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David Stanley Ford

Ballard’s teacher pay plan has lawmakers’ attention
OUR VIEWS State asked to help with proposal

The Oklahoman Editorial    Comments Comment on this article48
Published: November 3, 2009

ASIDE from consolidation, perhaps nothing gets the education establishment riled up like talk of merit pay. Still, the issue gets lip service from time to time at the state Capitol, especially when teachers want a pay raise and some salty lawmaker has the audacity to suggest that there ought to be some accountability attached.

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But a recent conversation at the Capitol between Tulsa schools Superintendent Keith Ballard and a legislative task force feels like more than a passing fancy. That’s partly because Ballard doesn’t give up easily and has much credibility among legislators from his days as head of the Oklahoma State School Boards Association. But it’s also because Ballard isn’t talking about merit or performance pay in some generic way. He has a plan.

It’s a very specific one, developed over several months with the help of consultants and with the teacher union’s blessing on the dime of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Ballard said the key is a strong evaluation component that uses a variety of data to assess teachers. And even a down economy isn’t enough reason for legislators to put off the issue if they have the will and believe it’s right for kids, Ballard said.

The superintendent thinks it will take $15 million for Tulsa to implement his entire plan but that the state could set aside a pot of $5 million for Tulsa and Oklahoma City to start pilot performance pay programs as proof that the plan will work.

It’s too early to say whether any legislator will feel strongly enough to carry the issue in a tough budget year likely to be dominated by cuts rather than new programs. But there are other reasons why the timing isn’t so bad.

Even though it was unsuccessful, Tulsa’s effort to land a Gates Foundation grant to improve teacher effectiveness was monumental. The district rallied tremendous support from many corners, including the union, city officials and the philanthropic community. Ballard is determined not to let that go to waste and is still working to raise money to fund the evaluation and performance pay components developed as part of the grant proposal.

The plan also could qualify Tulsa for federal money available under several new U.S. Education Department grant programs, including the Race to the Top fund.

Tulsa’s road would be eased if the state would chip in. And finally — finallyOklahoma could really talk about paying great teachers more for the critical work they do instead of paying those great teachers the same as the ones who only bothered to show up.

Oklahoma could really talk about paying great teachers more for the critical work they do instead of paying those great teachers the same as the ones who only bothered to show up.

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Education is a priority to most Oklahoman's. I am one of them. I differ in the approach though. I fully support educating our children but I do not believe it is the only priority our state has. Our legislature continually throws money at education and the system keeps getting worse. And yes to a certian degree the state should be involved in peoples personal lives when it involves the abuse, neglect or exploitation of our children and our elderly. That is the law of our great state. Without law and intervention we have anarchy.

If the legislation at hand would give grants to individuals to further their education I would fully support it. Maybe vouchers to get their children out of the broken public education system and into a a privte system. But to continue to pump more and more money into a system that is broken is ludicras. It amazes me that the people have not had a full revolt against our current education system and demanded that it be fixed. Oklahoma is behind in every area of education and until that is addressed through a means other than teacher pay raises we will continue to be. We need true change not the lip service of the teachers union and a few politicians looking to stay in office.
william, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 3:48 pm
william, Oklahoma City: I am not a teacher nor have never belonged to a union. I happen to value education and see it as a priority in this State. When I was growing up, Oklahoma taxpayers choose to give me a good public education. Now that I am a taxpayer, I beleive it is my responsiblity to do the same. If you mean supporting my own as in public education as a whole, you bet I do.

You believe the State should focus more on improving the home life of Oklahoma citizens? More government intervention into people's lives?
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 9:48 am
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MBA- I can tell you are a teacher. I know you will support your own and rightfully so. Just remember that if SQ 744 passess that it will take funding away from all of the other services to Oklahomans and prioritize education. I for one do not believe that should be the case. There are many deserving people in our state. One group is the elderly. They helped build our great nation and state and are now raising many of the very children that are having such a hard time in their young life. 744 may be good for teachers but it will be bad for every other group of people who need any other governmental program. I still believe teachers are the most legislatively coddled profession. I believe in them getting fair pay and that the job they do is important but they are not the answer to all of the problems in our society as many people, like J, make them out to be. The answers to those problems start at home. So the state should focus on improving the home life and let the teachers focus on education. Societal problems can not be fixed by teachers.
william, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 9:12 am
William, any teacher who feels like a high priced baby sitter needs to find a new career.

And you missed my point. I realize teachers are not social workers. But teachers are expected to do more and more social work. Teachers are expected to teach character education. Teachers show many students more love and compassion than they see at home.
Do you think schools in affluent areas are good only because of the teachers/administrators? No, the parents have just as much to do with that. Most of your underperforming schools are in areas where parental involvement is nil. But yeah, it's all because of the teachers, right?
J, Norman - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:18 pm
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most teachers spend too much time listening to the union. if they want a raise, they should resign from the union and keep the money they give to them. maybe they could become better teachers and receive a merit raise. oh that wouldnt be fair to the lazy teachers who do nothing but complain about low pay, would it?
Gary, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm
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Dave...harder than it should be...

MBA..I read somewhere that if both SQs pass, the one with the most votes wins.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Quit trying to identify exceptional. Most teachers are exceptional and deserve more money, some are terrible. Focus on identifying and getting rid of bad teachers/administrators. Bad teachers should be fired, good teachers should keep their jobs. How hard is this?
Dave, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:09 pm
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Matt1: Good question. Passage of this question, as long as SQ 754 does not also pass, would drastically help education. Many people believe the teacher unions would be the main beneficiary which is not really true. It will be up to the individual school district to determine where the money goes as it should be. Any teacher pay increase would have to be negotiated. Here is what I would do. If SQ 744 passes, the first order of business would be to fully fund what the State has not, textbooks, health allowances, teacher pay raises, etc. No telling what the Legislature will heap on schools if SQ 744 passes. Second, set aside additional funds for growth and escalation of operational costs. Third, pass additional funds into the classroom and each individual school. Let each school decide how best to use the funds. I get real tired of school fundraisers. Fourth, address school support employee needs. These employees are typically the lowest paid school employees. In many cases, these employees work only for the insurance and have been overlooked by the Legislature for many years now. Finally, address teacher salary concerns. This is the way I would utilize the funds. If SQ 744 passes, it will be a cold day in Hades before education will see any further voluntary funding increases by the Legislature.

What SQ 744 will do is something that needed to be done for a very long time. It will cause our Legislature to actually have to look at every revenue source to see what needs to be done to maximize State revenue. They will need to look at tax credits and exemptions, reassess the tax cuts and perhaps raise taxes slightly, probably small increases in sales/use tax and income tax. At this point it is too hard to tell. But, the Legislature will have three years to do it. Maybe a better way would have been to propose a permanent one cent sales tax for education or an additional 5 or 10 mill State property tax. In any event, it needs to be a revenue source that cannot ever be touched by the Legislature. I am more of a proponent for the notion of “if you mandate it, find a revenue source to cover it”. But, this is the only vehicle schools have our there and at this point, something is better than nothing. I feel as if I have been writing novels in my posts lately.
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:47 pm
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MBA, I just have gut feeling that if this were to pass, I really wonder how much will really be resolved. It just doesn't feel right, plain old gut feeling based on so little knowledge. The OEA is very confident as their papers say "when SQ 744 passes." I have no doubt this subject will be in the paper again.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Matt1: Yep, but at least something to offset the underfunded mandates would be better than nothing.
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:56 pm
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Speaking of the "Formula", the tax increase that the SQ 744 will bring, if passed, will be disbursed on the basis of the present funding formula for school allocations.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:48 pm
william, Oklahoma City: It is not necessarily the "cuts", it is the unfunded and underfunded mandates heaped on schools that are hurting our schools. You mention pay raises for teachers. These raises were underfunded by the Legislature. As more and more teachers are being hired due to increases in student population, no additional money is being added to cover these raises. In addition, the money for these raises are being put through the State Education Funding Formula, which bases the amount each school district receives on the number of weighted students each district has. In no way should money for a teacher pay raise be based on the number of weighted students in a school district. Here’s an real life example.

The money given to school districts for the first $3,000 pay increase given teachers many years ago was distributed in a different manner than today. School districts received funding for this raise based on the number of teachers they had. Plain and simple. You have 100 teachers, your district received $300,000 plus the FICA. You received this allocation in a separate line item and it was easily tracked. Our Legislature has since done away with this practice by moving all pay raise funds (including the first $3,000 pay raise) into the Formula. So now, the money a district receives for teacher pay raises is based on weighted students, not the number of teachers a district has. Also, it is very easy to hide the funds when they are comingled with all the other educational funding.

You mention the Lottery money. Our Legislature used the schools’ Lottery money to fund a portion of the last $3,000 teacher pay raise they gave. Since these raises are ongoing each year, the Lottery money must be used to fund it every year. By the way, they put the Lottery money in the State Education Funding Formula also, but that’s another rant.

You mention cuts in education. Last year, the school support employee health care premiums were not fully funded. This year, schools have been taking a 5% cut in their monthly allocations just like other State agencies. The healthcare premium increases set to go in effect in January are not fully funded. These underfunded mandates amount to budget cuts. School districts must still fulfill these obligations even if the money is not provided by the Legislature. That’s the law.

MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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I would like to see the "variety of data" that is proposed in the above article. Would eliminate a lot of guesswork and fruitless discussion since so many have already signed onto it. How about it DOK? Can you have that info pretty quick? They have it put together!
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Stinkerpants-Where are all these cuts you are talking about. We have been throwing more and more money at education ever since HB1017. There is more wrong with our educational system than just funding! Teachers get a step raise every year and the legislature gives them raises when no other state employee gets one. They also get 35% of the money from the lottery. Most state emploees have had only one raise in the last 8 years. I know the teachers have had at least 4 during that time and that is in addition to the step raise they get every year!
william, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I'll give you a real life example...5th grade teacher has 4 kids that still cannot add or subtract at this point (2nd grade pass skills). That is after 3 months into this year. No other 5th grade teachers got kids with these difficulties (and this is just some of them). Do you really think they are going to pass the 5th grade math skills test? This teacher (who got these kids because she is still going to do the best job with them amongst those teachers available and the Admin knows it) is going to take a huge hit. Just a sample of the difficulties in making this thing work.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Dave, that would be applicable if the classrooms will be equally loaded with student potentials. They won't. The Chosen One is talking on TV now about education and measurement.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Outcomes. By whatever name, education should be based on outcomes. How many students do teachers teach? How much do they get paid? What is average pay per student? Every student that fails results in teachers/administrators reduced pay by that amount. Merit pay won't work, but demerit pay will work. If you don't do your job, you don't get paid.
Dave, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 1:46 pm
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Me too. But I can almost guarantee that who gets what will also become 'public knowledge' by the staffs and that will also cause problems. This thing is loaded with landmines, hidden obstacles, including nepotism and extended favoritism. Ask anyone in a small-medium sized community.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I would be all for merit pay for teachers if someone would propose fair criteria for evaluation. Real problems that make it difficult include:
Poor preparation of students by prior year teachers
Poor parental involvement
Poor curriculum "experiments" by administration
Popularity contests
Variable student abilities each year

Maybe a combination of improvement in test scores, principal evaluation, and an independent evaluation from the school board based on observation.
And this BS of "they only work 8 months a year" gets tiring. The peolpe who spout this obviously don't know real, dedicated teachers.
Michael, Yukon - Nov 4, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Merit pay is just a disguise for more cuts to education.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:16 am
I have to agree with william in that there are teachers that do not take work home, their classes are such that they largely do not have to work during breaks and such. The work loads vary dramatically throughout the different grade levels and class subjects taught. I cringe when I hear that the teacher is inputing grades on their computer instead of lecturing, teaching during classroom hours. I hate that DVD player and TV where my kids have watched so many movies I could spit nails. I also cringe when I hear that teachers consider themselves high priced baby-sitters. I do all I can to keep my kids out of these classrooms.

There are great teachers doing a great jobs. I'll say what I said on other threads, find out which ones these are in your school and do all you can to get your kids in those classrooms.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:56 am
J- I am close to several teachers and they do only work 8 months out of the year. Figure in fall break, Christmas break, spring break and summer break and that equates to around four months off. In fact, I have several of them tell me they are nothing more than high priced baby sitters. And these are current teachers in the State of Oklahoma. You talk about kids that have terrible home lives as if that is a teachers job to correct. A teachers job is to educate our children. Leave the social work to the social workers. We have a child welfare system that is over worked and under paid also. Teachers are the the one group that the politicians cater to while ignoring the rest of our society. Senior nutrition programs just took a 7.5 million dollar cut and now many of them will go without the one hot meal a day they were getting.

Our education system is broken and it must be fixed. I am not saying teachers do not deserve a fair wage. I am just saying if you do not perform you duties to an acceptable level then you should not be rewarded with a raise. That is something you learn in business 101. You should know that since you worked in the business arena. Oh wait, you worked for a banking institution that was probably bailed out by tax payer dollars and then gave fat bonuses to their executives who bancrupted our economy. This is what is wrong with our country today. Everyone feels entitled!
william, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:40 am
comment ! My bad typing is not a teacher's fault!
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:49 am
Ditto on Matt's cooment, J. Norman highlighted several myths with real events. A lot of kids leave that Hell they call home and go to public schools.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:47 am
J,Norman What a great post!
Matt1, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:07 am

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