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In the tiebreaker triangle, Longhorns have the edge
BCS MESS Where’s Solomon when you need him?

BY Berry Tramel    Comments Comment on this article60
Published: November 27, 2008

I’m with everyone else. I can’t think of a better way to break college football’s Bermuda triangle than the BCS rankings.


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The Big 12 South’s three-way tie is a conundrum fit for Solomon. Cut the baby three ways.

But the BCS is inadequate, too, for a simple reason.

The best solution for a three-way tie is within the confines of the triangle.

And in that context, Texas clearly deserves the edge. Not because the Longhorns beat OU, but because of where the Longhorns beat OU.

In the triangle, Texas had to go to Lubbock, Texas Tech had to go Norman and OU didn’t have to go to Austin. Oklahoma-Texas was played on a neutral field.

In the triangle, the Sooners didn’t have a road game and the Longhorns didn’t have a home game. That’s a major advantage for the Sooners and a major disadvantage for the Longhorns.

But the tiebreaker — the BCS — doesn’t live within the triangle. The BCS is the full season’s body of work, and in the BCS, OU clearly has the advantage.

The Sooners played the tougher schedule. Their non-conference victims include TCU and Cincinnati, foes currently ranked 14 and 16 in the BCS.

Neither Texas nor Tech played a non-conference opponent that would be in the BCS top 40, if the rankings went that deep.

So clearly, the Sooners are most deserving of a spot in the BCS championship game. But the Longhorns are most deserving of a spot in the Big 12 title game.

And in the event of the triangle, it’s the national-championship formula that will determine the conference-championship representative.

Where’s Solomon when you need him?

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I understand that breaking down all the elements of the potential three-way tie in the Big 12 South is a complicated issue and that Tramel, when it comes to football, has to simplify things as much as possible so that he can understand them, but to determine who is most deserving based only on one issue is rediculous. You can't tell me that home field advantage makes up for a 44 point scoring differential compared to 10 on a neutral field. What about that none of the teams have had a road win against the other top 3 in the division? If, and I mean if, OU wins at OSU, it will be the only one of the group that has one. Since you seem to overrate home field so much, surely an OU win at Stillwater would far outway a 4 point Texas win at home. I think both teams are deserving and one will get screwed unless FSU stuns Florida. But I think if you completely sanitize emotion from the equation and look only at record and rankings of the teams played, OU, with a win, edges Texas by the slimest of margins as you will see reflected in the polls and computers.
Ron, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 2:35 pm
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lets say chase d. has a hot hand and the tigers beats texas or ou
then put ou and and texas in a bowl game, big 12 national championship
settled
mitch, blanchard - Nov 28, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Oh and before anyone jumps on it, I know McCoy's completion percentage is much higher than Bradford's. The point I was trying to make is ALL of Bradford's #s are very good, including his completion percentage
Richard, Visalia - Nov 28, 2008 at 10:39 am
Good point Kyle about the "if OU wins at OSU...it is the only team of the trio with a quality road win". I hope the commentators on Saturday pick up on that and do not give anymore pub to that one public awareness drive that Texas fan is pushing. Herbstriet, who has been more wrong than right, is a big pusher for Texas. I did not watch all the game last ngiht (T v A&M) and the sound was off when we did watch so I do not know how much the commentators pushed for Texas, I know James tends to very pro-Texas. However, the announcers on Saturday need to give OU its air time and give the reason why OU should be ahead of Texas, or at least both sides of the argument, not just what "they think". If OU slams OSu, then based on what i've been hearing from many people, OU will be dubbed 'the hottest team" of the moment and get pushed ahead. Bradford deserves the Heisman, his numbers, including percentage of completions are out of this world. McCoy is very good, but Bradford is better.
Richard, Visalia - Nov 28, 2008 at 10:36 am
The worst part of the situation is "BIG BABY MACK" and all his whining. How can a supposedly grown man that has any dignity act like a little four year old? Hasn't anybody connected to TexAAAASSS football got enough pride or common sense to tell him he looks like an idiot???? I do. Hey Mack, if I give you a baby bottle will you please shut UP???????????
Xavier, Benson - Nov 28, 2008 at 9:43 am
I wonder if Tramel will change his mind after Saturday. We beat Tech by 44 points, the same team that just proved too much for the Longhorns. This article from this man who works for an Oklahoma newspaper just does not make sense to me. All we have to do is win in Stillwater and we should win the South and have the opportunity to play for another Big 12 and possibly National Championship. It is like some people in the press actually feel sorry for Texas or really do not like OU. I believe we will prove our argument on the field. That is what Stoops is doing, instead of lobbying in ESPN like Brown. A stand-up man is Stoops, his team in now reflecting the man who leads them.
Arron, Holdenville - Nov 28, 2008 at 9:38 am
Hey Longhorn Fans; this is just for you---39-33!!!! Maybe some of the Aggie fans should have held up signs like that during that game where Texas defeated the "unranked" 4-7 record, Texas A&M Aggies!!! Woo-hoo!!!! Well, hey, if you can't beat an unranked team at home...then you don't deserve to go anywhere, right????? So, they beat up on A&M...wow...guess McCoy should get the Heisman based on that performance, huh? Sorry, but if OU loses to OSU...you Longhorn fans can drop the 45-35 signs in the trash and go cry....because as much as you have been crying that you deserve the shot because you beat us at a "neutral" site then Tech will go because they beat you....at home.....oh well....whatever happens....happens....if OU gets the shot then great..if not...hey we have been there and done that, before...just go out there boys and beat up on them Cowboys....end the season with a good win!!! BOOMER SOONERS!!!
Sharon, Chattanooga - Nov 28, 2008 at 9:35 am
EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO SPORTSCENTER.COM AND VOTE FOR OU TO JUMP TO #2 IF THEY BEAT OSU.

THERE IS A VOTE TO ASSESS PUBLIC OPINION.

RIGHT NOW THE VOTE IS 54% TO 46% AGAINST OU JUMPING TO #2 ! ! ! ! (Part of Texas's lobbying?)
Bobby, Rural OKC - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:46 am
Guys, c'mon it's a neutral field. The location of the stadium means nothing if the tickets are split half and half. It could be in Norman or Austin or London, if there is an equal fan distribution in the seats it's neutral. Home field advantage is about noise, distraction and atmosphere all of which is essentially negated as soon as there are as many fans for both teams. I am frustrated though that so many people are talking about who played whom where and not mentioning the fact that by OU beating #12 OSU tomorrow, they will be the only team of the big 3 with a quality road win.
Kyle, Dallas - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:42 am
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Well, Berry, it's not a "neutral field" when the officials are from Texas and include a UT grad! And OSU is ranked #12; UT got them in Austin and won by 4; we'll see how OU does Saturday.

How's this for another "triangle stat" - in the three games between the tied teams, Oklahoma has led the other two for 104 minutes, 13 seconds. Texas Tech has led for 53 minutes, 9 seconds. Texas for 9 minutes, 6 seconds.
Stephen, Tulsa - Nov 27, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Mark, Denham Springs: Awesome post. Articulate, factual and the sentiment at the end reminds us all... It's just a game!

Richard, Visalia: I too live in a "hostile"environment, 50 miles south of Moscow on the Colorado (Austin). My experience is similar... heck, even after the loss in Dallas, every UT fan greeted me with "see you next year"...BTW: Thank you for your service!

All the "trash-talkers": Let the games play out. Right or wrong, there will be a next year. Many of us wouldn't mind discussing a playoff, but only if every team and conference can have a shot at the prize.

As I post this UT is taking care of business and beating the AG's... just like they should. I expect TT will do the same. BOOMER SOONER!
Steven, San Antonio - Nov 27, 2008 at 10:08 pm
its a neutral field because half the tix go to OU and half to go Tx. I agreee that the neutral thing is a bit overplayed though. If we win we Texas gets screwed and if we lose Texas gets screwed.......
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OU fans should hold up the score of the Texas vs Texas Tech game in Stillwater!!!!!
I think Colt gets the nod over Sam for the heisman. He is completing over 80% of his passes this year. That is amazing! The QBs are pretty even throwing the ball, but Colt can do more with his legs than Sam can. I would love to see Sam bring another one home to Norman, but I think Colt McCoy is just a little more deserving......wow cant believe I just said that!
Ben, BFE - Nov 27, 2008 at 9:37 pm
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Texas's problem is that they play tonight. Whatever they do will be long forgotten in the minds of the pollsters and overshadowed by whatever may transpire Saturday. Sometimes, you just can't buy a break......
Tim, Yukon - Nov 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm
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Maybe it has been mentioned, but the RRR is held in Dallas, last time I looked which is in Texas which is played on the site of the State Fair of TEXAS. It isnt played in the State Fair of Neutral, I am really sick of this. Just because it isnt home & home doesnt make it neutral for either team, least of all Oklahoma. I have never wanted the game moved, but putting a lot into it being NEUTRAL is ridiculus
Jeanie, Wichita Falls - Nov 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm
and oh btw, Sam Bradford should be a clear cut leader for the Heisman, but the DoK has so little respect nationally, he has no local voice. Why don't you stop arguing with Trabor and try a little harder. Yeh, it is you job to be an OU and OSU homer until they play each other. Ever read the Statesman? Please.
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - Nov 27, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Ironically, if we (OU) lose, Tech goes to Big 12 Champ game. It's a very difficult argument to make for Texas at this point in the season. But it's easy to overlook the fact that Tech just whipped them recently? Only for UT fans. Bottom line, Texas MUST root for OU to win in order for them to win the Big 12 South. It's funny.
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - Nov 27, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I have been saying the same thing all week. Forget the talking about the BCS. OU HAS to beat OSU and I don't care how many points. Defeat a tough and good OSU team and let the chips fall where they may. I think all will work out. OU must play with the same intensity like they did last Saturday. To keep a team that keyed up for two week is tough to do but the OU coaches should be able to do it. The players seem more focused this year and since the Texas loss they have been better prepared. The defense has been getting better every week since the linebackers have matured. The Sooners should be ready, now all they have to do is execute. GO SOONERS!!!
William, Fairfield - Nov 27, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Barry quit trying to be controversial, you aren't going to get a job in Dallas, Houston or Austin.
Dave, owasso - Nov 27, 2008 at 7:19 pm
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Yea, of course .. my bad.. I'm just afraid of a big game let down.
i.e. West Virginia ect..
david, fresno - Nov 27, 2008 at 6:36 pm
david, if for some reason OU didn't win this weekend, Texas wouldn't win the south, Tech would............

OU will need to continue their improved defensive play, but more importantly is their also improved run game. Balanced offense, ever since the Texas game, has been what's made this a different team....
Andrew, Irving - Nov 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm
If OU doesn't come out playing the same kind of agressive defense they played against tech.. they won''t win. I would like to think they will, but from what I've seen all year, I doubt they will. I believe the game will be a squeaker. OU will be lucky to win in Stool-H20. That it turn will probably put Texas in the Big 12 Title game. I hope not, it's just what I beleive will happen. Don't hate me! P.S. I was @ the Tech game. I've never been in a more thrilling setting with a more satisfying outcome in my long life!
david, fresno - Nov 27, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Scott, this paper just proclaimed Texas has an advantage over OU and you think it's being bias towards the Sooners? I've gotten along with plenty of Cowboy fans lately, but that comment was just retarded.

The Cowboys have two losses and are out of the Big 12 and national title picture. Heck, one of those losses was a 56-20 beatdown to a team OU beat 65-21.

OU has the toughest SOS in the conference hands down, and if not, they will after OSU, win or lose. Besides, Berry never said the game didn't qualify as a tough game.

Anyway, none of this would even matter if the BCS computers took out the polls that still have Tech ranked ahead of OU...that mush is just insane.
Zach, Perkins - Nov 27, 2008 at 2:20 pm
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Andrew,

You may be the first one I have read that actually states UT is a good team. But in fairness, no one can state who is truly a better team now. I could use your same argument versus us for UT when they played Tech. There are only 3 common opponents so far...KU, Tech and Baylor. You beat KU at home by 14/UT beat them by 28 on the road...You beat Tech/We lost...The Baylor game was almost an identical score. Was Texas' victory over Mizzou any less impressive than OU's over Tech? We led by 32 at half...OU lead by 35 and both games were over.

Texas will (according to the pundits) still have the edge on SOS after the OSU game, but the margin will be so close that the Human voters will make the difference.

The reality is that the resumes are the same. Both can make very compelling arguments. The issue is that history will be made in the BCS. No team, this late in the season, has jumped a team in the BCS that beat them and has not lost. Yes, there have been teams that have been ahead in the BCS already and held off a team that beat them, but never has a team jumped a team that beat them especially with even resumes and from the same conference.
joe, The Colony - Nov 27, 2008 at 1:24 pm
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joe, UT's SOS won't be better than OU's after this weekend once the OSU and A&M games are factored in.

And, most people have never said that UT was not a GREAT team this year. I think everyone would agree if there was an 8 or 4 team playoff, Texas should be in it, regardless of the ranking.

But, if you want to nitpick that one game, then if you've done any kind of analysis of OU's team you would know and agree it was OU's worst performance. UT had something to do with that, certainly, but OU did as well. That's not to discount UT at all. They only play once, and the one game they did play, UT stood up and played out of their minds, and OU flat out played their worst game of the year. If they played 10 times, I believe OU wins 7, or at worst 6. But this one game, UT won, fair and square.

BUT, it's because people recognize that OU could have played better then, and IS playing better now, that they identify that OU is the better team. It's showing against now common quality opponents.

Congrats on your year. If Sammy doesn't win the Heisman, I hope Colt does. My biggest hope is for an FSU victory, so that UT can slide in backwards into Miami. UT gave OU their absolute best shot. I would love to return the favor.
Andrew, Irving - Nov 27, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I think they should just call off the season and vote OU national Champions 2008.

Consider the facts...
- Ryan Reynolds also played on offense and that is why OU scored 18 points below their average.
- DeMarco Murray's knee was so bad that Chris brown couldn't make up the additional 150 yards OU needed to get to their rushing average.
- Sam Bradford fell down...He wasn't sacked.
- the referees handed the ball to the defensive backs that have accounted for 1/3 of Bradford's season int. totals
- When OU goes for a fake punt...they should automatically make it.
- Its an anomaly that OU only scored 14 points in the last 40 minutes of the game and needed a "running into the kicker" penalty to extend one of the scoring drives.
- Loadholt was loving on Orakpo...not holding!
- Herbstreet doesn't know what he is talking about. They should give OU that interception even though the player that intercepted the ball was holding the intended receiver off the line of scrimmage.
- The stats of the game were very misleading. Texas only punted twice after the first quarter (both in the second half after Reynold's injury).
- It is another anomaly that Texas had roughly the same stats in the first half as they did in the second...even though UT lost a full possession due to a kickoff return.
- Without the KO return Texas couldn't have won...although OU let one happen against Cincy, A&M and almost against TCU.
- OU is the better team because we just played bad that day...Texas can't say the same because OU beat Tech at home by 44.
- There is NO WAY Texas is closer to being undefeated than OU
- We should only look at margin of victory or differential because margin of defeat isn't realistic or favorable. OU scores alot so that makes us better.
- Even though every method of measurement disagrees OU's SOS is far superior to Texas.

Yep...OU is definitely better.
joe, The Colony - Nov 27, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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