Hundreds gather to protest Kern's comments

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By Michael McNutt
Published: March 18, 2008

About 300 people gathered during the noon hour today at the state Capitol to ask state Rep. Sally Kern to apologize for calling homosexuality the biggest threat to America.


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The Rev. Jim Shields, a retired United Methodist minister who lives in Kern's district that covers parts of west Oklahoma City and Bethany, called on the Republican legislator to hold meetings in the district to talk with gays and Muslims.

If Kern doesn't do those things, then she should resign, said the Rev. Loyce Newton-Edwards, assistant pastor of the Open Arms United Church of Christ and president of the Oklahoma City chapter of PFLAG, Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.

Kern, a Republican, was not in the Capitol during the 40-minute event in the first-floor rotunda. The House adjourned about 10 a.m. after a one-hour session today.

No state representatives were seen at the rally. Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Oklahoma City, watched for a while from the second floor.

Someone taped a speech Kern made in January to a Republican club in Oklahoma City and sent it to a national gay rights group. Kern said earlier that the speech was about 30 minutes; a segment of about three minutes was posted about 10 days ago on YouTube.

Since then, about 1 million people have played the comments.

Kern's legislative assistant said today the legislator has received about 26,000 e-mails since her comments were posted on the Internet.

Her comments include calling homosexuality "the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam."

"The homosexual agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact," Kern is heard saying on the YouTube clip.

Rob Howard, executive director of the Cimarron Alliance Foundation, an Oklahoma City group, asked House Speaker Chris Benge to demand that Kern apologize and that the Legislature act on four comprehensive hate crimes bills that failed to advance out of committee.

Benge, R-Tulsa, said last week he has no plans to punish Kern, saying Kern has a right to express her opinion.

Howard said freedom of speech does not belong to just Kern.

"The lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community has the right to disagree publicly with Sally Kern," he said. "In fact, it is our moral imperative."


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Paula, that would include pedophiles and necrophiliacs. You don't seem to understand that discrimination is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to deciding what one will or will not accept as a societal norm. Many of us view homosexuals in the exact same light as pedophiles: it is aberrant behavior and unacceptable to me on a personal (not religious) level.
Phil, Yukon - Apr 6, 2008 8:17 PM
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The Oklahoman is by far not a liberal media outlet. And I think you should check your statistics before claiming 99% of Kern's constituents are straight. In any given population, approximately 10% will identify as LGBT. If homosexuals are law-abiding people, why are they still treated differently under the law? Legal discrimination needs to be done away with.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 30, 2008 10:41 PM
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Paula wants all lawmakers to be answerable to the 1% of their constituents that might be homosexuals while ignoring the 99% that aren't.
T. A., Moore - Mar 25, 2008 12:30 PM
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The Oklahoman is a liberal newspaper that goes to any extents to crucify a conservative in our government, up to and including all 20+ HATEFUL, yes I said HATEFUL attack ads they've provided for the very people Representative Kern was talking about. I'm surprised Ed Kelley hasn't sneaked into her office under the guise of a journalist (because he isn't one) to hand a target on her back.
T. A., Moore - Mar 25, 2008 12:27 PM
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west, have you never seen a gay pride flag? That's what it looks like. The only difference here is that they are using a modified gay pride flag with the 50 stars added. They didn't change the American flag. They added something to the gay pride flag. Now that you know the truth, you have no reason to dislike their rallies, right? Closets are for clothes, and trust me, the out homosexuals have spent far too much time, energy, and emotion coming out. They're certainly not going back in.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 24, 2008 11:24 PM
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Whats up with that flag? trying to creat thier own world with those funky colors? That is the reason why I do not like thier rallies and thier movement especially when they try to change the American flag that is wrong and its stupid, no wonder people not just Christians having a growing dislike for gays.They need to stay in the closet.
west, okla - Mar 21, 2008 8:05 AM
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Chuck from Walled Lake, you're nothing if not consistent. Consistently wrong. You are attacking the messenger. I hate perversion, you don't. Neither you nor I will sway the other but insulting the other is hardly necessary.
a, Edmund. Homosexuality is not necessarily chosen (although it is in some cases) the majority of homos are simply mentally defective. That's MY opinion.
And all of you who are so busy trying to compare all anti-homosexuals to Christians, I and many like me are irreligious and have no religion. We're agnostic and/or atheist and we still detest perverse sexual practices.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 20, 2008 7:18 AM
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Dennis, I'm sorry I missed your question earlier. I was in attendance, and I'd say the numbers given by the Oklahoman are closer than the numbers estimated by the person who said 45-50. There were more than what the cameras showed. The people were in a large circle around the state seal on the floor of the rotunda. Therefore, without panning around the circle entirely, the cameras did not reflect the number in attendance. I'm assuming the person who said 45-50 went from the photos or camera shots he saw.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 19, 2008 12:39 PM
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I can't get over the fact that people think that the homosexual community is intentionally corrupting children and whatnot. It's not like they are going into schools and having super fun gay parades or passing out leaflets saying things like "you should be gay". How many of you have had a homosexual come to your door and ask if they can talk to you about their sexual preference? I know that's never happened to me, however I have had numerous morman and christian house calls. I just think it is so insane that people just cannot accept things that they can't change, and get over it. Really. What do you expect to get out of bashing people that have different sexual preferences than you?
Heather, Ada - Mar 19, 2008 11:50 AM
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Phil from Yukon OBVIOUSLY is a married man who has never had sex outside marriage, oral sex, etc.. And MUST follow all the Levitical laws as well.. THAT or he's a hypocrite.. I am betting my money on hypocrite
Chuck, Walled Lake - Mar 19, 2008 11:22 AM
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Whether you agree or disagree with homosexuality, the fact that she claims that gays are a bigger threat than Islam or Terrorists is ridiculous! More people have been killed in the name of Christianity via the many "Crusades", the Inquisition, Witch Hunts, etc. than they have been by gays, Islam or terrorists combined.
Chuck, Walled Lake - Mar 19, 2008 11:20 AM
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Boyh, you can tell we're in Oklahoma, all of those Holier than thou are arguing about God's creations, as if Gays are self made. It is nice to see those that actually have their eyes opened and are willing speak out are those who are "deprived their RIGHTS". GAY is not a choice; you don't wake and say I'm going GAY today. 95% of gay couples have monogamous relationships. I wish I could say that about most heterosexual marriages. Let’s have a show hands for those who have cheated on their spouses. I can show you plenty that cheated on their husbands while they were away fighting for this country. They were dropping their panties before the plane left the run way. I’d like to see Kern or any other Politian address the divorce rate, the domestic abuse, the sexual assaults and the child neglect that is so out of this world right here Oklahoma. Yes, I can see that heterosexual marriages are a real valued union (lol). Many of the gay couples that I know have great jobs, rock solid characters, and faithful in their relation and are excellent parents. They have to fight to get equal insurance coverage for their families and they can’t legally be joined by the state in marriage. If we let our Politian’s walk on their rights and shun them in public with blasphemous remarks, then how long will it be before they are allowed to single out other groups, OH! They already have - BLACKS, JEWS, WOMEN, HISPANICS and the American INDIANS, must I go on. We pay a high price for our freedom of speech. Kern has the right of Freedom of Expression through speech, we have the right and the responsibility to vote against these biased Politian’s.
Deborah, Moore - Mar 19, 2008 10:31 AM
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mike says that "There are Christians, blacks, hispanics, Jews, Germans, etc. that I don't particularly want to hang out with. That sounds more racist than what kern has said about gays. You think that whites are more better to hang out with than any other ethnic group. Please.
robert, norman - Mar 19, 2008 10:21 AM
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www.thetaskforce.org

There is an agenda and lots of money behind it.
Clark, Moore - Mar 19, 2008 9:57 AM
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I will never accept homosexuality as "normal" because it isn't. It is perversion. It is no more acceptable to me than bestiality, necrophilia or pedophilia, all of which are similar choices to homosexuality and about as endearing.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 19, 2008 9:03 AM
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Paula...possibly, but I just can't make out what they are saying. It's not as clear as at the beginning of the video. And Paula, maybe you can answer a question under the "Home" tab of this subject...that being, someone mentioned there were 45-50 people at the rally,not 300. I recall you mentioned that you were there. How many folks attended in your estimation?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Mar 19, 2008 8:49 AM
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Dennis, could it possibly be one of the other verses? They don't all end in those words. Mike, I'm not denied much myself. But I know people who are. No one is asking you to agree or even like it. Equality under the LAW isn't a special right.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 19, 2008 7:59 AM
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Can anyone make out the words (America the Beautiful) the Gay congregation was singing at the end of the NewsOK video, "PFLAG rallies at Capitol?" Because, it sure didn't sound like, "God shed his grace on thee, And crown thy good with brotherhood, From sea to shining sea!"
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Mar 19, 2008 4:52 AM
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Mike...very well said.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Mar 19, 2008 4:31 AM
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Paula,, you just don't get it, nor do you want to.. I don't have to like your life style, nor support it in any manner, nor even like you. Yes, it's discrimination... We discrimate every day. Which restaurant we want, which pair of shoes we buy.. If there is someone I want to associate with, it isn't going to be because of their lifestyle. There are Christians, blacks, hispanics, Jews, Germans, etc. that I don't particularly want to hang out with. You're lifestyle is just that. No reason to give it any special rights. I like root beer, I deserve no special rights. Tell me, exactly what right do you want that you think you are being deprived of. Exactly..
Mike, Oklahoma City - Mar 19, 2008 1:53 AM
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The "Canadian Flight Attendant" story is nothing more than a myth. The origins of HIV can be traced to a very similar SIV in simians. It is believed that it was transmitted to humans through hunting, slaughtering, and consumption of infected simians. HIV infections in the United States have been traced back as far as the 1960s but we will likely in the future find out about cases from before that. It's not a "gay" disease. As for tolerance, I am a very tolerant person. I support the right of others to hold their opinions. I do not support legalized discrimination in our government. Our government is a secular government and should not be dictated by theistic doctrines. As for my "lifestyle" not that it's anyone's business, but I am not gay, just celibate. I have different reasons behind it than Jesse Kern does, but it's just as valid.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 19, 2008 12:09 AM
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Good night and God bless to you all
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 19, 2008 12:08 AM
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Paula I have heard and seen far more hate from the gay community against those who dont condone or practice it. You hypocrites cry about rights and hurt feelings when you get a dose of it but its ok to crucify Sally Kern for her position? Tolerance should be a two way street but thats not fair when you are on the losing side of a disagreement.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 11:57 PM
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Paula - if you wish to live an abnormal life style thats your right but dont expect or demand that I have to accept it or embrace it. I dont care what you do in your own home but dont come out here and try to shove in us hetros face and have a tizzy when we dont tolerate it anymore.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 11:53 PM
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Paula - nice try but its not only about gays. If you read my earlier posts it is a PC sexual degenerate acts that have us where we are by those who choose to practice. In regards to HIV - yes I lay that at their feet with the contamination of our blood supply in the beginning. I believe I have explained my opinions in earlier posts if you care to look.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 11:50 PM
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What may happen if you go beyond what the butt is for? And not to be crass, but if it were not enjoyable, why would they continue to do it? Sex may be a part of relationships, but is your relationship ALL about sex? Probably not. Neither are most homosexual relationships. They are just as capable of a long-term commitment and fidelity as hetero people are.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 11:46 PM
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Paula - I was simply pointing out that our children in schools be explained to very clearly what the butt is for and what may happen if you go beyond that. Hey I like sex as much as anybody else and my wife does too and thats part of what goes into a relationship. Sex is a major part of ANY relationship - its in our genes.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 11:44 PM
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Mark, if 1/4 of all the teenage girls have an STD, I'd say it's pretty likely to be straight sex they're engaging in. As for transmitting STDs, the lowest incidence of transmittal is between two women because they are less likely to exchange infected body fluids. So this is influenced by the gay "agenda" how?
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 11:42 PM
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See what happens when you don't proofread...back to my post of 11:32 to Mark. You may find it distasteful, but gay men are not the only ones who engage in it. Straight couples of all kinds also engage in it. And if it's just the act that you find offensive, are you okay with lesbians? They aren't known for engaging in anal sex.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 11:40 PM
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Tim in Yukon, lucky for my kids they will learn (and HAVE learned) compassion and acceptance and respect rather than hatred. This goes for all people, regardless of sexuality, race, gender, age, and even religion. It makes me proud when my son stands up for someone at school who is being bullied. It makes me proud when my daughter doesn't identify her friends by race. No one is trying to recruit your kids to homosexuality. If you teach them that it's wrong, are you giving them permission to hurt those who are?
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 11:38 PM
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Mark, your distaste for other uses of the "butt" is practiced by an untold number of hetero couples as well. And as for that matter, it's pretty doubtful that there are many lesbians out there who practice it. Additionally, homosexuality is no more about the physical act of sex than heterosexuality is. I know more homosexual people who are in long term committed relationships than those who play the field.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 11:32 PM
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Cale - because mine is a desire to explain to children in our PC schools (who apparently dont understand) the purpose and function of the butt and the consequences of violating its natural purpose.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 11:09 PM
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News OK: If you're going to pull my "mouth" and "hand" comment you need to be pulling Mark's "butt" comment as well. If not, put mine back up!
Cale, oklahoma city - Mar 18, 2008 11:01 PM
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Jenifer most of what you have said I agree with. However, on the subject of the cause and spread of HIV there is no dispute (although many will try). It was not the 60's that affected today's children - it was Bill Clinton that more or less said oral sex is not sex and he got away with it even when he perjured himself. Mouth std is at an all time high and liberal social acceptance of degenerate sexual acts has perpetuated this problem. Its a simple question of choice and many are choosing the wrong path which may cost them their lives - this is a tragic consequence of years of PC and indoctrination of alternative life styles. I take no pleasure in knowing that a majority of those who chose the PC lifestyle will die before I will and I'm no spring chicken.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:52 PM
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I agree with you exactly, Cale.
lanez, Edmond - Mar 18, 2008 10:52 PM
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The main point being missed here is Ms. Kern's position in the state legislature. For example, I'm a teacher and with that position comes some consequences for what I say in public. The first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with it. If I'm on record saying incredibly hurtful about children then I fully expect to be fired from my position. If I were overheard by a parent saying that their child and others were somehow worth less than the other kids in the class then that parent has every right if not responsibility to have me removed from my teaching position. My first amendment rights have not been infringed upon in the least. I still have the right to say whatever asinine thing I want to say but that statement may very well be viewed as a reason for termination of my employment. Personally, I absolutely support Ms. Kern's and other people of her ilk's right to free speech. It lets the rest of the thinking population know where they are and what they're doing. For the record, I'm a straight, heterosexual male with 3 children. None of whom have fallen "prey" to the public or private school "homosexual agenda."
Cale, oklahoma city - Mar 18, 2008 10:42 PM
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Yes, according to new statistics, that is true. It is also true that the many "abstinence only" programs so loudly touted by I'm sure many on this board, DO NOT WORK. There are higher rates of STDs now than there were prior to AO "education," which is not education at all, but simply amounts to sticking one's head in the sand. And let's not forget, STD are not reserved for degenerates. All it takes is a woman to be raped once, or a spouse to have a one-night "oops" with another spouse, or a couple of drunk (or not drunk) kids to sleep with the wrong person, and bingo, you're hit. Did you know that condom use among homosexuals is higher than it is among heterosexuals? Blaming societal ills on the gay populace is not going to solve problems. Look at the "hetero" role models our young girls have these days. Certainly not squeaky clean by any sense of the imagination. The moral decay of this society started coming along with Elvis, and then the sexual revolution of the late 60s. Both of these things happened way before the hetero camp claimed there was a "gay agenda." I choose to accept what we're given and find a means of educating and teaching around it as opposed to trying to keep people ignorant. Ignorance only leads to more degenerate action.
lanez, Edmond - Mar 18, 2008 10:39 PM
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Jenifer, you are correct. There are many deviant sex acts. Homosexuality is just one of many.
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:36 PM
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toby - We all enjoy expressing our opinions and thanks to our military that provides that protection for that right.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:34 PM
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Mark, Tim, Jack, John, Roger, et al, Hey guys, thanks for the back and forth public discourse. It was fun. Gotta hit the sack and get ready for work. I think we can all agree that we are going to disagree on some things.....
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 10:32 PM
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Jenifer - you are exactly right. Do you realize that 1/4 of all teenage girls has std? Sexual degenerates will finish what HIV started - but hey, whatever makes them happy.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:21 PM
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Tim, Good for him!!! LOL.
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 10:16 PM
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Tim, what about teabagging? What about wife swapping (and no, I'm not talking about the television show). What about s&m, scat and countless other "unnatural" acts that take place daily among the hetero populace? Seriously, if you think kinky sex is solely a "gay thing," thing you are truly ignorant.
lanez, Edmond - Mar 18, 2008 10:16 PM
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Mark, I got your drift. Maybe that explains the earthquakes in San Fransico and New Orleans getting wiped out by Katrina. I'm sure some people really believe that.
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 10:14 PM
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Toby, thanks for your concern. I feel pretty confident that nature is on the right course in my household. My son has more game with the ladies as a 6 year old than his old man ever did. LOL!
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:14 PM
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Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:12 PM
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If gay folks are "normal" and the homosexual lifestyle is "normal" then why don't some of you nice gay folks out there explain to the general populace what 'oystering' and 'shrimping' means in the gay world? We'll just let the general population decide if these acts are normal.
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:11 PM
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Tim, I'm sure Dick Cheney gave that same self-righteous speech to his daughter. For your sake, I hope you have better luck.
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 10:11 PM
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Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:09 PM
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Roger, are you gay? The world is dealing with HIV EVERY DAY and its spreading. If that's offensive to you - too bad.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:08 PM
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Dear LGBT activists and members,
You can call for the resignation of Sally Kern all you want. Who knows, you might even be successful. You can parade your gay lifestyle in public and prostitute the liberal left to push your gay agenda. You can try to influence my kids in many ways and I am aware of that. However, you cannot influence me! Unfortunately for you, I have more influence over my children than you do. I am closer to them than you are, and I spend significantly more time on their well being. I am their mentor and role model. The fact that I am teaching my children that homosexuality is wrong is more damaging to your cause than anything Sally Kern had to say. Too bad there isn't a damn thing you can do about it!
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 10:06 PM
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Roger, Moore, Enough said. Your little gay feelings are hurt. I can tell. By the way, Wagoners a great city to live in, so you can keep you and yours right where you are. Thanks.
Jack, Wagoner - Mar 18, 2008 10:06 PM
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toby - many times we have been hit, my sarcastic point was maybe the care free life style we tolerate is a result of it.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:06 PM
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Mark are you able to make it through a day w/o the consequences of gay folks affecting it?...Seems most days I am able to
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 10:06 PM
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John - They dont want to understand or acknowledge the consequences of their acts on the populace - that would be hurtful.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:03 PM
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"What is it that the Gay Community doesn't understand?"...They don't understand why people that aren't that way think they know more about it than they do...Similar to white folks saying they understand what it is to be black more than they do
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 10:03 PM
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Mark, How many times has OKC been hit?
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 10:02 PM
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Jane said "Mark, Jesus said only a very small number of the Jewish laws pertained to Gentiles. You're supposed to start with that "Matthew" book, unless you plan on wearing all cotton and avoiding shrimp forever." Uh, the book of Romans IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. And would Jesus dispute the word of his father through the prophets - I dont think so.
For reference:"Ok, let me fan the flames a bit. If you have a Bible look these up: Leviticus 18 v22-24 Leviticus 20 v13 Romans 1 v22-28 - No wonder liberals hate religion."
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 10:01 PM
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AIDS is not a gay disease. it is a Sexually Transmitted Disease. That means it is transmitted by behavior. It got to "normal" folks by way of the bisexual bridge. The Gay Canadian flight attendant who brought it here spread it through his gay and bisexual sex partners and then to us. Now there's a drug-resistent virus that is dominantly among young gay men and the CDC said it is only a matter of time before it reaches the general populace.
What is it that the Gay Community doesn't understand?
John, Bixby - Mar 18, 2008 9:55 PM
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Because it's so small?
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 9:54 PM
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Roger, Moore - How many times has Wagoner been hit by tornadoes? I wonder why.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:52 PM
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Jack...Wagoner may be a good city for you to live in judging from your posts on here
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 9:44 PM
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Bill,"In God We Trust" first appeared on coins in 1864. On paper money in 1957. You can hardly attribute that to the founding fathers. And I agree you are entitled to your opinion on Sally Kern.
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 9:43 PM
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Tim - already stated the obvious, as hurtful as it is to the gay lobby.

Roger - they do by the millions? Im sure you can prove it and wow think about the problems of anal retention.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:42 PM
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Wow. Sally Kern please don't give in to these idiots. It's ok for you idiots to stick your same sex tongues in each others mouths when the cameras are rolling. It's ok for you idiots to fill each other up in public, in front of our young children no less. But let one person out of 3.5 million voice concern over it and the poor feelings are scarred for life. Get over it. It's ok with the freaks to be a freak.
Jack, Wagoner - Mar 18, 2008 9:41 PM
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Mark, while were at it, we need to explain procreation and how it requires one each from the opposite sex. The gays can bitch and complain all they want, but it still doesn't change the fact that it took two heterosexuals to get them here!
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 9:35 PM
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"Perhaps we need to add curriculum in our school biology classes that explain what the butt is for, how it works, and what happens when you violate Nature's design."...May want to explain that to the millions of heterosexuals who don't understand what it's for either Mark
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 9:34 PM
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"Sally Kern only said what 90% of the population wants to say."...Very sad if that's true...Hate to think that many people ignore what 100% of the homosexual population say about themselves...Ridiculous to think the guy on Sunday mornings knows more about their situations than they do
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 9:32 PM
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Perhaps we need to add curriculum in our school biology classes that explain what the butt is for, how it works, and what happens when you violate Nature's design.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:29 PM
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To Chris in New York. I guess the country not being founded on Christian principals is why the money you so gladly gather and spend has the words "IN GOD WE TRUST" on it and if you take a look I think most if not all the federal buildings have some reference to religion. I'm not pushing religion on anyone but I still believe homosexuality is wrong. Sally Kern was correct in my opinion which I certainly entitled to!
Bill, Paden - Mar 18, 2008 9:29 PM
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Im not Mark Shannon, if I were why would I bother with this? There are lots of heterosexuals who share the same views.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:23 PM
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So you don't like what Sally Kern said and you think it makes Oklahomans look like a bunch of hicks? Too bad, you can leave this great state anytime. Oh, and take your "life partner" with you when you leave!

She has the right to oppose your lifestyle and I commend her for not giving in to the hypocritic gay activists. Political correctness is a fad whose end is long overdue. Sally Kern only said what 90% of the population wants to say.
Tim, Yukon - Mar 18, 2008 9:20 PM
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I totally agree with Mark from OKC. In fact...I listened to Mark Shannon this afternoon and the same basic things almost to a tee was said....if this happens to be Mr. Shannon, I totally dug what you said today.....makes perfect sense and makes me wonder where the hell has people's common sense gone???
Jake, Cashion - Mar 18, 2008 9:16 PM
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OK time for dishing out instead of taking it. After watching the PFLAG video it is crystal clear why they ended up choosing a gay life style.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:13 PM
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Jeanne - How can you be so hate filled and intolerant? Only gay activists have that self-proclaimed right. LOL
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:10 PM
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Jeanne, you're exactly the reason people think Oklahomans in general are backward hicks. You fit the mold precisely, thanks for keeping up why we're barely better than Mississippi.
J, Oklahoma city - Mar 18, 2008 9:07 PM
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Jeanne - How can you be so hate filled and intolerant? Only gay activists have that self-proclaimed right. LOL
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 9:07 PM
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I'll bet if Rep. Kern had time to waste reading all these postings, she would laugh her head off! All she is trying to say is that society will be facing a moral downfall if certain behaviors are allowed to persist. GET IT? I am so thankful to Rep. Kern for sparking this debate, rather than let your sick lifestyle silently infiltrate our world.
Jeanne, Edmond - Mar 18, 2008 9:02 PM
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I do not support Kerns or the comments she made. HOWEVER, it is MORE offensive to have gays destroy the very flag that represents this great country by replacing red and white stripes with their GAY colors. Look at yourselves on television, it is everything to be ashamed of.
M., Moore - Mar 18, 2008 8:57 PM
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Haha I love you gay liberal activists, you really make me laugh. No hypocrisy or spin is too great, no lie is too bizarre, and the norm is now abnormal. Your very existence is a contradiction to your practices and your conception. Now having said that I do not hate gays, but I resent not having the right to oppose the very practices you promote no matter how you got there. Yet, let Ms. Kern express her constitutional right and opinion she is evil while you people are ready to hang her. You hypocrites! She don't play your PC games anymore and you can't handle it.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 8:52 PM
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for all you gays, lesbo's, cross dressers, she doesn't have to or shouldn't be forced to resign. we have freedom of speech in this country. i guess she is wrong because she happens to disagree with your queer lifestyle. well get over it. you people make me sick.
mark, amarillo - Mar 18, 2008 8:45 PM
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If it is all right to burn the flag as expression of free speech, it is all right for her to say whatever she pleases as an expression of free speech. The First Amendment does not protect freedom of intelligent speech, just speech. Don't like it? Change it, leave it or live with it. Inevitably, ignorance will out, so to speak, like "The lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community has the right to disagree publicly with Sally Kern," he said. "In fact, it is our moral imperative." MORAL IMPERATIVE? From homosexuals? Now that's "levity-cus!"
Percy, Ardmore - Mar 18, 2008 8:38 PM
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Mark, if you are basing your beliefs on Evolution, then yes, homosexuality would be considered an evolutionary dead-end and thus could be considered abnormal behavior. Yet, homosexual tendencies occurs throughout the animal kingdom regardless of brain size. Therefore, you would have to conclude that it is a naturally occuring phenomenon. Which leads us to the mother of all questions. Do people "choose" to be homosexual, or is it biological? My personal opinion is that some people are just "wired" that way. We are what we are. When I was a kid in school, I don't remember ever having to make a choice to be straight or gay. I just know the older I got, the more I liked girls. That's just the way I'm wired. Who's to say homosexuals aren't wired the other way? And before we bring God and the Bible into this, if Jesus was anything, he was compassionate and tolerant of other people.....
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 8:33 PM
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Isn't she exactly the scary nut you'd expect to find here in Oklahoma? And she was a teacher-! Wow!
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 8:30 PM
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Justice for All - Even those you hate.
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 8:28 PM
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Mark, Jesus said only a very small number of the Jewish laws pertained to Gentiles. You're supposed to start with that "Matthew" book, unless you plan on wearing all cotton and avoiding shrimp forever.
Jane, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 8:27 PM
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resign, ms kern. today. you are an embarrassment to oklahoma & the united states. you make ms sick.
michael, walnut creek - Mar 18, 2008 8:07 PM
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Ok, let me fan the flames a bit. If you have a Bible look these up:
Leviticus 18 v22-24
Leviticus 20 v13
Romans 1 v22-28
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No wonder liberals hate religion.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 7:38 PM
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Stick to your guns Sally, we have a radical homosexual agenda up here in MA too. Did you ever wonder how a. huffington got her last name?
rod, upton - Mar 18, 2008 7:25 PM
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If Winston Churchill was right according to Benjamin then all of you posting here are fanatics. People can't you just agree to disagree nobody is winning this war of opinion.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Mar 18, 2008 7:20 PM
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toby - sure you are. Islamic radicals hate gays more than we mere infidels. Abnormal is the opposite of normal, in this case normal is the capacity of heterosexuals to procreate, where no specie in Nature with a brain that practices a same sex life style can. Why do you think the gay agenda is so active in public schools?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 7:10 PM
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Mark, if you believe Kern's "facts" that the homosexual agenda is more dangerous than islamic terrorist, that then speaks volumes for you. BTW, I'm heterosexual, married, and have children. Would that be a normal or abnormal lifestyle to you?
Mike, what does any of this have to do with the flag being red, white and blue?
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 7:04 PM
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Thank you Paula...I was just curious if you knew the "reasons" for the treaty. I enjoy reading history and was not making an arguement for or against Christianity. By the way, the current book I am reading, "The Movement and the Sixties" devotes a couple pages to the beginnings of the "Gay Rights Movement." Among Americans in the 60's, Time Magazine reported that "homosexuals seem fairly bizarre." And Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver "denounced homosexuality as evil."
Of course the 60's were much different than today...yet it seems some things just haven't changed that much.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 7:03 PM
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Rob never said only gays are allowed to disagree with opposition. There were 300 people at a rally, in the middle of the day, in the middle of the work week, to disagree publicly with remarks Ms. Kern made publicly. Feel free to rally 300 of your supporters to do the same. No one is stopping you.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 6:58 PM
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Mark, the rage I've seen here comes mostly from those who are screaming at the gay community and straight allies to shut up. Kern doesn't speak from facts, she speaks from misinformation. And Mike, "Attorneys, Dr. Bills, Child support, and broken homes" are all more rampant in the heterosexual community than in the gay community. Maybe Ms. Kern would be interested in addressing those issues as related to the heterosexuals in this state?
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 6:55 PM
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Rob Howard "The lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community has the right to disagree publicly with Sally Kern," he said. "In fact, it is our moral imperative."
Hmm, so its only the gay community who has the privilege and moral authority to publicly disagree with opposition?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 6:52 PM
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Last time I looked our FLAG was Red,White and Blue. Adultry,promiscuity,homosexuality are conditions of the HEART. These have all had adverse effects on society. VD,AIDs,Syhilis & Divorce are produced by these items. Ask me how these have any positive effect on any of our lives. Anyone want to add the cost of all of these items? Attorneys, Dr.Bills, Child support,& broken homes etc.etc.etc. Thanks Sally Kern, SCREAM IT EVEN LOUDER!
Mike, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 6:51 PM
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Isn't it amazing how Kern and her facts so enrages those who practice abnormal activities.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 6:45 PM
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Dennis, I don't see how that makes any difference. It does clearly state that the country was not founded on Christianity. It clearly conveys the intent of those who were alive when the country was founded. Regardless of the reason why the treaty was written, it still stands that the government of this country was not founded upon Christianity. I support your right to practice your religion as you wish, but I do not support your desire to impose it upon the country as a whole.
Paula, Midwest City - Mar 18, 2008 6:35 PM
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Dennis, do some more research on our founding fathers. They were not Christian. Most were Deist and Freemasons. Only Franklin had any teaching in Christianity and he rejected it when he was 15. Thomas Jefferson wasn't even a Deist. He was a self-described atheist.
toby, cyril - Mar 18, 2008 6:24 PM
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There are so many people missing the main points. What she said made her sound very stupid, and it is up to the people at the polls to decide her fate. It is sad that you can only express your viewpoint in today's world if you are on the minority. Because if you are on the majority, you will be considered wrong if your statement is stupid or intelligent it simply makes no difference. It is funny however that if a racially or stupid comment was made from a minority then it is considered their right. It works both ways people, regardless of the intelligence of the comment. Hey Chris, when the Rev. Al Sharpton makes just as stupid of a comment that is racially motivated are you as quick to quote the bible on his behalf, or is there a rally at the capitol. Of course not, because that is socially unacceptable in today's world. Everyone needs to realize that there are people with different opinions and everyone needs to live with that. The voters put her in and the voters need to take her out if they disagree.
Troy, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 6:22 PM
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Paula...the "Traety of Tripoli" was prepared, signed, and agreed to by the Congress "AFTER" our Country was established. Wasn't the intent and purpose of this Treaty to resolve the conflict between the United States and Algiers with regards to "piracy" on the high seas? I believe this was one of the first, if not in fact the very first, treaty with a Moslem country. Algiers wanted assurances that the United States would not attempt to advance/impose Christian beliefs on the faithful followers of Muhammad. They were not interested in being "evangalized." [[[Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.]]]
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Mar 18, 2008 6:18 PM
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"Now who is helping spread the germ..."...Mostly heterosexual females
ROGER, MOORE - Mar 18, 2008 6:13 PM
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The real issue here is not just Mrs Kern. I will not refer to her as Rep. Kern because she does not represent the views of this Great State or Nation. The issue also lies with every member of the Oklahoma Legislature, The Oklahoma Media, and citizens of this wonderful State who will tolerate her saying such biggoted and hateful things about American citizens. Yes Mrs. Kern, we are all tax paying, God fearing, flag waving Americans that are not asking for anything but to be treated as such. Take your comments and insert, African-American, Jew, Muslim, Hispanic, or any other ethnic or religious group and we would have World War III going on. Many celebrities and media personalities have said less and lost jobs & credibility yet the Oklahoma Legislature and Oklahoma media and its citizens have merely said "It's Free Speech". This is not Free Speech. There are many things today that are no longer accepted as "Free Speech" and this is one of them. I strongly question anyones values or claims