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Berry Tramel: Bring back OU-Nebraska, every year

By BERRY TRAMEL, Staff Writer, btramel@opubco.com    Comments Comment on this article93
Published: November 5, 2009



It's Oklahoma-Nebraska week, so you know what that means.

Saccharine overload.

Welcome to college football's lovefest. The series that's more mushy than a Valentine card. More syrupy than a cherry Dr Pepper.


Johnny Rodgers, Barry Switzer and Tom Osborne pose for a group photograph at the half of the college football game between the University of Oklahoma Sooners (OU) and the University of Nebraska Huskers (NU) at the Gaylord Family -- Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, on Saturday, Nov. 1, 2008, in Norman, Okla. BY STEVE SISNEY, THE OKLAHOMAN

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The rivalry in which fans join hands at halftime and sing We Are the World. In which old gladiators convene the night before kickoff and celebrate the wondrous game they lost.

So OK, I give up. I'm on board. Time to play Oklahoma-Nebraska every season.

Time to trash the Big 12's balanced schedule and make the Sooners-Huskers an annual rite.

College football was built on rivalries like this. College football needs games like this.

We've got enough Florida-Tennessees and Boise State-Oregons. Enough OU-Texases. Enough Bedlams.

We need more games that celebrate all that is great about sport. We need to preserve and treasure traditions, not cast them to the street in the name of equitable scheduling.

The Southeastern Conference realized that back when it expanded to 12 teams and two divisions in 1992. The SEC adopted a scheduling format to protect the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry. The Crimson Tide and Volunteers play every year despite being in opposite divisions. All other SEC team were given an annual crossover opponent, too, but clearly, the format was fueled by Bama-Tennessee.

The Big 12 should do the same. We've tried it for almost 15 years, pretending OU-NU is just another game.

I supported the balanced schedule when the Big 12 formed. Argued that OU-Nebraska was a great rivalry only because it usually was a championship showdown. OU would forge other rivalries.

I was wrong. Turns out, OU-Nebraska endures whether the Big Reds are big dogs or not.

In the 1990s, the Huskers were awesome and the Sooners stunk. Much of this decade, OU soared while NU stumbled.

Yet the bells-on-the-hills feelings remain for these ancient powers, whose eyeblack has shot their arrows into each other's hearts.

Tom Osborne, once Nebraska's coaching legend and now its athletic director, has invited OU's major award winners to join their Nebraska counterparts at a dinner Friday night in Lincoln, then be recognized at halftime Saturday night.

Last October, Oklahoma AD Joe Castiglione staged a reunion of the 1971 Game of the Century, which the Sooners lost, that rarest of celebrations, honoring not victory, but competition.

Such honor and respect is in short supply in the modern athletic world, which is why OU-Nebraska clamors to return to an annual schedule.

Yes, it could create a scheduling imbalance, particularly if the Huskers ever return to their historic status as the Central Time Zone's flagship football program north of Norman.

That's a small price to pay to restore a grand tradition that never should have been halted.

Oklahoma and Nebraska played every season from 1928 until 1998. Seventy straight autumns, from Calvin Coolidge's administration to Bill Clinton's.

And an uncommon thing happened. The best parts of sport thrived. Sportsmanship. Dignity. Competition. And the best football games you've ever seen.

Let not such honor take two-year hiatuses, just to satisfy some scheduling model.

Bring back Oklahoma-Nebraska every year.

Berry Tramel: 405-760-8080; Berry Tramel can be heard Monday through Friday from 4:40-5:20 p.m. on The Sports Animal radio network, including AM-640 and FM-98.1.

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Oh, and RL, where do you think Nebraska got Tommie Frazier from? Last I heard, it was in SEC country. Too vanilla? You obviously haven't been to Nebraska lately. Seriously, its not like we're Idaho.
Alex, Rushvill - Nov 10, 2009 at 4:00 pm
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I shouldn't say "in the mountains", but no mountains in sight. To add, Oklahoma could keep the Red River Rivalry, since its earlier in the season, and have it serve as a strength of schedule game in off years. Don't know what OU fans think, but it makes sense to me.
Alex, Rushvill - Nov 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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I'd like some proof that Nebraska tried to get into the Big 10. The weak 11 sucks and always will. As hospitable as a Nebraska fans can be, they hate the Big 10 and absolutely hate Notre Dame. How's this for a master plan to retool the Big 12? Give Colorado to the Mountain West. Makes sense as there would be three conference opponents within two hours of driving (Air Force, CSU, Wyoming). The New Mexico and Utah schools would also be close. Then take TCU from the Mountain West (not even in the mountains), put them in the Big 12 South. Then bring OU north. As a Nebraska fan, I would be perfectly comfortable with this, as the best team would win, competition in the North would be better, and whoever would win the north would likely crack the whip on the Texas. This move would strengthen the conference and balance things out a bit, and would bring back my favorite game to Thanksgiving.
Alex, Rushvill - Nov 10, 2009 at 3:45 pm
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Good Lord, Mary...you can't be serious. OU and NU can play each other in the off years if they choose to. It would fall under their 4-game OOC games..even though the 2 teams play in the same conference. It would not count as a conference game. Hence, the "OOC" designation. If I were speaking to you face to face, I'd say quote/unquote. Get it now?
harry, lake forest - Nov 7, 2009 at 11:05 am
Mary, even in that you are wrong. The football talent pools are in northern Texas, mid and northern Florida and southern California. They move north every year. Reason State of Oklahoma is now being mentioned as an emerging football talent pool. And as a further comment, the demographics for football are not moving south. They are moving north. Nebraska is blocked. Big Ten will not take them. They tried in the '90s. Iowa, Minnesota and Illinois refused. Delany, Big Ten Commissioner, is going east for expansion of the Big 10, if it occurs.
r, richardson - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 pm
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I remember the old NU/OK Thanksgiving rivalry. I couldnt even get up at half time to go the bathroom or turn my head lest my dad smack me for not paying attention. Bring it back!!!!!!!!
HuskerBob - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Forget Texas for a moment, OSU can't even beat your mid-majors like Houston or TCU. That's how much talent there is in Texas, when a major college like OSU or Nebraska can't even compete with the mid majors in Texas. We're talking Nebraska here, a university that fills a 90,000 seat stadium week in and week out. Some of these mid-majors in Texas don't even pull in thirty thousand for a game. I mean when the talent overload is this lopsided that a kid would rather stay home and play for a mid-major over Nebraska then I have to question the integrity of the game. I don't think it's a Big XII issue as much as I believe it's an NCAA issue. Maybe conferences should be done away with and your opponents determined by drawing them from a hat!
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 6:02 pm
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Wrong r! Look at what's happened to the Big 10! They suck! So does the Pac 10. It's all about Southeast Conference vs. Big XII now for National Championships. This is because populations are moving from the North to the South with factory and mining jobs becoming more scarce in the North. High oil prices are keeping Southern recruits closer to home. They no longer wish to leave Texas to play so far North as Nebraska where their families are unable to attend the games on a regular basis. No one is disputing the talent pool in Texas. OU and OSU both make a living recruiting talent from Texas. Oklahoma High School football is not on par with Texas HS football. They build shrines in the form of stadiums at high schools in Texas. Football is the sport of choice in the state of Texas. The climate is moderate, sometimes almost too hot. Most NCAA Division II schools don't have facilities as plush as many Texas high schools. There's big money and big stakes involved with Texas HS football. They should pass a rule that only allows limited scholarships for universities with enrollments over 40,000. Smaller private schools should be allowed twenty more scholarships than the big schools. In fact they should set scholarship limitations based on enrollments. The larger schools should get fewer scholarships and the smaller schools should get more scholarships. In doing so allow the larger schools to field an unlimited number of walk-ons.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 5:42 pm
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Let's just stick with OU and Nebraska playing every year. I sure as heck would rather watch OU NU than OU Idaho State.
David, Grant - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Wrong Mary. That is just Big Eight Psycho Talk. Big Eight had the advantage of being in the right place at the right time. Texas was saddled with a bunch of private schools in the SWC. Big 10 was attempting a ban on redshirting. And academic requirements weren't that high. So recruiting was much easier. The talent was almost exclusively in Texas in the southern part of the Big Eight recruiting grounds. The northern part raided Big 10 recruiting grounds.
r, richardson - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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I'll tell you something else too! The OU-Texas game isn't nearly as important now that both teams are in the same conference as it was when it was the Big 8 vs. the Southwest Conference. It's lost in the ratings significantly. I'll tell you something else, too! Moving out of the Southwest Conference and into the Big XII Conference was the best thing that ever happened to Texas. Texas was content in competing in a mediocre Southwest Conference and never was a threat to win a National Championship. The step up to the Big XII is what has propelled Texas into national prominence. Texas owes the Big XII Conference a debt of gratitude, it's not the other way around!
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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I don't know what the solution is but OSU can't beat Texas! I don't know any other meaning for "OOC" other than "out of conference". Please explain. The referenced column speaks of bringing back Nebraska-OU every year. You can't do that the way the Big XII is currently set up. I think it's a great idea too! Playing in the North has devastated Nebraska's football program. Nebraska has the finest fans of any university in the nation barring none. They are great people and they support their football team through thick and thin. Texas is just a behemoth who with a coach like Urban Meyer would never lose to anyone, anywhere, anytime. It's fortunate that Mack Brown is head coach at Texas because of his ineptness as a coach it keeps some teams competetive with Texas. Maybe we should shuck the entire North and bring back TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice and Tulsa to make an all Oklahoma/Texas Conference. You could call it the Texhoma Conference. This Big XII just doesn't work right the way they have it set up.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 3:43 pm
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Record is OU 44-37-3 overall with the game of the decade being the most memorable in 1971. OU won the last game 68-28 in Norman - 2008. During the "we would like to forget 90's" NU dominated OU and won by most points ever, 69-7 in Lincoln - 1997. OU returned the favor in 2000's, but their widest margin of victory came in 1949, a 48-0 victory. Yes, there is a great deal of respect between the two teams and never any whining it seems. Tom Osborne, the consumate gentleman and quiet one, is as important in the rivalry as Barry Switzer, beloved of Sooner fans everywhere and very outgoing. Yes, Berry Tramel, we all agree, bring this very important competition back to an annual and much anticipated event. It will be good for college football, the two universities, and add to the bottom-line by generating revenue for the programs and B12. I doubt Barry Switzer will ever consider the role of AD at OU, but would be happy if he did. In my own mind, it sounds appropriate.
william, Tulsa - Nov 6, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Mary. Be very careful in speaking for OSU. Colorado is the weak point in the Big 12. If they attempt to leave, Texas will come to their support. AGAIN, OSU wishes to remain in the South. Contrary to anything you have written on this thread. OSU wants to stay with the Texas schools. And if it means leaving the Big 12 to stay with Colorado, Texas, Tech, A&M and Oklahoma, they will do it.
r, richardson - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:03 am
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Mary. Be very careful in speaking for OSU. Colorado is the weak point in the Big 12. If they attempt to leave, Texas will come to their support. AGAIN, OSU wishes to remain in the South. Contrary to anything you have written on this thread. OSU wants to stay with the Texas schools. And if it means leaving the Big 12 to stay with Colorado, Texas, Tech, A&M and Oklahoma, they will do it.
r, richardson - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:02 am
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Mary--reading comprehension not your strong suit, huh? Go back and read the post again. Pay particular attention to the quotation marks around "OOC". See if you can figure out what it means.
harry, lake forest - Nov 5, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Amen!!!! Boy do I wish!!!!
Stuart, Brooklyn - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:10 pm
DUMP Baylor. Get Arkansas into the Big XII. Back in the 70s, there was a great OSU-Arkansas rivalry. Bring it back.
Keith, New York City - Nov 5, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I would like to get rid of Colorado though! They complain all the time and no one likes the time change and the thin air. I know OSU would like to make Colorado a memory.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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Ok here it is! Dump Colorado and pick up Arkansas. Put Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, OSU, Missouri and Arkansas in the East. The rest goes to the West.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 5:21 pm
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I think that if Arkansas played all their games in Fayetteville, which they really should, they'd have no problem joining the Big XII. It's those Little Rock games that keep them in the Southeast Conference.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 5:10 pm
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Harry you're an idiot! You can't schedule Nebraska as an OOC game when they're in your conference!!!
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 5:07 pm
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There was no leadership in the Big-8 back when the Big-12 was formed. SEC will always be
the leader and all others follow. Donnie Duncan was trying to stay employed somewhere, so
he didn't care about the rivalry, OU had no competitive football program under Gibb's, no
AD(Duncan), and I think David (the weasel) Swank was still the acting president. Conference
is a want-a-be joke, with weak teams, except Texas. Drop all those non-conference games
and play everybody in the conference, be the leader, not the follower. But it takes an AD
with a pair to get that done and OU Ain't Got One.
jo, edmond - Nov 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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I miss the Big 8. The NU OU rivalry was always much better than the UT OU rivalry. The NU OU one was based on respect and the importance of the game. The OU UT one is based on insecurity and hatred. It is a really nasty and negative rivalry. I agree. They should play NU and OU every year the Friday after Thanksgiving.
John, edmond - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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no way OU/Neb should play every year

The Big 12 schedule works fine the way it is now
Eric, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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Tramel forgot to mention that not only does Bama and Tennessee get to keep their East-West annual rivalry, but LSU and Florida also keep their SEC East vs. West annual rivalry. There shouldn't be any problems with making the OU-Nebraska game an annual game without compromising the conference. On another note, Nebraska will never have the ethnic diversity to recruit from as the SEC states have. Nebraska is a little too "vanilla," if you get my drift.
RL - Nov 5, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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Don't need to realign anything. OU and NU can schedule each other every year if they want to as an "OOC" game. There's nothing stopping that from happening. It's a risk of maybe having to play them twice in one year, but that risk is already in place with the North/South alignment. This decade there have been 9 CCG games....5 of those games were rematches. My solution is go to a 9-game conference schedule and kick the CCG to the curb. But, I know in advance that's about as likely to happen as the Sun orbiting around the Earth.
harry, lake forest - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I agree the Big XII is broken & is long overdue for a realignment. I, for one, grew up watching my Sooners play the Huskers & would love to see them play every year again.

Some of my ideas:

1. Colorado has been flirting with the PAC-10 since the Big XII's inception. Let them go get whipped on by USC & Cal. Replace them with someone else.

1a. After the Buffs leave, do anything & everything to convince Arkansas to leave the SEC & join the Big XII. The Razorbacks have great football tradition & are a great program but Hog fans need to face it: compared to other SEC teams, they're second-tier. The Hogs will never get past LSU, Alabama, & Florida to win a SEC Championship. Arkansas is the Texas Tech/OSU/Texas A&M of the SEC.

Arkansas in the Big XII would bring back some great rivalries: OU-Arkansas (1978 Orange Bowl anyone?), & Texas-Arkansas (a SWC classic returns). Put Arkansas in the North division now & the Hogs would be playing for a Big XII Championship for years to come!
Philip, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:10 pm
We should also consider bringing Iowa and Colorado State into the Big XII Conference along with Houston and TCU and make it the Big XVI. Then you'd have a legitimate North and South only to cross when the Big XVI Championship game occurred.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:01 pm
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I am not an ou or NE fan...What is the record between these two teams?
Jason, Tulsa - Nov 5, 2009 at 11:54 am
Mary, great idea!!* You purport to be a Cowboy supporter. You probably lost the school's greatest benefactor (T. Boone Pickens) with that realignment. Plus, A&M will refuse to be in another division than Texas.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 11:15 am
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Plus if you do it my way you have the potential for an all in state Big XII Championship game between Kansas, Oklahoma or Texas Schools.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 11:00 am
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The West would be the premeire football division while the East would sport the best premeire basketball division. It's a win-win for the Big XII Conference.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:58 am
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On second thougth, I'd probably swap A & M for Nebraska. East Division would be A & M, OSU, Missouri, Kansas, Baylor, and Iowa State. West Division would be OU, Texas, Nebraska, Colorado, Tech and K-State. Ok this is perfect. Two Texas teams in the East and two in the West.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:55 am
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If realignment is discussed, greatest risk is the Big 12 implodes. Pac-10 still wants to come across the Rockies to get into the Mountain and Central time zones. Colorado is (and has been) willing. Texas has to take A&M with them into a new conference. Pac-10, prior to the creation of the Big 12, was unwilling to take A&M. Big 12 is not a stable conference. If it is working, leave it alone.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:50 am
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Jess, either OU or OSU goes to the North, it loses standing in the Texas recruiting grounds. Texas recruits want to play Texas teams. Going to the North reduces the number of games that these recruits get to play in Texas. In front of family and against former Texas high school players.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:44 am
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Here we go! In the East Division we have Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma State and Baylor. In the West Division we have Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Colorado, Texas Tech and Texas A & M.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:42 am
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How would moving OSU into the north negatively effect their recruiting. The reason Texas players play at OU and OSU is because the state of Texas is HUGE and has a huge population. Not all the Texas schools can take all the standout players. So they look else where and find the OU and O-State and I've heard several Texas kids on Kansas and K-State rosters as well. To make the Big 12 more fair they should realign the schools. Everyone gets tired of Texas and OU being the automatic favorites. As good as O-State has gotten, they would probably play really tough in a Big 12 championship game against OU or Texas. Plus it would make the north teams better with better competition.
Jess, Warr Acres - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:38 am
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All NU has to do is win the North and they would be playing OU and or TX every year. Right? Do you really want to play NU twice in one year? You play them in the regular season and might play them in the Championship game too? Just win NU and the game will happen more often! BOOMER SOONER!!
Brian, Okemah - Nov 5, 2009 at 10:13 am
Well said, Dale.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 5, 2009 at 9:55 am
Ryan. Once upon a time, back in the days of John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger, a lot of people were saying the same thing about Oklahoma. The fans from both states will simply not allow their teams to wade in mediocrity before they demand changes and will continue to demand those changes until their teams return to the top of the pecking order. Texas was once that of a has been back in the early 90's too.
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First of all, I attended the Game of the Century. It was one of the great sporting moments in my life. Throughout the entire game, our fans never sat down. The cheers from the crowd were constant and intense. It was a great experience, and for most of the game, I really thought we would win. Unfortunately, the last great drive led by Jerry Tagge, put the nail in the coffin. I was depressed for nearly a month. A huge gloom hung over our campus until Christmas Break. Beating Auburn in the Sugar Bowl was plain boring. Even our team looked bored.

With the creation of the Big 12, it is obvious OU's destiny got a big boost. Oklahoma is inevitably linked to Texas and,of course, OSU. Okies love to compete and beat the Texans. It is in our DNA. If we didn't have a Texas, we would have to create one.

I really don't see the OU-Nebraska rivalry as dead, rather, it has been realigned to the realities of college football in today's world. If OU is going to remain a premier college football program, it's destiny is linked with Texas. Playing Texas schools will always keep us on our toes and challenge us.

I have no regrets as to how the Big 12 was created and aligned. Yes, the annual OU-Nebraska game was lost, but a little known fact was that the longest continuously played rivalry between Division I schools, OU-Kansas is lost. I know each university lost a little something with the creation of the Big 12.

What really "chaps me" is the way the current BCS system is arranged. Playing a cupcake nonconference schedule, then, winning your conference is the only way to make it to the BCS National Championship Game. What hypocrisy!
Dale, Vancouver - Nov 5, 2009 at 9:09 am
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Let CU go to the PAC-10 like they have wanted to do for the past 10 years and let Baylor got to Conference USA where they can get play some of their old in state rivals such as Houston, SMU & Rice and actually be competitive This will allow for some more great annual rivalries in the Big 12 (might have to change the conference name again). Nebraska v. Oklahoma would hopefully become meaningful again for other than sentimental reasons. OSU v. Mizzou has become and interesting matchup the past 2 years. Adopt a format like the Big 10 or the Pac 10. I think it would certainly help the current North division in recruting and becoming more competitive with the South when the players know that they will have the chance to play in some great games EVERY year. I am sure this probably won't happen because that would mean the loss of the Big 12 Championship game (has it even been competitive since the last time K-State beat OU?) and the AD's and school presidents will cry over their lost revenue. On the up side, if there are 2 highly rated schools at the end of the season, like Missouri and Oklahoma a couple years ago, they wouldn't knock each other out of BCS game contention at the end of the year, which would more than make up for the lost revenue of a conference championship.
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This rivalry has come and gone. It's not a big game anymore. Where are the stories about the game? Where is the buzz? There is none. Nebraska's best days are behind it.
Ryan, Broken Arrow - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:57 am
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I always enjoyed seeing Nebraska fans in Norman drinking beer at 10:00AM in 30 degree weather in shirtsleeves and enjoying the "temperate" weather. Bring back the annual meeting of the two Big Reds. It was a great rivalry then and would be a great rivalry again. But will never happen because the Texas teams in the Big 12 don't have a natural rival in the North division. Wouldn't benefit anyone else but OU and Nebraska.
tom, Lawton - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:39 am
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This always seems to come up every year. Here are the realities. The old SWC teams want to stay together in one division. The Baylor game in Waco is very important to Texas and A&M. Basically a home game for them. Oklahoma State, if Holder has any sense, will stay in the South. Football recruiting, general academic recruiting (something like 17% of student body from Texas), national exposure, big contributors want to stay in the South. If Oklahoma keeps this dialogue, it could very well find a movement in the Big 12 to send it to the North. To be replaced with Colorado in the South. This is exactly what the Texas schools have wanted since the inception of the Big 12 Conference. Oklahoma will take an immediate recruting hit. And since around 25% of its student body is from Texas, many (most) paying out-of-state (unlike OSU, Arkansas and LSU, also academic recruiting in Texas, but using in-state tuition waivers), one would think Boren would be adverse. Too great a danger it would affect the financial bottom line. Out-of-state tuition brings a significant amount of money into the OU coffers.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:38 am
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This always seems to come up every year. Here are the realities. The old SWC teams want to stay together in one division. The Baylor game in Waco is very important to Texas and A&M. Basically a home game for them. Oklahoma State, if Holder has any sense, will stay in the South. Football recruiting, general academic recruiting (something like 17% of student body from Texas), national exposure, big contributors want to stay in the South. If Oklahoma keeps this dialogue, it could very well find a movement in the Big 12 to send it to the North. To be replaced with Colorado in the South. This is exactly what the Texas schools have wanted since the inception of the Big 12 Conference. Oklahoma will take an immediate recruting hit. And since around 25% of its student body is from Texas, many (most) paying out-of-state (unlike OSU, Arkansas and LSU, also academic recruiting in Texas, but using in-state tuition waivers), one would think Boren would be adverse. Too great a danger it would affect the financial bottom line. Out-of-state tuition brings a significant amount of money into the OU coffers.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:38 am
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Ha, getting Texas out of the same division OSU is in, like that is the problem. LOL. For OSU to have a chance at South titles you would need both OU and Texas in another division...
Josh, Norman - Nov 5, 2009 at 8:11 am
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I like what Sam is proposing! Sign me up.
De-Angelo, Edmond - Nov 5, 2009 at 7:49 am
Kick Baylor & Iowa State to the curb and play 9 conference games like the Pac-10. It's hard to schedule that 4th non-con game anyway. As for the title game revenue either have the top 2 play or have the champ play the Mountain West champ, WAC champ, or Notre Dame in Arlington at the end of the year (networks would throw piles of cash at that). I'm sure Baylor could latch on to the Mountain West with TCU and Iowa State could go even out the Big 11.
sam, Ossian - Nov 5, 2009 at 6:52 am
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I'd do almost anything to get Texas out of the same division OSU is in!
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 6:25 am
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Heck I'd be all for changing North and South to East and West.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 6:22 am
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Berry I agree! It's time to shuffle the deck in the Big XII Conference. Move Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri to the South and move OSU, Baylor and Tech to the North. I have no problem with a team never winning a Big XII Title but I do have a problem that a team never gets the opportunity to play for a Big XII Title. Look what K-State did the one year they got the opportunity. You're exactly right, OU needs to play Nebraska every year. If nothing else the Big XII needs to go to a rotation schedule rather than a home and home two years on and two year off.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 6:14 am
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It will affect standing some year in the South.
r, richardson - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:02 am
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If OU has an annual rivalry with Nebraska, and divisions remain as presently constructed, isn't it likely to eventually have impact on standing in the South? This series will probably benefit Nebraska recruiting. OU yearly plays the Cornhuskers, meanwhile, some other Big 12 South (actual) rival has an easier North division game. It will effect standing some year in the South.
r, richardson - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:52 pm
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Brock, you are a simpleton. Yes, nobody is saying the OU-Nebraska rivalry is better than OU-Texas, but a team can have two rivals. OU did for decades. They had the Texas game in the first part of the season and they still had the big game on Thanksgiving weekend to look forward to. Yes the Texas game will always be the bigger of the two but it doesn't diminish what the Nebraska game always delivered, which was a great game between two great programs. The whole nation is still interested in this rivalry.
B, Houston - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:37 pm
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hahaha I like that, Beryl. Too bad NU is on its way back, and will be competitive on the national stage within the next 3 years. That's why I want this rivalry to be a yearly one once again. It's a rivalry with amazing history behind it, and it's a shame that it was ever done away with.
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Bring back OU and the seven dwarfs LOL :D The big eight conference
Beryl, Dallas - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:30 pm
OH Brock
You say you were alive in 1971- well then you must have hidden under a rock in the 90's when OU lost big.
This isn't about who needs who it is about respect for college football.
But I guess college football to you is like NFL football- just a business not a sport.
suz, chiago - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:17 pm
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Of course OU wants to play every year now that they have their program back on schedule, why didn't y'all want this back in the "90's when we were on top and the south was the little kids on the block getting sand kicked in their face while the north was putting 4 teams in the top 10 year in and year out. Don't worry we'll get back however under the present situation of having a championship game this should never happen. If the Big 12 goes to a schedule like the big 10 then ok after all they get michigan/osu every year and that is only way this could/should happen to OU/Nebraska. Here's to some Red Magic this year and to quote Barry Switzer, "Please lord don't let the better team win" GBR Nebraska.
Noel, Yuma - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:00 pm
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If the annual series resumes. Doesn't that mean either an imbalanced schedule is implemented in the Big 12 or, in the alternative, Nebraska would be sometimes considered a non-conference game? (Note: This is a question.)
r, richardson - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:00 pm
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I agree.Screw Nebraska but lets go play the game ever year at Thanksgiving time.What a great game,once again!!!!
Jerry L., Guthrie - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Shepard. I understand where you are coming from. But times move on. There are now new rivalries. Maybe even better rivalries. Accept this for what it is. Nebraska wants into the tent-i.e. out of the Big 12 North. Imbalanced schedule? Realignment? But no one presently in the Big 12 South will voluntarily trade places with a North team for realignment. And assuming I am correct, that says it all.
r, richardson - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:46 pm
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@Jeffery, since Nirvana was popular? Are you serious? OU vs. NU goes way back, way before the 90's when "nirvana" was popular. I think it would be great to bring the series back. OU/NU is a very respected rivalry with plenty of thrilling games, I hope it is a good on this Saturday.
CHRIS, OKLAHOMA CITY - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Show's how little you know, suz. I was in the stands for the "Game of the Century" in '71. I still remember the beacon red light as time ran out on the old scoreboard that sat ontop the little south endzone stands during that overcast frigid day. Hated to lose that game. I made basically every home tilt with the Huskers starting with that year. I remember Nebbish's best team ever beating the Sooners in a close game in '83 too, which was a rain soaked affair. Man, we were so close yet so far away from matching up with their talent that year.

I understand fully how Devaney/Fairbanks and Switzer/Osborne made the game full of mutual respect but that's about as far back as it goes. It was a flash of 30 years and then it was over. On the scale of things, it really hasn't been a long drawn out affair as the Texas game has been. As is still the case, nobody can top the Red River War as OU's first and foremost true rivalry game. It has stood the test of time and has yet to be topped. In fact, it's probably the best in the country bar none. I'm just being realistic and not going gaga over the days of yesteryear when two top notched teams met during what was actually a short spell of time. Yeah, it was fun, but lets face it, Nebraska is not the Bugeaters of old. They've got recruiting problems that have gone on for a long time now because of their situation and local.

I still stand by my assessment that we don't need them and they need us. We already have a true rival and that bunch is directly south of us. Fact is, year in year out, basically since the beginning of both schools athletic ventures on the gridiron, the Horns are, always have been, and always will be, our #1 rival. Even during the Huskers hayday, Switzer still refers to his wins in Dallas as being the best.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Dr. Tom with Barry in a photo op. PhD Osbourne with DUI Switzer. Coach with impeccable integrity with coach fired for misconduct leaving his school on 5 years probation. Only in Oklahoma would anybody buy the crap Barry Switzer sells. The King??????
Dave, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:59 pm
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myers, you state that Thanksgiving is for bedlam is the dumbest comment on here. The cowboys make this their bowl game of the year for obvious reasons. They will never be on Nebraska's level and it is a hyped game like the Yankees-Red Soxs. Outside of the area it is not a national rivalry like the Huskers-Sooners. Myers go get your tickets to a second rate bowl for your second rate team.
Phil, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:57 pm
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Yeah, r. I think you are missing the point though. Turning off a 70 year old series that had some great games is never a good idea. Tramel wasn't talking about this season, he was talking about every season. It may be that Nebraska doesn't have a chance (Although I believe the still do), but that isn't to say that they will never come back as a major power (Use OU's 15 year drought as an example if you will). I say we need that game every year (Preferably on Thanksgiving, aka the Turkey Bowl).
Shepard, Stonewall - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:57 pm
i'm a poke, but i remember as a kid, every year the day after thanksgiving, my whole family (we have graduates from both schools) watching the game together. but, i think that time is gone. it should have never been allowed to go away, but i don't think you can get what it was back.
mary s, oklahoma city - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Is Tramel serious? OU loses three games and now there is nostalgia and talk of bringing back a dinosaur series! Everything is in the Big 12 South. That is where the football talent is located. Cornhuskers won't even be in the game by halftime. Even in Lincoln. Just the way it is, and OU should appreciate the present condition.
r, richardson - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm
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I VOTE YES.......
Kenneth, Bartlesville - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I wish Texas could bring back the Texas - Arkansas rivalry... then we could have an annual smack down of an SEC team in the preseason. Too bad they won't play us.
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I have no problem with this. The Cornhuskers will get back, heck we need to get back a bit ourselves. Great rivalry and does need to be played yearly. Great fans on both sides and not just a few years ago another historic game. OU needs Nebraska to be good again, heck who knows they might beat us if OU doesnt show up with the A game, matter of fact they will, 3 quarters of the second half of the k-state game and OU loses. Yes bring it back, I agree, some damn classic games with historical national implications.
Terry, Norman - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Brock Beaver you are unappreciative of college football.
NU didn't need OU back in the 90's when NU was winning 3 national championship but NU honored the rivalry.
You don't seem to understand college football.
My guess is your a college kid or at least high school and are a bit naive
suz, chiago - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:15 pm
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How many rivalries are still "relevant". Bama-Tennessee? Not lately. Florida-Florida State-Miami? Not really. Army-Navy (probably the greatest pure rivalry of them all)? Nope. But, what makes a rivalry great is the history and tradition behind it. And OU-NU is second to none in history and tradition. Bring it back and Go Big Red (of the North, that is)!
PJ, Omaha - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:01 pm
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Wow, I was just sitting here watching the game of the century this morning thinking the same thing. I think that back in the day, that was the way these 2 teams measured whether or not they had a successful conference season--who would win the OU-NU rivalry. I think that from a recruiting standpoint, a recruit will look at this rivalry and want to be part of it, so it's good in that way as well.
I also think that we should do away with the north-south division split because the south division is obviously the perennial powerhouse, and it is hardly ever the top 2 teams in the conference who play for the Big 12 title....
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The only way you can have the OU/NU game every year is to do away with the north south split. Then have the top 2 teams play in the Big 12 championship. Wow, this year we would get to play texas again.
Mike, Corpus Christi - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:41 pm
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If the SEC can keep the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry going every year despite the fact that the two teams are in separate divisions, then the Big 12 should at least investigate restoring one of the greatest rivalries in college football, the OU-Nebraska game. If that is not going to happen, then forget the two divisions and play all the other eleven teams in the conference every year. (Realistically, that will never happen because the conference makes too much money from televison for the Big 12 championship game.) Then we could still schedule LSU, Notre Dame, Florida State, and other major powers for the 12 game of the season and forget the Idaho States and lesser Division 1 and II "powers." Find a way to bring back OU-Nebraska every year. Not only is it good for the fans of both universities, it's good for college football. The entire nation wants to see these two teams play one another.
Roy, Gaithersburg - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:05 pm
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Might not be a bad idea considering the way things have been going against Texas lately...
Jason, Seattle - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:40 pm
OU-NU in the CCG every year sounds fine to me.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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Talk about irrelevent - this game hasn't meant anything since Nirvanna was popular. Don't hand me mud and try to convince me its chocolate. Even if they had met every year it would have been a blowout one way or the other 85% of the time- some rivalry. Heck, with that percentage, bring back OSU/Arkansas!
Jeffrey, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:19 pm
We don't need the Huskers, they need us. Nebraska football needs a true rival and are suffering a bit because of the lack of a real nationally recognized rivalry game that stirs those high emotions. They are in a situation where they don't have a game with anyone that matches up to the hype of a big time rivalry game and it appears their never going to have one. It's kind of sad in a way. None of the Big 12 north teams will ever fit the billing for such a game. Oklahoma already has its true rival in the Longhorns from UT. It's been that way long before the OU/NU glory days of the 70's and 80's and it'll never change. They need us, we don't need them. Sorry, those days were fun but they're gone forever. Our rival has always been and will always be, Texas.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Yes, bring it back annually and put it on Thanksgiving weekend. Obviously, it will make for a tough schedule with Texas and Nebraska each year, but it had for many years and OU still was able to win several National Championships as did Nebraska and Texas. One high value out of conference game, one rival north team and one rival south team would be very exciting for the fans, but thats what I am.
john, miami - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:18 pm
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Sorry, girls...Thanksgiving weekend is reserved for Bedlam.
myers, Peir - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Hey Tram,
The great thing about the way the schedule is now, is that if the rivalry were to return to its great past, it can happen every single year...in the championship game!...But, even how it is this will be the fifth meeting in the last six years and seven out of the last ten. It has really only gone away because NU has struggled since Stoops has been at OU.
Dan, Norman - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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SoonerChris is right - if they wanted to play this game every year, they could simply make it a "non-conference" game. Of course they would need to return the game to the Friday/Saturday after Thanksgiving.
Jim, Wichita - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:09 pm
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Here Here! and lets not forget to play the game on Thanksgiving weekend as well.
Mark, Overland Park - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:07 pm
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I heartily agree with this article. There was nothing better than eating turkey and watching OU/NU on Thanksgiving Day! It was sport the way it was supposed to be played: tense, hard-hitting, exciting, but a respectful rivalry. I say, find a way to do it.
keith, jacksonville - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Berry , you've got to be the corniest person I've ever run across in my life. Your pure down home corn.

Also, your all about getting football coaches fired. You seem to want them to play a top 10 opponent every week, and then you rake them over the coals if they don't win every game.

It would not be fair to OU or Nebraska to play a more difficult schedule than the rest of the conference. If everyone did something like this, then fine. But everyone doesn't.

Lynn, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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What a retarded idea.
Mike, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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Couldn't they schedule it as an out of conference game in the years they are not on the Big XII schedule?
SoonerChris, Norman - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:01 pm
If they don't do this quick the OU-Nebraska "rivalry" will cease to exist...
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 3:55 pm

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