OSU athletic department spokesman Kevin Klintworth said a follow-up meeting has been planned. A call to Sutton was not immediately returned Monday evening.
Sutton just completed his second season as OSU's head basketball coach and has three years remaining on his contract. In his first two years, he compiled a 39-29 record and coached the Cowboys to back-to-back NIT appearances.
Holder declined to comment on Sutton's job throughout the season, saying repeatedly that all coaching evaluations will be made at the end of the season.
Despite Oklahoma State's season-ending loss two weeks ago, Monday was the first time the two sat down to talk.
Denying rumors that he is waiting to make a decision about Sutton until he speaks to other potential coaches, Holder said Sunday that his determination will be based solely on Sutton's performance.
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Even though both Steve and Steve-N posted almost concurrently, it really doesn't matter who you were talking to. You fly off the handle at someone who doesn't substantiate their claims, and then proceed to make baseless claims about "the major athletic sports departments at OU". Triple-posting your grammatically incorrect, misspelled drivel only makes it worse.
Thanks for the double click advice, Steven, but the webpage was screwed up. I wasn't even talking to you, scroll down and see that I said Steve. He is not you, you are STEVEN. Thanks. And your post makes no sense, and has little to do with what I was saying.
It will be a shame to give a 5 year contract, then after 2 years fire them. What fool coach will want to accept that type of deal then only have 2 years to perform. They will say, "and he was one of their own!"
Jacob - Maybe the OU folks are right. I graduated from OSU, but you jump to conclusions about my allegiance based on the tone of a comment. There is a difference between objectivity and criticism. You can juxtapose "rule-breaking" in Stillwater with OU all you want, but how 'bout somewhere like Kansas or Texas? How many times have you heard of Brandon Rush or DJ Augustin getting in trouble? Maybe my buddy Marcus Dove should get a mentor? And who on the current team is not one of Sean's recruits? Finally, before I forget, you need to take some of the advice I provided J earlier. You might double-click in windows, but you usually single-click on the web.
J in Tulsa: You must have mistaken me for someone else at McDonald's. I don't know many OSU alumni - or MBAs - that work there. I don't even eat there - unlike you, I prefer to use utensils.
Phil in Dallas...I'm with you 100%...It's unfortunate that this has happened...But this program needs to move forward...and fast...we need a proven winner, a coach with some personality and one who knows how to build a program. Then we need to keep them...Gundy should be next...He has a losing record in his three years as the head football...he needs to deliver this year or be gone...NO EXCUSES....Our School...My school...has to quit accepting mediocrity as the status quo....if we truly want to be a winning institution...then we need to do the things that winning institutions do.
I am an Alum and follower of A&M/OSU for 60+ years. If we are really interested in having a good basketball and football program, then go ahead and fire Sean Sutton, but at least fire Gundy. Gundy will never be more than a 500 coach who will take OSU to a NOTHING Bowl each year just because the Big 12 has to have a representative in a bowl. But don't fire Sean without firing Gundy. Then go out and get some big time coaches and give them the money to stay rather than come to a coaches graveyard. I'm sure if we had put the dollars out there and really got behind the program Les Miles would have stayed.
Phil
I am an Alum and follower of A&M/OSU for 60+ years. If we are really interested in having a good basketball and football program, then go ahead and fire Sean Sutton, but at least fire Gundy. Gundy will never be more than a 500 coach who will take OSU to a NOTHING Bowl each year just because the Big 12 has to have a representative in a bowl. But don't fire Sean without firing Gundy. Then go out and get some big time coaches and give them the money to stay rather than come to a coaches graveyard. I'm sure if we had put the dollars out there and really got behind the program Les Miles would have stayed.
Phil
I am an Alum and follower of A&M/OSU for 60+ years. If we are really interested in having a good basketball and football program, then go ahead and fire Sean Sutton, but at least fire Gundy. Gundy will never be more than a 500 coach who will take OSU to a NOTHING Bowl each year just because the Big 12 has to have a representative in a bowl. But don't fire Sean without firing Gundy. Then go out and get some big time coaches and give them the money to stay rather than come to a coaches graveyard. I'm sure if we had put the dollars out there and really got behind the program Les Miles would have stayed.
Phil
Is it possible that Holder is working to get his next coach in the fold before he pulls the trigger? I think OSU BB is a nice program, but is it a premier job nationally? Worst scenario would be to fire Sean and have to settle for a flyer. See Nebraska football after firing Solich.
Steve, funny you talk about OSU breaking rules. What were broken? All you have to do is look no further then the major athletic sports departments at OU to define "breaking rules". You, my OU friend, are a moron. Anyways, Sean needs one more year to prove if he can win with all his recruits. If they part ways, OSU better have a KNOCKOUT hire. If they don't, it will hurt OSU for a few years more.
Steve, funny you talk about OSU breaking rules. What were broken? All you have to do is look no further then the major athletic sports departments at OU to define "breaking rules". You, my OU friend, are a moron. Anyways, Sean needs one more year to prove if he can win with all his recruits. If they part ways, OSU better have a KNOCKOUT hire. If they don't, it will hurt OSU for a few years more.
Steve, you are talking about OSU breaking rules...Are you kidding me? Look no further then almost every major sport at OU if you want to talk about breaking rules, moron. My gosh, can't even believe the stupidity of OU fans sometimes. Anyways, Sean deserves another season, but rumblings of the Sutton's and Boone not getting along may play a role in what happens today or tomorrow. We will see. I say, with this young team, give Sean one more year. We did it in football, and Sean as proven he can recruit. Give him one more year.
j - "Is hiring a new coach now any less of a gamble than retaining Sean for one more season?" Yes J it's much LESS of a gamble. Because we know the results of Sean coaching this team - and they're not good. And what do you really think one more year is going to accomplish with Sweaty Sutton at the helm? There are no game-changing recruits coming in so we'll have Thomas and Adams in the post still. Eaton will still be turning it over 5-7 times per game. It'll be another NIT one-and-done. It's time for a change.
Irregardless of respective opinions on whether Sean Sutton should be granted another year, I believe the empirical evidence speaks for itself. The Oklahoma State athletic department has decided to explore other options. The time delay is just too great. Why would OSU go through all of this angst and division if its intentions were to retain the man? They would have completed some type of minimal, modest agreement and moved on.
J from Tulsa, I am not totally sold that 1 more year is too long. What if Sean has a decent year nexy year....one that isnt great but is at least okay? Then it would be hard to fire him after that and then 1 year has turned into 2 and then the cycle goes on. I think that Rod is crazy to give every Coach at least 4 years. That would be crazy for a good program to just lose 4 years because they want to give everyone a "shot." A good coach should be able to show quality improvement after 1-2 years. Look at Capel. His record isn't a ton better this year from last year, BUT it is obvious that his OU team has drastically improved this year. Yes they had many games that their offense was a no show, but with the overall improvement and the recruiting for this year....OU has improved a lot. The same cannot be said for the OSU program. It has not improved and there is no sign that it will in the near future.
Holder wants to do it softly because he knows his tail is up for chopping next. Does he really want to bet his future on Sean Sutton succeeding. From what I have seen if I were Holder, I would coach them myself or start interviewing for a new job, somewhere tropical. Who would want T-Bone looking over every shoulder anyway. It is a bad situation where if the wrong decisions are made it will be a longer road back. I don't think Sean has made any progress. They will be in the cellar of the Big 12 south if they retain Sutton. I don't like watching teams who lack whatever makes them sacrifice and play hard, that is OSU mens basketball the last 2 seasons. OU fell off some, but they got up and got it right back. Sean needs to consult with Switzer about how to motivate a young man, he can do it but he has to have the right help. All the money in the world can't but will and desire, or bring it out of a man. He needs to become someone who knows how. Then the rest will fall into place.
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J in Tulsa: You must have mistaken me for someone else at McDonald's. I don't know many OSU alumni - or MBAs - that work there. I don't even eat there - unlike you, I prefer to use utensils.
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Source close to the OSU program says Sean Sutton will resign.
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