Abortion: With veto quashed, curbs will become law on Nov. 1
Abortion: With veto quashed, curbs to become Oklahoma law on Nov. 1

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By Michael McNutt
Published: April 18, 2008

A measure will become law Nov. 1 requiring that a woman get a description of ultrasound images of her unborn child and be offered those images before getting an abortion.

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Legislators acted quickly Thursday to override Gov. Brad Henry's veto of the anti-abortion measure, Senate Bill 1878. By noon, less than 16 hours after the governor's Wednesday night action, members of both chambers voted to override his veto.

"I'm glad the Legislature did the right thing today and stood for life,” said Rep. Pam Peterson, R-Tulsa, House author of the bill.

Sen. Todd Lamb, R-Edmond, Senate author of SB 1878, said, "I want to thank my Senate and House colleagues for taking a stand for the unborn and for the sanctity of life by overriding this unconscionable veto.”

It was the first override of a veto by Henry since he took office in 2003.

"I knew it would be an uphill battle to sustain the veto, but I thought it was important to fight to protect rape and incest victims from additional distress,” Henry said.

"I do not think it is morally responsible for the state to victimize those victims a second time by forcing them to undergo an ultrasound and hear a detailed description of it after they have made the difficult and heartwrenching decision to end their pregnancy,” the governor said. "Under a law I previously signed, these women already have the option to request an ultrasound, but forcing the procedure on them after the trauma they have already suffered as a rape or incest victim is government regulation gone wrong.”

What will law require?
SB 1878, among other things, requires that the woman be given a description of the ultrasound images and that medical providers display the ultrasound images so the woman can see them.

Nothing prevents the woman from "averting her eyes” from the ultrasound, according to the bill.

"Neither the physician nor the pregnant woman shall be subject to any penalty if she refuses to look at the presented ultrasound images,” the bill states.

However, the measure states the physician who is to perform or induce the abortion must "provide a simultaneous explanation of what the ultrasound is depicting.”

The description shall include "the dimensions of the embryo or fetus, the presence of cardiac activity, if present and viewable, and the presence of external members and internal organs, if present and viewable,” the bill states.

"As I have said many times, I support reasonable restrictions on abortion procedures and have signed several such bills into law during my time in office,” Henry said. "I continue to be open to such reasonable measures, but I will not hesitate to oppose initiatives that go too far and ultimately do more harm than good.”

Peterson said it still is up to the woman to decide "whether she wants to turn her head and look at it, but he (the abortionist) cannot obstruct the view if she wants to look at it. The pressure's on him to make sure that he makes it available.”

The ultrasound is to be made available to the woman an hour before anesthesia is administered, she said.

Lamb said the governor "was factually inaccurate in his assertion that this bill forces victims of rape and incest to view an ultrasound of their unborn baby. The bill in no way forces a woman to view the ultrasound that is conducted before an abortion.”

Lamb said a national survey showed that ultrasounds are already being conducted before abortions more than 90 percent of the time.

"They have to be conducted so that they know the size of the child inside the womb,” he said.

What do opponents say?
Planned Parenthood of Central Oklahoma opposed the bill. Keri Parks, director of external affairs, said the bill "requires a medically unnecessary, invasive procedure one hour before an abortion procedure. It interferes with a physician's ability to exercise his or her best medical judgment and with a patient's right to make medical decisions based on her doctor's advice and what is best for her.”

"Legislators have no business dictating medical procedures,” she said.

The legislation also is intended to protect health care providers' right not to participate in abortions and decisions whether to dispense a pill to end early pregnancies.

The bill won't be applicable when a woman is in imminent danger of death unless an abortion is immediately performed or induced.

House members voted 81-15 to override the governor's veto less than an hour after senators voted 37-11 to do the same. In the House, 68 votes were needed to override the veto while 32 votes were needed in the Senate.

No debate occurred in either chamber.

Last year, Henry vetoed an anti-abortion bill that would have banned state assets — including money or employees — from being used for abortions. The Senate failed to override his veto.

A second, similar anti-abortion bill — which included an exclusion if the life of the mother was at risk or if the pregnancy involved rape or incest — was passed in 2007 and became law without Henry's signature.

Contributing: John Greiner, Capitol Bureau


 


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Way to go, Oklahoma! Too bad you have such an indifferent governor . . .
Steve, South Carolina - Apr 20, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Shame on you Legislature! Shame on you!
Colin, Oklahoma City - Apr 19, 2008 at 11:31 am
I never said divorce caused unwed pregnancies. The article stated that we needed to do more to reduce divorce and unwed pregnancies, addressing them as two separate social ills with a similar result.
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm
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Naturally, planned parenthood would be against this bill. It is the breakdown of the family unit which causes the high number of children having children. Obstinance is never going to work! Even woman who take birth control and use condoms still get pregnant. Men will always be able to get woman pregnant, no matter what precautions they take. Divorce doesn't cause unwed pregnancies a male and female causes a pregnancy.
Candace, Lakeland - Apr 18, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Three days ago the Oklahoman published an article stating that unwed parenting costs taxpayers over $400 million dollars. Single mothers account for nearly half of those living below poverty level in this state. The article further states that a significant percentage of crimes are tied to childhood poverty. "The report shows that lawmakers must do more to reduce divorce and unwed pregnancy." Instead, they do more to increase unwed pregnancy. Oklahoma legislators are walking oxymorons. Reduce unwed pregnancy! Make abortions more difficult!
BBJ, Midwest City - Apr 18, 2008 at 8:50 pm
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Guys, suppose you are pregnant, you love your unborn child the moment you realize you are going to have a baby, yet, everyone tells you to get rid of it... Then, you decide you are going to raise this child on your own, he is the best thing that ever happened to you, you love him more than you could ever imagine loving anything or anyone in the world. This child grows up and is always the tops in his class, has an I-Q higher than anyone in his class, makes straight A's all through high school and gets all kinds of scholarships thrown at his feet and is in the 3rd year of engineering school with straight A's. This is what happened to me and I have never regretted the decision to raise my child by my self. He is a joy and the love of my life! Thank God, I don't believe in abortion!!!
Candace, Lakeland - Apr 18, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Cale - It's a shame they'll never get a chance, and we'll never know. Life is precious, and without it, liberty means nothing. That number will get higher, and the percentage higher, until we destroy our nation through our own selfish greed.
Preston, Bossier City - Apr 18, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Preston, You must be kidding yourself if you believe that most of those 50 million would be productive members of society. I have been all over this country and am well aware of the land mass available. I doubt seriously however that these people will be developing a new suburbia where 50,000000 people will live happily-ever-after.
Cale, oklahoma city - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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Cale - If we hadn't have killed 50 million, we wouldn't need outside labor sources in this country. We wouldn't have a social security problem looming in the future if there were an additional 50 million people behind the baby boomers paying taxes. Abortion is killing this country, not helping it. As for where would they live, have you actually driven the U.S.? My goodness, we have land available all over the place. Miles and miles upon miles of land. I have never understood that argument.
Preston, Bossier City - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Cale, I will answer your post. I would gladly do whatever it takes to support these children. They are the real victims in all of this. Whether they are aborted or born and raised in orphanges or traded from foster family to foster family or turned right out on the street, they are the ones that pay the price for how our society has turned out. This problem didn't happen in a day folks and it is not going to go away overnight. And the truth is it is only going to get worse if we keep fighting each other over it.
Mike, Ardmore - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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Mexico Abortion Clinics?? good grief, what kind of crap will you liberals come up with next? If you don't want your daughter to have to get an abortion in Mexico, then teach her to not screw around when you send her down there for your next pick-up. Because those nanny government schools you want to pour more $$ into are already teaching kids to have sex anytime the urge hits, and those lessons come in Spanish too.
T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:17 pm
T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Many, many thanks to all the legislators who helped pass this bill. For those of you against the bill, which part would you change?

-- Would you prefer for health practioners to have no "choice" about whether they have to participate in providing abortions? Still a free country isn't it?

-- Would you prefer the patronizing attitude of a technician turning the ultrasound screen away because the "little woman" doesn't "need" that information?

-- Would you prefer that women and girls who are being coerced, threatened and forced into their "choice" to abort NOT be informed about their rights to contact law enforcement? Would you prefer no penalties for performing coerced abortions? (Note to Planned Parenthood, abortion is a very "invasive" procedure.)

-- Would you prefer to keep OB/GYN doctors under the current law which allows "wrongful birth" lawsuits, raises malpractice premiums, puts doctors at risk for losing their practices and discourages many from choosing to specialize in OB/GYN?

-- Would you prefer that there be no legal remedy for women who are harmed by improper, unsupervised use of RU 486, which can cause massive bleeding, permanent damage, and even death? Very, very invasive, you Planned Parenthood proponents.

If that is how you prefer your society, all I can say is thank goodness for democracy and the level heads in the legislature.

So many in their zeal to protect the abortion business are forgetting to protect women first.
A, Tahlequah - Apr 18, 2008 at 3:02 pm
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No one seems to want to address my last post. I'll make it simple. Are all of you pro-birth people willing to shell out hundreds of dollars each year to take care of these unwanted children? Put your money and votes where your mouth is and support social programs to give these children real quality of life. If you're not willing to do that then stay out of other peoples lives.
Cale, oklahoma city - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm
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What is it a weekend trip to Mexico? Back Alley Abortion Clinic, unsanitary conditions. Rape victims, kids confused with demanding religious sect demands from their parents, I can see how more than illegals would find making the trip south more attractive than going through a murderous guilt trip imposed by state law. I personally am against abortion for means of birth control, but I live in a reality that I wouldn't want my daughter considering Mexico Abortion Clinics as a way out, what’s more there are plenty of doc's in Okla. that would take cash and dispose of the unborn without a record of the procedure. All State Lawmakers did, was waste time and tax dollars that could have been better spent teaching sex education to students in schools as a means to avoid unwanted pregnancies and disease. For that matter they could've saved more lives pushing the money and time on re-implementing driver's ed programs back in to the States high schools.
B , wittmann - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Abortion was sold to this country on false pretenses using lies about rape, incest and tens of thousands of back alley abortions that never happened and this evil act is still being protected with those same lies. But forget about telling truths like what that little clump of cells looks like before you KILL IT. Forget about how many more women commit suicide after having abortions or die from abortions now than before it was legalized to protect the abortionists. Wake up people! This whole abortion issue has turned into nothing but an ugly mark on our society. You want freedom of choice? Fine, make the choice of not screwing around in the first place. Do you people have any idea how many of these females who get abortions are repeat clients? And don't feed me that bleeding heart crap about rapes and incest because the truth is that less than 1% of abortions are done on rape and incest victims and many of those are being covered up by those in the abortion industry. Abortion is being used as a means of birth control by an industry that has made billions of dollars off of selling sexual promiscuity to our children.
T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:01 pm
T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Abortion was sold to this country on false pretenses using lies about rape, incest and tens of thousands of back alley abortions that never happened and this evil act is still being protected with those same lies. But forget about telling truths like what that little clump of cells looks like before you KILL IT. Forget about how many more women commit suicide after having abortions or die from abortions now than before it was legalized to protect the abortionists. Wake up people! This whole abortion issue has turned into nothing but an ugly mark on our society. You want freedom of choice? Fine, make the choice of not screwing around in the first place. Do you people have any idea how many of these females who get abortions are repeat clients? And don't feed me that bleeding heart crap about rapes and incest because the truth is that less than 1% of abortions are done on rape and incest victims and many of those are being covered up by those in the abortion industry. Abortion is being used as a means of birth control by an industry that has made billions of dollars off of selling sexual promiscuity to our children.
T. A., Moore - Apr 18, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Mike in Ardmore. Very well put.. and says it all
cindy, okc - Apr 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm
How can anyone dictate to you that you must have the unwanted or perhaps product of rape? It is the womans choice! I do not believe it should be used as a means of birth control. If you are raped or for some reason can not carry the baby to term without risk to your health, or God forbid there is something wrong with the fetus and you do not believe you can raise a special needs child...folks they take a lot of patience and I for one applaude the families that can care for these children...then you should have the option. Other than those 3 reasons, get on the pill and guys, you are just as much responsible for unwanted pregnancies too. If you don't want to be a "Father", then put a coat on it! Too many deadbeat dads out there already. I don't think anybody just wakes and says "Nice day for an abortion!". Good grief!
K, Oklahoma City - Apr 18, 2008 at 1:42 pm
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Abortion is killing an unborn child. How can someone wake up one day and say "should I kill this baby or let it live?"
Candace, Lakeland - Apr 18, 2008 at 1:26 pm
"The legislation also is intended to protect health care providers' right not to participate in abortions and decisions whether to dispense a pill to end early pregnancies." This is the line that cracks me up...hello these people work in abortion clinics, O think they KNOW this and I don't think they need any protection! Someone said earlier she has never talked to a woman that was "happy" they had an abortin. My daughter was raped at 14, turned up pregnant, had an abortion. Never looked back with any regret and has since gone on to college, marriage and 2 beautiful grandchildren!
K, Oklahoma City - Apr 18, 2008 at 1:21 pm
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Can't everyone see that the only ones who benefit from these debates are the politicians themselves. While the population polarizes around these kinds of issues, they sit back and rake in the benefits without truly taking a stand for anything. They suffer from the same disease that potentially affects everyone else, "What's in it for me?". They occasionally stir the pot, as they are right now, and then reap the rewards (polarized voters) come election time. You that are on the pro-choice side are right when you say that the government is only worried about abortion and not the social ills of the day (teen pregnancy, the poor, homelesness, healthcare). You on the pro-life side are right when you defend life and the sanctity of it. We all care about injustice as we see it. The problem is that we have let a group of people manipulate us for their benefit and the result is that we can't work together on anything anymore without looking at the labels someone else has put on us. God created all of us in his image (whether you admit belief in that or not is irrelevant). Jesus Christ said that the two greatest commandments are that you love God and love your fellow man. If we could take the amount of energy we waste fighting each other and turn it against ALL forms of social injustice how much better would this country and this world be?
Mike, Ardmore - Apr 18, 2008 at 12:28 pm
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There is a slight possibility that my computer is possessed...
L, Midwest City - Apr 18, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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