Kern critics warn against using faith as wedge
Kern critics warn against using faith as wedge

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By Devona Walker
Published: April 2, 2008

As hundreds gathered Wednesday to support Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, at the state Capitol, fewer than a dozen others gathered separately, warning of the dangers of divisiveness and sectarian politics.

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Kern has said homosexuality was "the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam." Kern also cited her Christian faith as the basis for refusing to accept the gay lifestyle and attempts to expose the "gay agenda."

"Religion can be a positive force. It's intended to be a positive voice for folks who may not have a voice," said the Rev. Jeff Hamilton, head of the Interfaith Alliance of Oklahoma and a former state legislator. "The voice of religion should be speaking out against discrimination. ... my real worry is that in the legislative process, this sectarianism is used to institutionalize prejudice, institutionalize policies that affect negatively people on the margins of life. And that goes contrary to the Christian point of view and Jesus of Nazareth.

"You're entitled as a Christian to have your beliefs even though your factual basis is not sound, but you cannot cloak yourself in holiness and claim that everything you say is factually correct or biblically correct."

Tearing down the signs

Members of Parents and Friends of Gay and Lesbians, the Respect Diversity Foundation, the Cimarron Alliance and Oklahomans for Equality said they want to elevate the public debate waging between their camp and Kern's legislative office.

"My parents are alive today because of the actions of three Christians," said Michael Korenblit, president of the Respect Diversity Foundation.

Korenblit's parents narrowly survived the Holocaust, helped to safety by three Americans. At least one of his parents' saviors was killed by the Nazis for helping them escape. Years later, Korenblit asked children of the man who saved his parents why he risked his life for strangers.

"They told me he was a deeply religious man," Korenblit said, adding that his religious convictions led him to incontrovertible bravery and sacrifice.

Korenblit said his father was confused when he came to pre-civil rights movement Oklahoma, when segregated water fountains, restaurants and buses were commonplace.

"He couldn't understand. 'How could they come to Germany to save me, and then treat people within their own country this way?'

"But guess what, those colored water fountain signs came down, and this will too," he said.

Are attitudes changing?

Jeremy Howard, 30, a Norman businessman, said there is a generational element to Kern's words and the subsequent rhetoric that is neither relevant to younger generations nor will be tolerated in the future.

"Even as a good old boy from rural Oklahoma, who grew up in ignorance, I am now an indication that Oklahoma is on the upswing, and our attitudes reflect that change," Howard said. "As ugly as it was, this allows us to begin the dialogue about who we are as Oklahomans and what we believe in."

The small group of gay rights supporters spoke about how religious doctrine is interpreted differently and sometimes misinterpreted or used to wedge people apart.

They asked whether the Kern incident would have long-term consequences for a state trying to reinvent itself. In the end, they agreed past divisions would not play a part of the future.

"I think this Sally thing is a last gasp," Hamilton said.


 


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And what about those of us who just don't believe in your god or your bible? Why should we abide by your beliefs? Politically, despite what Sally Kern might spout, we're all equal under the law, in terms of religion and everything else. Your bible doesn't apply.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Apr 8, 2008 at 4:10 am
Matthew 5:17-19 "17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus had plenty to say about adultry and divorce as well...Matthew 5:27-28 31-32

Notice Jesus didn't say a darn thing about a man with his boyfriend or a woman with her "life partner". Hmmm...I wonder why that is?

The whole Bible in various places speaks against "lusts of the flesh"

Homosexuality is sin often caused by other sins and the Bible tells us that sin when it is finished brings forth death. But not only death of the body but death of the spirit as well. Jesus may not have specifically spoke out against homosexuality, but Jesus did say that sexual sins were sins against our own bodies. God gave us the gift of sex, for the enjoyment of one man, with one woman under the bond the binding contract of legal marriage. It is for procreation and the Bible tells of two flesh becoming one. When it talks about this it says nothing about two men's or two women's flesh.

Now, we live in a sin cursed world. This world will NEVER get better, because even Christian's are sinners. The only hope we have is in a savior and his name is Jesus Christ, who died about 2000 years ago to give all mankind the opportunity to escape a place called hell and live forever in a place called heaven. I know where I'm going...do you? Put aside your bickering and get out your Bible. The answers are there, if your heart is willing.

Jesus Christ shed his blood for all sinners, liars, those who commit adultry, those who steal, those who murder, just to name a few. While on this earth, he healed many and forgave many of their sins, telling them to "Go and sin no more".



Rebecca, Owasso - Apr 6, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I find it - well, it strikes me a LOT of ways, how none of those citing the bible actually resort to the ultimate authority: Jesus. And what Jesus had to say about homosexuals can be summed up in four words - not one darn thing. He IS the New testament, supplanting all previous testaments, so all that stuff in the Old Testament is a great history lesson, but does not apply. The most important things (according to Jesus himself) that Jesus DID say are that we should do unto others as we would have done unto ourselves, and that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves. It doesn't strike me that Sally Kern or any of her supporters is living up to those admonishments - in fact, Jesus identifies the latter as the single most important commandment ever given. Any of that stuff about how to run one's church - irrelevant politics. And before anyone gets on their high horse about the sanctity of God's word, you might remember that God allows an awful lot of un-Godly crap to go down at the hands of human beings - it's called "free will", and it includes any perversions of the meaning of the original texts at the very human and self-interested hands of the translators. Even at that, no one managed to put in Christ's mouth any word condemning homosexuals. As for Sally Kern, she needs to remember a few things - the bible does not advocate intolerance; that under our Constitution and Bill of Rights, all religions ARE equal; our founding fathers were very definite in their desire to separate the church from the state; and if she insists on abiding by the letter of "God's Word", she needs to get out of politics and go home and cook and clean and make a home for her husband and children, and leave all this important stuff to the men-folk - like it says in the bible.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Apr 6, 2008 at 3:03 am
First of all, Delmer, the "translation" of Corinthians you are using is totally incorrect from its original writing. There was no such word as "homosexual" until it was coined by a German scientist in 1859. The word "homosexual" was inserted into the translation of Corinthians sometime in the 1950s. Prior to that, the Greek word for male prostitute was used. This Christian aversion to equal rights for homosexuals is a product of MODERN Christianity, not the original Christianity. In fact, if you will take the time to learn the ORIGINAL New Testament biblical writings, you will find that all references to "homosexuals" and homosexuality had to do with ritual homosexual acts used in religious worship services by nonchristians.
While I was earning my doctorate in religion, I learned a great deal about the distortions of the Bible, especially in the King James versions. As an example, take the word "hell." In the original biblical writings, there was no such thing as "hell" as it is interpreted today. When the King James version was written, King James had mandated that the bible be written in words that a normal peasant person of the times could understand. During the period of the development of the King James version of the bible, everyone knew what a "hell" was: it was a deep, dark hole where everyone kept their potatos. That's all. There are numerous other such inaccuracies in the KJV.
This hatred and fear of homosexuals by modern "christians" has only arisen in recent history. Prior to that time, no one even knew what a homosexual was. The concept was as foreign to the Apostle Paul as would have been a helicopter. It is the duty of modern Christians to strive to be Christ-like. Christ never said one word about homosexuality, and he even cured the homosexual lover of a Roman centurion without uttering one word against such a lifestyle. Modern Christians should emulate Jesus and worry about things like divorce, a subject Jesus spoke of numerous times. If He were alive today, I betcha Jesus would be hanging with the homos, especially at events like the one to "support" Silly Sally or Krazy Kern, whichever you prefer.
As for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, reread what Jesus had to say about them. NOWHERE does it mention homosexuality as a cause of their destruction, but their selfishness and lack of charity WERE the reasons the cities were destroyed.


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Gary, Ada - Apr 5, 2008 at 12:04 am
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Sally Kern speaks from ignorance and prejudice, not religious conviction. Indeed, she seems to know nothing about Christianity.
Richard, Stamford - Apr 4, 2008 at 7:43 pm
At the time the ban was created, we didn't have the technology we do today. It would take months for the antibodies to show up in the blood. Testing methods today are able to detect the virus within 10 days of infection. The ban prohibits men who have had sex with another man, even ONCE, since 1977, from donating blood for the rest of their lives. Understandable in 1983 when the ban was created, but pretty ridiculous 25 years later with the technology we have. The Red Cross, AABB, and ABC have come together against this ban, calling it "medically and scientifically unwarranted." Male to male sex is still a risk factor for contracting HIV, no one is debating that. However, even though it is not the only risk factor, it is the only one that has a lifetime ban. The ban on blood donations after male to male homosexual activity should be temporary, as it is for every other risk factor of contracting HIV.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 4, 2008 at 6:14 pm
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Bill, it's interesting that you failed to cite your source, the fundie extremist Matt Barber. Your source is biased. Also interesting that you failed to mention that the American Red Cross, the American Association of Blood Banks, and America's Blood Centers are all actively working to lift the ban on blood donations.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm
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"Current U.S. health regulations prohibit men who have sex with men (MSM) from donating blood. Studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) categorically confirm that if MSM were permitted to give blood, the general population would be placed at risk."
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 4, 2008 at 4:23 pm
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Delmer, I have no qualms or questions about my own sexuality. You referring to me as a "closet queen" doesn't insult me one iota, but nice try. And yes, I've had gay friends who have been threatened because they showed signs of affection towards each other. "Accept what others want to give you rather than what you want"???? What kind of theory is that? Would YOU just accept what others wanted to give you and shut up about it if what others wanted to give you was at best a nice wad of spit in your face and at worst a ticket to the afterlife? No, I don't think I will "get over it" Delmer. Not until the GLBT community is treated with equality under the law. As for the numbers, I've seen several different studies report several different numbers, from 5% up to even 20% depending on how the questions were worded and who they surveyed. I've never seen any numbers as low as yours except from anti-gay organizations who were trying to prove that homosexuals are some perverted fringe group with a radical agenda. I'll stick with the standard 10% that has been accepted for years until I see consistent numbers from several different non-biased sources. It's a difficult thing to measure, especially with so many still closeted and unwilling to admit.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 4, 2008 at 1:07 pm
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I think anyone can interpret the Bible to persuade their agenda! Yes, Oklahoma is in the Bible belt but when you think you are Superior to others because of your beliefs then it is time to Re-think who you are and what you are...
Candace, Lakeland - Apr 4, 2008 at 8:17 am
Paula, I think that you need to be more realistic regarding your position on gays. First of all your stats regarding the gay population are wrong and even if they are correct according to the GLBT they are still wrong, wrong wrong. And you mention the arm around each other with gays and being criticized for that I disagree with you on that! I have many friends both gay and otherwise and the people we meet are not concerned with public hugging of one another or public display of affection between us but the "in your face", sort of display that so many gays want! I think you may be more than an interested party in wanting whats right but perhaps a closet Queen that is unhappy with the way it is.......get over it and accept what others want to give you rather than what you want.......God Bless, Delmer
Delmer, choctaw - Apr 3, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Delmer, being gay isn't just about sex any more than being straight is just about sex. I agree that sexual matters should be between those parties who engage in them, but there is so much more to it than that. If you and your wife are in public, no one looks at you funny or calls you names or threatens your life if you put your arm around her, or hold her hand, or kiss her cheek, etc. Those are affectionate gestures but not sexual ones. Homosexual people cannot do this without fear. This is only one of many things they cannot enjoy, things that we as straight people take for granted. And that doesn't even touch upon the LEGAL rights they are denied. And your statistics are flawed, the GLBT identified people make up about 10% of the population, not less than 3%.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 3, 2008 at 2:58 pm
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Terri, Are you referring to the homosexual's religion? They are the ones wanting to change what the Bible says. This discussion would never have been brought up when I was a child almost 70 years ago. I can't believe the world has gone down so much in my lifetime.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I posted earlier in this article regarding the Bible's position on Gays! But the Gay activist and gays just keep on "in you face BS". Now here is my position on it..... The gay people should have stayed in the closet...in fact all sexual matters should be talked or discussed privately between those involved. Now there is little doubt that gays are wrong in their perverted sexual behaviors but we are not to judge them or others in their sins, leave that to God. But they are not to be "in our face", with their lifestyles either. They are only a small segment of our population and will remain that way <3%. Why do they they think they should have the same benefits and rights of the straight population? Because it's natural to want the same things others have and maybe they should have some of those rights but the benefits of marriage should not be a factor as rightfully they should not be able to marry! Period! But just for/to them "married people" don't have the same rights/benefits as single people... For goodness sakes give it up!
Delmer, choctaw - Apr 3, 2008 at 8:24 am
Your article about the Sally Kern rally was very negative. The whole article contained homosexual opinion. Nothing about the reason for the rally. Chanel 9 may be eliminated from my viewing unless more equal news reporting is done.
Allen, yukon - Apr 3, 2008 at 7:54 am
Okay, you can mix religion and politics IF IT IS MY RELIGION AND MY POLITICS, otherwise, keep your hands off my rights and responsibilities. People came to this country to escape government religion, now a bunch of zealots want their brand of religion to be the law of the land....these people must have been asleep in basic American History and Government classes.
Equality, Equality Now - Apr 3, 2008 at 5:04 am
Brent, Tulsa, Please read 1 Cor. 5 to see how Churches are to deal with sex-perverts. We are to kick them out UNTIL they repent, then welcome them in.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 at 4:23 am
Its only a matter of time before homosexuals will have full rights to marry and have families and live happy, it will happen. People like Kern are living in the past and unwilling to change because are just plain stubborn ignorant people. Remember the folks that stood up against African American's equal rights, or how about the people who protested against a woman's right to vote. Well, they all look like idiots now, just like Kern and her supporters will look like idiots to future generations. Grow up people, its time to coexist!
D, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 at 2:58 am
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I should have clarified not that many care. The High Sabbath is April 29. The Passover itself of the day when MY Saviour was Crucified begins after the Sat. Sabbath April 26 making the 27th the day of His murder and 72 hours from Sunday evening at about 6PM He came from the tomb. NOT on Easter Sunday morning which is an abomination. Eze.8 ie. sunrise services. Read it but don't weep for Tammuz again on his good-for-nothing Friday.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 at 1:37 am
Unfortunately Mrs.Kern and her preacher husband probably unknowingly supported the homosexual and sexually perverted lifestyles themselves a couple of weeks ago worshiping the sex-goddess Easter. The Passover Crucifixion on the Messiah won't be celebrated until April 29. If your Church is not one that keeps the Passover but chose Easter I have a quote for you,"...but for me and my people we will choose life."
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 at 12:45 am
"Current U.S. health regulations prohibit men who have sex with men (MSM) from donating blood. Studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) categorically confirm that if MSM were permitted to give blood, the general population would be placed at risk."
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 2, 2008 at 11:46 pm
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Paula, since you have so much practice distorting the Word of God, it is no surprise you also mangled the First Amendment. I will try to keep this simple for you. Has Rep. Kern proposed a law respecting the establishment of religion? (Answer is no). Is the phrase "separation of church and state" in the constitution? (Answer is no.) Is religion prohibited in politics? (Answer is no.) Also there are identifiable reasons to discriminate against homosexuals; they are banned from donating blood because of the danger they pose to society.
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 2, 2008 at 11:38 pm
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I expect an elected government official to refrain from integrating their theistic doctrines into the secular government of this country. They have a constitutional right to practice whichever religion they choose, but that same amendment also prohibits them from enacting their religious doctrines into governmental policies and laws. As for Mr. Howard, I definitely agree with him. I've said before that younger generations aren't as widely divisive as older generations are when it comes to MANY topics. It's not relevant to younger generations, I'm not kidding you. In order to avoid a sweeping generalization, I will say it's not AS relevant to younger generations; my children and their peers are much more open-minded and accepting and less divisive when it comes to homosexuality. Live and let live. Coexist. It's becoming a very prevalent attitude, and it's the very thing Ms. Kern and those like her are afraid of. Peace between different people means she has lost her purpose.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 2, 2008 at 11:37 pm
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So you expect a person who is "religous" to leave it at the door when they go to work? I would say than I want people who are gay to leave it at the door too. Christianity isn't a garment you put on with your wardrobe. It is a lifestyle. This guy talking about Oklahoma is changing and on the up swing! I am slightly younger than he and couldn't disagree with him more. "It's not relevant to younger generations", you have got to be kidding me.
Tim, Yukon - Apr 2, 2008 at 11:29 pm
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Perhaps you should read (and understand) the entire first amendment, Bill. While congress cannot restrict the free exercise of religion, they also cannot make any laws respecting an establishment of religion. This is where the separation of church and state comes in. The amendment doesn't use that exact wording, the establishment clause means the government cannot have an official religion, cannot endorse one religion over any others, and cannot support a religious idea with no identifiable secular purpose. Not only does this amendment establish the separation between church and state, but it also contains everything we need to know about discriminating against homosexual people; there is no identifiable secular purpose in discriminating against homosexuals and therefore the act of discriminating against homosexuals is in itself unconstitutional.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 2, 2008 at 11:25 pm
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