Stoops, 47, is scheduled to receive a one-time $3 million benefit on Dec. 31 this year for coaching at OU 10 seasons, according to his contract obtained by The Oklahoman through the Oklahoma Open Records Act.
That $3 million benefit, combined with more than $2.77 million he'll receive in guaranteed compensation, along with additional income he could gain from various performance bonuses, means that Stoops could earn more than $6 million in 2008.
Sooner athletic director Joe Castiglione admits that figure could invite criticism of OU having misplaced priorities.
"People may question why we do certain things,” Castiglione said. "But we can measure his impact, not just with success on the field, but the way our team generates interest and excitement because of the leadership of the head coach. He positively affects so many elements of the athletic program, campus community and the state — you could talk about it from the infusion of excitement to the economic impact.”
"Bob Stoops is worth every penny and always has been and always will be.”
Castiglione points to the numbers to support his claim.
The year before Stoops arrived in Norman, OU generated only $26.1 million in athletic revenues, according to figures provided by the school.
In 2006-07 — Stoops' eighth season at OU — the athletic department generated $66.3 million in revenues, with football directly accounting for $28.5 million.
That doesn't include another $18 million in contribution, advertising and licensing dollars that football likely had a big hand in landing.
In contrast, of the $65.9 million in athletic expenses for 2006-07, football required only $15.1 million, meaning that without football OU athletics would be operating at a significant deficit.
For that reason, football is why OU has continued to not only balance its athletics budget, but is among only a handful of athletic departments to also turn a yearly profit.
The OU athletics department has contributed roughly $4 million from football ticket sales to "academic enhancements,” according to the school.
OU athletics also has the goal of finishing a $1 million endowment for the library.
"If that doesn't tell the story, I don't know what does,” Castiglione said.
"We really feel our financial model is more in line with the expectations of higher education, intercollegiate athletics and the institutional mission.”
Why Stoops is ‘the difference'
Back in 2005, the OU Board of Regents approved Stoops' $3 million benefit when renegotiating his contract through the 2011 season — just a few months after Florida made a strong push to snag Stoops as its head coach.
Since, the university has been contributing an average of $750,000 a year toward the $3 million benefit.
"The people who are generating the revenue, why on Earth wouldn't they share in it? Because without them, we wouldn't have any of it,” Castiglione said.
"I know Bob Stoops well enough that he would never make any one person including himself the difference in anything.
"But it's fair to say the program he leads is the difference between us having a broad-based athletic program that can be successful and give each of our student-athletes the chance to compete for a championship, to provide a myriad of resources to support them from the academic center to being able to travel that's comparable to other programs. All of these things do have a tie back to the success of our football program.”
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Taxes are now deemed “donations”. Now that is interesting logic. Donation implies voluntary. I guess taxes are voluntary if you’re willing to donate some time in the gray bar motel.
“S” signs that way because that is how internet trolls do their work.
According to one poster’s logic, Gundy should be paying o-state to coach.
you know what i think, i remember the gibbs, schnellenberger and blake years. when bob stoops took over that program it was costing the university to make up the short comings of empty seats in the stadium. lets see now? how many empty seat since bob's arrival? probably zero! so just as a buisness move it was an outstanding choice. people may complain about his graduation precentages, you know some of the kids on every football team in america are only there by the skin of their teeth, they might make it in the nfl but they have to go to college and since 1998 oklahoma university looks darn good on the resume, so pay him the money
What Bob Stoops and the football program have provided to the university is truely amazing. While it would not be on the scale that football has done, I would like to see a similar analysis of Sherri Coale and the womans basketball program.
Steve, Do you see OU as an institution of higher learning or as an instrument to provide sports entertainment and bragging rights for the folks in Oklahoma? Are you an OU graduate?
Steve, You're and idiot, I've taught sucessfully for 23 years and many try to teach and many fail. Stand in the front of a classroom for awhile and then say anyone can teach. I also was a sucessful coach, and again , not everyone can coach. Walk in my shoes before you put me down .
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boys, boys, boys.... time to play nice. This is a simple case of supply and demand. Stoops supplies wins and he is in demand. He stops supplying wins (especially in January) he is not in demand. Stoops gets every penny he can just like I do and every person that is posting in this space. Lighten up with the cracks on teachers and each other, this is just a business transaction.
Sooner in Texas, san antonio - Feb 21, 2008 10:37 PM
Steve, I apologize for leaving out the words "just anyone" before "can be a teacher". I fell into the same trap you did, not doing a thorough proof read of my post. In any case, just look at the individual awards list at UCSD and it totals to almost as much as the total outside funds received by the OU physics department in 2007. The URL is: http://physics.ucsd.edu/awards/
My reference to "no research . . . no football" relates to the discovery of ways to make rubber football bladders. Should have made that more clear.
Steve, If the school didn't exist, the football team wouldn't exist. If I'm a "capitalist hating ignorant poster" then I apologize, I'm running as fast as I can. I doubt that anyone can be a teacher, and few teachers can be called "great teachers". Finally, without teachers and researchers, we wouldn't even have a football to kick around any more. Check the grammar in your last sentence, seems to be missing a word or two.
What a bunch of capitalist hating ignorant posters we have here. Just about anyone can be a teacher but only a few can be a great coach at a great program. Not to mention that his salary doesn't any correlation to tuition because the athletics program pays for itself.
Thank you Joe. I don't know whether Todd is telling me to just go away, or is responding to someone else.
Let me clarify my experience. I graduated from OU in Engineering Physics in 1954, and after serving in the Navy in the Pacific, went into industry. I was editor of the Engineering Magazine at OU and also active in many other areas, band as well as academics. I got my MS in Engineering from UCLA in 1962, which, along with Scripps Institute, spawned UCSD. I had a long association with UCSD, with them as a client and also as a contributor to UCSD. I was impressed by their rapid growth and their ability to obtain individual and government grants for research, not only in Physics and Engineering, but in Medicine and many other areas. When I returned to Oklahoma in Ocober 2007, I was disappointed that the school was not doing well in outside grants, and would like to find some way to help in that area. So far there has been little interest, but maybe things will change with time.
So, to summarize, I know OU inside out (or as it was in 1954) and I know UCSD inside out, and have to say that if UCSD can generate more revenue with grants and outside funds than OU does with it's football team, then we should work harder to get those grants, and the football team should work harder on the 44% graduation success rate.
Yes, I do support the team, honor the team, love the team, and did manage to attend the last OSU/OU football game. Still, is 44% what we should accept?
Get use to OSU fans and other haters of OU. There is money to keep a College Program at the highest level possible in Norman. OU is going to keep on winning. OU Football is a part of the State of Oklahoma's identity. Read your history, it was the State of Oklahoma that wanted an icon for their identity (besides the dust bowl) in the 40's and 50's. The Oklahoma Sooners were happy to help. Don't be jealous, just go away.
Let's see- As I understand it, the only football revenue going outside the atheletic department is a $1 million endowment for the library and $4 million in other undefined "Acdamemic Enhancements". Seems to me that some of the excess could be used to do something about the 44% "graduation success rate" for the football team, with the balance going to other academic areas. Is 44% what O.U. is about?
Without the school there woulr be no team, however when you compare the academic and financial success of OU to that of UCSD in San Diego, just 30 or so years old, with no football team, or any other serious revenue-generating sports, it's obvious that a good university can generate significant revenue from grants, good research, and other academic work. I would like to be proud of OU for it's academic achievements, as well as it's sports achievements.
One more comparison, the O.U. Physics Department brought in $4.29 million in external funding in 2007, probably less than 10% of that brought in by the UCSD physics department. Is that a record to be proud of?
Well all I have to say is that he isn't worth it! There are a lot of other potentially better coaches out there that could have done better and perhaps won the BIG games as well.....I think he is good but not that good! All you grammer police check this!!!!
You are an emabrassment to the state of Oklahoma as a graduate of our education system. Please get a vasectomy to protect the world from your stupidity.
Gary,OKC- Touch a nerve did we, huh Gary. You brought up all the negatives about your profession my friend. And by the way it was you who said you had students show up drunk. I don't know how good or bad of a teacher you really were . . I only know how you sound in your posts. Bitter, frustrated and resentfull. Get a life pal and quit complaining or go back to work for the nitwit who wants so badly to rehire you.
Tanner, thank you for proving Kyle's point earlier. Those who have nothing to add simply criticize others typos, grammar and just plain typing off the cuff. Since you're such an expert on grammar, I'll give you my dissertaion when I finish it so you can correct it for me.
By the way Gary...I missed one of your posts earlier. I never said that I didn't believe that the scholarships didn't pay the tuition. I just didn't think that your arugument is a good basis for saying that the athletic department supports the institution.--------M....please read my post carefully...I asked how many got scholarships. I even asked if it was all of them. I then said for the sake of arguement that all of them got scholarships. I never claimed to know how many actually got scholarships. I knew not all of them, but if I had said 20 or 75 or whatever number you still would have jumped on me so that was a lose-lose situation for me.
Gary,OKC- Touch a nerve did we, huh Gary. You brought up all the negatives about your profession my friend. And by the way it was you who said you had students show up drunk. I don't know how good or bad of a teacher you really were . . I only know how you sound in your posts. Bitter, frustrated and resentfull. Get a life pal and quit complaining or go back to work for the nitwit who wants so badly to rehire you.
OUtplayed and OUtcoached = Overpaid! haha! Just kiddin! Hey, Saban makes more and I'm sure he has something in his contract IF he's around in 10 years too. We could be dealing with Bama's record the past couple of years ; )
20,000-500=19,500. Using your math that's 23,400,000. Now, it's been a while since I've had basic math but, let's see...23,400,000 > 600,000. Or, 46,800,000 is still > 1,200,000. Yeah, I can see where those 500 athletes make a huge dent. My bad.
That's right Joe, blame the teacher for a kid coming to school drunk. It's a shame I was such an awful teacher that I was named "Teacher of the Year" four different years by my colleagues and students during my career. Since you know so much about it, go get your teaching license and 'save the world'. There are plenty of teaching jobs available. Oh by the way, I was such a terrible teacher my last superintendent has tried to get me to "freeze" my retirement and come back to work for him. I'll tell him what you said; he'll just laugh at how ignorant you are.
Also,S. - you say OU's athletic department doesn't put a dent in the general operating budget. Multiply 500 student-athletes x 12 credit hours x $100 per credit hour = $600,000 per semester and $1,200,000 per year. And many of the student athletes take more than the required minimum credit hours. I'd say OU's athletic department puts a big dent into the university's income.
Gary,OKC - Well all I can say is . . it is certainly good that teachers with your mindset are no longer in the profession. Lord knows where we would be if all teachers were as narrow minded and thought as you and your hundreds of collegues do. You must have been an extraordinary person to stay in a profession past the five year burnout period. Or could it be you could do nothing else. I can oly imagine what kind of teacher would continue doing something he dislikes so much. No wonder your students came to school drunk. Who here is really drinking the coolaid ? I ask you.
s and gary, My head is throbbing after reading your posts. I have never seen so many grammatical errors in a three sentence paragraph. Have a little respect for yourselves and edit your posts. Plese refrain from tainting the gene pool further.
S, once again you show your stupididty. Only 85 football players are allowed to be on scholarship. There are somewhere around 20-30 players not on scholarship that are part of the team. All the money that the football program generates goes to the athletic department, not the football program. If it weren't for the football program, the swim team, golf team, fencing team, and other small athletic programs would not be around. And they are all allowed to give athletic scholarships which are paid for by the money the football program brings in. Go to OU's next fencing match and look into the stands and tell me if the people there are paying for that kids chance to be educated by one of the best Universities in the country.
S,you're changing the subject. You first said you didn't believe the athletic department paid for the players' tuition. Now you're asking if that makes a dent in an instituion.
Not to mention Gary...many of the benefits that athletes receive (i.e. tutoring), paid for by supporters, is only for althetes to use. So, tell me how this money from donations and ticket sales and whatever else you mention go to help the ENTIRE university.
No Gary, I'm not. But think about this...how many football players get scholarships? All of them? For the sake of arguement, let's say that they all get scholarships. Do you really think that that amount of money (I'm speaking of tuition and room and board only here) makes a dent in an instution with an enrollment of at least 20,000 students? I don't think so.
Joe - believe what you wish. Most school teachers I know and there are hundreds of them have a similar view of education that I do. What I have mentioned in my previous post is one reason the average teacher lasts about five years. So, what I said was plain wrong. Well,believe me most of my fellow public school teachers would side with me rather than your relatives. You go ahead and think all these students come to school bright-eyed and bushy-tailed ready to learn. Keep your head in the sand and tell dorothy and toto hello for me.
S of okc - you are the assinine one. I can't believe you don't know how athletic scholarships are paid for? The athletic department (through its revenues of ticket sales, donations, televisions and radio revenues, etc.) pays the university for its athletes to attend classes. How do you think these players education is paid for? Do you think that the university just lets them go to class? Somebody has to pay for their schooling which is the athletic department. Any other questions?
6 million to Bob Stoops, sounds like a good investment to me. He makes OU a ton of money and he would be very hard to replace.(almost impossible) He's done so much for the program and for the state of Oklahoma. I hope he stays at OU for at least another 10 years. BOOMER!
Gary, OKC - like I said we have teachers in the family. Son's wife is a teacher, brother's wife is a teacher, aunt was a teacher, another aunt a principal, mother over 40 years in the public school system . . so yes I do have a feel for the profession and none have expressed such a cynical opinion as yours. Your lengthy "what ifs" and "have you ever" list of statements was overcooked and pathetic not to mention just plain wrong. You sound like a burnt out resentful teacher regretting he ever took up the profession. Like my original position implies . . society places way too much emphasis on sports when compared to academics. Sorry you can't see that. I can and I am a huge sports fan, especially OU. It's all about being able to be objective.
These criticisms are too funny. Bob makes good money. There is nothing you guys can do about it except stop buying tickets to football games. Would any critics of how much he gets paid give up thier season tickets? Stop watching OU games on TV? I doubt it. You critics really have nothing to say. Successful coaches and CEOs get paid well. There is nothing you guys can do about it.
I'm a democrat and as of today I support teachers being better paid. However, the teachers posting today apparently don't understand where Bob gets his money. If you teachers don't understand where Bob gets his money and believe somehow public schools could in any way legally benefit from monies distributed by the University of Oklahoma then I'm afraid your idiots and don't deserve my support.
I'm a big fan of OU and an alumni. I believe Stoops has done a wonderful job with the program and is consistently in the top 10. I think donating part of the bonus would be a great goodwill gesture. But don't forget, the state will get back part of the bonus because of income taxes. I also believe some of the commentors below should go back to school and learn how to use a dictionary before posting.
total* Dangit! sorry about the typos, (and corrections), it's just that you loonies use typos against people on these forums far too often when you can't find a concrete mistake in what they've said otherwise.
6 million freaking dollars to coach a team at an academic institution. Geez. Such is true for most overpaid coaches in Division I football. I'm sure that money is better of for other things. Oh well, it'll never change.
Oh my gosh Gary...are you trying to tell us that athletics supports education because the scholarship money goes to the insitution? That is the most assinine argument I've heard. If that is the case, then the same concept can be applied to academic scholarhips, or federal financial aid.
Phil, Yukon - the OU athletic department does pay a hefty amount of it's income for educaiton, classrooms, labs, and instructors. Ever hear of athletic scholarships? The department pays the university for its athletes' to attend classes.
It's good that this money wasn't wasted on something unnecessary like education, classrooms, labs or instructors.
Perhaps there's a way to blame tobacco for the excessive incomes some people are getting since it seems to be a fault for everything else.
I'd be prouder of OU if it were more grounded more in education rather than sports.
I did the comparison with the Bob Stoops calculator and it is very hard to believe that anyone in Norman Oklahoma makes that kind of money.... I make good money for Oklahoma.. But he makes too much money... We must remember that he is a State employee.. and his wage should be in line with other successful coaches in the NCAA and then adjusted to the cost of living in Oklahoma and then adjusted for not graduating half your players... He makes a lot of money for the University but what about the players??? The NCAA should agree to pay some type of stypen to the players if they are the reason the University makes money...
With that kind of money comes expectations to win a bowl game now and then and seriously compete for the National Championship. I'm a Stoops supporter but it's time to start winning bowl games.
Does anyone understand MARKET VALUE? There is a market for everything. Bob is not even the highest paid coach in college BTW. Take a business class and you’ll see everything has a market. You don‘t have to like it but that’s what it is. No Stoops No millions….No Millions No Stoops. You don’t want to make 30K as a teacher get a new job. Stoops has stayed for 10 years and he gets bonus for doing so. We’d be paying some other coach to do the same thing, if he could, because that is the market for top flight coaches. Coaching is a commission type job and ole Bob is breaking all sales records America.
I don't know whether Stoops is worth $6 million or not; and I agree with Ronnie in Wilburton that teacher salaries are too low, although that hardly is relevant here since the money we're talking about going to Stoops would never be diverted to public elementary and secondary educators anyway. What I don't understand are some who think more money ought to buy us a national championship, and if we don't get one, then we boot Stoops and hire someone who does. That's moronic. Oklahoma has played in more BCS games than anyone. So, is that worth $5 million? Or what about just conference championships...is that worth $3 million. What does $1 million buy? It's the same dumb logic that has fair weather fans thinking the back-up quarterback is always better than the starter.
And to add to what Dave spouts - how is more money for education going to improve the graduation rates, decrease prenancy, decrease child abuse, etc. This is the same old liberal, government-dependency dogma I hear all the time. These problems will decrease when Oklahoma starts having better parents.
Joe,Kingston - I don't have all the answers, I wish I did. And the average joe does donate more to academics than athletics through the taxes (federal, state, and county) assessed on him every year. And you say my logic is interesting? Well, maybe this 'logic' has more to do with my "experience" as both a coach and a teacher than some "research" by an ivory-tower figures who have never taught in their lives. I commend you for your tenure as an entreprenuer in our wonderful free enterprise system (people who run a business have my utmost respect), and I know I come across at times as being blunt and cynical. But I also am very pragmatic when it comes to public education. Have you ever been in a public school classroom lately?. Have you ever taught? Have you tried to prepare your students for a test and have over 50% fail? Have you ever given a homework assignment and have over 75% of the class not have it finished the next day? Have you ever seen students come to school hung-over from a drinking binge the night before or high from drugs? This has not only happened to me, it's happened and is still happening in our schools with other teachers. I still keep in touch with my former colleagues who are still in the classroom trying to do a good job and ARE dedicated to their students achievement. But a teacher can only so much. Remember, a school only has a child 6-7 hours a day, five days a week, 175 days a year. The rest of the time that child has strong outside influences - parents, family, peers, and environment. In most cases these influences play a much bigger part in a childs attitude than the teacher. You are to be commended for wanting higher graduation rates but paying financial incentives to teachers for attaining this in neither pragmatic nor practical. Do you pay a teacher more because his or students have better grades and more of them graduate? What if that teacher was really an average teacher but with smart students and supportive parents. On the other hand, what if an excellent teacher had a bunch of students who didn't care about an education, wouldn't do their work, made failing grades, and many ended up dropping out of school? So, the average teacher with the good students gets a financial incentive while the excellent teacher with students who don't care gets nothing. And as far as paying coaches financial incentives, they have players come to the team who want to be there and play. Teachers have to take every child that comes through the door; many of whom don't want to be there but have to because the law requires them to.
Gary and Mike...maybe I don't bring in the same amount of dollars that Stoops does, but I do bring in dollars. Not to mention, my husband brings in millions of dollars in his job but doesn't see near the bonus that Stoops does. Please do not assume that you know anything about who I am or what I do.
Dave, you said Blake was starting to "right the ship"? Having a few losing seasons doesn't qualify as righting the ship to me. Enough of the BS about Stoops only won with Blake's players. Put Blake's favorite son Patrick Fletcher under center instead of Bob's recruit Heupel and OU wouldn't have won in 2000. Also pretty sure another one of Bob's recruits Torrance Marshall saved the game against Texas A&M that year. I agree losing Mike Stoops hurt but we haven't done too bad since. Perhaps you'd rather have OU fire Bob and hire back Blake so we can go back to losing every year? A friend of mine played for both Blake and Stoops and I asked him what the difference was between the two. He simply said "Coach Blake was an awesome man and a good coach, Coach Stoops is an awesome coach and a good man".
Reading these posts make it clear why our state remains at the top of bad things and the bottom of good things. We'd rather pay a coach multi millions and pay teachers a few thousand. As long as this is our state priorities we will continue to be at the top in teen age pregnacy, school dropouts, poverty, child abuse etc., etc,. And we will continue to be at the bottom in earnings per capita, graduation rates, health care etc, etc,. An overwhelming majority of posters on this site seem to thing as long as OU has a winning football program nothing else matters much.
We have been donors and season football ticket holders since the sixties. We will continue to support Stoops and the university. We love what he has accomplished. Is he worth what he is being paid? Time will tell. No one loves sports more than I do. I was an athlete. we have medical doctors, professional screen writers, teachers and businessmen in our family. And I will say our teachers are our most arogant. I will stand by my original position that it is a shame academic achievement is not held is as high or higher esteem than is sports. Last post.
Stoops should donate all or most of that bonus toward something significant at the University (like Paterno has done). That would be an amazing goodwill gesture.
There are a lot of CEO of companies that are making a lot more than $6 million in a year. OU athletics in a lot of cases is much more successful than those companies in their profitability. Stoops is a talented individual that most likely would be successful in any endeavor he pursued. As most all of us are jealous and envious of him, most of us do not possess the integrity, loyalty, and dedication that he apparently does. We should all try to learn from his successes to better our own lives.
Please don't take shots at the greatest University President in America. And Please PLEASE appologize for taking a shot a great Oklahoma man and great Oklahoma family. Steve and Tink, you guys are both Sooner treasures.
He's worth every penny. We had better lock up Capel soon. He could get VERY expensive any day now. If he makes a big run this year, his stock could rise quickly. With what OU has coming next year, it is a lock that Capel becomes a big name soon.
As far as jerseys go, before I bought my #14 Josh Heupel I previosly had an old #80 for Ricky Bryan (said it was for Alexander too). There were some good players between the two but jerseys were hard to find outside of Norman. Now you'll find two different numbers every year all over the place. I even saw a cheap version of #28 in Love's once. :)
I for one like others believe he is way over paid, however many posts here are and present evidence to try and justify the fee. My only real comments are this. He is an outstanding motivater and has brought pride to the program but he is slowly being exposed for being just an average mediocure coach at best. Great coaches surround themselves with a great coaching staff and super athletes. We have the athletes but I question the other parts of the puzzle. With this being said, at 2.77 million I can make myself be content with just a big 12 championship, but giving the man another 3 million.....I better see national championships, that is the only justification in my opinion..can he do it? As a motivator and recruiter---maybe, as a coach with the staff he has and the game plan he usually brings,,,,,,,doubtful. Seriously we can win big 12 title after title on talent alone,,,,,,but coaching along with talent wins the big games......3 million better provide that in my opinion !
Gary, I give up. . you as a teacher must be a lot smarter than most of us poor slobs. Before retirement I was just an ignorant but successful CEO/Pres of a multi-million dollar profitable company. You on the other hand with your infinite wisdom seem to have all the answers. Oh, and by the way . . I didn't bring up what teachers are paid. I simply was making the point that teacher financial incentives may go a long way towards achieving higher graduation rates. Apparently you know different. You may want to do a little more research. The average Joe donates much more to athletic departments than to academics. Again emphazing sports over academics. Like it or not athletics draw a lot more attention and buzz to Universities than does academic achievement. Obviously money won't motivate you to achieve greater performance but you agree that it will motivate a coach to perform better. Interesting logic my friend. Maybe you were just simply the best teacher you could be regardless. I still believe it is a sad indictment of our misguided priorities to emphasize sports over academics. Maybe you should have been a coach rather than a teacher. You seem to be more suited. . if not physically at least mentally
Lacy - bless your heart. You left yourself wide open when you asked what did Stoops have to do with kids wearing OU jerseys with players names on them. Stoops success with the Sooners has these kids wanting to wear OU jerseys with the Stoops recruited players' names on them. Before Stoops arrived, I would see more Miami and Florida State jerseys that OU. Kids want to wear the jersey of a successful team; you don't see many Baylor jerseys being worn throughout the years. And partial revenues from sales of these jerseys go back to the OU athletic department if they are licensed by the NCAA.
Football is in the entertainment industry. I don't hear people comparing the $$$ of their favorite actors/actresses to school teachers. Oprah makes more than all the Big 12 football coaches combined.
Before Bob Stoops came to OU there were a lot of emply seats at football games. Now, seats are filled at all the games and there's a sense of pride at OU again. Bob didn't do this by himself, but he had a big part to play in it and I say that he's well worth whatever they decide to pay him.
Yes, OU does generate a lot of money in but not all of it is attributed to the job done by Stoops. More and more I see people with jersey’s on that have the name and number of a specific player. What does Stoops have to do with this? I also feel that the pay Stoops receives is excessive. Stoops is Not the Athletic Dept. at OU he is just a member of the team. Not only does he receive the approx. 2.77 million a year he also gets a car w/ insurance, Membership to a golf club, supplemental income, and practically free plane service (or at least 35 hours which is a lot). What does he need the 2.77 million for he pretty much has everything paid for?
The only arguement I have for the public teacher since that has been brought up is this.....the comment was made that teachers don't generate millions of dollars such as Stoops supposedly has....well I say that they do. Every teacher that Stoops had growing up somehow affected his life along with his parents to turn him into what he is today. So in a sense those teachers have a part in generating millions of dollars. Every time someone makes it big or becomes a significant public figure you can trace his roots to his parents and his educators,,,,,,,so please don't sell teachers short that is just plain wrong. Some of you can either give credit for your good fortunes to a teacher or blame your own stupidity on a teacher......teachers generate much more than millions....thats just my opinion.
OU football was great long before Bob Stoops and will be great long after he goes. OU had a few bad years thanks to David Boren and Steve Owens. They hired Snellenberger who nearly destroyed the program and then came Blake who frankly started to right the ship. It is players, not coaches, who make a great football team. Bud Wilkinson knew that. Barry Switzer knew that. With Blake's players OU won a national championship. With Stoops' players OU has been embarrassed by LSU and USC and Kansas State and Boise State and Colorado and Virginia Tech. OU kept the wrongs Stoops brother. It was Mike Stoops and Leach and Mangino that were the brains at OU and now that there gone Bob can't get the job done. Give him another raise.
It's called capitalism. It's about what someone else is willing to pay if you don't. It seems ridiculous that a football coach makes so much money. The same way a football player makes so much money or even a spare no-name left handed pitcher in major league baseball. But someone is willing to pay it. Maybe they overpay certain individuals but overall, the consumer drives these prices. Tickets are $85 a game because 84,000 will pay that price and there is a waiting list. (Maybe not in the case of OSU fans) Its only going to get 'worse' because we the consumer are willing to pay it. The numbers, ratings and dollars are there to support it. I have also seen reports that donations to academic efforts at many schools increase with athletic success. Maybe it makes a potential donor more aware of his alma mater or perhaps he gets a sales pitch while in town for a game.
Good job Gary, I agree. And S. of Okc what are you compliaining about. I bet if you increased your employers revinue by just 20% you would see the benifits through promotions or raises. OU is doing no different than any other Business by paying to keep an exceptional employee. College athletics is the lifeblood of the university. Without the revinue generated by the athletic department many things would not be able ot be accomplished. Such as the Library endowment and othr improvements to the University itself. So before you go and chastize the Coaches or Athletic department spend some time and take a good look at what the beneifts are by keeping (and paying) to keep a couple good coaches in the system.
S -if you had brought in the revenue to your company like Bob Stoops has brought in to the OU athletic department, you probably would have got a nice bonus.
Here we go again - bringing what we pay teachers into the fold. First of all, I am a retired public school teacher with 31 years under my belt. But I ask, how will paying teachers more or pouring more money into education going to improve education. Every year, we as a state and nation increase education spending. Yet, illiteracy remains high while our test scores are some of the lowest in the world. Joe - you say our society places priorities on sports rather than academics. I disagree. Besides Switzerland, the United States spends more money on education per pupil than any other industrialized nation. And we are already paying a price because every decade we have more sorry parents who produce apathetic and lazy children who we try to educate in our public schools. And Dave, some teachers have less than a 44% graduation rate; but they have tenure and can't be fired. And Stoops and Castiglione receive their salaries from the University of Oklahoma athletic department which is self-sufficient and does not receive one penny of taxpayers' money. You like a lot of ignorant people always bring up teachers' salaries being low when the pay of college athletic coaches is made public. Dave, you just bitch about things you know nothing about.
I think this is ludicrus. 3 million just for being the coach for 10 years?!?!? I wish my employer paid even a fraction of that for my longevity. I barely even notice mine due to the taxes that come out. I think Bob Stoops is a good coach and I'm not even much of a football fan but I think college athletics is way out of control.
Of course teachers don't generate revenue. Any nitwit knows that. But again . . it is because we as a society place our prioriies on sports rather than academics(you and me included). And it is sad because in the long run there will be a price to be paid by this nation.
Guy in Tulsa asked everyone to read the article in full before commenting. Obviously, many didn't. Joe is trying to explain the ECONOMIC impact of what Stoops and Oklahoma footbal have generated. Did ya'll see the numbers?? That's outstanding. Someone mentioned the money generated for the conference. Not another school, or coach, in the Big XII generates the revenue OU and Stoops does. Executives get paid to keep a well oiled machine running; Gm, Ford, Devon, CitiCorp, etc. OU is, and will continue to be a well oiled machine, despite the Cletus' of the world negative comments. Remember, nobody can "win 'em all" but U comes damn close.
Yesiree, I'd much rather promote a foo'ball team than try to attract high tech industries that improved academics, lower tuition, and more academic related scholarships would bring. At least when football players get ready to retire, they can appear on late night car dealership commercials!
As an OU graduate and avid football fan , I love the University. Even support it financially. But really. . isn't it a bit sad where we as a society place our priorities when we can justify paying coaches (ex football players)such shameful salaries. I tend to agree that to emphasize greater financial incentives for teachers who achieve higher graduation rates would seem more worthwile.
I have no problem with Bob Stoops getting the 3 million as long as they can justify the incoming revenue.The problem I have is that they keep raising tuition for every little reason the administation can think of. One of latest things is we are forced to pay an extra 20 dollars per hour for a swimming complex for the students.Give me a brake!! I think a good news story would be to investigate all the fees that we are forced to pay to attend OU.My daughter is proud to attend OU but I think some of their priorities need to be realigned.
i am an OU graduate and was a student there for john blakes years and the start of bob stoops years. there are two people who have had a tremendous impact on the OU campus and they are boren and stoops, and there is no denying it. plus, of his $2.7 million salary, $2.5 million doesn't come from the university but is from endorsements and speaking ingagements. he gets bonuses for accomplishments, and i see no reason he shouldn't. the football program brings money, attention, students and most importantly pride for OU. plus, i wouldn't be suprised to see a big chunk of that bonus go back to the university. he and his wife have been big donors to the library.
Who was it, Dr. Cross ? who said "let's build a school
that the football team can be proud of". Bob Stoops
has more than paid his way while he has been at OU.
(I wonder what Cletus has done ? maybe he is the mayor
of Mayberry ?)
When I came to Lawton in 1990, there was no OU memorabilia to be found in stores. Now it is all over the town and it is what the young kids wear. Money can not measure the pride this football program has brought to Oklahoma.
Castiglione forgets that he and Stoops are public servants. They work for the people of the State of Oklahoma. Using the Castiglione logic we should develop a ki
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“S” signs that way because that is how internet trolls do their work.
According to one poster’s logic, Gundy should be paying o-state to coach.
It is stipend !!!!!
Take a nap Kurt!!
My reference to "no research . . . no football" relates to the discovery of ways to make rubber football bladders. Should have made that more clear.
Let me clarify my experience. I graduated from OU in Engineering Physics in 1954, and after serving in the Navy in the Pacific, went into industry. I was editor of the Engineering Magazine at OU and also active in many other areas, band as well as academics. I got my MS in Engineering from UCLA in 1962, which, along with Scripps Institute, spawned UCSD. I had a long association with UCSD, with them as a client and also as a contributor to UCSD. I was impressed by their rapid growth and their ability to obtain individual and government grants for research, not only in Physics and Engineering, but in Medicine and many other areas. When I returned to Oklahoma in Ocober 2007, I was disappointed that the school was not doing well in outside grants, and would like to find some way to help in that area. So far there has been little interest, but maybe things will change with time.
So, to summarize, I know OU inside out (or as it was in 1954) and I know UCSD inside out, and have to say that if UCSD can generate more revenue with grants and outside funds than OU does with it's football team, then we should work harder to get those grants, and the football team should work harder on the 44% graduation success rate.
Yes, I do support the team, honor the team, love the team, and did manage to attend the last OSU/OU football game. Still, is 44% what we should accept?
Without the school there woulr be no team, however when you compare the academic and financial success of OU to that of UCSD in San Diego, just 30 or so years old, with no football team, or any other serious revenue-generating sports, it's obvious that a good university can generate significant revenue from grants, good research, and other academic work. I would like to be proud of OU for it's academic achievements, as well as it's sports achievements.
One more comparison, the O.U. Physics Department brought in $4.29 million in external funding in 2007, probably less than 10% of that brought in by the UCSD physics department. Is that a record to be proud of?
Gary,OKC- Touch a nerve did we, huh Gary. You brought up all the negatives about your profession my friend. And by the way it was you who said you had students show up drunk. I don't know how good or bad of a teacher you really were . . I only know how you sound in your posts. Bitter, frustrated and resentfull. Get a life pal and quit complaining or go back to work for the nitwit who wants so badly to rehire you.
Boomer Sooner!
Perhaps there's a way to blame tobacco for the excessive incomes some people are getting since it seems to be a fault for everything else.
I'd be prouder of OU if it were more grounded more in education rather than sports.
that the football team can be proud of". Bob Stoops
has more than paid his way while he has been at OU.
(I wonder what Cletus has done ? maybe he is the mayor
of Mayberry ?)