Kern finds defense at home
Husband, a minister, says he prays daily for her protection
Kern's husband says marriage bolstered despite distractions

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By Michael McNutt
Published: March 20, 2008

The Rev. Steve Kern says his marriage to his wife of 38 years has been bolstered despite the couple's receiving phone calls throughout the night and having at least one gay activist show up Sunday at his small inner-city church to take notes of his sermon.

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Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said she has received death threats and occasionally is escorted by a trooper to her state Capitol office, which has received about 27,000 e-mails since her anti-gay comments showed up on the Internet nearly two weeks ago.

Sally Kern said Wednesday it's been stressful since her comments drew widespread criticism from local and national gay rights organizations, many of whom have called upon her to resign if she doesn't apologize for calling homosexuality, among other things, a threat to America. "At the same time I have felt the prayers of people, I have felt the peace of my Lord and I haven't missed a lick of sleep,” she said. Despite all the distractions, Steve Kern said he is "totally, completely in support of my wife.”

He said he and his wife have always had a strong relationship.

"It's just drawn us even closer together,” he said. "I get up every morning early and pray for her protection and everything. Of course, there's a great deal of concern about her protection. Some of the phone calls that we've gotten at home have been questionable.” Sally Kern said a state trooper stationed at the state Capitol has escorted her most days as she entered the building.

"They felt like they wanted to do it, I didn't ask for it,” she said.

OSBI investigates
The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation continues to investigate alleged threats sent to Sally Kern, an agency spokeswoman said Wednesday.

Sally Kern said the number of encouraging letters and e-mails has grown the past week. She's appeared on several local and national radio shows.

"I am getting lots of support and I certainly appreciate it,” she said. Sally Kern said the most critical comments are coming from out of state while most support is coming from Oklahoma, where about 76 percent of voters in 2004 passed a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as consisting only of the union of one man and one woman.

Steve Kern said he and his wife are trying to maintain their everyday routine.

Steve Kern, pastor of Olivet Baptist Church, 1201 NW 10, the past 12 years, said the controversy over his wife's comments has united his congregation of about 130 members.

He said he wasn't alarmed when he recognized a member of the Oklahoma Stonewall Democrats, a gay rights group, at his church. He said he remembered him when his wife tried to get a bill passed two years ago that would have required libraries to move books with homosexual or explicit sexual material to adult-only sections. "I'm not saying anything that I have to apologize for or be afraid to say because we don't hate homosexuals, we want to help them,” he said. "We want them to find the forgiveness of God just like everybody else. We're not here to condemn them.”

Steve Kern said he hopes eventually "some semblance of normalcy” will return.

This Sunday is Easter, and the pastor said he takes comfort in recalling what Jesus Christ went through before His resurrection.


 


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To those that believe homosexuality is born and not induced by behavior, take the time and honestly look at all the facts. Stop making excuses for the way you decide to live. Stand up for yourself and take responsibility and proudly proclaim that you chose to live that way of life and not forced to do so because you are born that way. For those that take the path that science has proven one way or the other, just remember how often science has been wrong. For those that believe homosexuals can’t change, I’ve got some news for you…they can. To say it is harmful, get real…if you don’t want to change, fine, but don’t dishonor those that now have decided to live a different life.
T, PV - Apr 11, 2008 at 9:06 am
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Exodus is a dangerous organization hell bent on "reforming" the homosexual and turning them straight. This "reparative therapy" is dangerous, any psychological association worth anything will tell you this. Do some research. Many former leaders of groups such as this one have quit this type of work and apologized for the damage they have caused people. And most of the people they converted from programs like that will tell you that they never stopped being gay, they only pretended to be straight. Many even married and had children, but still continued to have secret gay affairs. Sexual orientation can't be forced to change. Homosexuality can't be "cured" any more than heterosexuality can be. It's not a disease.
BBJ, Midwest City - Mar 30, 2008 at 10:36 pm
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I don't know if this thread is still viewed, but there's so much I'd like to say to Darren if he still comes to this site. Darren I do know of individuals who are free from homosexuality. Are you familiar with Exodus International? EI is a nonprofit organization that promotes the freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ. Exodus has more than 150 ministries in over 17 countries. They even have an annual freedom conference in July. I can give you many more responses to your views, especially in the topic of scripture, and would welcome dialogue with you.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Mar 28, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Darren - you can rant all you want. Yes I WILL USE GOVERNMENT to promote what I believe. Hello? Are you really that ignorant? What kind of idiot would not want to elect people who have the same beliefs & values? Love the sinner, hate the sin. I don't hate gay people, but I refuse to act like I think it's ok just because high horse people like yourself like to try to twist everything around and use a bunch of double talk. You're a waste of my time - have a great day.
Cari, Yukon - Mar 27, 2008 at 10:18 am
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"Unfortunately, the homofascist"

Wow, that's an incredible term. So, now calling for equality and justice is "fascism"? That's really warped.

"just don't want to change a meaning,"


No, marriage will continue to mean EXACTLY the same as it always has, all that's changing is the elimination of a discrimination that exists for no good reason at all in government recognition of these marriages which are ALREADY taking place.

"they want to redraw a line in the sand of morality."

And it's desperately needed. The idea that homosexuality is somehow "immoral" was ALWAYS wrong, and it's not just wrong but dangerous and destructive, causing real serious harm to a lot of people for no good reason at all.

"and our perception of what is right and what is wrong. Who knows, may be that subject will come up in another discussion forum. Enjoy."

It'll come up EVERYWHERE, because the idea that homosexuality is just "wrong" is fading FAST, disappearing with very very good reason. It harms nobody. It is not chosen, and a person who is gay cannot choose to change their orientation, there is no such thing as a former homosexual. It's been shown to be perfectly natural and normal for some people to be gay. And those claiming scriptural backing for the idea that it's "wrong" are being shown to be wrong, too. Just as the church, black and white, had a leadership role in the elimination of racism it's time for Christians to stand up and fight against bigotry and homophobia and for a society where ALL people are valued and respected.
Darren, Columbia - Mar 27, 2008 at 10:05 am
"The threat is an emotional, mental one."


Hogwash. There's NOBODY harmed AT ALL by this.

"Weaving the perverted ideas of human relationships being between same sex partners into our childrens minds."


First off, it is NOT perverted. This is a proven scientific fact. Secondly, the "ideas" being "woven into the minds of young people" indicates that you STILL will not face this simple proven FACT that people do not choose sexual orientation. Teaching kids the facts about human sexuality will not cause a single kid, not ONE, to "turn gay." And teaching the most hateful, bigoted, trashiest lies about how horrible and "unnatural" and "perverted" and whatever else will not cause a SINGLE KID to "turn straight."

"it's not just about marriage. It's about the natural order of things."


And it is absolutely natural for some people to be gay and some to be straight, it's how God created us.

"If homosexuality were the way God intended, there would be NO reproduction."


WHAT???

That's DAFT!! That's just...utter ridiculous nonsense. What on EARTH are you babbling about? Of course God intended there to be homosexuality or it wouldn't exist. That some are straight and some aren't, that straight people make babies, that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it. Good grief, that's just weird.

"People twist & cloud the issues to try to hide the fact that homosexuality is wrong."

It's not a "fact" it is a bigoted opinion with ZERO backing in scripture or decency or logic.

"Yes, that is my belief. And yes, I have the right to that belief as well as the right to voice & share that belief."

And others have the right to share and voice the belief that your belief is bigoted, hateful, immoral, destructive, and wrong.
What you do NOT have is the "right" to use government to promote your hateful lies, nor do you have the "right" to demand that churches teach them. Nor do you have a "right" to demand, based upon these "beliefs" to have government discriminate against people because you don't like them.
Darren, Columbia - Mar 27, 2008 at 10:00 am
The threat is an emotional, mental one. Weaving the perverted ideas of human relationships being between same sex partners into our childrens minds...it's not just about marriage. It's about the natural order of things. If homosexuality were the way God intended, there would be NO reproduction. People twist & cloud the issues to try to hide the fact that homosexuality is wrong. Yes, that is my belief. And yes, I have the right to that belief as well as the right to voice & share that belief.
Cari, Yukon - Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32 pm
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For those interested, there's a rally to SUPPORT Sally Kern at noon, on April 2nd on the 2nd floor of the State Capitol Bldg.
Cari, Yukon - Mar 26, 2008 at 12:28 pm
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Great post, Melissa!
Mark, Oklahoma City - Mar 22, 2008 at 9:32 pm
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Maybe its because I'm Canadian and we already recognize "common-law relationships", but are you really arguing over a word (marriage)? In my country the only difference between a common-law relationship and a marriage is a piece of paper and the fact that a divorce is required to end it. Common law partners still enjoy the same rights and rules as married people (tax breaks, division of assets on fracture of contract, etc), they just go without the initial ceremony to seal the deal. We have plenty of gay friends, including my husband's Uncle and his friends and friends in our Air Force, who live in common law situations and love what it means. Marriage really is a religious concept but that shouldn't be absolute. I spent 2 years studying religion with doing my BA and I've learned that I can't support any religion based solely on faith. Not saying I don't believe in God, that wouldn't be fair (I have no proof either way), I'm just saying I have a tough time bowing down to someone who I believe may be nothing more than a creation of men for their own purposes. This being said, I still got married in order to commit myself to the man I love, and a good thing I did; we couldn't have moved here together for 4 years if we didn't. Shouldn't civil unions be banned if this argument was really about marriage being a religious endevour? I suppose I have a tough time making an argument here because the people of the opposition are playing by rules that they believe in based on faith while I question their validity. Citing the bible is not ever going to bring a resolution to this, its impossible. Its like the Americans telling Islamic terrorists that bombing us and their own people is morally wrong and not the way to go about resolving differences, all the while these terrorists are playing by their own rules too. I moved to the "buckle of the bible belt" for my job (4-yr term) and I see people divorcing and having affairs all the time... isn't this a bigger threat to the "moral fibre of America" than two people who love each other WANTING to get and stay married?
Mellissa, oklahoma city - Mar 22, 2008 at 10:43 am
Calvin, I personally think you are correct on the Constitution part...as far as I can tell. From my friends point of few, they do not want to touch the sanction of the meaning of "Marriage"...they simply want to enjoy the benefits, and live a happy life joined together as a happy couple. But, I do disagree with your idea on homofascist. Unfortunately, the homofascist just don't want to change a meaning, they want to redraw a line in the sand of morality...and our perception of what is right and what is wrong. Who knows, may be that subject will come up in another discussion forum. Enjoy.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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Mardy...I agree that semantics have caused a great deal of confusion in this debate. But to say that someone is a homofascist because they want to expand a definition seems inaccurate. The idea that "one man plus one woman equals marriage is fundamentally a religious concept. The Constitution doesn't allow us to use gender specific terms when determining how the government will treat its citizens. I don't know how homosexuals feels about a proposal that would grant them status as a "union". However, it is Constitutionally repugnant to treat them differently. Again, it is not my position to change what religions call their unions in their rites and ceremonies. I believe the Constitution would be satisfied if the government referred to all unions as simply that, regardless of the participants' genitalia.
Calvin, Oklahoma City - Mar 21, 2008 at 1:54 pm
So I listened to the much debated speech of Ms Kerns last night on youtube and she said that societys that have accepted homeosexuals have failed, i would really like to know what socitys she is referring too.
Jennifer, Norman - Mar 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The whole point is she called homosexuals a threat to America. She compared them to terrorists, Osama bin Laden. Really? Why can't we all just live and let live? My gay friends aren't going to fly planes into your World Trade Center! Timothy McVeigh wasn't gay either. And yes, people have reacted with threats of violence. Are they community leaders of any sort? Doubt it. They're fanatics who are sadly being led by emotion rather than what is right. It's Sally Kern's right to say what she thinks, but as a leader in our state, she should maintain tolerance. Do I agree with what she said? Definitely not. Is that my opinion, and my right as an American? Absolutely.
Ashley, Yukon - Mar 21, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Calvin...the Constitution was also based on spiritual beliefs...but that is beside the point. Basic rights should be extended to all groups of life...so long as they are not breaking the law. As far as Marriage goes, people are missing the point. And, I think people are word-smithing way too much. There is a biblical answer to this, but I am sure you may not want to hear it. The short answer, Gay’s should be given the right to come together as loved ones as a “union”, and provided all the rights thereof. The root of the issue is the homofascist that want to destroy the meaning of “Marriage”. They are not happy with the fact they can get a “union” passed in American Courts in a heart beat…most Americans could care less (I think). It is the attack on “Marriage”, and the meaning thereof is what the issue is all about. And that is the shame in all this. You have a very small group in the homosexual world (homofascist) that are actually doing more harm for the homosexuals than anyone else. They (the homofascist) are the homosexuals worst enemy. Just like the homophobes are the worst enemy for Christians…and there are a lot of homophobes as Christians.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm
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I'm glad I could bring some levity to your thoughts, Mardy, but actually, I am not a believer in any religion. I think they are all reflections of Stone Age ignorance. Insofar as the bible is purported to be "the word of god" I can only shrug my shoulders and wonder why anyone would believe that. As for Jesus, the person, when someone shows even a scintilla of evidence to support the premise that he ever existed as a flesh and blood person, then I'll look into it further. For purposes of this discussion; however, I think it more important to look to the US Consitution for guidance. Clearly, that document stands for equality among all US citizens. To deny any right to one insular group based upon one's suspect interpretation of a baseless document not only runs afoul of the 1st amendment's establishment clause, but the equal protections guaranteed by the 14th & 15th amendments. Please do not misunderstand me, I do not advocate forcing churches/synagogues/mosques to accept homosexuality. Frankly, I don't care what they do. But to deny a basic civil right to any US citizen is unconstitutional, unamerican and elitist. Surely, you can see how marriage is a basic civil right, not to mention the promise of the pursuit of happiness.
Calvin, Oklahoma City - Mar 21, 2008 at 11:52 am
Calvin, you are too funny. You actually made me smile. I am a FIRM believer, as my post state often but people seem to ignore it, that judgment only comes from God. He is the judge, and we are not. Your statement is getting old, and that is the only statement you have to go on...dusty old versus? LOL...There are certain things that Jesus did in fact inform his believers, and he scolded the elders, that we should not follow anymore because of certain reasons...but he did NOT take away everything in the Old Test. Do your research and find out what they were. God has rules that we need to follow. Jesus addressed them as well. I no longer associate myself with any Religion. I don't follow man, but I do follow God. I, however, visit many different Churches of different views and beliefs. And, I enjoy them all that preach and teach Jesus...this includes the Gay Churches. Shocking huh...then again, I don't judge!
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 11:30 am
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Hey Mardy...how long have you been a Hasidic Jew? I thought you "Christians" followed Jesus, not Moses. Leviticus is about as relevant to this discussion as the price of eggs in China. Are you aware that there are 6-7 versus in the bible that can even be construed to address this issue? That's out of millions of versus. Furthermore, if you use any of the "old law", you must use all of it. That means you'll have to be stoning your neighbors for adultery or having sex during menstruation? Do you realize that by enforcing these arcane & ignorant rules you are requiring childless widows to have sex with their brother in law? Husbands can have sex with prostitutes, but wives can't? It should be apparent to anyone paying even the slightest honest attention to this matter that the bible is a book about god---not sex. It is beyond ridiculous to quote those dusty old versus at all, much less to make a point about modern sexuality. Here's a simpler way of looking at it: If you don't want to have sex with a member of your gender, then don't. Judgment is not your commission from Jesus, love is.
Calvin, Oklahoma City - Mar 21, 2008 at 11:11 am
Great post Paris! I like it alot, and there is a lot of truth in it.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 10:03 am
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Ms Kerns has a right to voice her opinion...It is our right not to agree with her or agree with her which ever is you choice...Jesus did not address homosexuality...Does that make it OK..I don't know and neither does anyone else....Quit using the bible to justify your point of view..Jesus was a loving forgiving man...some of you people are the most hateful people I have ever seen...No wonder Christianity is being pushed aside...Do you think Jesus would condone your hatefulness? This is a free country, we can all have our own thoughts and voice our opinions, rejoyce that you can. I know many Christian Gay people who would give anything to be hetrosexual and others who don't give a hoot what anyone thinks. I don't want to know anything about anyone's sex life out side of my own. Alway the terms Liberal and Conservitive is brought into any conversation. Let's just say Clinton did it!!! This whole topic is totally stupid. If you don't like the woman don't vote for her.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Mar 21, 2008 at 9:57 am
AND for those that are going to question Genesis 19:5-8...The KJV does not say sex, but states a phrase "that we may know them". Lot mentions: Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man. The statement "known" or "know" in that time referred to sex or having sex (you have to go back to the root definition in the Greek translation). Again, don't take my word for it, please do your own research. In my original post, I did not use the KJV, but another translation of the Bible. Therefore, the wording is not the same, but the meaning is. Therefore, if your Bible has a different translation than what I put down, just do your research. Enjoy.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 9:34 am
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PLEASE note that in 1Cr 6:9 it does not say homosexual in some Bible translations. The King James does not state this. It states: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. The point is, don't take what I wrote and run with it...study it for yourself. Draw to your own conclusion and don't let anyone tell you different.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 9:18 am
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In response to Ollie, Oklahoma City: Ollie, yes the bible does mention word for word what homosexuality is..the definition of it, but not the actual word homosexuality. It condemns it, but over the years individuals have watered down God's Word and even will try to use His Holy Word to justify their sins. IT REALLY doesn't matter though. It should NOT matter to us, because we are not the Judge, but God Himself is. We should simply share His Word, and then let individuals chose the path they decide to walk. I have very close friends that are homosexual, and they respect me for my beliefs because I do not judge them or push my view on them. And, I respect them because they do not force their view on me. When asked by them, I shared with them my knowledge, and then let it be. It is their decision, not mine...I've done my part according to God's Word. As of today, we still go golfing together, we go to clubs together, home parties, and so on. They live their life, and I live mine. It is a shame other people in this world cannot grasp that idea. Anyway, here are the scriptures you were referring to. Hope they are helpful: 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.' (Leviticus 18:22). 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (Romans 1:26-27). Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5). Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 1:9-10). Enjoy, and I hope you study them.
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 9:08 am
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In response to K, Edmond: K, why do you say I protest way too much? What am I protesting? I am reading incorrect statements on this post and other posts, and I am posting factual information for people to research. Is that protesting? I am so versed on homosexuality, like I am versed on other subjects that are on the hot seat of America. I simply like to inform myself, and make sure I have the knowledge of the subject, so that I am not tricked into believing something just because someone says it. Is that wrong?
T, PV - Mar 21, 2008 at 8:54 am
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Sally Kern reminds me of Dana Carvey's Church Lady.. ugh. She is such a Self righteous hypocrite. Darren, I love your posts. Mardy, 'me thinks you protest too much' .. why are you so versed on homosexuality anyway? hmmmmmmm

Finally, the Gay Death Threats are a HOAX... they have found ONE comment out of thousands upon thousands of messages from people who condemn this close minded bigot that insinute a death threat. Gays haven't threatened her. I'm not gay and I can't stand Sally Kern, I wish she would go away, far, far away. She has done more to set OK back than all the glove wearing roosters combined. We are, thanks to her, the laughing stock of the nation. Sally Kern does NOT speak for all of Oklahoma! We are embarrassed and ashamed of her comments.

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