They should make it like the three way ties in high school. Each district game; by each school getting a maximum of 15 points for each game won. So, for like just those three games UT=+10, TT=+6, and OU=+15. But, you would do it for all the South Conference games, since those are the only sure teams that they will have in common. At least I think that was how it works. My own piece of mind as a Notre Dame/OU/OSU/San Diego State fan, OU played their season and UT played theirs, and everyone knew the rules going into the season. grit your teeth and bare it. Personally I hope that the Big 12 wins all of it's bowl games. the 12 doesn't get Big 10 Love, the SEC bias, or the Pac 10 Media; so they have to prove it on the field. Peace.

Nothing is more classless than whining over a system that has been in place for several years only when the system works against your team. Let's look at a few stats that the whiners seem to forget.

Oklahoma played 6 ranked opponents (Cincinnati - Big East champs, TCU, Texas, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State), beating 5 - 2 in non-conference play. Texas played 5 ranked opponennts (Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Kansas), winning 4 - and none of them were non-conference wins.

Taking it a step further, the two teams had 5 commoon opponents. Texas beat 2 of the 5 by more points than Oklahoma (Kansas and Texas A&M). Oklahoma won by a bigger margin in the other 3 games (Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech - obviously). Overall, Oklahoma outscored common opponents by a larger margin.

According to Texas, the only game that mattered was their win over Oklahoma, though....
Jenna, Webster - Dec 3, 2008 6:31 AM


This may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Thank for your ridiculous logic. So in your mind, head to head games should not matter, it should be comparitive scores of other games???? TEXAS BEAT OKLAHOMA!!! Sorry Sooner fans, you guys are getting a huge break by jumping ahead of them and I don't know why you just can't admit it!! This is coming from Florida State fan who lives in Georgia, I am not even a Texas fan!!

Jerry,
If it was a tie between OU and Texas, then that is exactly how it would play out (UT would/should go). However, IT IS A FREAKING THREE-WAY TIE you idiot!

OU takes way too much credit for beating OSU. Isn't this the bunch that rolls over and puts their feet up whenever they play OU??? Be honest. Texas beating OU is much more impressive and as the local sports writers said earlier in the season....OU and Texas play for the Big 12 Championship at the Cotton Bowl.

It seems like it was just 10 days ago the Texas staff and ESPN was praising the computers for keep Texas ahead of Oklahoma when the voters put Oklahoma in second place. What a difference 10 days makes.

Neutral outsider perspective. Texas won the head to head over OU so they should be in. It was a basically a playoff. However it does not matter who get in the Championship game. The winner of the SEC will kick either teams tail because the Big 12 never sees good defense and can't play defense.
Roll Tide!

I don't care WHY Texas is odd man out, just so TEXAS is odd man out! Thank you, Mike Leach and TTU! You made it happen. I am so very glad that McFrown was passed over when OU was looking for a head coach; it would be embarrassing to have such a whiner infecting young men with his classless brand of character. It's almost as embarrassing to have to acknowledge that McFrown is an ex-Sooner, but that is countered by gratitude that it is "ex."

Nothing is more classless than whining over a system that has been in place for several years only when the system works against your team. Let's look at a few stats that the whiners seem to forget.

Oklahoma played 6 ranked opponents (Cincinnati - Big East champs, TCU, Texas, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State), beating 5 - 2 in non-conference play. Texas played 5 ranked opponennts (Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Kansas), winning 4 - and none of them were non-conference wins.

Taking it a step further, the two teams had 5 commoon opponents. Texas beat 2 of the 5 by more points than Oklahoma (Kansas and Texas A&M). Oklahoma won by a bigger margin in the other 3 games (Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech - obviously). Overall, Oklahoma outscored common opponents by a larger margin.

According to Texas, the only game that mattered was their win over Oklahoma, though....

Why do Texas fans keep saying that Tech is obviously the week link in the 3-way tie and should be left out? For what reason? They have the same claim over Texas as Texas has over OU. Do they even realize that if OU would have lost to OSU then it would be Tech and still not Texas going to the conference championship. Just because they lost to OU does not diminish the fact that they beat Texas whether it be on the last play of the game or if the game was played in China, they still beat Texas. The 3-way tie was the only way OU had a chance to get in and if they did get that then it was obvious that the nonconference games against Cincy and TCU would factor in the computers, that's just nonobjective, just factual unbiased data. The fact that Tech's loss to OU weakens their stance in the tie at the same time it has to diminish Texas just as much for losing to them.

David says, "Objectively looking at the systems available in the College Football Universe, TX should have been "selected" over OU--but, not because TX is better. It's just how a tie-breaker should be applied."

Objectively, the tie breaker WAS applied. There's no right or wrong tie breaker, because there is no good way to break a three way tie. People in Texas like the SEC tiebreaker because it suits their purposes. But, it completely ignores the third team in the three-way tie, which is ridiculous, since that third team has an identical record and beat one of the other two. The SEC tiebreaker is no more fair than the Big Twelve tie breaker, just different. As someone said, at least the Big Twelve tiebreaker sends the highest ranked team to the championship game. There's as much logic in that as sending the head to head winner, especially since Tech wins the head to head over Texas. Texas lost to the worst team of the three, correct? That should say something.

The Big Twelve instituted their tie breaker long before now, and no one complained at the time. I can guarantee you if OU had beaten Texas, and Texas ended up in the Big Twelve Championship by applying the Big Twelve tiebreaker, you'd not be hearing a peep out of Austin. Mack would simply be figuring out when the plane was leaving for Kansas City. Anyone think he'd be offering up his spot to OU because Texas didn't "deserve" to go?

Also, to the people who keep saying head-to-head, that only goes so far. Ole Miss beat UF head-to-head, should UF be ranked higher than Ole Miss? OR State beat USC head-to-head, should USC be ranked higher than OSU? Texas Tech beat Texas head-to-head (and was winning MOST OF THAT GAME MIND YOU), should Texas be ranked higher than Tech? In all cases, the answer is NO because although the loss - the losing team was better. Same is the case for OU; even with the head-to-head loss against UT (after 2/3rds of the game btw/reminder), OU is still the better team and deserves to be ranked higher. It seems as though Texas wants people to feel pity when there are many more examples of head-to-head matchups where the losing team is ranked higher than the winning team. And this is no different - so quit whining, it's very classless. Texas has NOBODY to blame but TEXAS; because you lost against Tech, and OU beat Tech. OU beat the team that you couldn't; therefore deserves to be on top, in the Big 12, and then in the MNC (with a Big 12 win). End of Story.

Honestly, i dont see anything wrong with what happened here. It just could very well have been Texas who was chosen to go - but the computers chose OU (also the coaches did by the way). That's 2/3rds of the BCS. Also, whining at this point about the tie-breaker does not mean it is flawed. In fact, I agree with it. Why wouldn't the Big 12 want it's highest ranked team in it's championship? Doesn't that make sense? To me, it doesn't make sense to give the nod to #3 Texas when OU is #2; am I missing something? If anything, Texas should be whining that they aren't in and Missouri is, because clearly Texas is #2 in the conference and Missouri isn't even in the top 4, but is in. Be happy that Texas and Mack Brown was able to get sympathy votes, that in itself is a flaw in the system (and Stoops did not stoop to that low level, btw - he let the play on the field play out). I mean, OU did just beat the #12 team on their home field (who hadn't previously lost at home) and by 20 points. UT destroyed aTm in Austin but even there OU beat aTm by more, handing them the worst wippin in Kyle Field history. Not to be an OU homer, but I think the system is fine the way it is - I wouldn't be too upset if it went the other way and sure wouldn't be going around on other's sites trying to act like Im GOD like many UT people are.

I think the point of the "article" is that people who aren't playing the game shouldn't determine it's outcome. I agree, yet the blue haired folk in charge of all the NCAA money can't abide the change to a playoff we all want (are there any other championships in the U.S. that aren't decided by athletes?) That said, I think it low class of Trammel to quote the voter by name. That just didn't have to be done. It was in fact, kind of mean. My bet is that the comment was made within a certain understanding between those in the press (Quinn still writes for the Stillwater paper on occasion). The kicker here is that Trammel got his OU ego ruffled when these comments were made and his beloved left out of consideration. He took the opportunity to make another writer, an O-State guy, look bad. I know Pat, and further know that sometimes he says things just to get a response from people, in short baiting lesser men into revealing themselves. Well, mission accomplished Pat. Trammel, for his part, vomited out his sickness as quickly as possible - all dogs do - and I'm sure he'll get his due payment in time. If it were me instead of Pat, I'd drop Trammel's sugar daddy alma matter from my last ballot in a spirit of vindictive forgetfulness. Texas in and OU out, all because Trammy had a bit of a fit in the DOK. Not sure what the Harris poll boy would do as a result, but the damage would be done regardless, and the blame laid at the feet of Mr. Smug. Think about it Pat, you have a week to let 'em sweat.

Michael--I'm just stating the facts. The facts are absolutely SOUR. That's why people across the nation are shaking their heads. I'm not even saying that Texas is better than OU. Maybe, maybe not. Objectively looking at the systems available in the College Football Universe, TX should have been "selected" over OU--but, not because TX is better. It's just how a tie-breaker should be applied.

And to TT fans, I root for Tech. Love to see them win. But, any objective fan can see why they are odd man out of the discussion (Baylor, Nebraska OT, weakest NonConf, etc). Again, the facts. Oklahoma wins essentially because of beating TCU & Cincinatti in Norman.

"... So, don't feel like your team is hands-down the one deserving. Or, that Tech somehow is just as equal. They aren't. Tech is very obviously the weakest team and ranked the lowest=why they are out of the discussion according to all conference tie-breakers: SEC, ACC, Cnf-USA, WAC or any other tiebreaker...except the Big-12. ..."Tech is obviously the weaker team because we beat them badly, eh? Maybe Texas is the weaker team because they couldn't beat this cupcake.

Talk about sour grapes.

What's funny is Texas will discount the H2H loss to Tech when Tech starts b*tching about being left out of the BCS. They beat Texas fair & square.

As an OU fan, I can understand Texas fans being upset. However, keep in mind two facts. OU beat a ranked team (OSU) on the road that had not lost at home and beat them by 20 points, the largest road win in the Big 12 this year. In addition, OU far outpaced UT and TT in total points scored against the Big 12 South teams plus Kansas - the common opponents. OY was the better team.

Both teams were deserving at a shot at the Big 12 and then the National Championship. You can make a case for both teams and a case against each team. Here is hoping that the stars align-say an OU victory in KC and a Florida squeaker say 24-22 over Alabama. Maybe when everything shakes down we can have an all Big 12 BCS Championship game...

Get some perspective folks. William is looking at it from a 3rd Party view--like the rest of the nation. The Big-12 has (had after this year) a poor tie-breaker policy. ALL other conferences w/ Championship games would have awarded Texas with the tie-breaker.

It's really the fairest way of seperating two very good and deserving teams. In this case, Texas did get the short end of the stick. Not OU's fault. It's the Big-12 people that were not dilligent in their duties...and they'll change the rules in the off-season.

So, don't feel like your team is hands-down the one deserving. Or, that Tech somehow is just as equal. They aren't. Tech is very obviously the weakest team and ranked the lowest=why they are out of the discussion according to all conference tie-breakers: SEC, ACC, Cnf-USA, WAC or any other tiebreaker...except the Big-12.

That's why Texas fans are disappointed. William is just pointing out the consensus of overwhelming public sentiment. Don't try justifying or belittling Texas. Be humble and acknowledge that you are just playing under the system...sorry Texas...good luck in the Fiesta.

As for Mack Brown, he does just the same as Bob Stoops--lobbys for his team. That's what you do when there is no playoff.

William, STHU. When Texas goes to the Fiesta Bowl, does Texas Tech get screwed too? They beat Texas H2H. The reason OU got in over Texas is because of the UNBIASED computer aspect of the BCS rankings. Get over it.

Allen....I have heard the sooners whine about something every years since I was a young girl and that's about a half a century! Moot or not.

Debbie...it's a moot point because the shoe is not on the other foot.

You think Texas is whining....can you imagine what it would be like if the shoe were on the other foot and OU got ranked the way they should have or they got surpassed by Texas?

William, Why don't you take your idiot self and go move to Texas. If you had half a clue you would be dangerous. Did your mom have any kids that lived?