 130,000. Cool. l
nocona, santa fe - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Bert, you are exactly right...tens of thousands protested for the illegals why aren't there tens of thousands of us all over this country protesting instead of sitting behind our computer monitors? The illegals have said they will take this country over...not with arms but in numbers. Sadly, it is happening but I am proud Oklahoma is taking a stand against them. People like Candace and David want to sell this country out.
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:09 pm
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I am from Oklahoma, where I was born and raised, my father who was Chickasaw was a descendant of Levi Colbert. I remember, when I was a little girl that my Dad helped a man who had been deported back to his country, and all of his family was left behind in Oklahoma, his wife and all of his five children. It took them a long time to get him back. He had done nothing wrong, he was a good man who worked hard for his money to feed his family. He had the cutest children and his wife could barely speak English. We can't afford to gather all thousand of the illegal aliens and send them back and we can't build prisons to house them and feed them, be real! It doesnt take a Scientist to realize that we need to learn to get along, educate their children to speak our language.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Just be glad it is not being handled "old west" style.
Then there would be a bounty. Shoot first check status
second.
brett, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm
David, it is because of traitors like you that our country is in this mess!! Furthermore, if the "Hilda Beast" gets elected she won't have to deport me....I'll leave!!
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm
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Candace,the problem is you,Sticking your Un-Solicited opinion into the Oklahoma"s business.If you care so much,arrange for all these illegal FLEAS to live in your neighborhood in Lakeland,pay them a Resonable wage and stay in your garage.I'd be satisfied with that.
Jerry L., Guthrie - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Jerry...That might not be a bad idea, "stop eating out." Only problem is, that would mean folks would have to start cooking meals for their families again, and Lord knows todays family just doesn't want to spend the time peeling potatoes and carrots. That's so "agraian." Hmmmmm, maybe that's the answer...back to basics?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:57 pm
David, a minority? If we were a minority the amnesty bill would have passed. No we a large majority. But we are too silent in the streets.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm
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I don't believe we should go knocking on doors, saying "you got an illegal alien in there"? But I know that Tyson, and companies like Tyson hire illegal at unreasonable rates and they live in terrible conditions and it is not right...
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Here's an idea.Stop doing business with the ones bring the law suit!Stop eating out!Stop donating to and supporting the U.S.,State&Local"chamber of commerce's".Stop doing business with any business using Illegal's. Laws are not necessary with this kind of efforts by LEGAL CITIZENS!
Jerry L., Guthrie - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:44 pm
nocona...then exactly where did the "first" inhabitants of this land come from, according to your historical references? And I ask this with all due respect (not being arguementative).
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:44 pm
KT, when the "Hillary Beast" gets elected she will have you deported. To Jimmy, when are you are going to get that rally together, all ten of you. Has it ever dawned on you that while tens of thousands turn out to protest against anti-immigration laws and only crwods of a few hundred come out for the other side that maybe your view is a minority view held by only a few that write in these blogs.
David, Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Dennis you Native American statement is not true. Yes, there are some people that came across the staright that's obvious. The Bering Straioght theory is made up so whites can lay claim that they have an equal right to be here since we are all immigrantas at one point. BS from your history books.
nocona, santa fe - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Candace...there is a way already in place. Check the Immigration and Naturalization Service website. Here is a good starting place, www.usimmigrationsupport.org/illegal_immigration.html. Being from Florida, I am sure you know better than I do that Florida has a similar problem as Oklahoma...but in Florida they are called "Cuban refugees."
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The way to stop this mess,permanently shut down any business that refuses to abide by the new law,period.
charles - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Candace from Lakeland? Florida, I presume. Well, we all know what What the heck do any of you care about what someone from Florida says?? The only place worse is Mexifornia.
K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:27 pm
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You know, I'm tired of talking about this. If illegals want to be slaves, then let them. What's the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water..." - Anyway, if people want to a permanent underclass, be slaves, and be "in the shadows", then I say let them. I don't want to hear any crying or complaining that they can't afford basic needs when they get paid slave wages. So, go ahead and bring back slavery and fly those confederate flags high. Remember, no crying or complaining.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:27 pm
any memebers of this lawsuit filed against the state,should be totally ashamed of theirselves
James, Myrtle Beach - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:27 pm
All people who came here from other countries came to America for a better life for their families. I think there should be a way that people who are here should be given a plan to become a citizen that is not detrimental to their well-being, however, the borders should be monitored. People are people and they deserve to be treated with humanity and compassion. Perhaps, illegals would come out of the shadows if they were given a consistent plan to become a citizen. I know that most of them send money back home to their families and perhaps if that money were taxed for an immigration fee we could support the monitoring of our borders.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Candace...I am not an "immigrant." My parents were not "immigrants." My grandparents were not "immigrants." My great-grandparents were not immigrants. My great-great-grandparents were not "immigrants." But, according to my family records, my great-great-great-grandparents did arrive in the "Colonies" in the 1700's. But I am NOT an "immigrant." And for the record, even the "Native Americans" traversed the land masses to settle in what we now call the North American Continent.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Candace the only thing thing you didn't bother to say is LEGAL or ILLEGAL....the point is that we do NOT want ILLEGAL people in our state!
Sooner Born, Sooner Country - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm
KKK in Oklahoma? Come on now! The KKK, for the most part is non-existent. Besides, what does that have to do with 1804? Come on Fernando, you can do better than that, si?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Every person here, except for the Native Americans who were already here, are immigrants. Hillary Clintons ancestors were immigrants, John McCains ancestors were immigrants, Randy Terrills ancestors were immigrants, who let them in?
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Fernando, I have lived here for several years and I have never ran into any KKK members or seen any KKK actions . So again you are trying to manufacture an argurement that does not stand up to facts. And I am starting to agree with Jimmy. I am also starting to wonder if you are legal or not.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm
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Fernando, you are fighting a losing battle & I might add that you must be fighting it because you are not legal, If you were you would have nothing to fight over. My guess is that you are using the Reagan amnesty as your argument for being legal. I read somewhere that Reagan only signed this amnesty into effect for three hundred thousand & it turned out to be three million. I know he is the king of the Republican party but I personally think he should have been impeached for signing it. Jess of Norman your post is dead on & perfectly put.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:55 am
Bert I am not calling you a racist. Only that the area were you live there is a high number of KKK members in your area. Mmm, and yes the KKK is racist, who hate all immigrants both legal and illegal
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:40 am
Fernando, Your arguements are hollow. And when you started calling me and others racists it just meant you had no valid arguement so you had to resort to name calling. I want all illegals deported. I want anyone knowingly hiring an illegal charged with a crime and jailed.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:21 am
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"The Constitution plainly prohibits state and local governments from undermining well-established federal law regulating the employment of immigrants in the United States.” The controlling federal law’s usage of “immigrants” is in the context of legal immigrants. HB1804 does not regulate the employment of immigrants, but addresses people in this state who are here illegally and those that would aid and abet them, ie., employers who would ignore US Labor laws.
citizen, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:20 am
For what ever reason my father came here, made dad was a great man, great American Citizen, he broke never broke any other than comming here illegally the first time in 1970. I am sure you have broke a law before. Have you ever eaten a grape w/out paying for it, have you every downloaded a song illegally, every been stopped for speeding. I am sure are also a law breaker for what ever law you broke.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:16 am
And there it is. Our so-called business leaders and government protecting the cheap slave labor at the expense of Oklahoma Citizens. Let's make a bed in a hotel, sell a hamburger for five cents less and put a roof on less expensively so our so-called business leaders can save a buck. Meanwhile, let's pay millions more in taxes to fund these illegals healthcare, food stamps, housing subsidies and law enforcement's efforts to tackle illegal aliens law breaking activities. Face it Oklahoma and America; business has made it clear that Oklahoma, America, our security and welfare are for sell to the highest bidder. They don't care about us. They try to sell it to us in a package called lower prices. Remember all the griping and outrage we showed when all these companies moved to other countries to produce goods? Remember all the jobs Americans lost and continue to lose because of that? What's the difference in allowing those illegal aliens into our country to take our jobs for less money here? Now we are losing jobs to other countries and losing jobs here at home due to our so-called business leaders attempts to strike down this law. Wake up people; the enemy is our business leaders and the government they corrupt with their payoffs. Have fun living on food stamps while we become as poor a society as those from which these illegals come.
Jess, Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:10 am
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If ICE was smart, they would examine the plantiffs in the lawsuit. Then they would have a good idea which businesses are hiring illegal aliens. As for the State Chamber of Commerce, their argument should have been made before the law was passed. Now that it has passed, as a state entity, it is their responsibility to support it no matter what individual employees personal opionion may be.
Randy, Norman - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:03 am
Fernando, Enid 8:39 post: An old saying that is applicable with our government is, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.”
citizen, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 11:00 am
Tom You are exactly correct. Again I say we need to boycott any agency or company that does not accept this law
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:58 am
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Fernando. It sounds as if your moving from Okmulgee was a gain for Okmulgee. Now about me. I liverd and or worked in 7 countries in south america so I know how these countries operate. I could not work or live there without a visa or illegally. They would not permit it. I surte could not band together with other americasns and protest there as I waved the US Flag. So are you saying that your father was the original law breaker?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:56 am
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"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. The key words are, “Oklahoma citizens” Mr. Rush.
citizen, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:53 am
Also Okmulgee County is were I have found the must racist people (from the KKK) in the state. How do I know this? I live in Okmulgee for 3 years.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:50 am
My father brought me here in 1986 whenever I was 5. Also I can not speak for other immigrants but it is none of your business why we came here. We are no longer illegal and enjoy this beutifull country. By the way Bert, from my own experiances the Henryetta and okmulgee is the most "law-biding" cracks addicts in the state are you one of them? I am sure you never broke a law in your life and got away.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:48 am
Jimmy, I agree. If the Mexicans can protest in the streets as they wave their flag we can do the same.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:44 am
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It's going to take every Oklahoman that stands behind this HB to step up to the plate & voice our opinions in the masses .The hispanics did this in California & waved the Mexican flag in our faces & I am pretty sure this pisses a few off ,so if you want to really make a statement then it's time for us to plan our rally & our outrage to get this stupidity stopped & these illegals sent home to their native country. It wont happen by posting our comments on this forum. BTW I wonder if we could have devona Walker shipped somewhere as well ? Maybe a mental institution. How unreasonable is it to ask an employer to follow the law????? Oklahoma law as well as federal law!!!!!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:38 am
Pawpaw. fernando admited he came here illegally so he broke the law. Now 1804 is the law of Oklahoma and people like Fernando do not want to obey this law. So who is the law breaker. So you need to pay attention to your words.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:36 am
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Fernando, If there is nothing wrong with your birth country why did you come here illegally and stay?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:33 am
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Bert their is nothing wrong with my birth country. I was raised here since a very young age feel and say this is my county.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:29 am
Fernbando, Why do you not go back to your birth country? Why do you not try to fix your birth country ? We should try to find in court that the Reagan amnesty bill was and is illegal and =get it overturned.
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Thought you liked obeying the law. As a matter of fact, the law is the most important thing in this question. Nothing wrong with being an immigrant, just not abiding by the law! Amnesty is the law. Obey it. Hypocrisy is so unbecoming a true American like yourself. Nahhh.
Percy F., Ardmore - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:26 am
Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.
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Do it here, in this country, put me on the jury, you go down. You like obeying the law? That's the law.
Percy F., Ardmore - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:23 am
Fernbando, Why do you not go back to your birth country? Why do you not try to fix your birth country ? We should try to find in court that the Reagan amnesty bill was and is illegal and =get it overturned.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 10:20 am
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Bert, please be quite. I have a birth country and my home country. that "home country" is the United States not America. I will not leave ever.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:52 am
Oh please. The only thing the fed's are doing is preempting the merging of the North American Union. The facts are all over the place. That's why they don't want to FIX the problem and even yanked funding for a border fence. So alas the state and local governments must take matters into their own hands. Yes overturning Reagan's amnesty would be great but so many bleeding hearts crying out how it will destroy families without taking into consideration how our schools and hospitals are being financially destroyed.
Richard, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:44 am
perhaps it would be worthwhile for us to get together and file a law suit against the Reagan amnesty bill and get it over turned
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:39 am
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Fernando, Why did you not stay in your homne country and fix the problems there instead of coming here and causing us more problems. Ronald Reagans acts just proved that amnesty does not work. And to E. I hope they maker 1804 stronger and i thank Terrill for standing up for the citizens of this state
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:19 am
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Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.
Anonymous, The Internet - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:15 am
Randy Terrill is trying to make a big career out of being cruel. I hope they overturn his malevolent law & oust all his pathetic supporters, including Charles Key.
Southern Rebel, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 9:07 am
Congress has no intention of fixing the illegal immigrant problem. California should be called "Northern Mexico". California has serious budget problems--even before the downturn in real estate. Oklahoma, you better defend the law you passed. Utah is considering a similar law. Hopefully, other states will follow. Romney said it best; "WASHINGTON IS BROKEN"!
Keith, California - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:58 am
You can't just go around and every twenty years give amnesty to the next set of illegals. Then in comes the next set just waiting for the next amnesty program. As a legal citizen looks like you would want to stop the flood of illegals into your county. Illegal workers DO drive down wages and place a burden on state and local governments that are having a hard time keep up now. There is no dought,they will work for less. They are also taken advantage of by others in their communities and businesses because of their illegal status.
d, moore - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:58 am
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Everyone please please listen to me. Why is amnesty so evil to even consider it? One point in my life I was a illegal and thanks to Reagan I am no longer one. My late father, mother, and brother (who has served in Iraq now stationed at Mountain Home AFB) were also granted legal status because of Mr. Reagan. I support an Amnesty program.
Fernando, Enid - Feb 2, 2008 at 8:39 am
Blah Blah Blah....Come on Devona...lets talk about the other side of the coin. However, it really doesn't matter....when the Hilda Beast gets elected, HB 1804 and any other means to this travisty will be benign...amnesty will be granted so what are we arguing about?

K, Edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 6:12 am
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So Robin Conrad, et al, believe we should wait on Congress to act? They have remained silent on this, what recourse do we have? What is unreasonable about verifying the citizenship of current or potential employees? What in the world am I missing here??
Dan, edmond - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:35 am
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"They say HB 1804 puts businesses in the impossible position of having to comply with conflicting federal and state laws." Hmmmm which ones are conflicting? From what I read, HB 1804 compliments Federal law.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:07 am
"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. Then why are they opposing HB 1804 which PROTECTS legal Oklahomans?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:03 am
"The Constitution plainly prohibits state and local governments from undermining well-established federal law regulating the employment of immigrants in the United States.” How does HB 1804 undermine federal law? It does the opposite
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 2, 2008 at 4:02 am

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