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Oklahoma Co. Sheriff defends jail's conditions
Oklahoma Co. Sheriff defends jail's conditions

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Published: August 5, 2008

A Justice Department report rips the Oklahoma County jail as a chaotic and largely unsupervised den of "unconscionable” violence, abuse and medical neglect.

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Sheriff John Whetsel responds to a U.S. Justice Department report that outlined problems at the Oklahoma County jail during a news conference Monday. BY David McDaniel, The Oklahoman
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More key findings from the Justice Department's report:

Suicide prevention: "Our review of the investigations involving completed suicides and suicide attempts revealed the jail's failure to respond adequately to issues that could help mitigate the success of these activities.”

Inadequate investigation of serious incidents: "While the jail does have an investigatory process, that process is often inadequate to prevent an adequate understanding of the causes leading to an event, or to implement measures to prevent future, similar events ... The jail lacks a formal process for reviewing even detainee deaths for operational breakdowns.”

Inadequate health care: "We uncovered instances where detainees were not provided adequate access to medical care, specifically acute services — with dire results.”

When an inmate was cuffed to a handrail while giving birth to a baby that later died: "In our expert's opinion, this woman's care was 'unconscionable' during the hours she was in critical need of access to medical care.”

Inadequate mental health care: "Other than medicating detainees with Thorazine (which is an older anti-psychotic medication with serious potential side-effects), the jail offers essentially no mental health services to its seriously mentally ill.”

Unsanitary conditions at jail annex: "Detainees have no soap in the cells to wash their hands. Further, the toilet and drinking faucets are small units with the faucet and basin just above the uncovered, foul smelling, filthy commode stool. If a detainee needs water, the detainee has to cup his hand under the faucet and lap water from his hands close above the filth of the toilet bowl.”

Fire hazards: "Fire safety is a grave concern for this jail. We found serious problems with fire safety training, policies, and safety equipment. Both staff and detainees are in serious jeopardy of injury or death during a fire emergency.”

Source: U.S. Department of Justice


What did report find?
Some of the critical portions of the Justice Department's findings:

Security and supervision: "Actual direct supervision of detainees at the jail is virtually non-existent ... Frequent fights or altercations which occur in the cell areas are often the result of inadequate housing unit supervision by jail staff.”

Inmate-on- inmate violence: "There is an inordinately high risk of detainee-on-detainee violence at the jail as a result of the jail's chronic overcrowding, the staff's inability to supervise detainees, and the ability of detainees to bypass at will the security of their cell doors.”

Staff use of force: "Jail staff frequently resort to use of force to control events. Although such uses of force are not per se inappropriate, between January 2006 and March 2007 there were 1,337 reported use of force incidents. In the opinion of our expert, this is an inordinately high number of use of force incidents for a facility the size of the jail.”

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Detailed in the federal report are jail deaths, excessive use of force and a "disturbing” incident in which a pregnant woman was handcuffed to a rail for 10 hours while giving birth to a premature baby.

The child died at a metro-area hospital.

The year-old report was delivered to Oklahoma County officials last week, and Sheriff John Whetsel quickly responded Monday that most of the problems the agency found have already been corrected.

"I am confident that our work to resolve these issues will satisfy the concern expressed by the Department of Justice,” Whetsel said. "I have no problem in telling family members that their loved ones are safe.”

He added, "I can tell you this report is one year old. We have made the corrections.”

However, the seriousness of the report led the U.S. Marshals and Immigration and Customs Enforcement to transfer 160 federal inmates from the Oklahoma County jail over the weekend to jails in Tulsa and Grady counties until the issues are officially resolved.

The report details excessive inmate-on-inmate violence and use of force by jail staff, an unsanitary kitchen with birds and insects, lack of clothing and showers, several fire hazards and virtually no mental health treatment. There is also an inadequate investigatory process to review deaths and other serious incidents, according to the report.

A spokesperson for the Justice Department could not be reached for comment late Monday.

A spokesman for U.S. Attorney John Richter said the department's local office was reviewing the letter sent to the county and had no comment.

What's to blame?
The federal report largely blames the mess on overcrowding and understaffing.

"I told you so,” said a news release from District 2 Commissioner Brent Rinehart, a longtime critic of Whetsel's jail management tactics.

Rinehart, who lost his bid for re-election in last week's primary, quoted the report, saying: "Actual direct supervision of detainees at the jail is virtually nonexistent.”

While overcrowding problems have lessened since the agency's inspections between 2003 and 2007, the jail still houses hundreds more inmates than it was built to hold, according to county officials.

About 50 new detention officers have been hired in the past year, but that progress will likely halt.

Whetsel said that he has ordered a hiring freeze because the removal of the federal inmates could potentially cost the county $3.2 million a year in lost revenue.

The federal government pays the county to hold federal inmates. Whetsel has also asked his top deputies to look at options to cut the department's budget.

Whetsel displeased with report process
County officials learned of the problems during an April 2007 meeting with Justice Department officials.

Based on that meeting, Whetsel then began correcting the problems and additionally prepared a 148-page response to the federal agency's 24-page assessment.

That report was delivered to the federal agency a year ago, and Whetsel expressed displeasure Monday that his report hadn't been factored into the report the Justice Department delivered to the county last week.

The Justice Department investigation of the jail was ordered in 2003. Whetsel said Monday he didn't know why the Oklahoma County jail was chosen for an investigation.

What are next steps?
District 3 County Commissioner Ray Vaughn didn't share Rinehart's assessment of the report.

"It's unfortunate that the report is a year old and has a lot of things in it that have been addressed,” Vaughn said. "I think things have improved considerably.”

Still, Whetsel has asked Vaughn to organize a committee that will research solutions to the problems at the jail.

The seven-member Detention Advisory Committee will likely be created at next week's county commissioners meeting, Vaughn said.

The committee will build on the work of the Jail Funding Task Force, which Vaughn said has run its course.

"These problems stem from a poor design in the structure to begin with,” Vaughn said. "The only solution to that is to try another structure, and we'll be looking at that.”

The U.S. Attorney General could file a lawsuit against Oklahoma County if conditions do not improve, according to the report.

Contributing: Staff Writer Jay F. Marks

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There is an inadequate investigative process for serious incidents but they can put together a "Detention Advisory Committee" in a week? Maybe they should also be assigned to investigate all Serious Incident Reports.
Laura, Edmond - Aug 10, 2009 at 3:28 pm
The only way that the jail will be fixed is the same way that DHS will be fixed. A top to bottom revamp brought on by expensive litigation. The Sheriff has no defense, it is up to him and the County Commissioner's to accept responsibility and move on to correct the issues.
Tom, Oklahoma City - Aug 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm
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By State Law the Sheriff is responsible for the jail. The Chargers and Tactical Vehicle were all purchased with drug seizure funds and grants funds. That funding CANNOT be used for jail operations. People are complaining and commenting when they're uneducated about what they're talking about. Whetsel is a whiz at getting grants and drug money. He uses it for all he can....but the simple fact of the matter is, that money cannot be used for the jail. Jail operations plague many counties in Oklahoma. Just watch the news. It happens everywhere. Oklahoma County just happens to be the largest correctional institution in the entire state....bigger than any prison we have. It takes a lot of work to run the place. I worked there years ago....I know what goes on there. It is a pain to manage the place.
Eric, Edmond - Aug 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm
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Eric, Edmond - Aug 6, 2008 at 9:58 pm
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By State Law the Sheriff is responsible for the jail. The Chargers and Tactical Vehicle were all purchased with drug seizure funds and grants funds. That funding CANNOT be used for jail operations. People are complaining and commenting when they're uneducated about what they're talking about. Whetsel is a whiz at getting grants and drug money. He uses it for all he can....but the simple fact of the matter is, that money cannot be used for the jail. Jail operations plague many counties in Oklahoma. Just watch the news. It happens everywhere. Oklahoma County just happens to be the largest correctional institution in the entire state....bigger than any prison we have. It takes a lot of work to run the place. I worked there years ago....I know what goes on there. It is a pain to manage the place.
Eric, Edmond - Aug 6, 2008 at 9:57 pm
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It's time to change leadership of the jail. The people of Oklahoma County must start to look at a jail trust that would operate the jail. Whetsel needs to go and then the sheriff should be removed from the operations of the jail. We need a jail trust and the professional management that goes along with it.
Craig, Midwest City - Aug 6, 2008 at 8:43 pm
WHY IS IT that Whetsel purchases new Dodge Chargers and armored vehicles but not use the funding for improving the jail? How can people tolerate this?
Craig, Midwest City - Aug 6, 2008 at 8:27 pm
The commments from RON,Oklahoma City are lies. The commissioners have NO CONTROL over the spending habits of the sheriff. They can only vote against an expenditure of another county elected official if that purchase is illegal. Rinehart consistantly voted against Whetsel's wasteful spending and he was attacked by everyone. And as far as Whetsels spending, his jail budget has more than doubled since 2001. Has your income more than doubled since 2001?
Craig, Midwest City - Aug 6, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Jim - you said to use the money allotted to the County Sheriff's Office wisely, not the taxpayers money. Where the heck do you think the money allotted comes from? You certainly won't be getting my vote if you don't even have a clue how the office you want to hold is funded. How stupid do you think we are?
D, Choctaw - Aug 6, 2008 at 6:42 pm
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TU your such a moron! go have another beer! it seems you were drunk when you posted the most idiotic post ever in the article about the puppy and infant, as you can see they decided after yours that it was not proper and shut the comments off. If you could post something half way intelligent rather than "DIE okies" or "Beer is good", then you might actually get some credit for it. And Mike, yes, people are complaining about the conditions in the jail, it happens to also be a place that innocent people are held until they are found that way by a court of law, if you read the report, even authorities found it to be wrong. An infant died due to a mother being cuffed to bars, people are delivering undue justice in a violent way that they are not given the power by authority to deliver...i.e. beating someone to death over racial issues, gang issues etc. It is greedy political figures that allow the more than double occupancy of the building, its the padded pockets that turn their head so they don't have to feel the guilt when they see what they know is wrong. If we could just get one in there that knew how to stand up for what he knew was right and just and do it for the love of the field he chose as a career instead of the monetary over-gain, then it might just be turned around one day. Unfortunately human nature just isn't that pure is it? Its hard when your think'n about getting that new government paid for car or that extra incentive money for the 200 more inmates your serving lunch to, to consider what the right thing is....
Cassie, Moore - Aug 6, 2008 at 3:06 pm
All jails are dangerous. They are designed to house people who break the laws of the land. A sheriff cannot take the whole responsibility for tragic events that occur in a jail facility, but do have the means in correcting issues when they do occur or in preventing certain incidents ... the Oklahoma County jail needs reform and a leadership that understands jail operations, issues and the problems that can occur. Anyone who has ever worked inside the County jail understand that real problems that have happened and why they continue on today. There are no real quick solutions here, any intelligent person can see that, but the solution here is not special committees or in building a new jail, it is finding someone who knows jail and one who can provide the proper management and solutions for the jail under fire here, the present Oklahoma County jail. The taxpayers have paid enough for the jail bailouts, its time to spend the money that is allotted annually for the County Sheriff's Office wisely, not the taxpayers money.
Anything said here is not going to change the facts and tragic events that have occurred .. but may help others here see the real solutions on election day, November 4, 2008.
If anyone here has a problem with everything that has happened in the jail or sheriff's office, or feel that everything is okay with the present conditions of the sheriff's office ... by all means, be sure to vote for the person you believe is the right person for the job of sheriff.
Jim, Del City - Aug 6, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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WOW, people are really complaining about the conditions, did we forget who stays in the county jail???, if it is so bad why do the same criminals go back again and again and again, people that are in the jail have commited CRIMES against the citizens of OKC, lets make it as uncomfortable as possible for them, I want to personnaly thank all the jail staff for handling one of the toughest jobs out there, dealing with the most dangerous people in OK county.
mike, Oklahoma City - Aug 6, 2008 at 1:58 pm
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If the Okla. County jail is that unsafe, I would like to see Joyce Gilchrist and Bob Macy in there. These are the biggest criminals in Oklahoma history. They have murdered innocent people and framed many innocent inmates. Until they are dealt with, the Oklahoma judicial system will never have any creditability.....P.S., I have never been arrested and been in jail. I just don't understand how people can defend the treatment of the prisoners in county lock up yet don't scream for these two to pay for the crimes they have committed against the ones they knew were truly innocent.
UnSub, Yukon - Aug 6, 2008 at 1:06 pm
It seems to be far more "enlightened" than the other, more "culturally hip" parts of this state, for sure.
paul, yukon - Aug 6, 2008 at 11:05 am
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Yukon? Why that's just a hot bed of enlightenment.
James, oklahoma city - Aug 6, 2008 at 10:53 am
Imagine that..the Feds have to step in again. Why is it the feds are always having to step into something in Oklahoma? Nursing homes, county jails, prisons, hospitals, you name it..it's almost like this is some 3rd world country...oh wait, it is. Be proud of yourselves Okies, look at how big a "big league city" you really are....
paul, yukon - Aug 6, 2008 at 5:17 am
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A lot of long posts. Somebody read them and post a 25 word summation.
burt, edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 11:41 pm
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Well I am glad to see that someone has opening up the bottle of tuna bait there in the Oklahoma County jail. The whole mess stinks. The first one that needs to go is the SHERIFF. Then some of those wonderful people they call Jailor's. What kind of fools do we have running the system up there. This is America and to handcuff a pregnant woman to a rail for ten hours and then let her baby die.The whole damn bunch that was in on that needs to have charges filed against them. Whetsel being the first one. He let's those people up there run that jail the way they want to run it. They are very, very mean to citizens that are brought in and booked into that jail. I agree just because your charged with a crime doesn't mean they have the authority to use force on a person. They don't care if your chocking on something they will just walk right on by like they don't see you. That is wrong for a jail to be run that way. But then again look at what they hire to run the jailhouse up there. Good Job Oklahoma County for voting in a wonderful Sheriff.
glenda, oklahoma city - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Well, I see John is your typical criminal. He cries about being improperly incarcerated and when you ask for specifics he says he doesn't want to talk about it, even though he was the one that brought it up. I guess no person in this world is really guilty of a crime. It is all someone else's fault, all cops are on the take, and their problems are due to everyone else but them.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm
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How about if the Oklahoma County Jail was just used for its intended purpose? That would be to house detainees and prisoners for Oklahoma County and Oklahoma City. The Oklahoma County Jail was not intended to be used as a warehouse for State and/or Federal prisoners. The Sheriff will lose money but what is not telling anyone is that is costs more to house these state and federal inmates than the county is being paid by the state and feds. How much business sense does that make? Whetsel is a very poor business manager. And by the way, it was Brent Rinehart who was instrumental in getting many of the state prisoners moved to state facilities so the sheriff could attempt to meet the needs and expenses of the County. The City of Oklahoma City does pay the County for each detainee/prisoner held in the County jail. It is my understanding that the City pays more than the state or feds for this "service." Also all City prisoners who are actually booked into the jail are charged for that "pleasure." The amount is somewhere between $100 to $150. If the charges are dropped by the City the charge is voided. When it comes to the cars purchased by the Sheriff - the story from the Sheriff is that those vehicles were purchased with some sort of a "grant" that he has never fully explained. According to the Sheriff those funds can only be used to purchase vehicles and not for any other purpose. Sounds like a load of BS to me.
D, Choctaw - Aug 5, 2008 at 7:14 pm
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Why isn't anyone decent trying to run against Whetsel? I want to see him go as well, but Jesus Christ his only opponent is Jim "Nutjob" Heitmeyer? There are posts about him here. Well, he is indeed some nutty loon. He had a canopy pitched on a corner in Del City the other. Through up some horribly painted signs and staggered around looking like he was auditioning for a zombie movie. If you just google his name you'll find links to various blogs he has, read his posts carefully. You'll find some real gems with this fruit loop. He has been keeping the Blackwater Group job off of his official resume, and refuses to discuss it whatsoever. Something happened there. Next time I hope someone more competent steps up to run.
James, oklahoma city - Aug 5, 2008 at 6:37 pm
VOTE FOR JIM HEITMEYER if you want someone with major mental health problems, which anyone he has ever worked for will attest. Vote for him if you want a KKK member running a county office. Vote for him if you don't care about the alleged rape of a woman that forced him to slither away from his job at the mercinary group called Blackwater. Vote for him and maybe he'll let you sit atop the county jail and watch out for UFOS. Vote for him if you think a paranoid schizophrenic with a military disability pension who has to draw campaign signs as badly as his buddy Rinehart draws funny books.
Randy, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm
In 2001, I spent a few days in Okla. County Jail. Due to the overcrowding I slept on the floor the whole time. We had three and sometimes four men in a two person cell. This was very common at that time I was told.
A month later at my church, John Whetsel spoke there. I was there. He told every person sitting there that morning that no one ever sleeps on the floor. It just doesn't happen.
I personally have seen how Mr. Whetsel lies.
Michael, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm
James. If you had read all of my posts you would see that I stated that my case was thrown out. Yes, the Edmond police pretty much came into my house and hauled me off. She later admitted that I was innocent and was telling the truth. I am not going to waste my time explaining my case to you and what I was accused of. I knew I would open up a can of worms with morons like you after sharing my story.
John, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 4:55 pm
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I don't believe for a minute that these problems are fixed. What needs to happen is have these officals see what really happens, send them there for the weekend! He dont see what goes on, there are several cameras but if there are humans controlling them--then when can change the view so it doesn't see the gaurd beat a Jailee in his/her cell because the camera was the other direction. This needs to be fixed and not just say it was!! Time for a NEW SHERIFF!!
Tasha, OKLAHOMA CITY - Aug 5, 2008 at 4:54 pm
James your an idiot, if you were paying attention, it was a friend of my brothers, younger brother, not someone he associated with on a daily basis, do you hop in a car and automatically assume it is stolen? Do you ride to the casino up the road and sit in the passenger seat and think..hmmm this car could be stolen...the kids dad owned a garage, he was a mechanic, he still would have NEVER known it was stolen if the 18 year old kid had not ran a stop sign, it was not a new car, nothing that threw up any kind of red flag, so no it is not obvious that he needed to be arrested, you were out of line to say so.
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:52 pm
JP, I would be the first to throw my brother to the wolves if what they were trying charge him with was the truth, a woman died. If he would have had knowledge of it being a stolen truck, for one he never would have gotten into it, that is not how my family does things but if he had made a bad judgment, he is an honest man and he would have took his part of it. Obviously Judge Bass-Lesure knew the truth when she heard it. So aside of the above comments, there are only two words I really have for you JP, but I will be polite and not put them on here.

Paul, it is getting worse everyday, Tulsa is becoming complete chaos. Just wait till we get all the transplanted Seatleites!
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:41 pm
John, I would like you to expand on how the police just walked in to your home or wherever it was and arrested you without probable cause. What did your wife tell them and what evidence did htey use to hold you?
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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Cassie, your brother obviously needed to be arrested as he was associating with a criminal who was in the act of a felony. I suppose if they would have walked into a bank and your brother claims he didn't know it was going to be robbed he would be completely innocent too? He sounds like every guy you see on the show Cops who is pulled over in a stolen car and says, "I didn't know it was stolen occifer." I guess one day this guy's friend had nothing and the next day he was rollin in a new vehicle even though he has no job and the passenger never thought, "Gee, I wonder how he came up with this car?" If you think that is the case you are fooling yourself.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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Hey, do what the government did to Native Americans.... Give them blankets infected with diseases!!!
EyeSpy, All Over The Place - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm
The answer is simple, but requires a strong sheriff (as no amount of mollycoddling will ever please the civil libertarians; they have never met a perp they didn't love): use the jail to house only prisoners awaiting trial for the first time; house convicted prisoners, parole violators, and ex-felons being charged again in a tent city modeled on those of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix). Put everyone in pink (for its calming influence) jumpsuits, use the convicts for public works programs, and makes books available for entertainment. No gym equipment. Hard discipline and Oklahoma fresh air will do wonders for the situation.
TJ, Alameda - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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I am beginning to think every person in the Ok County jail is innocent. No wait, I think I agree with CJ that no criminal ever admits to their guilt, nor do their families. Look at the chick in Florida who is lying about her kid's wherabouts. Her mom is in complete denial when everyone with a brain knows that little girl is dead and it was at least in part due to her mom. Boo hoo hoo to all you people with your sad stories.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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Why is it nearly every day we hear about one more thing that sucks in either OKC or the state in general?
paul, yukon - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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OK, back to the real issue here - overcrowding. Rather than focus on Whetsel, why not focus on some of the District Court Judges that are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at people for infractions that they would receive a substantially lesser penalty in any other state?
B, Geary - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:13 pm
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well there is one good thing about county, all the hot sex!
tu, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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And you are correct Randy, he was NEVER sentenced, he was never found guilty, he was acquitted, dismissed and apologized to for the 3 years he lost in the world. That is the justice system for ya! I wonder how many crimes were committed that went unsolved or slid by in the three years that an innocent man had to endure in the great Oklahoma County Department of Corruption...
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Russell needs to experience what I went through, an unexpected trip to Oklahoma County. I had the house in Edmond, the dream job etc. Wife was mental and decides she wanted to cause some problems so she makes up some crap. Without even having the opportunity to explain yourself you are going to jail awaiting a trial until proven innocent. I never dreamed it could happen to me but it did. I lost my job, house and respect from others from this little situation. I fortunately have it all back now. The ex did a little stint in a psych ward as well.
John, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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The sheriff of Nottingham defends his conditions! Why are there conditions in the first place if he is doing his duty!!!!
Daniel, Guymon - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:56 pm
your talking business Russell, I don't believe the average everyday citizen runs a background check on someone they go to the casino with. I can understand it if it has to do with business, but I am a fairly friendly person and I am sorry, it would just be to time consuming and financially draining to run a background check on people I encounter from day to day. I didn't mean to call you a liar Russell, but I do in fact have a hard time believing it..it seems a little extravagant. If I had to go about my day so un trusting of others that I had to check their criminal history, it would get old. Your certainly a different kind of person Russell, I respect that, but I also can't see living some of the ways you have spelled out your views over the past few months. And it seems we have gotten off subject again. My point was and still is, the county jail is understaffed, overcrowded, under trained where they are staffed, and it is a horrible environment, criminal or not. I think that is messes up the minds of the innocent who are put there until they can no longer be held or finally found "not guilty". As far as the old man who was stomped to death, your right, I don't know all the details, I just know that it happened, was allowed to happen and it should not have been, I am sure he did not deserve to die like that in shame in front of every other criminal on the ground with a position of authority standing guard. That was just really encouraging to the others to commit such crimes. He was on the medical floor, I do know that much, and it was a bunch of aryan (spelling)brotherhood, while many stood on and cheered. what is right or just about that?
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:54 pm
VOTE FOR JIM HEITMEYER...................
Earl, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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Russell and CJ have air-tight arguments which cannot be refuted in any way; are superior mentally, morally, and spiritually; and I am with them all the way. Wait, that would require not thinking. I take it back.
Jim, norman - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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Russell if stupidity ever becomes an Olympics event, then we'll be seeing you on a box of Wheaties. The man was not sentenced. Try to understand that many in in the county jail are awaiting trial. They've not been found guilty. Some of them never will be found guilty. And look at just the ones who have been cleared of murdering someone and they were just days away from execution. People get picked up all the time for not doing something. Most the time they are doing something, but not all the time. Oh tell Jim "Hitman" Heitmeyer Swiss Cleaners called and his white sheets are ready. And Tanner's pink sheets are done too.
Randy, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:45 pm
CJ, I just now got back to my office and read your response to my post. For your information, my case was thrown out. I was imprisoned for something I did not do and against my choice I had to experience what exactly goes on in the Oklahoma County jail. Since you are in Stillwater in Payne County, how exactly does this concern you anyways?
John, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:38 pm
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Damn Russel, aren't you just a warm fuzzy waiting to happen. Glad I don't have friends like you, but then again you probably don't have any.
JD, Norman - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:37 pm
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I am not a fan of Whetsel, but look at the alternative...the major whackjob known as Jim Weitmeyer. Now Jim is posting here. Jim as you refuse to answer inquiries into this elsewhere, would you like to discuss why you have left off your recent employment with Blackwater off your resume? Seen any UFOS lately? Have you posted anymore racial slurs? The only thing a lot of people don't know about you now is just where you have your sheets dry cleaned before the next klan rally. And why does everyone you have worked with before, from the sheriff's dept to the national guard call you a major nutjob?
Randy, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Just because I take more precautions then the everyday citizen does not mean I am full of it Cassie. I cover myself in any business deal or endeavor I might encounter. When I sold homes, I ran checks on every single client I had, and if any red flags popped up, I walked away. Just because you don't do something Cassie does not make me a liar.
R?, Tulsa - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:20 pm
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You are entitled to your opinion CJ, that is a fact, the other fact of the matter is, that you really don't know the whole story for you to say a totally innocent, found by a court of law innocent man that the judge actually apologized to in front of God and everyone, to deserve what he got just proves your ignorance, you only know what I have chosen to put on here. To tell you the truth, I don't know if he knew that this 18 year old kid was "dirty" as you would say, but in my family, we assume you are an alright person until you prove differently. No body asked you to weep for anyone. This started out about the wrongs going on at the jail...I suppose your cloak is glistening white huh? Russell, I highly doubt that the normal everyday citizen takes the time to run a background check on people they encounter or ride to the casino with. or friends younger brothers...come on now, you are full of it.
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Armbrooke, your witty remark made me laugh. Thank you.
R?, Tulsa - Aug 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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Cassie, I know we have had our debates on here, and I think it is great mental exercise to do so. But yes, it sounds to me like your brother was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but his problem was being friends with the individual who had received stolen goods (I.e. the stolen vehicle). Before I associate with anyone, I always check references and perform a background check to make sure the person at hand is clean and on the up and up. I always make sure I am not in a situation where I could be involved with something of that caliber. And it is my opinion he is better suited for the world, knowing not to make the same mistakes again. It doesn't make it fact, but from what I have experienced, there is a good chance. But I digress. The elderly man would have been a lost cause for two reasons, 1) if he was elderly, what productive use was he to society, and 2) rehabilitation for alcohol abuse is 5%, per official AA records. So it would have been wasted taxpayer money. Besides, if you had asked him, I would probably bet he would have wanted death. Besides, he would have had to provoke the incident in order to be beaten like that. Even in a prison system, there is still a somewhat respect for age. I would have to know more details about the incident before I make on official statement on it.
R?, Tulsa - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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Sorry, meant to say you can't tell me he didn't know his friend was dirty.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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Cassie, sounds like your brother needs to pick better friends. I don't weep for someone who hangs out with thugs. They get what they deserve. You can't tell me your brother had no idea this kid was not dirty. He got what he deserved.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:34 pm
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It's not Whetzel's fault. It's an over crowding problem. Just read the feds report, you will see. They're not so much saying that the staff is at fault, simply that you cannot manage 2,500 + prisoners in a facility that was meant to accomodate 1,250 at a maximum. The scary part is that Whetsel says he is looking at cutting staff as a result of losing the $3,000,000 federal money. If that place loses more staff, it could easily transgress into another Attica.
B, Geary - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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This is all just a bunch of crap because of Brent Rinehart's bone to pick with Whetzel. He is ticked off because he lost his commissioner's seat and is now using every chance he gets to bring Whetzel down. Sheriff Whetzel has done a great job and continues to do so with the resources he has.
Kelly, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Sounds like he became a lot like Russell. Thats as good an argument as I can think for reforming the place.
Armbrooke, Pocasset - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm
no, he was not randomly picked up, he was a passenger in a stolen vehicle on his way home from the casino, the kid who is the younger brother of a friend of his, ran a stop sign and it broadsided another car, and a woman, a cops wife, died, neither of them were under any influence of drugs or alcohol, but since it happened in the act of another crime, being the stolen vehicle, which this kid even testified that there was no way my brother had knowledge that it was stolen, they were trying to say that my brother was an accessory to murder...they had to dismiss all charges after 1 mis trial a year later, set up a new trial date, had to pull this kid again from the prison he was sentenced to for 28 years, Granite, and what do ya know, found my brother innocent, wrong place at the wrong time...I was trying to avoid details Russell, we have had our arguments on here, I don't agree with your outlook on things so it is really pointless. He is NOT better prepared for the world, that is purely YOUR opinion. His heart is a lot colder than before, his ways of thinking are different and believe me, the way he views politics, race, religion, its all different. Not many people want to be around him now when as before he was the life of the party, everyone loved to see him and be near him...I will continue to encourage him to get counseling over it as will the rest of my family....you really believe that an elderly alcoholic man deserved to die getting his head stomped on by a bunch of white supremacist? rather than be rehabilitated? ...
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Cassie, Did the police just randomly pick your brother off the street when he was sentenced to 3 years? He had to be involved somehow with whatever crime was being tried. As for coming out 'hard', he is better prepared for the world and will not settle for the crap it has to offer. Everything he has told you sounds suitable to the treatment these inmates should be receiving, except the special treatment by the guards. That should be taken care of immediately.
R?, Tulsa - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:48 pm
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My 30 year old brother was just recently, in January, released after a 3 year stay in Oklahoma County jail. Case was dropped and charges dismissed and the actual guilty party was finally sentenced..ooops! He went in a pretty rational, caring individual, came out hard as can be, I can't even stand him anymore. It is going to take years to undo the jail house mentality that he has after losing 3 years of his life and the first three years of his daughters life in a place like that. He has told me stories over and over about the gang violence, about watching one elderly man get his head stomped while guards stood 20 feet away. People who know the young guards and went to high school with them, get special treatment, cell phones, extra commissary, extra clothing etc. These guards are pretty young and gullible that they are hiring in there. He said it was so dirty and un sanitary that hepatitis was everywhere, people passing around tattoo guns from cell to cell and not cleaning them. But in all the terrible things he has to say about it, the one wonderful thing that came out of his mouth through it is "I am NEVER going back there again!" I don't believe that these inmates should be rewarded at all for the ones who are truly guilty, but as someone else mentioned, what about the ones who really are innocent? It is hard to imagine that someone of sound mind goes in to a place like this, and could come out with the same sound mind? My brother was a better person before he experienced the 3 years there. He has a lot of anger since coming out.
Cassie, Moore - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Also I did let my son stay in Tucumcari New Mexico jail for 3 months due to something he did so I am in no way soft. Unlike Russell though, I didn't disown him. He learned a lesson and doesn't ever want to go back. There are too many parents/grandparents out there that feel sorry for their children and bail them out over and over again. One in particular is an acquaintance of mine who they bailed out many times as a juvenal and now he's in prison for 2 years. It's not a place where he'll want to go back to. If he would have done longer periods of time as a child then the possibility of prison may not have ever occured.
Suzan, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Oh, don't get me wrong. I believe that the jails shouldn't be soft and cushy. They need to be a place where you don't want to go back to. My biggest issue with this is the lack of supervision.
Suzan, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I personally do not see a problem with any of this. The inmates deserve the treatment they are getting, whether it was state-issued or not. What everyone is wanting is time out for grown-ups now a days. Some of these criminals only understand violence, so that is what they should be subjected to. I don't buy any other this humane-treatment BS. They committed a crime that got them there; they deserve to be punished severely. And If I ever had a 'loved' one in prison, I would disown them and never think of them again. If a family member of mine goes to jail, they would loose everything from me, but I only speak for myself. As for state-issued prescriptions, I have a plan for that as well. Get rid of it. That should save some money and teach the inmates a lesson. I feel no pity for these inmates, way to go Sheriff!
R?, Tulsa - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:14 pm
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Lord, B from geary had to put out the education card. Please, we passed the lottery.. no more worried about education right? Again, state/county/city mis-managment of money. It repeats itself over and over in this state.
J, Harrah - Aug 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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DUI convictions alone are filling up the jails to overflow capacity. Oklahoma jails more women than ANY STATE IN THE USA. We have felony convictions that other states leave as misdemeanors, and then we have judges slapping down hard line sentences every chance they get. What we must realize is that there is a cost associated with frontier justice. Now that cost is infringing on road construction and education.
B, Geary - Aug 5, 2008 at 11:59 am
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Oklahoma has never abided by the Constitution when it comes to inmates. 3 years in jail before a trial is conducted is not considered "speedy". Besides, for a county sherrif, jail population is power. The more you have locked up, the more you can claim what a good job is being done. This is just Okie justice, it always has been that way. I have no doubt there are a lot of innocents in prison in this state.
Kevin, Shawnee - Aug 5, 2008 at 11:05 am
I love hearing all the criminals and their families cry. And what a suprise, you have people like John claiming they were wrongly imprisoned. I have yet to hear a criminal say, "Yeah, I did it." And Suzan, I know the saying is "three hots and a cot" but I don't find it necessary to always go the "normal" route. We are talking about criminals. Let's treat them like it. If they don't like it, don't do what got you there, or piss off your ex, or whatever.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 11:01 am
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A few years ago, the County Sheriff tried to get a sales tax initiative that would earmark money for the county jail. Kirk Humphries ridiculed it because he was worried that if voters approved this, they would balk at passing any future MAPS taxes such as the one for the Ford Center. The initiative failed. Whetsel is doing a great job with what he has. One big expense he has paying for prescriptions for mentally ill inmates. The OK County Jail is the largest mental illness institution in the state of Oklahoma. Larger than Griffin Memorial, in fact.
Lynn, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:47 am
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A few years ago I was caught up in a situation that brought me to the county jail for a brief period. I am a law abiding business professional who had a perfect record until my ex-wife made a false accusation to the police. I got to witness a lot of these atrocities that are mentioned. I was put into a 2 man cell with four other inmates. I was handcuffed to a pole while waiting to see the judge for 8 hours. I was denied my heart medication for 3 days. There are emergency intercoms in each cell that went unanswered when I would push the button. Each day inmates are allowed to mingle in a common area. The guards leave them unattended for hours. I witnessed fist fights on a daily basis. I accidently bumped into another inmate once and was thrown to the ground. I met an inmate who had been in L.A. County jail before and he said Oklahoma County was just as bad if not worse. Before I went there I had the same attitude that you deserve what you get if you end up there. I quickly learned that there are those that deserve to be there but still don’t deserve the inhuman treatment that they are receiving. This place is bad and the Sheriff is a crook. Yeah Sheriff Whetsel, everyone’s family members are REAL safe.
John, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:37 am
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Hey CJ. It's not a cot and 3 meals but it's "3 hots and a cot"._______ I've known a lot of people that have gone to the county and they said it's terrible, and these are guilty people I'm talking about. I couldn't imagine how an innocent person would react. The younger and weaker inmates are ruled by the tougher ones and yes folks, the gangs (races) stick together. I don't think there should be any luxuries in there or prison but this report goes way and beyond sanitary and dangerous conditions.
Suzan, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:29 am
and who approves those car expenditure's? The Commissioner's!
Ron, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:26 am
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Inmate’s gang-banging a lone stray is not the result of poor building designs. It's the result of a lack of management of detainees. Somewhere in our minds we have to recall that old saying "you’re innocent until proven guilty" and remember that some of the inmates being held are not yet prosecuted but held because they could not make bond. When you take the liberties away from a person and lock them up you become the sole caretaker of the welfare of that person. While awaiting trial there is a level of expectation that they will be protected from elements of crime just as they would be if they were free to walk the streets of their own accord. Once convicted the life of that person becomes the sole responsibility of the county or state despite the crime committed. It is an on going process and to say the problems been fixed is a false assumption because the management of people within a jail environment is ever changing. I have an extensive background on the subject which brings me to these conclusions and I try not to be judgmental of the sheriff or his officers. However the problems you see with the Oklahoma County Jail is a direct result of a string of poor managements. The jail flaws have been known ever since the building was built. You can house prisoners in a tent city as was suggested by the person referring to Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona. But even that surrounding has proven difficult for those managing a prison setting which holds the accused in the same vicinity as the convicted. You house a DUI offender with a drug gang and you are likely to have someone who went in with a drinking problem come out with exposure to the drug scene. There are too many factors, elements and conditions to try to discover in a comment section such as this. To keep it simple, the problems can be taken care of but it’s going to involve a change in management.
Oklahoma, okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:25 am
I bought a brand new Toyota Carolla in 2003. At the time, a red one was pulling out. The last red one. The Salesman told me that the OK County Sheriff bought that one, and was buying about one a month. I haven't seen an official Sheriff's car that is a Toyota, so who was getting them? And a brand new car a month.....don't do that and then beg the public for money.
Laura, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:22 am
I'm telling you it isn't the sheriff, point the fingers at the county commissioners
Ron, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 10:11 am
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I think until we get a Sheriff who cares enough to fix the conditiions in there it should stay closed!! That place is INHUMANE.
Jamie, Del City - Aug 5, 2008 at 9:57 am
Don't you find it funny that as Long as the Sheriff has been in office and been asking for money from the county for improvement to no avail that this comes out and all the finger's point to Whetsel? I mean look, we can vote for money to get the Sonic's here and vote for money to build brick Town up. But when it comes to dealing with crime and defending it it's like if we turn our head and don't look maybe it will go away. I remember when J.D. Sharpe was in office and had the sorry jail built with kick back's and Whetsel came in and cleaned up his mess. I believe the sheriff is doing the best he can with what the county provides him!
Ron, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 9:53 am
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Who cares what the condition of the jail is in. If you dont want to be in jail, dont commit crimes.
W, Wahoo - Aug 5, 2008 at 9:31 am
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Why does the sheriff blame the bad conditions at the jail on "jail design"? Has nothing to do with it! As someone has already said, everyone should be afforded humane treatment, no matter what they have done. The locking them up is the punishment, not beatings and death. I know someone who has worked at the jail and he says that there are a lot more deaths there than we ever hear of, and they aren't by "natural" causes. Some of you who think that prisoners get what they deserve, obviously have never had a loved one behind bars for any reason. Just wait. Eventually, someone you care about will go to jail and you will have a different opinion about humane treatment.
HELEN, NOBLE - Aug 5, 2008 at 9:24 am
Sheriff Whetsel tends to be one of the better sheriffs in Oklahoma when listening to concerns and taking action. I do feel that he has two problems which cause him continuing grief. The first is that Oklahoma City and other municipalities in Oklahoma tend to take a lot of people into custody who would not be taken into custody in other places. These people go in for "holds" which can last hours or days if they cannot post bond. Even if they can post bond the very large numbers put a strain on jail operations. The jailers need to limit their immigration inquiries to those contained in House Bill 1804. The sheriff lacks the budget, the facilities and the manpower to go outside HB 1804's guidelines.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Aug 5, 2008 at 9:20 am
I agree with you CJ. My brother works for Sheriff Joe in AZ. He isnt a popular guy, believe it or not. But it doesnt look like he wastes money on inmates. He not trying to get new money to fix an old problem. Tell me, why would we trust our tax dollars to them to build a new jail when we already wasted money on an old jail. I have lived here all my life and it never changes that in Oklahoma we believe that throwing money in the wind will fix any problem.
J, Harrah - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:49 am
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It was only 4 months ago that my brother was a prisioner at the county jail in Oklahoma City. He was due in court and the judge had to recess due to the fact that he had been badly beaten and was taken to a nearby hospital. His wife was in the courtroom when that happened. That's how she found out. Oh yes Oklahoma, your jails are very safe!!! NOT
Pat, Burlington - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:47 am
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Whetsel needs to resign or be fired. He has wasted money for years! I am so sick of his back pedaling and whining.
Laura, Edmond - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:45 am
I forgot to post this, the solution to any jail's problems.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:44 am
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What most of you fail to understand is that as soon as anything is fixed in a jail/prison the inmates tear it up again so they can complain and file lawsuites. They fake mental health issues in order to get any kind of drugs. Since we have so many liberals out there that want jail/prison to be a resort with free school, gyms, TVs, recreation rooms, etc.. these criminals can keep demanding these things and winning their lawsuites. All these criminals need is a cot and 3 meals. I wish we had a person running like Sheriff Joe Arpaio that would treat the criminals like criminals and do it at the least amount of cost to the taxpayers that is possible.
JJ, Okc - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:43 am
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I am presently running for sheriff of Oklahoma County and will not take this opportunity to express anything negative about my opponent, it is unfortunate to say the least, that these incidents occurred. It was always my belief that the jail problems there should have been the priority issue from the start. True, this jail facility [building] was screwed up since its poor construction, but some of these incidents that have occurred in jail could have been prevented.

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Jim, Del City - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:19 am
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Evedently the Feds know what is takes to keep the inmates safe and what their requiremnts are. This sound like a case of major neglect for the human inmates that are requiring these monies to do the right job. Sounds like someone needs to take charge of the matter and get it done right. Hope someone gets elected that can and has the cappability to do the right thing instead of spending the money somewhere else and not be so extravigant on the police tanks and anti riot gear that has never been in the history of the OK county sheriffs department in all the 50 years of its exixtance.
quartercircle, Guthrie - Aug 5, 2008 at 8:13 am
I am as much for law an order as the next guy ( maybe more than some ) but what if your kid was picked up in a case of mistaken identity or something similar and taken to this facility ? Would you want them spending so much as 5 minutes in this place ? Not me ! Why does so much of Oklahoma and its ( so called ) government and ( incredibly incompetent and corrupt ) politicians make living in a third world look like a great alternative ? As far as Rinehart and Whetsel , well they can go share a cell somewhere as far as I am concerned.
mister, bogata - Aug 5, 2008 at 7:53 am
although, I have a feeling that if the sherrif's department had sought money to fix, say the sink issue, a lot people in the county would have been up in arms saying "you want to spend our tax dollars on criminals?"
Tim, Norman - Aug 5, 2008 at 7:43 am
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I agree completely with the other two comments. The issues listed in this article (particularly the pregnant woman handcuffed to a rail) are more than enough to demand accountability.
Tim, Norman - Aug 5, 2008 at 7:38 am
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Now, I have little pity for criminals but why in the world would Whetsel need a report from the federal government in order to see that there were problems? Doesn't he ever go there?
J, Harrah - Aug 5, 2008 at 6:17 am
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I think it is time to call for the sheriffs resignation it is fine and dandy that the issues have been addressed and supposedly fixed. The big question here is why did he let the jail house get that way in the first place, its a lack of leadership. This is a county jail facility and some of these inmates are waiting to stand trail so that could mean that some folks are innocent. Either way inmates are due rightful treatment even if that means that they broke the law. A good society will treat even the worst of its people with decency and that means all the way to the death house, if so ordered.
jeremy , plano - Aug 5, 2008 at 3:56 am

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