SAN ANTONIO — Innuendo surrounding Bill Self potentially becoming Oklahoma State's next basketball coach has focused primarily on a huge financial windfall that could await the OSU graduate.
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But one aspect that could keep Self at Kansas is his strong working relationship with KU athletic director Lew Perkins.
"The thing Lew and I have done, and we've done it ever since we've been together, is we've had a very, very open line of communication,” Self said Friday afternoon during his Final Four news conference. "We talk about anything and everything. We've talked about what do we need to be successful? How can we help you? How do we help the players? What do we need to feed them to academic support, travel, everything. He's very good at giving us the resources we need.”
Self is believed to be OSU's top choice to replace former coach Sean Sutton, who was fired Tuesday.
Upon hearing of Sutton's dismissal, Self immediately visited with Perkins.
"(We did) not talk about terms of contract or anything like that. It was just, ‘Lew, how do we handle this?' ”Self said. "We talked about it. He asked me, ‘Do you want to go anywhere?' I said, ‘Heck, no. I don't want to go anywhere.' That's kind of how that conversation transpired. But it was a very informal deal.
"Part of the conversation we've had is when the season is over, we're going to sit down and talk and get everything ironed out so hopefully (I) can be here for a while. I take him at his word and he takes me at mine, so I'm sure that will be the case.”
Asked if he was after a big-money contract, Self said, "I'm not after anything. I'm not looking for anything, except for our team to play well. That's all I care about.”
Does Self want a contract extension?
"Do you want one?” a smiling Self asked the reporter.
"Every day,” Self said. "Yes. Yes.”
Self does not have an agent. Stuart Campbell is a Tulsa attorney who reviews Self's contracts.
"He does not speak for me,” Self said of Campbell.
In a Thursday interview with the Tulsa World, Campbell said, "I am completely in a wait-and-see mode. I never say never. They would have to be eye-popping numbers. I know Bill is very happy at Kansas. He loves the fans at Kansas. But I don't close any doors, if I can help it.”
Self said Friday he had not seen the article, but added, "I haven't spoken to Stuart Campbell in a month, so I haven't spoken to him about this at all. Anybody speaking on behalf of me, doesn't know what they're talking about, because I will speak for me. If that was said that way, I'm very disappointed because that's not an indication of how I feel, how I would feel, or anything like that.”
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Tradition. Same argument was made for Indiana, UConn and Georgetown in basketball. And closer to home, Nebraska football.
If Bill Self leaves for OSU, there are some things he may want to consider. KU is one of those jobs in which the name makes the program, not the coach. With him leaving, that position becomes open. Since KU is a big name program, they have the opportunity to attract a big name coach. How would Self fair if he were recruiting against the possible likes of Pitino, Calipari, or others, armed with the traditions of KU basketball?
OSU is dreaming. Self has a cozy job and KU will do whatever it takes to secure his future there. That would be like Stoops being recruited to Iowa... not going to happen. He's at a one of the top bball programs on the brink of winning a NC. His recruiting will skyrocket and will have many great years to come. OSU is a good job and program but it doesn't touch KU in bball.
Danny, I can write that with no qualms whatsoever. That's because I am secure enough in my ALMA MATER to know that it is not true. I don't have the need to go on the OU boards and try and tear them down in order for me to feel secure. Good night Danny and don't forget that little blue pill.
"If something has been on the rise for a while, and it still has not happened, well, it probably isnt going to happen at all." Geez Danny, I thought we were talking about basketball. I didn't realize we were going to discuss your personal life. Need the help of a little blue pill Danny? Maybe just watching a replay of OU's 2000 national championship could do it for you!
If you did not agree with what I said, then why on earth did you write "itmustsucktobeosu" ?
Pat I would never write anything so aweful about the great University of Oklahoma.
Sounds like someone needs to talk themselves up, because of a lack of what? I am not going to fill in the "what" part! what all of this boils down to is, you are only getting your feelings hurt when someone dislikes osu. If osu were the same universities the name would still be A&M! Enough said. There is no argument. I do offer reasonable arguments, but unfortunately you only see orange in the color spectrum. The only thing for sure right now! that is on the rise in Stillwater is the ticket prices, Boon cannot buy greatness, I know this you know this and anyone who has any common knowledge knows this. Everything I said here is totally true, and backed up with fact. Pat I do not care how great of a person you think you are, I call things like I see them!
Are you angry Pat? you sure do sound angry! Back to the topic at hand. Both of the universities in Oklahoma are not in the top 20 basketball programs in america, sorry to burst the orange bubble, I have dealt with OU being on the outside looking in, and I think the entire Sooner nation had dealt with it also, OU is possibly on the rise in basketball the future looks bright in Norman. Fifty years from now if I am still on here stating that OU's basketball program is on the rise, I will need somebody to bring me back to earth! It does not take that long for a program to rise to the top! Are you catching my drift osu fans? If something has been on the rise for a while, and it still has not happened, well, it probably isnt going to happen at all.
You know, Danny--itmustwhatever--if you ever want to get into a battle of wits, compare paychecks, the three companies I own, accolades or anything else of a personal nature, I would sure invite you to come on up. I have two degrees from OSU, one of which is at the #2 ranked program in the nation, requires five years just to get a bachelors and is heralded as the most intense curriculum offered at the university. I have sat on city/county boards in my respective field and give seminars to other professionals in my field. Heck, I will come on down as I own several lots of land at Falcon Head golf course which is not too far from Wilson. I do my best to control my insults but I am human. As I have said before, but somehow escapes your comprehension, you do not offer reasonable, lucid arguments. You spout innuendo, absurd opinion and rhetoric. Case in point your ridiculous assertion that Oklahoma A/M is not OSU. It is one and the same but changed its name due to OK state congressional directive that multi-disciplined institutions of higher education are to be known as universities. And if you have any other insecurities about it, check out the NCAA website or the Big 12 website or google it. In the words of Mr. Miyagi, "Same, same, Daniel-son." You all have a good rest of the weekend. The local lake opens up next Saturday so this is "boat week". (no Danny, it is not a canoe but a 24' powerboat with a 454 engine in it). Good evening.
Right Bob. I had no clue what I was doing when I wrote that. Totally outfoxed by that cagey Danny. And if I were to ever meet him in person, I'm sure I would fall for it when he asked me to pull his finger. That's about the level of of his chicanery, not to mention his maturity.
By the way DANNY, you can change your name on here, but you can't hide your ignorance. Ardmore is near Wilson and the rambling, semi-literate BS is the same. Therefore, itmustsucktobeosu = Danny. Duh. Did you really think we couldn't figure that out?
So basiclly what you are saying is, I hit home with the things I wrote on here Pat! I know this because you feel the need to be rude, arrogant, and lash out at me and the other OU fans that voice their opinions and state facts on here. When the name changed, everything started over, I know for a person like you that is hard to deal with, but for the sake of the good osu fans on here, that dont run their mouth, deal with it! Pat. If you cant talk with the big boys on here, you dont need to even bother trying, you see people like me can come on here state a few facts voice my opinion without calling names or acting like a teenager, if you are a teenager then I will understand Pat! Barry insults because, maybe he isnt as educated as the people that do not throw meaningless insults on here Pat! To move on here Pat! people write things that may hurt, or even are disagreed with by osu fans, and while writing these things try not to be rude to the individual person. Well, I am that person, and my fellow OU fans are those kinds of people Pat! Pat and Barry try not to be that other guy!
ItMustSuckToBeFromArdmore-What a completely asinine and ignorant statement about the national championships won as Oklahoma A&M. It changed it's name to OSU in 1957; but it always has been and always will be the same university, playing in the same building, on the very same floor as the teams that won the championships. As for Barry turning up the insults, perhaps that is because of the ever-increasing influx of un-informed, un-affiliated, un-intelligent OU "fans" like you, Arron, Danny, JJ and others that come onto the OSU boards and hurl your drivel in a desperate attempt to "belong" and be a part of something (OU) that is bigger and more successful than you will ever be. Sure, you don't have to be an OU grad to be a fan. But here is a hard fact: The real OU fans, i.e., the ones that graduated from there, do not want you. You are an embarrassment to them. You do not, cannot, and will never truly belong and even if you did, all the success that OU has enjoyed in football could never lend one iota of legitimacy to your pathetic life.
I often wonder why people with an osu education, that are superior to any other people on the face of the planet are on here trading punches with us great OU fans? Sarcasism aside! osu does not have any national championships in basketball, get it straight! The A&M Aggies won 2 of them, There is no argument here, that was a totally different school, and its not fair for the state university of oklahoma to try and ride the coat-tails of what used to be. I will admit your basketball team has had its moments in the past 11 years, but it is not any better than the OU basketball program. If your football team is on the rise, then why is it taking so long? It was on the rise when Sanders was there, then it fell back to where it usually is, Bob Simmons got it on the rise again, then it fell back down where it used to be. Do I really have to go on? The overall osu record and bedlam record speaks for itself. So far I have not insulted anyone on here, I have been as truthful as I can be. Barry you usually are less abrasive I actually liked reading your stuff, but come on man! tone down the insults a bit. Chris from Kingston, please stop using double negatives when you are trying to look smart, I have been to Kingston many times, please clean up the town a bit, it is very embarrassing to Texoma.
L from OKC-What's your point about when Eddie was at OSU? His record during that time was 362-149, he went to six Sweet 16's, three Elite 8's and two Final Fours. The fact the man had a problem with alcohol does not in any way taint what he did as a COACH. That is in direct opposition the record and any championships or the Final Four that Samsung went to which will ALWAYS be tainted because he cheated to obtain them. So, when you guys are bragging and trying to prove your lame case about OU being the better program, just be sure and strike any Samsung victories from the record, OK?
Ring, ring.....Uhm, coach, this is the 200th time you called me. If you hang up and leave me alone I will come to your school. And thanks for running up my text message bill too.
You read quite well, I see. I provided stats for the past 20 years and you can not claim anything about superiority with a FACT of 21-21. If you bother to take a look, your perceived "superiority" is typically a difference of 1-2 games in conference and many times OSU had a better overall record than OU. But you read into it what your want. OU and OSU are right next to each other in overall standing, and they have the same number of conference championships and OU has one more tournament championship. You may be ahead from a numerical perspective, but only marginally. And considering the number of sanctions against your team and coach during this time, I would not brag on your accomplishments too much. No sanctions against OSU, just a coach who was voted by his peers as the coach of the year twice. Even in your best year since the Big 12, Kelvin Samsung never was considered....wonder why?
Alright you freakin Aggie Morons.... Why is it that OSU has only finished higher (bball ofcourse) than OU one time since the inception of the Big 12??????? You can pull up all the crap you freaks want about when Henry Imafreak was your coach, but what about with your beloved drunken clam Sutton???? Anyone, Anyone>????????
Keep living in denial, OU fans. If you look at our programs now compared to 30 years ago and compare them to yours 30 years ago, who is on the decline???? You live and die with football. Great, more power to you. But to enforce my point, how many times did OSU beat OU during the 70's, 80's and 90's? A handful, tops. In the last 10 years, how many times have we won bedlam? The same handful of times. But over a period of several years instead of decades. That is the sign of progress. In basketball, we have more final fours than you ('46, '46, '49, '95, 2004 vs. '47, '88, 2002), more final games than you (3 vs 2) and more national championships than you (2 vs oh, that is right, NONE). We have a family tree of coaching that is revered by anyone on the sidelines and you have, well, everyone knows the stories about your coaches. I also find it amusing for you guys to continually state how many more head to head victories you have which is padded by turn-of-the-century games but you refuse to accept our accomplishments at the time. As for your definitive statements about the future and and how OU will win more basketball games. I will take that action. Since your '88 appearance, OSU and OU are even at 21-21 each. And during this time, in the only two head to head meeting in the Big 8/12 tournament, OSU is 2-0 against the Sooners. So shut up about this overall record crap.
Interesting John Calipari quote: "BCS teams all want to do the Wal-Mart thing," Calipari said. "They all want to dominate the world. We're like a thorn in their side. Here we are, just like the UMass days. We've bumped into their parade, their party."
Calipari using familiar formula for success
Dick "Hoops" Weiss / Special to FOXSports.com
May 11, 2007
Reading about John Calipari on www.wikipedia.org, I found this note that relates: "He is one of only three coaches in NCAA Division I history to direct two different schools to a number one seed in the NCAA Tournament; Roy Williams and Bill Self are the others." IMHO: Having Bill Self back at OSU would be "as good as gets".
oh, what laughable fare you Aggies provide....'basketball power', 'tradition', etc. etc. blah, blah, blah....OU has been to as many Final Fours as OSU in the last 20 years, once to the national title game....did Oklahoma A&M do that? How many Big XII titles, regular season and tournament titles, has A&M won in the last 20 years...uhhh, fewer than OU....but, just for the record; you know, the one you country clucks seem to forget? Head to head, OU is way out in front in victories, HEAD TO HEAD, of you 'wannabes'....
Bill Self or no Bill Self, the OU basketball team will win more games head to head, regular season, conference tournaments, and NCAA tournament games....maybe you folks can keep drawing Marist in the NIT....
You folks have a nice basketball team, Coach Self is a great coach who could make you a winner, but when you come on line and start talking like you are the second coming John Wooden and UCLA, you reveal your true selves....a bunch of overrated, overhyped Aggies with your football team likely playing in front of 30,000 empty seats...
I forgot, this most recent season, OU won both games head to head, got to the NCAA and won a tournament game, and OSU did what in the NIT? Yep, big time program you got there Pokies.
Ok, lOUd mOUth fan, i've got just one question. If you 'really' don't care, why are you even commenting on this issue? No, the reality is, that you are scared to death that all of Boone's money just might be enough to push those programs up to the top and if that were to happen, then your miserable existance would become unbearable for you since it's apparent that your self image is defined by which school you cheer for. Frankly, I've got better things to do than to worry about what a bunch of 18-21 year old kids do in any sport, and 'never' is a pretty long time, one should never say never, but maybe as you get older you'll learn these things, being 12 is pretty tough
Okay all of you lOSUr bandwagon boys......we aren't jealous, really could care less who or what you're spending your money on...really....we don't care! You are the classless fans! And for the umpteenth time....FREAKIN WIN!!!!!! Nobody cares about wrestling and golf! Glad you do it, and nobody does it much better in all reality! BUT your basketball program SUCKS! So does your FOOTBALL team!! At least your girls are doing well! Spend all the money you want! You have never and will never be the POWER that you dream of being......NEVER! You will NEVER EVER win the national championship in football!! EVER! And you will NEVER win it again in basket ball either! Just be happy to be the second or third best team in the state of Oklahoma! Keep rolling around on the mat with boys in tights, and do it well!! Hit the little white ball in the hole....and ROCK ON!!!! But quit with the fantasy that you will ever succeed in the BIG MONEY sports! You won't.....never have, and never will!!! lololol Can't wait to hear the replies from you goat ropers on this! lol
John of Texas. Interesting you should write that Perkins at 63 isn't leaving Kansas. The Hartford Courant was writing the same thing in 2003, when he was 58. Native New Englander from Chelsea, Massachusetts. Been at UConn for 13 years. Why leave? Don't underestimate the difficulty of his situation. If OSU gives Self an extremely large offer, does he match. Does he go for Turgeon down at Texas A&M. How will this affect the financials of the rest of the Jayhawk program. It isn't that simple. '67 graduate of Iowa. Maybe he has family ties in the Midwest. But if another offer from a higher profile school was out there, and it could be with a BCS and Final Four this year, he could make the decision to leave Lawrence.
Bob - The only people I ever see or hear consistently bringing up Boone and his money are OU fans. I don't think you guys are jealous or live in fear of any monetary gifts to OSU. Its deeper than that. SOME of you are classless OSU haters who can't stand the possibility that we can improve our facilities and teams. How unsettling it must be to walk the ramps of our stadium and not be able to call it "Rustoleum Stadium" anymore. How it must eat at you to go to BB games at the Floyd Goble center and wish you had 1/10th the facility we have. You tear us down because you now may have a real threat developing in-state and one that is serious. You should applaud your competitors because without them you'd be standing there palying with yourselves, er by your selves.
Dream on Danny. Sooners aren't jealous or live in fear of your new money and what it's going to do for you. The Noble family has been giving OU money for decades, who knows maybe $100,000,000.00 plus, but you don't see them or OU fans saying anything about it or who it's going to buy. You guys remind me of a lottery winner who can't believe the good luck, and let's everybody know about it. Your new facilities are going to be very nice, but you'll need more than that to stay with the Sooners. That would take years of doing it and not talking about how your going to do it.
Bill Self is saying and doing exactly what a desired coach should say in this situation. He's got a team in the Final Four and that's where his concentration should be. He has, however, left the door wide open for negotiation, whether it be to pump up his numbers at KU or get a bigger, better offer to return to his alma mater, OSU.
Remember 5 years ago when Roy Williams made it VERY PLAIN that he was not interested in UNC?!
How'd that turn out?!
Oh, are there any former OU players coaching any major universities in the nation?
If so, I haven't heard too much about them.
Michael from OKC is just another stupid Gooner with his scared, jealous side showing. Just like those schoolyard bullies that talk loud to hide their fear, Michael is just another goofball Sooner fan that doesn't want OSU to compete with OU. Well, whether or not Self stays at KU or is lured back to Stillwater, OSU is going to find a top coach to come in and get the OSU program back to it's Eddie Sutton days.
OSU is taking giant steps to improve and it scares the crap out of hillbilly goons like Michael.
Not sure what all u stoolwater people are smoking.....but there is NO WAY IN THIS WORLD that Bill Self will leave KU for lOSUr-ville!!! Come on back to reality!
Jerry, Pond Creek: Isn't it great to be a real COWBOY. A COWBOY with a degree from Oklahoma State and a closet full of beautiful ORANGE sweatshirts. I wonder what rock most OSU detractors crawled out from under. They seem to let their ignorance show.--- Now back to Bill Self! I really believe he has every reason to "COME HOME".
To itmustsucktobeosu, ardmore: --- You are probably a bandwagon OU fan, aren’t you? Get a life! Don't knock what you have never experienced. Don’t knock my school. Stillwater, OK is a great town. Oklahoma State is a great school. OSU has one of the most beautiful campuses in the country. OSU is a great school with a rich heritage in Basketball, Baseball, Golf, Wrestling, and an up-and-coming Football program. We have done this without compromising the research and academic missions of a land grant school. In the research and academic world, OSU has also made a lion's share of contributions toward feeding and clothing the world. The next time you go to the grocery store, thank God for institutions like Oklahoma State. While you are at the grocery store, pick up a newspaper and refresh your memory to fact that OSU is also continuing to make great strides in NCAA athletics. When we are through OSU’s athletic facilities will simply be the best in the world. I bet that is hard for you to swallow? I hope you don’t choke.--- Don't knock what you have never experienced. Don’t knock my school, just worry about your school and i will worry about mine. I thought just the other day that Boone Pickens was one of hundreds of thousands of NCAA athletes, and aren’t we glad that “HE WENT PRO IN THE OIL BUSINESS” and not basketball.
Bill Self needs to be left alone, until his Jayhawks are through with, or win the big dance. I do not believe that M. Holder is pestering Self, now. I do believe that Holder and Self's lawyer may have heated up the phone lines as of late. When the tournament is over, Self will get the fattest college Basketball coaching contract offer in the history of the world, and then he can come home to Stillwater, the town he loves more than any town in the world, and coach at the school he loves. OSU fans will immediately return the love and roll out the "ORANGE CARPET". I believe he will come, because Stillwater is the nicest town in the world to live, Coach, and not a bad place play golf, in between recruiting trips.
I guess the hillbilly from Ardmore didn't have electricity from 1990 -2005 when Oklahoma "State" went to two Final Fours, an Elite Eight, and several Sweet Sixteens. Sporting News had the Cowboys as one of the top 15 most successful basketball programs in that period.
Who believes Perkins is staying at Kansas? Came from UConn in 2003. He also has a bright future. When does a BCS bowl and a Final Four come around again in the same year for Kansas.
That would be a match made in heaven -- with Bill Self as OSU's basketball coach. At age 45, his most successful coaching years are probably still to come. I can see OSU as a top five team year after year. Down the road, I can see Bill Self as the AD as well, just as Henry Iba did as his coaching career matured. Keeping my fingers crossed!
To be quite honest here, why would anyone who is coaching at a prestigious university like Kansas, even consider moving to osu? osu isn't even a top 5 job in the big 12. osu isn't even a top 20 job in the nation! Stay at Kansas, dont let the evil T. Boone and his tainted money steer you away from one of the best jobs in america, Oklahoma A&M had a tradition way back then, that is only a distant memory now, when the name changed to state the university slid to where it is today. There is a reason the state university of Oklahoma is the way it is, the jealous , obnoxious, rude fans rank right up there with the longhorn supporters, and besides, if T. Boon all of a sudden bought a great coach and osu got better, the only thing the OU fans would have to laugh at would be their football team.
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Pat I would never write anything so aweful about the great University of Oklahoma.
Calipari using familiar formula for success
Dick "Hoops" Weiss / Special to FOXSports.com
May 11, 2007
Bill Self or no Bill Self, the OU basketball team will win more games head to head, regular season, conference tournaments, and NCAA tournament games....maybe you folks can keep drawing Marist in the NIT....
You folks have a nice basketball team, Coach Self is a great coach who could make you a winner, but when you come on line and start talking like you are the second coming John Wooden and UCLA, you reveal your true selves....a bunch of overrated, overhyped Aggies with your football team likely playing in front of 30,000 empty seats...
I forgot, this most recent season, OU won both games head to head, got to the NCAA and won a tournament game, and OSU did what in the NIT? Yep, big time program you got there Pokies.
Remember 5 years ago when Roy Williams made it VERY PLAIN that he was not interested in UNC?!
How'd that turn out?!
Oh, are there any former OU players coaching any major universities in the nation?
If so, I haven't heard too much about them.
OSU is taking giant steps to improve and it scares the crap out of hillbilly goons like Michael.