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Does immigration law unfairly affect students?
Does immigration law unfairly affect state students?

By Susan Simpson    Comments Comment on this article52
Published: February 20, 2008

STILLWATEROklahoma's immigration law unfairly punishes some of the state's greatest assets: young people with the ability and desire to gain a college education, a University of Houston law professor said Tuesday.

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The law that went into effect Nov. 1 makes it harder for illegal immigrants to qualify for in-state college tuition and bars them from state scholarships.

Michael Olivas said that is unfair because it targets the children of parents who brought them here illegally. Some teens do not know they are illegal until they are asked for proof of residency when they apply to college.

"You can't simply punish the kids in hopes that their parents will go home,” Olivas said during his Kamm Lecture address at Oklahoma State University. "These children are here simply because their parents brought them here.”

What have colleges done?
The state Regents for Higher Education changed some policies in October to bring them into compliance with the new law.

Undocumented students who have lived in Oklahoma for at least two years and have graduated from high school remain eligible for in-state tuition if they have applied with the federal government to legalize their status or pledge to do so as soon as they are eligible.

But illegal immigrants no longer qualify for state scholarships such as Oklahoma's Promise and the Oklahoma Tuition Assistance Grant, unless they had already applied and were covered under a grandfather clause.

In the 2006-07 school year, 244 undocumented students attended Oklahoma colleges, mostly at Oklahoma City Community College and Tulsa Community College. While they cost the state $112,000 in tuition waivers and state aid, they contributed $238,785 in tuition and fees.

What students said
Olivas said the stricter standards to college access are "mean-spirited,” because giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition does not take away that right for other Oklahomans.

But one international student at the lecture complained he has to pay out-of-state tuition although he's been in the United States legally for several years.

Brenda Morales, OSU's Hispanic student coordinator, said students are unclear about the new rules. Morales said many don't know they can still go to college by paying out-of-state tuition, but that is probably too expensive for most families.

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We are seeing everyday people under fire for the color of their skin and the inflection of their speech. I wish I could say this was an Okie problem but it's an American problem.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Mar 21, 2008 at 2:34 am
Basically what is happening is that Pro illegal supporters are trying the "confused" game. "oh no! I was born in Oklahoma and do not have illegal parents but I'm Hispanic. I better leave Oklahoma or I will get deported."

Come on Ms. Simpson. Anyone that still cannot understand the law is either trying to cause controversy or is just plain retarded. There is plenty or available information about the law and who it affects. Illegal Aliens have no business being enrolled at OSU and why would any legal student be frantic about the law?
Kent, Glendale - Feb 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm
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LOL Susan Simpson. Waaah Waah. Here we go again with another daily desperation article by the Liberals in the press. It's now becoming funny.
Kent, Glendale - Feb 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm
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I would have to say no, because illegal aliens are not "state" students.. Just because their parent snuck them in does not change that fact.
Rufus, spencer - Feb 22, 2008 at 11:51 am
As a college grad who paid my own way as I went by working. I know it can be hard. But I cant sympathize with children of criminals who do know they are here illegally (how could they not?) who also have a hard time earning a degree. Personally I don't understand why any state charges more for 'out of state' tuition. But for illegals to come here and expect to be treated better than citizens it ridiculous.
Anton, OKC - Feb 21, 2008 at 8:24 am
Right Larry,
it means you can't give in-state tuition to a illegal alien unless you give it to anyone else which includes legal immigrants or someone from other states.
Dave, Blue Rapids - Feb 21, 2008 at 7:41 am
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How can an illegal get in-state tuition? Our brainiacs in the Oklahoma Legislature made it the law a year or two before HB 1804. The author of the bill said he was mislead as to what it would do. Excuse me, you are the author of the bill, doesn't that imply you wrote it? How can you mislead yourself into writing something you didn't mean????
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 at 5:09 am
Dave, I think the the fed law you quoted makes it SOUND like its illegal for an illegal to get in-state tuition, but if I am reading it correctly, they can get it as long as citizens and legal immigrants can get it too?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 at 5:05 am
Another story you never here of: AP - More than 1,500 immigrants tramp
across the Tohono O'odham reservation every day, making it one of the
busiest illegal entry points in the country. So far this year, 27,130
people have been arrested in this remote desert. Federal agents have
seized a staggering 179,300 pounds of narcotics since October.

The
sheer volume of criminal activity and law-enforcement response has
made some Indians feel as if they are living in a combat zone.

High-
speed chases are so frequent that residents rely on police scanners to
know when it's safe to go outside. Burglaries are so common that
people leave homes unlocked to save doors and windows. Overhead, Black
Hawk helicopters hunt drug runners while camouflaged agents prowl the
bush.

"Our people fear for their lives," said Vivian Juan-Saunders,
tribal chairwoman.

The reservation, roughly the size of Connecticut,
shares a 75-mile border with Mexico. The most formidable obstacles are
three or four strands of rusty barbed wire.

"The Tohono O'odham
Nation sits in the busiest corridor of illegal immigration in the
nation," said Andy Adame, Border Patrol spokesman. "They are getting
run over. The option is to let it go crazy or bring in the manpower to
get it under control."

The Department of Homeland Security this
month announced a $10 million plan to help secure Arizona's porous
borders, now the main gateway to the United States for illegal
immigrants and smugglers.

The money will pay for hundreds of new
agents, aerial surveillance drones and additional detention space. The
reservation will get an additional 60 Border Patrol officers.

Many
of the 11,000 residents here live in trailers or ramshackle adobe
houses surrounded by the twisted saguaros and fragrant mesquite of the
Sonoran Desert.




As more illegal immigrants cross, they are
increasingly fearful of letting their children play outside. Tribal
elders no longer gather ceremonial plants in the desert. Fences are
going up and people are packing weapons.

Some Indians are forming
armed citizen patrols, occasionally shooting over the heads of
immigrants and smugglers to scare them off their land.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 20, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Praise the Lord. Jesus is coming and all you haters are going to burn in the "Lake of Fire and Brimestone.
The Devil has taken over your souls---- PRAY---PRAY--- OH you sinners of evil. Praise be to the Lord. Cast the Devil out of your souls you wicked ones. PRAY---PRAY----PRAY----
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Hurray for FEDERAL Judge Neil Wake!!!
K, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 8:15 pm
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I'll go ahead and post it since the agendahoman doesn't want to: AP - "Judge upholds Arizona law on illegal immigrant hires" - PHOENIX — A federal judge on Thursday upheld an Arizona law that prohibits businesses from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants and yanks the business licenses of those that do. U.S. District Judge Neil Wake's ruling was a defeat to employers who argued the law was an unconstitutional attempt by a state to regulate immigration, traditionally the federal government's responsibility.

J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 20, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Would the one person,please step forward?

Quote:
You know what is so wrong with all this is that 90% of the people posting here are one and the same person. They are only trying to stir up all you other 10%"
Dave, Blue Rapids - Feb 20, 2008 at 7:24 pm
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"but one international student at the lecture complained he has to pay out-of-state tuition although he's been in the United States legally for several years."


How can illegal alien students get in-state tuition? Quote" There is a conflict between Federal and State law regarding the eligibility of undocumented students for in-state tuition rates. Federal law passed in 1996 prohibits illegal aliens from receiving in-state tuition rates at public institutions of higher education. Specifically, Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) states: "an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident."
Dave, Blue Rapids - Feb 20, 2008 at 7:21 pm
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Maybe that's true Sue, I don't know. However, I know everyone is getting fired up, but look at the big picture. The law is in effect and more of it takes effect in July. When there's no job to have and no public benefits to get, people here illegally will move on. The children caught in the middle, will move on with them. So, there's really no need to get fired up unless the law is repealed. Then, I would suggest contacting your representative and making your voice heard, just as it was last year. Until then, let the law take its effects. These problems can't be solved in months, when the problem has been going on for decades. Just be patient and give it chance to work its way through the various parameters of life.
J.T.(I), Norman - Feb 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I would like to say that no one helped me with my college education. I was laid off in 2003 until 2005 and it was suggested to me that I go back and get my Bachelor degree. I did so and ended up borrowing about $25000 on top of the scholarships for 2 years of college. I tried to get Pell Grants, but, since they are based on the prior year income i did not qualify. It did not matter that I was laid off and unemployed. Then after getting my degree I was able to work for about 2 years and then I was laid off again. Thanks to the Federal Gov't tnat promotes jobs being sent to other countries, that's where it went. It's high time the government starts taking care of it's own citizens instead of those in this country illegally, including their U.S. born children.
Larry, Council Hill - Feb 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm
You know what is so wrong with all this is that 90% of the people posting here are one and the same person. They are only trying to stir up all you other 10%.
sue, seminole - Feb 20, 2008 at 4:42 pm
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See Sharyn you just keep proving the point. Dumb as legal white okies are, there are some creatures dumber, and we need them to keep us from looking so bad to the rest of the nation. Can you even fathom how dumb you have to be to not have a clue about being "illegal" until you apply for college? You'd think the birth certificate might have been a no brainer, or the fact that the parents hid from whoever came knocking on the door or didn't communicate with the neighbors because they didn't speak the same language as the neighbors or that they didn't attend "parent-teacher" conferences for the same reason. And why do you want someone to leave who just makes you look smarter? As a matter of fact my/their staying may be the only way you could look smarter. Which I think is the point. You know I'm right or you wouldn't have had to combine "legals" with "illegals" to prove how smart they were. Even Larry gets it; you notice he said "attended" not "graduated." And he knows if we boot these kids out, they will want refunds of all that already spent money, just like he does. Furthermore, Larry is right on spot that every job held by an illegal is a job that was once held by a legal, and, think about it now, if we boot out the illegal, we gotta go grab those "legals" and haul them back to those lawnmowing, fruit picking, roof tarring, ditch digging jobs they thought they had left behind forevermore and good riddance. Well, gotta go now; Arkansas needs a boost in intelligence level.
Percy, Ardmore - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I don't hate them. But tell me this...How the Hell are they going to get a job if they are illegal? It is illegal for them to have a job without proper documentation, so they need to take steps to becoming legal. If they are 18, they are legally adult and they can go to INS and start the process. Sorry, that their parents broke the law but before they get any benefits of a US Citizen or legal immigrant, they need to get their status straightened out.
K, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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The absolute hatred of some Oklahomans toward brown skinned people disgusts me. How can you punish a child who came here at 2 years old, stayed out of trouble and made good grades, graduated high school, speaks English fluently, and now cannot go to college or get a good job? This is retarded. Your answer: Go back to Mexico? They have never BEEN to Mexico since they started talking. WTH is wrong with you people?
Bryan, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:31 pm
"In the 2006-07 school year, 244 undocumented students attended Oklahoma colleges," That's 244 U.S. citizens and LEGAL immigrants that were denied.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I am a native born Oklahoman. Thru no fault of my own, my parents moved out of state. When I was ready to go to college, I moved back to Oklahoma and was charged out of state rates. Where is my refund of the money I was over-charged?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Even if their parents brought them over, they are adults now and need to be responsible for their own actions. If after turning 18, they are still in this country illegally, they have broken the law. Period.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:19 pm
EVERY job held by an illegal (which is also illegal) was once held by an American or a legal immigrant.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:18 pm
What good is accomplished in giving an illegal an education much less a college education WHEN THEY CAN'T BE EMPLOYED?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 at 3:14 pm

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