OKC Central Chat transcript, Feb. 15, 2013

The Oklahoman's Steve Lackmeyer took questions from readers in today's OKC Central Live Chat. You can join Steve's Q&A's on Fridays at 10 a.m. and submit your questions about the happenings in and around downtown Oklahoma City.
by Steve Lackmeyer Modified: February 15, 2013 at 10:54 am •  Published: February 15, 2013
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The Oklahoman's Steve Lackmeyer took questions from readers in today's OKC Central Live Chat. You can join Steve's Q&A's on Fridays at 10 a.m. and submit your questions about the happenings in and around downtown Oklahoma City. Below is an unedited transcript of the chat.

Steve Lackmeyer 9:29 a.m. Good morning everybody.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:30 a.m. Let's get started, shall we?
Matt 9:30 a.m. Morning Steve! I know you discussed the Plaza District some in last weeks chat, but have you heard anything about redevelopment of the "Discount Dollar Store" in the middle of the block next to Urban Wine Works? The redevelopment of this space would really bring the whole district together IMHO...
Steve Lackmeyer 9:30 a.m. The 16th Street Plaza District is going through rapid, dramatic changes these days. Another update in the works.
The Plaza District is no longer struggling with empty storefronts. Instead, the challenge being taken on by the area’s civic leaders and property owners is to find a delicate balance between upgrading the quality of tenants along the block while maintaining the district’s uniquely funky and independent vibe. An example of this effort includes the departure of the mattress store, which was seen as having the same impact on NW 16 that the Hotel/Motel Furniture Liquidators has had on Uptown NW 23.
Will the Discount Dollar Store evolve into another venue someday? It’s quite possible.
G.Walker 9:30 a.m. Steve, I would just like to say thank you for taking the time to actually write great articles, and actually writing a story. Too many articles I read from certain reporters are just "blurbs", and not really catching the background information leading up to the story, or even following up. It seems that most articles I read from other reporters are rushed and with no passion or effort. I really do appreciate your dedication to your job, and providing us with good material to read on a daily basis. Thank You!.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:31 a.m. Thanks! You're very kind.
Russell 9:31 a.m. Steve, When will the next stage of 235/Broadway Ext & I-44 construction start?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:31 a.m. I’m still trying to recover from the trauma of the last round of changes. Must we rush it? But to answer your question, the Oklahoma Department of Transportation told Oklahoman reporter Zeke Campfield last summer the next phases of the interchange project are set to begin in 2017, beginning with the southwest quadrant of the intersection. Eastbound motorists on I- 44 looking to turn south onto I-235 will be affected at first, but all of that project's remaining phases should be completed within two years' time. Highway engineers also advised that the schedule could change, with work starting earlier than expected.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:32 a.m. Here’s a look at what the interchange will look like once completed:
9:32 a.m.
Eugene 9:32 a.m. what happened to all the buzz about new skyscrapers? Why no new announcements by now?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:32 a.m. Real estate transactions take time. And that’s exactly what is happening right now. This is not speculation, this is not a guess; I am telling you, a complicated real estate transaction is underway, and when the deal is done, that is when the involved parties will be ready to discuss what is planned.
Russell 9:33 a.m. What are the plans for the old store front just North on Walker & 24th? They have painted the building grey and looks as though they are doing some sort of build out right now.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:34 a.m. I believe you are talking about the old Overhead Garage Door place. It is being renovated into the base of operations for the Good Egg Dining Group, which owns Tuckers, Cheevers, Iron Star BBQ, Kitchen No. 324 and operates Republic.
9:34 a.m.
Nick 9:34 a.m. A lot of backlash to the recently proposed Staybridge Suites. Were you disappointed by the initial renderings?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:37 a.m. The Bricktown Urban Design Committee was certainly not satisfied with what they saw. But remember, this was a presentation for feedback, not an application. To judge what was presented in too harsh a light is like concluding your child is an idiot because they approached their parent halfway through a class project with an unfinished diorama asking for help. The developer was looking for feedback, and I did not sense that he was demanding that this be the final design.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:38 a.m. Read more about the Staybridge Suites here: http://newsok.com/bricktown-hotel-development-is-unveiled/article/3755167
Nick 9:38 a.m. I noticed a crew is out tearing up the foundation on the land between 10th and 11th and Harvey and Hudson that the Midtown R group recently purchased. Do they already have plans for this site?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:38 a.m. Yep, I noticed that too. Something's up, don't you think?
Nick 9:39 a.m. Skinny Slim's reportedly opened last night. Did they ever clean up the site? It looked pretty shabby there for awhile.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:40 a.m. Nick! Would it please you to know I was at Skinny Slim's last night? I talked to the owner. The inside of the place looks pretty nice. He said he plans to do the patio area next week. I'll have a story soon.
Mike 9:40 a.m. Why doesn't the City of OKC not have a city park north of North of Nw 122nd St. I have water, fire, and police service , but no parks! Ridiculous!
Steve Lackmeyer 9:40 a.m. Martin Nature Park is a pretty nice park.
Gary T 9:41 a.m. Good morning Steve. Any news on the retail infill at the Maywood Lofts?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:41 a.m. Are you talking about the 2nd Street Lofts?
Nick 9:41 a.m. What's the latest on the St. Anthony's expansion? Has it been approved?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:41 a.m. I believe so.
Gary T 9:41 a.m. Once the Aloft hotel is completed, what kind of retail can Deep Deuce expect to have?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:42 a.m. Jim Thompson, the developer of the Aloft, has indicated the hotel will include a restaurant and coffee shop on the ground floor.
Nick 9:42 a.m. What's going on with the Mercantile Building in Bricktown? There was a proposal of conversion to housing, but nothing seems to be going on now...
Steve Lackmeyer 9:42 a.m. Deals are being done. Real estate transactions take time.
Steve R 9:43 a.m. Any chance more media outlets will relocate from the Britton/Broadway area to downtown? This might bring better coverage of city, county & state issues than we see on the airwaves now. Of course, the transmitters would stay where they are.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:43 a.m. Yes.
Gary T 9:43 a.m. Does the law firm who bought and are renovating Calvary Baptist Church own the large lot to the north of it? If so, what are they planning on doing with it. If not, do the owners have any plans now that the surrounding areas are filling in?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:44 a.m. Gary, the law firm owns the lot to the east of the church and will be adding a surface parking lot on the parcel. The property to the north is owned by the Oklahoma City Urban Renewal Authority, with other parcels to the northeast of the church owned by the OIC across the street. The land is in play.
Nick 9:44 a.m. Midtown Renaissance is building a new parking garage north of the old Marion Hotel. Currently, there is a grey warehouse building on that site, set back off the street. Is that building going to be torn down to make way for the garage?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:45 a.m. I believe the one-story building you are referring to is on the north edge of the lot. If that is it, yes, my understanding is it will be removed to make way for the garage.
Gary T 9:45 a.m. Several years ago there was a great plan to build a 4-5 story retail/office/condo area on the lot south of the Coca-Cola BT events center. Do you see anything starting anytime some on that spot?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:46 a.m. No. That proposal was pitched by Bob Funk when he still owned the Oklahoma City RedHawks.
Nick 9:46 a.m. And the Mystery Tower questions begin! haha, thanks Eugene!
Steve Lackmeyer 9:46 a.m. Um, yeah, thanks a lot Eugene (friendly sarcastic tone fully intended)
MB 9:47 a.m. People might be interested that that old overhead door building on Walker was, in the 60os and 70s, the central Oklahoma office for the Social Security administration. I worked during college in the old Humpty food store just south of it, which later burned and is still a vacant slab.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:47 a.m. Wow. I never knew that. Thanks MB!
BethanySooner 9:48 a.m. Steve, from your article on the new hotel proposal for Bricktown it appears that the developer is willing to make necessary design changes to fit in with the more urban environment. It is unfortunate that the placement of the building has to be setback from the street in order to avoid the easements. It appears as if the ODOT easement for a potential ramp would go through the new parking lot. What happens if at some point in the future a ramp is built there?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:48 a.m. My understanding is the site design does not intrude on the ODOT easement.
Matt 9:48 a.m. Thanks Steve. As for the Mystery Tower, outside of the one you are traking that is currently underway, do you see additional towers starting construction in the next 2 years or so in OKC?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:49 a.m. Tell me what's next for SandRidge Energy. My crystal ball has a crack in it.
Gary T 9:49 a.m. How is the construction of the canal/river connection coming along?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:50 a.m. I went by Regatta Park last week and crews were well along in pouring the cement/concrete (not sure which material) lining to the canal extension under the I-40 bridge.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:51 a.m. I suspect it won't be much longer before the canal extension is completed; the river needs to be refilled with water for regatta season.
Nick 9:51 a.m. It sure seems like something's up. The question is, do you know what??
Steve Lackmeyer 9:51 a.m. Yes.
Guest 9:51 a.m. Good Morning Steve
Steve Lackmeyer 9:51 a.m. Good morning!
Nick 9:51 a.m. I enjoyed your article on the Calvary Baptist Church. I know several people at OKCTalk weren't thrilled with the idea of parking coming to their neighborhood, but your article and video shows that the Davis' are taking great care with their renovations and that's going to be a nice project and a good addition.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:53 a.m. Thanks.
Parking isn't always evil. I use a parking space every day. They're convenient, and without them, I'd be stuck parking on the highway, which probably would be bad. I do understand the debate, but Deep Deuce is developing with quite a bit of density. I'm not sure this one parking lot will change that.
Bob 9:53 a.m. Is the downtown Panera dead or are they looking for another site?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:54 a.m. From what I'm hearing, it's still in the mix, but maybe not where they first targeted.
Nick 9:54 a.m. I'm very pleased to learn of this! I look forward to your update and hopefully Skinny Slim's improved landscaping.
BethanySooner 9:54 a.m. I was also wondering why there was no report from Tuesdays City Council meeting. There is also no agenda notes or video on their website. Some of the topics looked quite interesting.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:54 a.m. I believe Bill Crum, our new City Hall reporter, did a story on the budget outlook and economic forecast delivered at the meeting.
Sue 9:55 a.m. comment more about the lack of parks in north OKC....you skated on that one.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:55 a.m. I know there is a very nice city park in Quail Creek, just south of NW 122.
Nick 9:56 a.m. Steve, Gary T's question reminded me, can we get a blog post that details the planned housing for Deep Deuce? I'm having trouble keeping track of what projects are on what lots and the lofts are all starting to run together in that area...
Steve Lackmeyer 9:56 a.m. Yes, that's a good idea. I'll do just that.
Nick 9:56 a.m. Are you aware of any specific media outlets with proposals to move back to the core?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:57 a.m. I'm aware of some discussions, but nothing that is done to a point that I can report.
Gary T 9:57 a.m. With the Holiday Inn Express starting demolition on the old ice cream building, do you see this as being a way to make Main Street more attractive for retailers and not just offices?
Steve Lackmeyer 9:57 a.m. Yes.
Vince 9:57 a.m. Our city highway construction seem to built for now and not the future. why not build them expecting some growth? For instance the Kilpatrick should have been built with more that four lanes....I-235 should have been build with more that four near downtown.
Steve Lackmeyer 9:58 a.m. Vince, you're getting to the heart of the old sprawl debate. Not everyone will agree with you on this. Some argue that the more lanes built and added, the more it encourages sprawl development and increased traffic.
Nick 9:59 a.m. There was an interesting discussion at OKCTalk about Paycom and their recently announced expansion plans. Some posters were upset that Paycom will have 700 employees and continues to expand in a grassy field far from the core. Other posters were upset that the urbanists have to rain on everything that doesn't happen in the core. What's your take?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:03 a.m. Not everyone wants to be downtown. Whether we like it or not, Oklahoma City is a very large geographic city spanning 622 square miles (I'm reciting that figure from memory). The city's residents have put quite a bit of their resources into reviving the urban core, and that effort has paid off in terms of quality of life and private investment. But is it fair for the "urbanists" to then disparage the suburban folks who helped make this revival possible? In other cities this sort of discussion has resulted in anti-downtown rhetoric among city council members and civic leaders (and we already have once person running for a city council seat here in Oklahoma City whose web site suggests too much attention is being given to downtown). Unintended consequences may not be pleasant.
Nick 10:03 a.m. Gary, that was the old Bob Funk project. It had very nice renderings but the city didn't want to play.
Nick 10:03 a.m. Discussion about the CC seems to have slowed considerably. Perhaps they're reevaluating the site selection?? I know, wishful thinking...
Steve Lackmeyer 10:04 a.m. Not to my knowledge.
guy 10:04 a.m. Steve, there's a building somewhere around 10th st on the East side of Broadway. About six or seven stories, and has a huge "eternity where?" banner on the side of it. What is that building? i mean, what's it currently being used for? (And is there any plans for its future use?)
Steve Lackmeyer 10:04 a.m. That's the old Cain's Coffee building. It's a religious group and coffee shop. I've never visited it. Maybe I should add that to my list.
Nick 10:04 a.m. Do you think 2013 Better Block OKC will be the catalyst that finally brings some real life back to the Farmer's Market area?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:05 a.m. Yes. If you look at current development trends and the resolution the boulevard design, it's difficult to see the area not becoming the next vibrant downtown historic district.
guy 10:05 a.m. What about the old buildings along E.K Gaylord (Shields i guess) South of Reno? i know one of them was a haunted house this past Halloween. Are any of those looking at future revamps?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:06 a.m. I don't know if they'll be renovated or torn down as part of the city's Core to Shore master plan.
Nick 10:06 a.m. Is Better Block OKC 2012 responsible for Barre3 possibly opening a third location in the building with Ludivine?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:06 a.m. I don't know. Good question.
Nick 10:06 a.m. BethanySooner, with a hotel there, how exactly could a ramp go through that easement? And what would it go to?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:07 a.m. I am not a highway engineer. I do not fully understand how the easement is set up, only that it exists.
guy 10:07 a.m. On Broadway, just a few feet South of 16th street is a blue "Museum" sign that points to the East. i went down E 16th one day looking for a museum but never found one. What's that sign referring to?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:08 a.m. It's likely referring to the Overholser Mansion, which is a great display of our city's history and the early day town fathers, the Overholsers.
Nick 10:08 a.m. Will U-haul ever give up ownership of the building downtown so that it can be turned into grand lofts?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:09 a.m. Plenty of developers have approached the folks who own the U-haul building. So far, those efforts have gone no where.
Nick 10:09 a.m. After OCU's proposal for the Fred Jones building died, could we see other plans come forward for that building?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:09 a.m. Yes.
Nick 10:09 a.m. But you can't share because it's a complicated real estate transaction? Tell me it ain't so, Steve!
Steve Lackmeyer 10:10 a.m. On the tower? I can't share because there is nothing to share yet, other than what I've already told you.
Brian 10:10 a.m. New tower over 600ft?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:10 a.m. Go fish.
BethanySooner 10:10 a.m. With the north end of the new central park expected to be under construction later this year, do you have any idea what the timeline will be to improve Hudson and Robinson streets which surround the park?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:11 a.m. This is a bit murky. I suspect the delay of the boulevard will ultimately cause city engineers to reevaluate their schedules for these projects.
Bob 10:11 a.m. There was no City Council meeting this week. They had a budget workshop instead.
Guest 10:11 a.m. A few years ago I remember hearing about the possibility of a city-wide greenway. Is anything like that still possible? It would be great to have a network of trails connecting various parts of OKC.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:12 a.m. Yes, completing vast sections of the trails master plan is funded as part of MAPS 3.
Nick 10:12 a.m. Why did OU purchase the Presbyterian Health Foundation's Research Park? What does that mean for the park going forward?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:12 a.m. It's a good fit for OU and what they're doing at the Oklahoma Health Center. I'm not sure what park you are referring to.
Guest 10:12 a.m. Steve, the drainage work being done on the Oklahoma River, just east of I-235, is that to help with the whitewater rafting facility that's coming to OKC? If not, where is that supposed to be?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:13 a.m. I am not sure.
Guest 10:13 a.m. Is the waffle joint ever going to open in the space across the street from 1492?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:13 a.m. I believe he recently obtained his building permit.
Victor 10:13 a.m. So, Is Nordstrom Rack coming to the old Linens n Things site at Belle Isle, or not? They don't show anything for OK on their website where they announce new stores.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:13 a.m. This is not a project I've been tracking. Sorry....
sean 10:13 a.m. Any idea what is going on in the space across the street from 1492? Waffle place going to open soon?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:14 a.m. Yes. a building permit was recently taken out for the Waffle Champion.
Justin 10:14 a.m. Steve, I've lost track of the latest news for KD's restaurant site downtown. Did they scrap the one-story development idea there?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:14 a.m. Good question. That groundbreaking has been followed by months of the ground remaining undisturbed!
Pete 10:14 a.m. An indoor mall or outdoor type mall like the old Penn Square sure would put an exclamation point on downtown retail.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:15 a.m. Um.... check with Vincent Carozza on that idea. He might disagree.
OklahomaNick 10:15 a.m. It doesn't make sense for everyone to locate downtown. Some offices perfer/need suburban areas.
Justin 10:15 a.m. Also, any new development proposals for the corner piece on the canal just west of the ballpark?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:16 a.m. Chris Johnson is entertaining new proposals for the site.
Nick 10:16 a.m. So you think the boulevard design has been resolved and the bridge of Western is final?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:17 a.m. No. The Federal Highway Administration will get final say, and they're not done with their review (I'm not certain it has started).
Sara 10:17 a.m. Does Sandridge own the empty field south of the Y off Broadway?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:17 a.m. The triangular-sized lot is owned by a SandRidge affiliate. They have not announced any plans for the site.
Victor 10:17 a.m. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 highest chance, what is the chance that Chesapeake will leave OKC with Aubrey gone?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:18 a.m. Don't ask me. I thought Aubrey McClendon would survive as CEO. Ask 10 different people this question and you may very well get 10 different answers.
okcfan 10:18 a.m. Steve, not sure if you got my question earlier, it was about the drainage work being done east of I-235 on the Oklahoma River. Is that possibly to help accomodate the new white water facility coming to OKC? If not, where will that be?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:19 a.m. I don't think any construction or site work has been started for the white water venue. But I can't say for certain it's not related. I just don't know the answer on this.
Nick 10:19 a.m. No, not on the tower. On the Midtown R group's work between 10th and 11th and the Fred Jones building.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:20 a.m. I promise, when deals are ready to be reported on with these properties, I'll get the story out.
guy 10:20 a.m. Steve, if the sign refers to the Overholser mansion, it points the wrong way. The arrow underneath "MUSEUM" points to East of Broadway.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:20 a.m. East? OK. Then that's pointing to the Harn Homestead, another great historic asset.
Brian 10:20 a.m. go fish?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:21 a.m. Meaning, draw another card. I'm not able to answer any other questions on the topic. My humor is hit or miss this morning. Forgive me.
South OKC Guest 10:21 a.m. What type of work do you see transpiring from Better Block OKC 2013 with regard to the OKC Farmer's Market? I'm very happy to see them dust off this gem and even signed up to volunteer in their efforts!
Steve Lackmeyer 10:21 a.m. Yep. I answered this question earlier in the chat.
Nick 10:21 a.m. The park was referring to the Research Center off Lincoln. I haven't seen any changes and didn't know if the purchase ever actually went through. I'm just not seeing what it means for OU and the city going forward.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:22 a.m. I'm not aware of this park. I'll ask around.
G.Walker 10:22 a.m. What are your views on the Oklahoma Health Science Center rescinding their rezoning efforts for the JFK neighborhood to the south?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:24 a.m. There is a history in the JFK neighborhood that not everyone appreciates. It's complicated, it's painful, and unless one understands that history, they probably can't fully appreciate why the residents are upset. Likewise, one must also look at the pattern of the Oklahoma Health Center's growth to understand their concerns. Too often we're encouraged to look at every debate as having good guys and bad guys. But it's not always black and white - sometimes it's a lot of gray. I'll try to delve into this topic in the near future.
South OKC Guest 10:24 a.m. What is the likelihood OKC will get the following stores: H&M; Urban Outfitters; Restoration Hardware; Ikea; and Von Maur's. Have you heard of any other possibilities?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:25 a.m. Von Maur's - 100 percent.
Urban Outfitters - 75 percent.
Restoration Hardware - 25 percent.
Ikea - 10 percent
H&M - I don't know.
Joshua Newberry 10:25 a.m. It takes quite a while to build out a commercial space, Waffle Champion will be amazing, but my guess is May if they just got their permit. That's about how long it took us to build out Orange Leaf on 23rd.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:26 a.m. I love what was done with Orange Leaf and Pizza 23. It's a great adaptive re-use of an old forgotten office building.
Scott 10:26 a.m. I've heard from good sources that an Embassy Suites is going to be built south of OUHSC at NE 8th and Lincoln. Comments?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:27 a.m. This project has been planned for a few years, and yes, I'm hearing it's getting closer to becoming a reality.
Nick 10:27 a.m. Speaking of Chris Johnson, how are things going with his latest proposal further north in Bricktown?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:27 a.m. I talked to him the other day and he seems quite serious about redeveloping the old Jokers building across from the Hampton Inn.
South OKC Guest 10:27 a.m. Any further news about Crossroads Mall? I've spoken with contractors who are down on prospects there but I keep hearing random positive bursts of future news from ownership.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:27 a.m. I hear the same buzz. But that's it.
Bud 10:27 a.m. Is the city council doing anything at all to enhance more green living here? things such as more recycling opportunities, allowing a few backyard chickens, etc.? We are supposedly an agricultural state but not a very friendly city for the national agrarian movement.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:28 a.m. They're building green buildings like the new Bricktown fire station, they've added electric charging vehicle stations downtown, they're adding bike lanes, sidewalks and trails. They're doing recycling.
Bob 10:28 a.m. If a new county jail is built, what happens to the old one?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:28 a.m. Can't see that far in the future.
Scott 10:29 a.m. In addition to the Embassy Suites from the Bob Howard group at OUHSC, they are also about to break ground on a new 9 story academic tower and possible a new 10-12 story hospital tower. Have you heard any of this?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:29 a.m. Yep. A lot more development is on tap for the area.
South OKC Guest 10:29 a.m. Speaking of water, how will Oklahoma's drought and water woes affect new planned development and summer fun at White Water Bay (2 new slides), Frontier City and Andy Alligator's?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:29 a.m. They'll proceed as planned I suspect.
Nick 10:29 a.m. Steve, when I said park, this is what I was referring to: http://www.phfresearchpark.com/
Nick 10:29 a.m. Is Fassler Hall coming to OKC? There are rumors...
Steve Lackmeyer 10:29 a.m. Don't know
Ben 10:30 a.m. White Castle or Pappadeaux ever coming to OKC?
Steve Lackmeyer 10:30 a.m. I wish.
Steve Lackmeyer 10:30 a.m. That's it folks. Staff meeting is starting. Have a great weekend!

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Steve Lackmeyer is a reporter and columnist who started his career at The Oklahoman in 1990. Since then, he has won numerous awards for his coverage, which included the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, the city's Metropolitan...
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