Choice based solely on Sutton
However some say that athletic director wants to talk to coaches whose teams are still playing
Choice based solely on Sutton

By Andrea Cohen
Published: March 31, 2008

Oklahoma State men's basketball has been playing the waiting game for nearly two weeks now.

It's kind of like a post-post season for those following the situation of Sean Sutton's job status. Only the waiting game, which started when OSU ceased playing in the NIT on March 18, isn't much fun for anybody involved.

Make no mistake: OSU athletic director Mike Holder is making a decision. And he's taking his time with that decision. So naturally, the question has become: What's taking so long?

Given the length of time that has passed between the end of the season and an announcement of some kind — and an announcement should be made either way at this point — media and fans have speculated that Holder's decision includes a third party (or multiple third parties). More than one media outlet has suggested that the 13-day limbo is dragging on because coaches Holder wants to speak with about the job are still coaching. The reasoning goes: If Holder definitely wanted to keep Sutton, he would have said so by now. If he definitely wanted to fire him, he would have done that by now as well.

The athletic director said Sunday afternoon that is not the case.

"That's wrong,” Holder said. "I haven't talked to any coach, any agent, any search firms. Anybody saying any of that is absolutely false.”

When asked if his decision would be based 100 percent on Sutton, Holder said yes.

"And we haven't talked yet,” Holder said, adding that he has been out of town traveling with the women's basketball team and Sutton has been on the road recruiting. "I think we'll get together this week, sit down and talk about it.”

Holder, then, would dispute opinions like that of CBSsportsline.com national basketball writer Gary Parrish, who compared the situation in Stillwater to the way Arkansas fired Stan Heath last year. Arkansas, he said, waited more than a week to fire Heath — the longest any BCS school waited between the end of a season and a firing — because it thought it was wrapping up a deal with Billy Gillipsie behind the scenes.

Of course, that didn't work out, and Arkansas then had a highly-publicized (and somewhat messy) search before hiring John Pelphrey.

"I think Sean's in a similar situation,” Parrish said. "I don't think they're going to move him just to move him and open up a search.

"It's a tough situation to be in, because you're just sort of sitting there at the mercy of a (Kansas coach) Bill Self, a (Kentucky coach) Billy Gillispie, an Anthony Grant (Virginia Commonwealth's coach). If those guys want your job, they can have it. If not, maybe you can keep it. That's a tough spot to be in.”

Holder says that's not the situation Sutton is in, and he's the man who would know. But until something gets resolved this week, speculating season will drag on and on.

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Arron if you want to play with the Hogs..you guys could always move to the SEC.. Why should OSU move. You and Danny seem to think we are the ones that need to move. You all can leave anytime you want...that is - if you can convince the powers that be that you know everything there is to know.
Katie, Oklahoma City - Apr 1, 2008 7:03 PM
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Two years is long enough to evaluate a coach when the same things happen. I want Sean to succeed, but the signs are not pointing in that direction. The past two years OSU missed the NCAA, but were invited to the NIT and embarassed us all in how they played instead of taking advantage of the extra practices and games that could have made them better. Look at Wojcik, Tulsa's coach who had to get his players ready for a tournament called the CBI and is playing in the championship game (two out of three). They will have 5 or 6 extra game experience plus the practices. This is nothing to be ashamed of. A coach must be a motivator regardless of being the the best X's and O's coach in the country.
Bill, Tahlequah - Apr 1, 2008 2:27 AM
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Then what is the deal Patrick. Is two years hasty, hasn't he been doing all things behind-the-scenes for awhile. Are you impressed, do you think waiting is the best for your university? They aren't my team, but I do watch many of their games and they are losing any respect as a tough matchup night in and night out they used to have. You think I started this speculation. There is a problem is the mens basketball program at OSU if you do not know what it is and Sean's evaluation could not find; it is time for a overhaul. What are you scared of that a coach will come in and make the Suttons seem subordinate.
Arron, Holdenville - Mar 31, 2008 3:35 PM
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I had to re-check the by-line . . . I thought only Jenni wrote this speculation crap !
John, College Station - Mar 31, 2008 3:22 PM
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Yes, I've been an advocate of giving Sean another year, but one down side of that is that it drags out the uncertainty for another year. Not only would most recruits want to know who their coach is next season, but I'm sure it would also be nice to know with some degree of certainty who it will be for the next 2-4 years. If Holder's decision is "Sean gets one more year and it's win or else", that's not the most stable situation for a recruit either.
Patrick, Edmond - Mar 31, 2008 3:08 PM
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Agreed. I have family in Stillwater, and rumor are rampant about off-the-court issues. No need to delve into them, as who knows if they are true. Point being, all the questions aren't good for the program. History shows that kids are hesitant to come a school when there is no certainty who their coach will be next season.
OSU fan, Tulsa - Mar 31, 2008 2:47 PM
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I was mainly just using Arron's comment to lead into making a point. I know what he is and agree that's the best way to handle him. But yes, it sounds like we are in on some pretty good recruits and there really needs to be something definitive before the Spring signing period starts in two weeks. Not to read too much into it, but it is interesting that Gary Parrish, a national writer with no apparent bias would mention specific names, especially stratospheric ones like Self and Gillispie.
Patrick, Edmond - Mar 31, 2008 2:35 PM
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Sean Sutton absolutely deserves another year--two years and gone is totally unfair...especially in light of the embarrasement Eddie caused at the end of an otherwise stellar career--this in itself was a major distraction and deterrent and was not any fault of a good man and a good coach like Sean. Sean Sutton is no John Blake or Howard Shnelenberger (or however you spell his name).
Jim, Rockwall - Mar 31, 2008 2:32 PM
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Patrick, there is no reason to respond to Arron. He is an OU fan who likes to stir things up. However, on your point, I agree with you and R. This waiting game is frustrating. A decision needs to be made soon, one way or another.
OSU fan, Tulsa - Mar 31, 2008 2:08 PM
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r-Absolutely agreed. Though there may disagreement as to the means of getting there, those of us that are OSU fans all ultimately want the same thing. To get the program back to the high level to which we have become accustomed.
Patrick, Edmond - Mar 31, 2008 1:46 PM
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Patrick of Edmond. A succinct statement on the present situation. Whatever the decision, it should be done soon. (Personally, I believe the OSU athletic dept. is getting ready to offer someone an offer very difficult to refuse.) But whatever it is, let's get it over to end the division.
r, richardson - Mar 31, 2008 1:20 PM
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Arron-At this point, everybody posting on here about OSU basketball has pretty much made their positions on the matter clear. While I disagree with your position that Sean should be let go now, you (and many others) can make a viable case to the contrary and there is no point in arguing it any further. However, even if you disagree with the way OSU is handling many of the athletic department's decisions, I don't think you need to worry that they are settling for second best at anything. Granted, for decades OSU did seem to settle for mediocrity, but like it or not this is a new era in OSU sports. Mike Holder did not win 25 conference championships and eight national championships and build one of the best golf courses (Karsten Creek) in this part of the country because he settled for second best. Mr. Pickens did not get where he is in life by settling for second best and I seriously doubt that he is pumping hundreds of millions of his own money into the athletic department with the intent that OSU is going to settle for second best. If Sean is retained for another year, it won't be because they are settling. It will be because Holder evaluates the situation and determines that enough progress has been made and that he thinks Sean has the potential to get OSU basketball back on track. If Sean is let go after only two years, especially given his family's contribution to the program, then I think it's a really clear indication they are serious about getting OSU basketball back to being competitive on a conference and national level.
Patrick, Edmond - Mar 31, 2008 1:07 PM
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1. There may be behind the scenes reasons Sean is not doing well.
2. Did Sean kick 22% of his starters off the team even BEFORE coaching his FIRST GAME?
3. Did Sean switch offensive schemes from Iba style to Billy Tubbs style BEFORE coaching his FIRST GAME?
Put things in perspective and it's easy to see why Sean may not get an extension, raise, or maybe even another year.
jonathon, panhandle - Mar 31, 2008 12:57 PM
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Don from Guymon, you seem pretty dead on point. It would be ridiculous to fire ANY coach after only two years. Even with the problems, many people expected better results earlier on in the season. I will add that unless another debacle like the one this past off-season happens Sean needs to show definite improvement in order to get a fourth season. He has now two post players with D-1 experience, an improved senior point guard, the return of two juco players that should have an impact one in the post and the other as a shooting guard since he had the top 3-point percentage in juco when we recruited him, James Anderson should play like he did at the end of the season where he used his ball handling and dribbling to force opponents to defend all of his options, I could go on.

Essentially Sean has little excuse to not be in the top-5 of the big 12 which should give us an at-large bid to the dance. This would be similar to, but greater than, the improvement that Gundy made with the football team in his third season.

On a personal note I hate the favoritism given to Gundy. Sean is die-hard OSU just like Gundy. Both coaches inherited the program from great coaches that improved the standing of the team but then ruined the program with the manner in which they left (Eddie took us to the final four and Les got us close to the BCS, i.e. 9 win season, then Les Miles told recruits not to come to OSU and Eddie's drinking was just as much of a black eye). However, Sean has put us in tournament discussion in each of his first two seasons and Gundy is the only one of the two to has posted a losing record, not only a losing record but 4-7 and 1-7 in the big 12 which would be the equivalent to only winning two big 12 games in basketball. Yet, Gundy gets extensions and raises undeservedly and Sean gets nothing.
Trey, Stillwater - Mar 31, 2008 11:08 AM
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I haven't seen anything to make me believe he can keep OSU competitive in the Big 12. It is up to the program which direction the future of the Cowboys is going. I would like to see Big 12 and SEC swap the Hogs for the Cowboys; only if the Cowboys do not make they type of changes the makes it appear to me they won't settle for being second place. When Baylor strikes as much fear in the hearts of opponents as you; rennovations are required.
Arron, Holdenville - Mar 31, 2008 10:52 AM
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Does anyone really think it is going to get better for Sean Sutton at Oklahoma State? Two poor performance years, and now this "continued speculation" of replacement. Even if he could recruit the players needed for improvement, which by itself is extremely questionable, this drama has curtailed the possibility.
r, richardson - Mar 31, 2008 10:19 AM
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Holder: "I haven't talked to any coach, any agent, any search firms. Anybody saying any of that is absolutely false.”

Well of course not Holder, no one thinks that YOU would actually talk to anyone. But is SOMEONE ELSE doing the talking?

Holder didn't say that NO ONE associated with the Athletic Department has officially or unofficially spoken to anyone about the job.
A, oklahoma city - Mar 31, 2008 10:02 AM
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Based on Sutton's record of the last 2 years, he certainly doesn't deserve an extension or raise so maybe leave things as they are, no raise, no extension and see what happens next year. Don't hold your breath until it gets better.
Don, Guymon - Mar 31, 2008 9:56 AM
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