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Judge blocks some parts of HB 1804
Judge blocks some parts of HB 1804

By Jay F. Marks    Comments Comment on this article171
Published: June 4, 2008

A federal judge today blocked enforcement of employer-related provisions of the state's controversial immigration law, ruling it likely interferes with federal regulations regarding the hiring of unauthorized workers.

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Several business groups challenged House Bill 1804 — which has been called the toughest immigration statute in the nation — in federal court in Oklahoma City.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The State Chamber, the Oklahoma City and Tulsa chambers of commerce, and the Oklahoma restaurant and hotel and lodging associations contend the law places unreasonable burdens on businesses, according to the lawsuit filed Feb. 1 by the National Chamber Litigation Center.

"We applaud the court's decision to delay enforcing these portions of Oklahoma's immigration law," said Robin Conrad, the center's executive vice president. "Through harsh civil penalties, the Oklahoma law unfairly shifts the burden of immigration enforcement from government onto the backs of businesses.

"Piecemeal state legislation is not the answer to our nation's immigration problems."

The groups' lawsuit still is pending in federal court in Oklahoma City, even though U.S. District Judge Robin Cauthron agreed to halt enforcement of a provision of the new law that would have required companies to verify the eligibility status of all new employees.

That provision was set to go into effect July 1.

The law’s author, State Rep. Randy Terrill said he was disappointed but not surprised the judge’s ruling.

“Obviously the outcome is not what we had hoped for,” Terrill said. “But she is perhaps the most liberal judge sitting in the Western District. This is the most blatant act of judicial activism. She is clearly acting more like a legislator than a judge.”

Terrill did not argue the merits of the case, but said the judge should have dismissed it on standing. He said if the lawsuit against the employment section of HB 1804 is successful, he will appeal.

Attorney General Drew Edmondson issued this statement: “This is a preliminary injunction, not a final ruling. In her order, the judge writes that ‘the Court finds Plaintiffs have established a substantial likelihood of success on the merits of the case.’ We will attempt to overcome this hurdle when the matter is set for hearing on the permanent injunction.”

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Why won't the Daily Okie Dokie provide a list of the names of all businesses that demand the right to hire illegal invaders? They must be so proud of getting their ruling that they want all Oklahomans to know who they are.
T. A., Moore - Jun 7, 2008 at 8:40 am
Now, I believe I know who "Jose" is. Das Boot?
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 6, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Your are wrong das, there is a lower life form. If you don't know what that is, it must be you. Have you heard the phrase "bottom feeder"? Look up.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Me thinks Jose is as imitation as a three dollar bill. I also think He will never make it as a comic. Misspell the easy words then correctly spell some slightly more difficult. I wish I could go to Poteau. Not to see Jose; just to fish in the river, but; can't do that anymore.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 6, 2008 at 11:36 am
Jose. The judge changed nothing in the law. She just made the obvious ruling that it could/should be reviewed as to its Constitutionality. If I read You correctly, You are just as aware of that as I am. What University did You attend?
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 6, 2008 at 12:42 am
¡Jose! ¡Jose! Where are You? ¿Donde esta? I think You are about as much Mexican as Barack Obama. Come out whereever You went to hide.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 6, 2008 at 12:36 am
Jose, ¿what does, Porque me hace mentiras? mean?
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm
An employer is not required to enforce immigration law by simply requiring the prospective employee to show proof of citizenship. This is a requirement for every prospective employee, unless of course the employer is trying to avoid matching social security, workers comp, unemployment insurance and all of those other pesky things that are required of employers.

Barbara, poteau - Jun 5, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I do not think that is what the judge said, jose. No matter. The states are required to follow federal law, they cannot make their own laws contrary to federal law. 5 generations of my family were born here and I spent 45 years in the work force. I have never had a job where I was not required to prove I am a citizen of the United States of America.

Judge Cauthron issued an opinion and it is temporary. So don't celebrate too much yet.
Barbara, poteau - Jun 5, 2008 at 7:56 pm
The bill has not been dropped. It will be upheld by the Supreme Court. It has only been delayed. If they are illegal, they must leave. It will be cheaper to send them back than to support them here. There shouldn't be a wall at the border, just snipers. GO HOME, YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE. WE OWE YOU NOTHING.
UnSub, Yukon - Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 pm
ha ha ha you dumb okies i illegal and judge say now i can work where i want to ha ha ha you dumb okies
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 7:31 pm
ha ha ha you dumb okies i illegal and judge say now i can work where i want to ha ha ha you dumb okies
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Andrew, are you being serious when you wrote: "we should embrace those who have struggled to make it here and help naturalize them." Are you saying we should reward law breakers? Are you saying we should tell the ones that are doing things the right way (legally), that they don't have to do that anymore, these people who broke the rules are allowed to step to the front of the line?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Ya! The court sided with BIG business. They continue to screw us by hiring illegal aliens for low wages. When business can't hire illegals because of high fines, the workers will go away. This is exactly what we do need. The federal Government has never been able to do anything well. Imagration is just one of thousands of things.
Robert, Edmond - Jun 5, 2008 at 5:52 pm
The problem I have with 1804 as a conservative is that I don't want to waste a lot of tax dollars fighting "innovative legislation" in federal court. We need to push our federal reps to do what's right. Immigration is broken. We're still flood with illegals, while men who have lived here and even begun families over ten-14 years have been deported while their citizen wives and children have to go on assistance. Find the average "coyote" fee and charge that for background checks and processing. Left over money could be used to enforce the border. The only thing worse than the amnesty idea is the status quo. If it's broken, fix it, and where it's broken, in DC!!
Floyd R, Purtle - Jun 5, 2008 at 2:41 pm
In the words of the late Johnny Carson "may the Hotel Hell Bedbugs invade your beef-jerky"! I don't know he really said that however he could have. Terrill and Co. need to stand in line at a hotel waiting on rooms to be cleaned at midnight waiting so they can be handed a key. May their side of beef arrive at their dinner table four hours after ordering. When you chase the last Mexican out you have to ask "whose going to fill their shoes"? I've seen an Oklahoma High School graduate, they can't do the jobs that the southern amigo's can. The average female graduate in Oklahoma has been described as someone whose gone through an abortion, been through three husbands and is left alone with at least one child by the time she reaches age 24. I want a clean hotel room, affordable steak correctly cooked and served and maybe a touch-up detail job on my car. Your not going to get that from those left behind (Okla.‘s teen and young adults). Face it if you want decent service, forget about visiting Oklahoma you have to go to Mexico
Oklahoma, okc - Jun 5, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Bill; Terrill is an elected legislator. He does not have to be a lawyer. Since he is a lawmaker, his opinion does mean squat. Therfore; I think it is you and the judge who are idiots.
Wilburn, Boise City - Jun 5, 2008 at 11:11 am
I would settle for the same standards in regards to border security and immigration policies that Mexico enforces at its southern border.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 9:11 am
RICK - Its a good bet most opponents of 1804 are members or owners of restaurant or hotel associations. The very same people who cry about racism are the very same who cry the loudest when they, or someone they know are victims of an illigal alien crime or theft. I seriously doubt they leave their homes and businesses wide open whether they are there or not - yet have no problem when its their country thats invaded.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 9:09 am
Well, this bill WAS a good thing.
R?, Tulsa - Jun 5, 2008 at 9:08 am
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Read your history, many of the people who jumped the gun in the land rush were shot or arrested. Is that that the solution? I think not. Not one post here has said they hate Mexicans. They hate law breakers. That is exactly what they are, not illegal immigrants. If you want to work in this country and not be a citizen that is ok by law, just do it the legal way. Why in the world would some one leave a third world corrupt country and then try to force their culture, language and customs on us. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing in the same way without positive results? They have allowed their own country to become so corrupt that it is almost impossible to live there and now they come and refuse honor our customs and force their language on us. I am sick and tired of having to push 1 to hear my own language. As for the citizens here that refuse to work at these jobs, cut off their welfare make them get a job.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 am
I was going to post a comment but I see there is only one person doing all the posting, just using different names to post under.
Have fun you sicko. Just keep talking to yourself and your imaginary people.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 8:49 am
Folks, just to weigh in here, I consider myself fairly liberal on a lot of issues, and I have also been a food service worker for just shy of thirty years. A whole lot of the nation is earning barely above susbsistence wages. The average cost of living has risen over ten times since 1973, while the average wage has risen less than three. As an experienced cook, and former chef who has been on my current job for about a year I'm paid right under ten dollars an hour. While more competition for the culinary jobs hasn't helped, the real problem is the government allowing big business to farm all the more profitable blue-collar work overseas, leaving a plethora of applicants (legal or otherwise)to vie for my position. Add to this the sky-rocketing cost of living right now and you get one heck of a mess. Let's quit focusing so much attention on immigration issues and instead turn the lens on the government that is increasingly making the "land of opportunity" a reality for only the wealthiest twenty per cent of the population.
Charles, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 8:49 am
I agree. Illegal immigrants make up a significant part of economy. you cant just ship them back. that will cost a lot of money and a lot jobs. we should embrace those who have struggled to make it here and help naturalize them.
Andrew, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 8:38 am
How ironic that Terrill is pictured wearing a Sooners hat! Doesn't he realize the Sooners were the illegal immigrants that founded our beautiful state. Xenophobic politicians should leave our Mexican friends alone. They (the immigrants) are the new Sooners!
Rob, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 6:33 am
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Jeff wrote: "The majority of restaurants, construction companies, and lodging facilities have to hire these people because guess what the vast majority of people don't want these jobs period." Simply untrue! Even in those industries where illegals are a sizable number, most of the jobs are held by Americans and LEGAL immigrants. Every job held by an illegal was once held by an American or LEGAL immigrant. So the claim that they are doing jobs that Americans don't want is FALSE.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 5:08 am
Monica should still go smoke that cigar with Bill.
John, Maud - Jun 5, 2008 at 4:27 am
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Rousas John Rushdoony "The Ayatollah of Holy Rollers" is one major whackjob from what I've been reading. Bill Graves is an ardent follower and writes for Rushdoony's publication. Rushdoony died a few years back by the way. He believes in slavery, segregation, excessive use of executions for everything from adultry to blashemy. He said "Christianity and democracy are inevitably enemies" and and characterized democracy as "the great love of the failures and cowards of life."[Yeah tell that to all the great members of our military who have died protecting the freedoms and democracy of this country...they were hardly cowards!] He wants Old Testament Torah rule in America, as does Bill Graves. It is time we get him out of office in Oklahoma. When Graves' hero is compared to Poi Pot and the Ayatullah Khomeini one needs to think what he is doing as an elected official in a democracy. For Bill Graves to hate democracy is hypocritical since he is using it to acheive his dominion over others.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 5, 2008 at 1:23 am
Ha Ha Ha. Imagine that...struck down by the courts. Shut my mouth. I think I said this would happen about three months ago. What are you far right loonies going to do? You have a liberal Democrat probably going to be elected President and a black man at that, your only choice is a moderately liberal Republican and now your little immigration law has been kicked out. My God its enough to make you want to slash your wrists isn't it? Has God deserted the right wing? What? You mean he isn't really a conservative Republican? What's next? Jim Inhofe might admit he is a homsexual tomorrow. That would be the final straw wouldn't it? Never been a homo in his family you know nor anyone divorced. It'd just make you cry. Or maybe Sally Kern will admit she is a lesbian. What could be worse? Maybe Jesus will come back soon and rapture all the far right nuts since we all know they are the only ones going to heaven.
David, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Robert, by treaty, an Amarican Indian can cross anywhere. For all others, it is a violation of Federal Law to attempt to cross any place other that a Port of Entry. Please forgive my attempted humor. Guess I should leave that to Bob Hope. I like your depth of thought.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:29 pm
One last thing. I am sick and tired of our state wedgeslature always spending time and resources on bills they know full well are not going to stand up in court, but are sure ways of getting the votes of the ignornant masses out there. Every year we have some rep trying to put back in prayer or trying to take out evolution...they know full well the issue won't pass or will be struck down. But still they get to claim to the voters "hey look what I did". Yeah, douche you wasted money and time and didn't accomplish anything. Scan this list of comments and you'll find plenty of dupes for your game, but I am not one of them.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:29 pm
So Robert is one of those types. Liberal behind every bush. Well, this is an issue that has both sides divided and it doesn't help for some blind fool of a political party to create further division by blaming every perceived ill in society on the 'other guys'. Partisanship that intense borders on mental illness. I stand by what I say: it is not the function of business to play law enforcement. If a business knowingly hires illegal then prosecute, but let's not demand that business handle a problem that the government is responsible for.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Arlie - Ok you did mention she stumbled around the fence, but why? Is it because her countrys' government stinks due to corruption and incompetence? What happens to an American or and illegal that tries that at Mexico's southern border? They are sent back or shot PDQ.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Arlie - You did not specify where she hypothetically crossed did you? What happens to an American who tries that Arlie?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Richard - the IRS and Social Security can raise a red flag in regards to legal citizenship. Of course you can't tell by looking but you can by verifying status and for those who KNOW they use illegals this puts them in the spotlight and LEGAL FINES. Simply put - restaurant and hotel associations are the primary beneficiaries of using illegal aliens and that should be our primary focus.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Robert, You just failed Geography and violated the citizens rights of a legally born United States Citizen. Tia Juana (Aunt Juana in Spanish) is actually an Indian Name for 'Dry River.' The Rio Grande ceases to be the Border just a few miles west of El Paso, TX, where it turns north to Colorado. Stupid? She just assured the future for her son and, probably, herself in the Promised Land.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Ok lets make this real simple. Its illegal to hire illegal. No they can say we don't know who is legal or not. Hey if you can tell the legal from illegal by looking your a fool. Its called racial profiling. And all illegals do not come from south of the border. They are here from Europe, Africa, Asia and yes South of the border. Guess what not an okie by the way.
Richard, Del City - Jun 4, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Kelly - Have you EVER read 1804? Do you have any clue at all whats going on?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Arlie - Any woman stupid enough to wait and try and cross a river and enter another country illegally should be sent back immediately.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Randy Terril makes my skin crawl. I'm all for RESPONSIBLE immigration reform, but this guy is just nuts. I am one Christian whose principles Terril does NOT represent.
Kelly, norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Jeff - I thought illegals were here only doing jobs Americans wont do - were we lied to about that also?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Slave Labor is a myth. These people hold down a lot of jobs that pay them much more than minimum wage in many instances. If thats slave labor then there are a lot of Americans that are "slaves".
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:40 pm
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The border fence ends at the beach by Tia Juana, Mexico. Pregnant woman wiats until baby is exiting and stumbles around the fence and has the baby in the United States. Border Patrolman now has an Illegal Alien in custody attached to a United States citizen by an umbelical cord. If You were that Officer, what would You do?
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:40 pm
James - Thats very cute but businesses - such as the plaintiffs - know exactly who and who is not illegal. These old tired liberal racists charges dont wash anymore. These associations profit directly from slave labor and wages of illegals and of course they are going to fight in the guise of some BS compassionate purpose. The hypocrisies of liberals never cease to amaze me.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I sense that very few of you even know what this subject involves. It is just an opportunity for you to be racists. It is not the funcion of business owners to do the government's job and enforce immigration laws. If we go that far then we need to make everyone do it. When you go to buy bread and milk at Homeland there should be someone at the door to check your credentials to see if you're in the country legally. Let's put up check points at every intersection and check identification papers. Let's give everyone a badge and a gun and have them watch over each other. Again, it is NOT the function of our businesses to serve in law enforcement capacity.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Terrill is an idiot. Cauthron is not nearly the most liberal judge in the Western District. He is not a lawyer so his opinion about that doesn't mean squat. Moreover, her decision is legally correct. This bill is horribly written and unenforceable.
Bill, tulsa - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:55 pm
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John in Maud: This may be to large a concept for someone like you to understand, but you can support a group of people without being one of them. They don't have to be identical to you. Is this too much for you John?

John you're a sissy too. Afterall your solution to not liking something is to run. I don't know what they call that in Maud, but where I come from if you believe in something and don't stay and fight for it you're a coward. Since your solution is to run over things, then I will conclude you're a coward.

Also, I concur with Monica. Your mother is probably used to being talked to in that fashion by the "men" of Maud. You talk to women the way you see your own mother treated...that's a given. Again where I come from it isn't done that way. You'd get your rear end whooped where I grew up.

I understand there are ones like you though. In the city we step over them.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Randy - Could you be clearer?
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:48 pm
And Robert if you don't want people to take you for what you're writing, then perhaps you should be clearer.
Randy, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:45 pm
John you may be used to seeing your mother talked to that way, but when you're outside of Maud there are more standards.
Randy, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:43 pm
For Wayne in Prague...No one is asking the businesses to enforce the law. They're being asked to not break the law. What about all the businesses that don't break the law and don't hire/exploit illegals? They suffer (or go under) because they can't compete against the law breakers who have unfair advantage. The laws are there for many reasons, one reason is to supply a level playing field for all businesses. For capitalism to work there have to be laws and the businesses must be made to follow them. What I don't understand is how all the law abiding businesses keep their membership in Chambers of Commerce that are selling them out. I applaud your lawmakers in Oklahoma. I wish mine in Alabama had the vision to do something like this.
John, Huntsville - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:41 pm
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I forgot to add that eight of the first Mexicans I knew were with Me in the Philippine Islands in World War Two.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:37 pm
We hate a judge for making a lawful ruling. We hate each other because of our name or color of skin. We hate Illegal aliens because they take benefits given them by officials We elected. We hate mispelled words. We hate ad infinitum. I'm eighth generation American with a portion of American Indian thrown in and please don't hate Me for I love my Mexican food, and, I like most of the Mexicans I have known over the past eight decades.
Arlie, Midwest City - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Well it seems various City Chamber's of Commerce, and Restaurant and Hotel associations aren't too happy about losing slave labor and wages since they are the one's who are the plaintiffs - I'm shocked. LOL
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 9:13 pm
I love illegals who wave the Mexican flag, promote Mexican culture, and are so proud of their country - yet invade a foreign company by running away from a corrupt government just so they can eat.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Monica - The reference was to King George of England
whose conduct is relevant to our Federal Government treatment of its legal citizens. If your trying to be a smart-ass, you failed miserably. No doubt you would have loved the red coats.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Monica, why don't you and all the illegals in your family, move to Texas! And go suck a cigar, too!
John, Maud - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:46 pm
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One step forward... two steps back.. what a shame
Jan, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:45 pm
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Mississippi called and wanted to thank everyone in Oklahoma for making them look good.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Yes, after your invasion and the killing of the citizens you assimilated here very well...if by assimilation you mean forced your language and culture on those already here. And I think you need a little touch up on American history in relation to federal government, invaders, and founding fathers. I don't seem to recall those founding fathers ignoring a federal government's failure to enforce immigration laws.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Oklahoma should do what our founding fathers did - ignore a federal government that wont enforce its own useless laws in regards to illegals (invaders that violate our sovereignty, kill our citizens, ignore our laws, force hospitals to close, overcrowd our schools and prisons, refuse to assimilate, refuse to learn or speak english, drive up insurance costs,etc..)
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Oklahoma should just tell that Judge where to stick it. States have rights too.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I'm sick and tired of these judges overturning a law that is intending to keep illegals out of the country. If you apply for a job, you will be asked whether you are a citizen of the US or have a green card. If these people want to be a US citizen, then that person must go back to the end of the line like everyone else and do the process of becoming an US citizen. I'm tired of my tax dollars catering to illegal citizens such as hospital bills, education, welfare, etc. Enough is enough. These companies who are violating the rules by hiring illegals instead of hiring legal citizens should be fined or be forced to close their business.They say that illegals are no threat to society and they pay taxes and contribute to the community. Fine, but they are not citizens of the US. I don't want this city to become like Los Angeles; a city that has become a virtual cesspool thanks to the illegals who have ruined the quality of life and the school and welfare system of that city. It's true. They have overtaken that city so much that it's no wonder why so many people are leaving that place in order to do damage to other places. It could very well happen to here if we let these people from the south come here and ruin the quality of life.
robert, norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:11 pm
My wife is Hispanic and she completely agrees as do I with this bill. This bill is only to protect the legal people. I have been hit by an illegal that had no I.D. or insurance naturally. My insurance in turn went up because I had a car to fix and a few medical bills...both of which I was stuck with. Illegals are costing all of us money! I agree that business owners shouldn't have to go overboard but should have to do some minor investigation to determine their employee's status. We can continue to deport illegals when they are caught, but as long as they have jobs and make more money here, they are going to continue coming. When we hold other's accountable, the noose tightens. Business should be held accountable, but as long as they follow the restrictions, they will be safe. We must do what we can to protect ourselves and the future of our state. We are taxed and money is tight as it is, we don't need any more drain.
Jess, Warr Acres - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:11 pm
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Finally, someone has come to their senses and understood that foreign policy is set by the Constitution as a federal issue, not an employer or state issue. Employers need good people to do work. Our capitalist system requires them to make a profit to stay in business. If someone comes to them and meets the requirements, then they hire them. They are not law enforcers, they are businesspeople. Get Randy Terrill off their backs.
Wayne, Prague - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Michael, Gus Blackwell wrote in an exclusion to the house bill that forbid sex offenders from residing that near schools and daycares...the exception only would apply to one place in the state housing sex offenders and that is Hand Up. He told the bill's authors he made no changes...then the amended bill went and passed. Strangely, the owner of the pedophile compound also owns four day cares in Oklahoma City. Coincidence?
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I hope Mr. Terrill remembers this liberal, blatant, activist judge was appointed by George H.W. Bush...
Dell, cyril - Jun 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm
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They already have the form where you have an employee fill out a form and provide IDs. The state law would've required the employer to basically check on those documents to see if they're legit. Employers are not law enforcement. We can't ask them to serve that role. We have people paid to do that and just because they can't protect the borders means Mom and Pop and Wal-Mart must take up the torch now? If they knowingly hire illegals, then they need to be punished. But expecting them to act as immigration enforcement is too much.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Geez, as I understood the law, all the employer had to do was ask the individual if they were legally entitled to work in the United States. And THAT is too much. Lets just throw those rascal business's outta the state.
Lawrence, Guthrie - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Gee, I learn so much more reading the comments of such learned Oklahomans that I now see no reason to read the news story. Such as: 1) Illegal aliens are all rapists and murderers; 2) At some time the Oklahoma legislature passed a law inviting pedophiles to live here (but apparently not within 2,000 feet of a school?); 3) the Indians really sold their land to the federal government (I had no idea -- I guess Custer made them a good deal); and a Republican Bush appointee is really a liberal who doesn't know the Constitution because she ruled that the state legislature had overstepped the bounds of the Constitution. This is almost as good as watching Fox News. I appreciate learning all this new stuff.
Michael, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:33 pm
This is good news!
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:32 pm
das, Remember what the great Native American philosopher Will Rogers said, "When the Okies moved to California, it raised the IQ level of both states."
Rob, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:21 pm
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And there's been no sudden influx of illegals. It has been building for decades. Likely you didn't notice until someone told you to.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:04 pm
B hard to hire others when there aren't any applicants its just fact. You are right about the past. Society in general has become lazy. If you think 8 to 10 bucks an hour is slave labor then tell your local bank teller and anyone that makes that or less that they are a slave. I am sure they will take that well.
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:03 pm
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Well "B" then who do we bring in? It's probably not our best moment in history, but America was built by the use of the backs of such people. From blacks, to Chinese, to Irish, to Mexicans, we've always had to rely on a class of people like that. I guess maybe we should stop doing that, but we will have to accept that we'll have to make do with fewer things and what we do get we'll have to pay more for.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:59 pm
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Ok, well get rid of them and maybe you'd see an American doing those jobs. Who the heck do you think were doing the jobs before the sudden influx of illegals? We still had roads, we still had restaurants. The only difference now is the fat cat gets fatter because of the hiring of cheap labor aka Illegals!!
K, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:56 pm
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In reference to what Randy is saying about the child molesters, yes we are getting them in from all over the country. A sick cult called Hand Up Ministries in OKC is bringng them in from all over and no one is stopping them. Several residents had to pack up and move their children to safety because people like Rep. Gus Blackwell and Councilman White got laws passed allowing them to over a hundred violent sex offenders right in the middle of children. Rumor is those two were paid off with children. Gary Sellmen the riverwalk rapist is part of that bunch. If you want to know all thats going on then you need to visit the SaveOKC.com website. They're the only ones doing anything about protecting the children in OKC as our elected leaders sold out for cash and sex favors.
Monica, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Well B I work in the lodging industry and its the truth. Almost every restaurant I am at I look in the back and the cooks are all Mexicans and doubtful most of them are here legally. Almost every restaurant owner I talk to acknowledges this fact. I am sure there are always exceptions to the rule. Almost every contractor I talk to says the same thing. Virtually every construction site I see there are Mexicans working. Down here in Norman drive down main street east of the interstate and see whos doing the road work.
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:51 pm
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As for the child molesters? I too question why we as a state passed laws encouraging them to come to Oklahoma while passing laws to keep Hispanics out. What is this love affair between Oklahoma and pedophiles? You move a mountain of child molesters next door to children and tell the parents if they don't like it then keep their kids indoors? Where are our priorities?
Randy, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:47 pm
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I am somewhat taken aback at the crap being thrown at Judge Cauthron by Rep. Terrill and others. She was recommended by former Sen. Nickles and appointed by President G.W. Bush. She is not an activist judge by any stretch of the imagination. She's a good, fair minded judge who rules on the law and the facts of the case before her. You might disagree with her but don't call her names.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Vote them out of office. It's more than time for the citizens to stop putting up with the bs these elected officials are putting out. We the people are stronger than any business or chamber of commerce if we work together. it's a damn shame that this country is being taken over by illegals.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Add to the boycott list: any grocer or restaurant selling beef, pork, chicken, fish, vegetables, bread, milk, etc; every motel, hotel, convention center, car wash, janitorial company, landscaping company, home builder, etc. Don’t just pick and choose boycott everyone. From the Mexican raising feed, to the Mexican raising the cows who eat the feed, to the Mexicans who process the cows for slaughter to the Mexican that serves you the beef and cleans up after you. End it all. But don’t you dare complain when you are at Wal-Mart fighting over who gets to pay ten bucks for the one or two withered tomatoes they have. Don’t complain when they quadruple the cost of your kid’s school lunch or don’t say a word when the schools say no more milk. And don’t you dare whine about every business out there raising their prices and fees because they’ve had to hire additional workers to keep up with the records. Cut off your nose to spite your face. It’s better than thinking. You deserve the full force and results of your shortsighted laws. The answer should be what laws would accomplish the most for America, not what laws would douse your flames. Legislate with reason, not passion. Decide what you need and what you can do without and make those the goals. Having said that, I know it will never happen. In Oklahoma despite whatever it costs if an Okie can claim they got one over on a powerless person than those bragging rights are more important than eating. You don’t want solutions, you want a stick to hit someone with.
Randy, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Actually, Richard, none of my employees even know Spanish..They are whites and blacks. My point was...that apparently went over your head...when Jeff stated no-one else will do these jobs but the illegals....he is the one off base.
K, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:41 pm
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Richard they were here legally. Get over it. You used a bad example. But as I am now a terrorist supporter for pointing out the facts to you, I better go work on a bomb or something and you can stay here and give the others a moron to laugh at.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:41 pm
If more of you had bothered to read the opinion (assuming you can), you would understand the basis on which Judge Cauthron ruled. You would also understand that this is not over. The defendants in the case, have the opportunity to present their arguments on why this TEMPORARY injunction should be overturned, and the case itself is not settled. Judge Cauthron's careful and thorough reasoning was fully supported by the established case law she cited. This is not the final decision in the case, but it does bring into question whether the legislature overreached established case and Federal law and whether HB 1804 is constitutionally sound. If you have not bothered to read the order, you are not qualified to comment on it. Our legislature does not have the authority to violate established precedent because ill-informed citizens, even a majority of them, want that. You will recall it was the law in Arkansas and Alabama that blacks could not attend state institutions of education. Those laws clearly violated the Constitution and were overturned.
Jan, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:41 pm
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B, you are so off base. they came here with visa (stuudent) and then disappeared and never did anything to let anyone know where they were. bet you let the criminals speak their language in liew of english while they are working, please let us know where you work so we can avoid a terrorist supporter
richard, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Well Jeff your remarks are probably the most unintelligent that I have ever heard!! I am a Manager in a foodservice industry and I have more applicatons than I have openings and I guarantee you not one is an illegal alien.
K, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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Yeah I remember 9/11. 16 of the 19 were here LEGALLY and the other 3 were likely here legally. Bad example. Made worse by you opening your post with asking anyone if they remembered 9/11 when you know so little about it.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Regarding Brent from Jenks comment; look towards Vince Orza as a business owner to boycott. I listened to him speak at a luncheon as he spoke out against HB 1804 as a whole and supports its failure. Obviously neither Vince, Her Honor, nor any other supporter of HB 1804 has been in the position of investigating an automobile collision and shouldering the responsibility of telling the seriously injured that the other driver is an "undocumented alien" that is driving without a valid license, has no insurance, and most of the time the vehicle is still registered in the name of the car lot/note lot that they are making cash payments to without having to pay to title it. This burns my *ss! HB 1804 isn't perfect but its an attempt to correct a HUGE problem that nobody else had the guts to do. Re-write it, re-vamp it, or totally re-do it if we must, but enforce the damn law so that the citizens of Oklahoma are protected!
H, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:26 pm
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does any one remember 9/11 and how those people got in and stayed here unpunished? exactly with the attitude of hb1804 being a hate thing. it isn't and never was, it is enforcing the laws of our country and the h to those who don't want it enforced! it will be one way or another. let immigration be done properly not illegally. and yes the biggest majority of these crimianal are hispanics. if this statement upsets that community then tough, but if it males sence than start by removing the criminals you are supporting and showing your loyalty to our laws and not to criminals.
we will continue to and hopefully enlarge our boycott of the chamber businesses and put them in bankruptcy as soon as possible
richard, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Paris,
That is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Be sure and boycott all of the produce at the grocery store that is probably picked and produced by illegals to. The majority of restaurants, construction companies, and lodging facilities have to hire these people because guess what the vast majority of people don't want these jobs period. A lot of these people aren't paid any less money than your grocery cashier or bank teller. This slavery thing is a joke.
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm
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Um American you don't want anymore rapists on the streets? Then ask these good Christians why they financed Hand Up Ministries and they keep fighting to keep that cult rolling? If you're serious about not wanting more rapists, and pedophiles, then you need to shut down the child molester cult....but you won't because they're decent white Christians - that crippling toddlers while raping them is only an occasional thing.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Typical OKIE...Someone who is easily incited and led by scare tactics. Someone who can't stand Mexicans and wants them out of the state, but at the same time imports child molesters from around the country to reside in their main city and then they turn them loose on their very own children in some perverted, twisted sense of morals. Congratulations Oklahoma on your swapping Mexicans for pedophiles! We'll see how that works out for ya!
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Another Liberal judge genuflecting to special interest lobby. The Save Act would overrule any state law and bring back 'The RULE OF LAW' to our nation.

Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) need to be fully funded, so as representatives of 'THE PEOPLE' they can use interior enforcement, to go after parasite employers. An army of (ICE) can check construction sites and other businesses, to determine if the employer is hiring illegal aliens. But of most importance is to rid our nation of the criminal's who also came with cheap labor. Finally after the enactment of the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli immigration bill three decades ago, the law is finally being strictly enforced. If you want the (ICE) to get the job done and send the millions of illegal aliens fleeing your state. Then Demand the Democrats endorse the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088), which will give the agency the monetary backing to imprison predator businesses and go after 'Sanctuary city' states. Today! NOW! Phone: (2022243121)
Dave, Indianapolis - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm
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Oops ... that should have been "everyone thinks that Hate Bill 1804" ... sorry for the typo!
Donna, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm
It seems that everyone thingks that Hate Bill 1804 was only about illegal immigrants, but it isn't. There is a clause that requires LEGAL residents to set themselves apart (like the Jews in Nazi Germany) simply because they choose, for whatever reason, not to become citizens. My husband is a LEGAL resident (we spent three years and nearly $10K getting his green card) but must get a new driver's license with TEMPORARY on it in huge red letters just because he doesn't want to give up his British citizenship. (Before anyone gets hateful, we pay US *and* UK income taxes.) I don't mind weeding out the illegals, but when someone has taken the proper path to do the right thing, penalizing them is wrong. Shame on you, Randy Terrill!!
Donna, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I want the ones who are breaking the law (other than being here illegally) to be deported. We do not need any more murderes and rapists on the streets. If they are following the law of the land I'm okay with the people being here--just learn English or go home.
american, anywhere - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:47 pm
He's right. You thieves are just trying to protect your stolen goods. That's what you do: you steal the land by killing off the people living there, you enslave people to work the land for you, then when everything is taken over and built up for you, you sit back wanting everyone gone so you can sit on your ill-gotten goods. What are you whites going to do? You don't have the blacks as slaves to do the work and now you won't have the Mexicans to do your work. Watch it crumble. But in the end you whites are quickly becoming the minority..already are in about five states. In a few decades it is all going to be taken back from you and you just better hope the new owners are a lot more decent people than you ever were.
James, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Get over it Tim they sold the land to the govenment for trinkets and booze. If you went back in history and tried to give back everything that onse belonged to another you would have a long list ahead of you.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I do hope they get every illegal out of the country anyway. I just can't wait to see you dips screaming at a twenty dollar head of lettuce or paying triple for a cheeseburger.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm
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One thing they can't revoke is determining the status of someone when they arrested or detained because that's a law enforcement issue. So, illegals are still walking on egg shells because if they make a wrong turn, turn without signaling, get arrested or anything involving law enforcent, they could be detained and deported. It didn't mention anything about renting or landlords did it? This isn't covered by employer sanctions, so I'm not sure where that stands. It also didn't mention anything about denying taxpayer services of health care or social care, I'm not sure where that stands. Pretty much an unclear injunction set forth by Judge no name.
J.T.(I), Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:33 pm
And to be technical about it, as the land had been given into trust to the NA's making it a sovereign land then no outside government had the authority to give it away, but they did anyway. Get out illegal.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:32 pm
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Sorry Paris
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Whatever legal. Slavery was legal too, so I guess that's alright with you.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:30 pm
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April please let us know if you set up the site or find one we each can affect the outcome if we are uniformed in our approach.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:30 pm
you still look pretty ignorant. i know what you were saying, but it was all part of a legal settlement. where as illegal immigrants are, hence the name, illegal.
Josh, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
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Josh seems to have a problem wanting everyone out of OKC. Josh apparently thinks the solution to any problem is to turn tale in run. Tim on the otherhand thinks Josh is a big ole sissy that runs at the sight of a bug. You'll recognize Josh by the yellow stripe running down his back, as he runs from everything. Other people that have a problem find other solutions, than Josh's only solution of high tailing it out of town.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
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April, the wisest words spoken today.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:26 pm
No Josh you get your facts straight. I made no mention of Sooners, so wasn't only referencing them. The land, all of it, was stolen. Now who looks ignorant? Why do I live in OKC? To make sure you don't steal anything else.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:26 pm
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I think we have a need for a site that does post companies that employ illegals. I would love to tell everyone where the place am boycotting is but, not on this site.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:25 pm
If the intellectuals in the group would ignore das (and Tim), he/they will eventually get bored and go away. By responding to their stupidity, we are feeding into their little game...
April, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:25 pm
first of all it was a land run, yes, some went earlier than others. before you comment next time, tim, get your facts straight. it makes you look ignorant otherwise. same question to you, if you feel this way, why do you live in okc?!?!?!
Josh, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:19 pm
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You Okies sure didn't seem to mind illegal immigrations when you ran your hineys up in the place stealing every plot of land you could find. You're just thieves trying to protect your stolen goods.
Tim, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:17 pm
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Thank God we have judges to interpret the laws and the enforcement of these laws. Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all left up to the so-called Christian legislators and the duh repubs who post on this site. God help us.
Milkman, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Paris please share the place I will join your boycott.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I am all for that list. I am boycotting a place now because they have a known illegal working for them. I have not one thing against anyone coming into this country the legal way but, I do have a real thing about anything illegal. I even ask the people who knock on my door to do lawn work to produce a green card before I talk to them. So far not one person has shown me one. Enough said.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Das, you may be able to read beyond a sixth grade level but your grammar stinks, (along with your thinking, I might add).
HELEN, NOBLE - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:02 pm
My husband has no problem with that part of HB 1804 and he is a small business owner. I am more than dissapointed that this part of the bill is being eliminated. I own rental property and would be more than happy to comply. The are not going to take your property or close your business because you accepted fake documents. It is only if you knowingly did it. I am a little miffed at calling these law breakers Immigrants the are law breakers the second they come into the country. They suck our social services dry and put our hospitals out of business and then demand their "rights" If I went to another country and demanded my rights I would be told in no uncertain terms that I had no rights. This looks like someone wants the cheap labor and is willing to do anything to get it. When Oklahoma did something that other states applauded us for we are struck down again.
And to Das, when I was a child in Calif. a black person could go to any school, any movie or any eating place, it was the Mexicans that were not allowed to do this. The Mexicans were never welcomed with open arms in Calif.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Does any one have or know of a list which contains the businesses who wish to continue using the illegal workers so we can effectively boycott their establishments.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 3:27 PM

YES, every restaurant you go to;Italian,BBQ,Mexican,Chi,etc.
Josh, Moore - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm
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Glenna, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:56 pm
das, you need to remember from whence you came... And CA. did let alot of OKIES in, very few were turned away... the ones that were, was because of a fear of over population, and adding to their burden... You need to learn your 'HISTORY'... Why don't you go walk off all alone and just die...
Ollie, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I guess I missed something. I didn't know there was a federal law making illegal immigration legal. Maybe the judge meant the part of federal law we have been ignoring for years. This new State law wmight intefer with ignoring Federal law. If there is anything in the State law that causes a hardship on any legal immigrants or legal residents that part only ought to be changed. If the State law is designed against any one group of legal residents it is wrong. Anything done to make it harder to slow down illegal immigration is also wrong. This is what we get when we have judges appointed for life. They don't have to concern themselves with the law any longer. They just do what they want to.
Don, Garland - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:37 pm
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Does anyone else find it funny that the same political opponents who support affirmative action and promote the idea that severe forms of racism still exist in our society are the same ones again tough immigration laws like this one, which essentially protects illegal immigrants from a new form of slavery in our society (i.e. working for less wages, less benefits)?
Mary, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:37 pm
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Did you have to swim to get her das and is the ridiculous amount of money your talkign about the $4 an hour these useless business owners are paying you guys now.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:36 pm
This is a bunch of crock. Where do I go to apply to be a damn illlegal scumbag criminal????? I want to know NOW !!!!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm
When they do read the constitution they usually misapply its meaning.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:25 pm
When one 'studies' the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, the states are supposed to have MORE power than the feds. It kept the feds from becoming a Democracy and having a dictatorship over us, trampling over everybody's rights in rule of the majority. Also we have disrespectful judges like the US Supreme Court who can't even read the Constitution let alone rule in favor of it. Remember eminent domain?
Richard, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I think mebbe das wants us to quit picking on Mexicans because so much shabu comes from Mexico...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:09 pm
das, if you feel okies are such idiots and should have their citizenshitp stripped, then why are you living in okc? idiot!
Josh, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:00 pm
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In all fairness, the Court finding that “Plaintiffs have established a substantial likelihood of success on the merits of the case” made a proper judgment. I did not see or the last paragraph in the article did not show up when I first read it. When the last paragraph of the article quotes the Judges order, then it makes sense.
citizen, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 4:00 pm
So, I suppose the question then becomes whether or not ANYONE has the ability to find illegals with fake documents. When would the Feds have a chance to do it?
Brer Rabbit, Briar Patch - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Brent from Jenks, if a business has a little sticker on the door or window that indicates it is a member of the Chamber of Commerce, they contributed to fighting the bill. You don't need a list, just look for the sticker.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:56 pm
What some of you don't understand is that regular background checks are not the issue. If it was as simple as that I bet most businesses would not care one bit as most do that now. The issue is that many illegal immigrants have paperwork that clears with regular background checks. The issue is that even if a business does a check it is not enough under the current wording on the bill and businesses can be held accountable for false identification that they had no way of reasonably determining it was false. This injunction is the first step in getting this house bill corrected to let it do what it is supposed to do and not unjustly punishing those that is shouldn't. I just hope they extend it to landlords if they pass the son of HB 1804 because in that bill a landlord can lose their rental property simple because an illegal has well made fake documentation that checks out with background checks.
joe, edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:51 pm
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I think it is unfortunate that many business' have come to rely on illegal immigrants for their workforce, but it is illegal, and it is finally time that we are standing up and doing something about it. If they (illegal immigrants) want to work or live here, do it legally. This is not just a drain on the City's that these folks live in, but also the State, and Federal government. I for one, am tired of my tax dollars going to those that don't contribute any tax dollars. Let's not forget the ones that use stolen Social Security numbers and leave that tax burden to the rightful individual.
Josh, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:50 pm
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Lou, the only blacks you could send 'back' would be the ones 'brought over originally'... The rest are just Americans like you & I... The 'originals' were the only ones who were 'African Americans'...
Ollie, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:43 pm
What a great explanation from the judge. Can we get more info please? How ridiculous. When does the state upholding the laws ever interfere with the feds doing it ? You'd think the feds would be happy for some help.
jennifer, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Dumb ass legal voters! Your vote means nothing! Get use to it.
Jerry L., Guthrie - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:39 pm
“... ruling it likely interferes ...” What? The Court has no business making a “likely” judgment. The provision in HB 1804 does or does not interfere with federal regulations regarding the hiring of unauthorized workers. I guess that this ruling means that for now Oklahomans that suspect illegals in the work place not in compliance with federal regulations will contact the INS or the FBI to investigate if a suspicion has foundation. The judgment if upheld places unreasonable burdens on “We the people” who already pay taxes for the enforcement of our laws.
citizen, Edmond - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:38 pm
I love how some of you people think you have more sense than the Chief Judge... 1804 violates the Constitution. Will of the people my a$$.
Matt, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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I think my rights have been violated at my company. They did a background check on whether I was legal or not. =oP
Jeff, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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I think they should put it to the vote of the people of Oklahoma, and only the legal ones with the proper ID upon showing up at the polls (like it should be anyway, but thats another bill that got shot down) and I would bet my drawers the vote would pass. Randy Terrill has been the only one of our legistators not afraid to stand up and say, enough is enough, in other words get legal or get out!
E, Moore - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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It was a sarcastic comment from an irish catholic.
lambert, oklahoma city - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Does any one have or know of a list which contains the businesses who wish to continue using the illegal workers so we can effectively boycott their establishments.
Brent, Jenks - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Lambert, what's next. Send the Blacks back to Africa?
LG, Yukon - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:25 pm
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Jess, Well, I don't remember this bill being voted by the people, it went to committee and then the legislature rushed it through. So maybe it wasn't/is the will of the people. A vote by the people would solidify or squash it.
LG, Yukon - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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Looks like these employers will deny you employment for a bad credit history, drug test, criminal background and any other offense that they determine is detrimental to their business but apparently being in this country illegally is ok since they don't have to provide you with benefits or pay you legal wage. Since they are already doing these background checks for a host of other violations or conditions their argument is very poor saying it would cause them undue burden. The will of the people of Oklahoma has shouted loud and clear that the enforcement of all provisions of HB 1804 is what we want. Until we who want that enforcement are willing to stop patronizing those businesses who do not want to support HB 1804 they could care less and will continue to laugh in your face.
Jess, Norman - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:19 pm
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This isn't over and I will help Randy Terrill get re-elected, in any way I can! We need more legislators like him.
Tom, Tulsa - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:16 pm
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Well, I don't remember this bill being voted by the people, it went to committee and then the legislature rushed it through. So maybe it wasn't/is the will of the people. A vote by the people would solidify or squash it.
LG, Yukon - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:14 pm
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Interesting that the story didn't bother to mention the name of the judge, though as a federal judge, he(or she) would have been appointed for life by a sitting president and not subject to being voted out of office. So, without naming the judge, we don't know which president to blame for this. In addition--the Gaylord mafia wins again!
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:13 pm
mister, for one, I agree with you. Absolutly disgusting. The will of the people of oklahoma have been ignored again.
J, Anonymous - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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What a crock. I wonder how much the Judge was paid to make that decision?
Rufus, spencer - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:07 pm
There is nothing hateful about this bill. It is about the right and wrong of "unlawful immigration" and the impact it places on our society. The last I checked, this is the will of the majority of people... Oh excuse me... you apparently want a socialist state.
Douglas, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:06 pm
There is nothing hateful about this bill. It is about the right and wrong of "unlawful immigration" and the impact it places on our society. The last I checked, this is the will of the majority of people... Oh excuse me... you apparently want a socialist state.
Douglas, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Maybe with this part of Hate Bill 1804 gone, someone with sense will pitch out the bits that have negative impacts on LEGAL aliens. Randy Terrill, you should be ashamed of yourself. I'll be campaigning against you!
Donna, Oklahoma City - Jun 4, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Back to using slave labor , boycott the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The State Chamber, the Oklahoma City and Tulsa chambers of commerce
mister, bogata - Jun 4, 2008 at 2:53 pm

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