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Immigration law facing a new test
Immigration law facing a new test

By Devona Walker    Comments Comment on this article134
Published: February 2, 2008

Several business groups filed a lawsuit on Friday against Oklahoma's stringent immigration enforcement law.

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The lawsuit, which claims the Oklahoma law undermines federal immigration law and imposes unreasonable burdens on state businesses, was filed in federal court in Oklahoma City.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The State Chamber, the Oklahoma City and Tulsa chambers of commerce, and the Oklahoma restaurant and hotel and lodging associations filed the lawsuit.

"Piecemeal efforts to regulate the employment of unauthorized workers are unconstitutional and pre-empted by federal law,” Robin Conrad, executive vice president of the National Chamber Litigation Center, which represents the U.S. Chamber, said in a statement.

"Oklahoma's immigration law is one of several — including the ordinance struck down in Hazleton, Pa. — that we have challenged,” he said. "The Constitution plainly prohibits state and local governments from undermining well-established federal law regulating the employment of immigrants in the United States.”

Defending the law
The Oklahoma attorney general's office will defend the constitutionality of the law, a spokesman said Friday.

The law's author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, derided attempts to strike it down.

"It's a repetitive attempt by the pro-illegal immigrant lobby and their allies to defeat House Bill 1804,” Terrill said. "The moral dilemma for big business is that they're basically supporting modern day slavery.”

In the past, state attorneys have argued that the Oklahoma immigration statute does not create new law but simply reiterates existing law and gives law enforcement agencies a means to enforce it.

‘Not the answer'
HB 1804, which has been called the toughest immigration statute in the nation, requires employers doing business within the state to verify the eligibility status of all new workers.

By the summer, it will require businesses to verify the work authorization status of any individual independent contractors, and it also contains a provision allowing terminated employees to bring discrimination suits against their employers if they can show that an undocumented worker replaced them.

Last July, a similar lawsuit in Hazelton, Pa., forced that community to retract its immigration statute.

"What is happening across the country in states like Oklahoma and Arizona shows that piecemeal immigration laws are not the answer, and that Congress needs to enact comprehensive federal immigration reform,” Conrad added.

The lawsuit filed late Friday afternoon requested that an injunction be entered in the case, temporarily suspending enforcement of parts of the law.

One of the lawsuit's arguments is that the basic pilot program, through which employers are required to verify eligibility, does not really confirm a workers' eligibility. Instead, it simply notifies the employer and the federal government that the worker's name and Social Security numbers do not match.

Critics of this proposal, which is known on the national front as the "no match strategy,” have argued there are reasons other than someone's immigration status that might trigger a nonmatching Social Security number.

"Each of the plaintiffs have members' businesses. ... These provisions could lead to debarment from state contracts, obligatory withholding of taxes from contractors or tax penalties and liability for having unknowingly employed an unauthorized worker,” the lawsuit reads.

Protecting jobs
The State Chamber has been contemplating filing suit since shortly after the law went into effect Nov.1, said Mike Seney, chamber spokesman.

"Our board was informed that we were looking at this, and we have the support of our board,” Seney said. "I think it was just getting all of our ducks in a row and making sure where we were.

"You get a lawsuit with this many parties involved, everybody's gotta make sure they are properly communicated with before moving forward. It takes a while,” Seney said of the gap in time between the law taking effect and the chamber taking action.

"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. "To accomplish our mission we must protect Oklahoma's business community from state laws and regulations, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the world.”

The organizations claim the lawsuit focuses on provisions of HB 1804, which impose unreasonable burdens on Oklahoma businesses and puts them at a disadvantage compared to competitors in other states.

They say HB 1804 puts businesses in the impossible position of having to comply with conflicting federal and state laws.

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"The State Chamber's mission is to protect the jobs of Oklahoma citizens,” said Richard P. Rush, president and CEO of The State Chamber. "To accomplish our mission we must protect Oklahoma's business community from state laws and regulations, which make them less competitive than those in other states and around the WORLD.” So I guess these Chamber of Commerce groups are also against requiring a minimum wage, a 40 hr work week (with overtime pay for anything over that), paid vacations, holiday pay, child labor laws, paying any sort of benefits (insurance, retirement plans etc).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 10, 2008 at 3:47 am
I'm 100% for 1804. I think it's a great law. I think there should be a boycot of all members of the chambers of commerce. After saying that, I believe that if we were to fix the economy and make America more prosperous, we would actually need to import many more workers from other countries. RonPaul2008.com
Anton, OKC - Feb 4, 2008 at 9:35 am
I'm 100% for 1804. I think it's a great law. I think there should be a boycot of all members of the chambers of commerce. After saying that, I believe that if we were to fix the economy and make America more prosperous, we would actually need to import many more workers from other countries. RonPaul2008.com
Anton, OKC - Feb 4, 2008 at 9:10 am
Exactly Bert....right on. Sue is an idiot. She calls the immigrants hispanis immigrates and the Democrats Demorates....Yeah, this is someone I want voting for our future president. Wow, this country is in sooo much trouble
K, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm
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If we give amnesty to illegals we are showing our bias.Because if we do give amnesty to illegals we must give amnesty to all law breakers, Murderers, Kidnapers, Child molesters. thieves of all kind and any other law breaker. We cannot just give it to only one set of crooks
BERT, HENRYETTA - Feb 3, 2008 at 7:38 pm
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Jeeze Louise...I'm watching an online schizophrenic meltdown in progress...
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 7:22 pm
H.B. 1804 which is now LAW is an excellent addition to the laws of the State of Oklahoma and may I add, it was long overdue...it will with stand any attempt to eliminate or amend it..contary to many postings on this issue, it was not written with the aid of any hate groups, but withing the confines of the House and the Senate of the State of Oklahoma with representatives, senators, and administrative assistance contributing. Outside agencies where consulted only to verify it would meet the test of law.
JH, deep red creek - Feb 3, 2008 at 6:53 pm
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Yep Sue, exactly. You've made my point for me. As I stated earlier, slavery is alive and well. These same groups that exist, advocate for slavery. So, 1804 fights against inequality and levels to playing field for all in a uniform system. What the advocates and big business want is to repeal the level playing field to ensure their way of business (SLAVERY). Why would big business fight so hard to have illegal workers? You're kidding yourself if they don't want to line their pockets off of the sweat of illegal labor. Why does big business ship jobs to China? So, they can employ children and use sweat shop labor. So, go ahead advocates - fight for slavery just like the hate groups want. Fight for big business and corporate greed. Remember, fly your confederate flags high now. Maybe some of the advocates here are part of the hate groups...hmm
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 3, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Add another silly pseudonym to this savant's repertoire: sue from seminole. See how pathetic this individual is, folks? In any event, todd from Norman that lie you're regurgitating about hate groups helping Terrill write 1804 is no more true than the first time you posted that falsehood. But it has been proven that there is little limit to the lies you will tell, and repeat.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Well sorry people but I have to respond to Sue the Moron. I can't speak for anyone else on here but myself,but I personally don't care how many KKK members there are in Oklahoma. If what you say is true I suspect it will be the first time the KKK was ever responsible for doing something productive. As for the Democrat thing NO I do not believe in the Government tit so I guess you could say that I have nothing in common with them. BTW I don't care what country you are from leave if you're not legal. Hispanics are just the majority here in Oklahoma.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:17 pm
To the real Jason thanks for the heads up . I guess some people have nothing better to do than show their IGNORANCE !!!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:10 pm
If you don't think the KKK are in Oklahoma, type in hate groups, it will show you all the ones in Oklahoma plus other states. Also the group that helped Randy Terrill write this bill are a hate group. There I go again telling the truth on this posting. If you listened to the last debate you would understand a little more about immigration. Also, all the people that are for this bill think the only illegal immigrates in Oklahoma are hispanis. The hispanics are not the ones that flew the airplanes into the twin towers. On the debate the other night they discussed in length the immigration problem, but I bet almost everyone writing here are not for either of the demorates.









sue, seminole - Feb 3, 2008 at 4:09 pm
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To Jimmy from Sandy shores: the Real Jason from Edmond here. The one that posted at 8:53 am was nocona from Santa Fe, aka todd from Norman, aka haskell from randlett, aka mary from oklahoma city, aka about a dozen other silly pseudonyms. He/She/It truly is a pitiful specimen.______Janice from Muskogee: thanks for recognizing the situation for what it was, and letting everyone posting here know. I truly appreciate it._____To todd from Norman: Have you quit using ugly racial slurs in your various guises on these forums yet? And, further, I sure would be interested in seeing you post a few lines in those "other languages" you earlier claimed to be fluent in. But, of course, we all know you are barely fluent in English, let alone any other language. Truly a pitiful, pathetic character.
Jason, Edmond - Feb 3, 2008 at 1:34 pm
So if you are American born and apply for a job, you are subjected to a background check...BUT there is no way to check an applicants immigration or legal/illegal status. That sounds discriminatory to me. How can they check my background and not make sure some one is LEGAL?????
K, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 1:19 pm
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I just did a random sampling of 15 State Representatives (www.okhouse.gov/Members/MemberListing.aspx). 4 are in the legal profession, 4 are in business, 3 are retired from education, 2 are in farming, 1 is in ministry, and 1 is retired. Five of the fifteen are members of the Chamber of Commerce, one of which is Rep. Randy Terrill (legal profession), a member of the Moore and Norman C of C.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Todd...that is a good idea. Folks could contact their local businesses (phone call, letter) and urge them to cancel or not renew their membership. Afterall, it isn't exactly a business license.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:51 am
Here's another thought: Perhaps public pressure could be brought to bear to urge member businesses who are abiding by the law to withdraw their membership from their local chambers in protest. I know that here in Stillwater, there are Chamber members who are very unhappy with this lawsuit...

Todd, Ponca City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:46 am
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Todd...a few others have suggested the same. I tried to get a list of the C of C Member Directory, but was unsuccessful. We can all do our part, but I just can't see folks organizing and/or supporting a general boycott. Why? Because we are creatures of habits, and we are a "I want it NOW" society. Example...Mc Donald's every morning. I don't mean to keep harping on Mc Donald's, but they are a very good example (in Oklahoma City) in this debate. It would take a good chunk of money to get the public involved in a boycott. But hey, we did it in Boston.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:40 am
Jimmy...I skip the gravy. That should help.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:22 am
I think we should organize a BOYCOTT of all businesses who are members of the Oklahoma City, Tulsa, or United States Chambers of Commerce. They are trying to influence state (and Federal) Laws to benefit their member businesses that relay on ILLEGALS to keep their profits higher... perhaps a boycott will wake these people up?
Todd, Ponca City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:19 am
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Good I dea Dennis!! Enjoy watch the hdl & the ldl though.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:19 am
Man, I miss my Mc Donald's Sausage Biscuits! For as long as I can remember, I have always gone to Micky D's the first Saturday of each month and bought a bag full of sausage biscuits to enjoy on the weekends. When I get home I usually have two and freeze the rest to eat on the rest of the weekends during the month. Not any more. Yesterday, I went to Crest and bought some good ole Jimmy Dean Sausage, and some Buttermilk Country Biscuits. Why? Because I am going to do my part to support HB 1804 by not spending any more of my American Currency at Santiago's Mc Donald's drive-thru restaurants.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:16 am
The real JASON from EDMOND did not, I repeat, DID NOT post any comment on this site. All comments, excluding MAYBE 4 or 5 comments were ALL posted by the same sick person. Sorry you imposter, you do not have the intelligence to express yourself as the REAL JASON from Edmond expresses himself.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 10:04 am
Here's an interesting little tidbit... "It is illegal for non-profit and religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. (Case Law)." The Chamber of Commerce IS a non-profit organization. See Federation for American Immigration Reform.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 3, 2008 at 9:34 am
To the Jason that posted At 8:53 a.m. You well may have a life but instead of traveling you really ought to bone up on the English language. Randy is a dandy. I am pretty sure you're wrong about those thirty arrest ,better check again.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Feb 3, 2008 at 9:29 am

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