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Berry Tramel: Thunder is making progress, but still has a ways to go

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Published: November 4, 2009



Always good when the Lakers come through town.


Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant, center, takes a shot in overtime in front of Los Angeles’ Ron Artest, left, and Andrew Bynum during action on Tuesday at the Ford Center. The Thunder lost to the Lakers in overtime. Photo By John Clanton, The Oklahoman

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The regal purple uniforms. Phil Jackson’s musings. Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom. More celebrities than a Hollywood premier.

But LA’s marquee sports franchise offers something even better than all that glitz and glamour and excitement in the Ford Center.

The Lakers teach you something about yourself.

And here’s what the Thunder discovered at the end of an exhilarating, exhausting Tuesday night, when they lost 101-98 in overtime to the best team in basketball.

The Thunder has come a long way. The Thunder has a long way to go.

The maturity from last season’s debacle was apparent. The lack of maturity was apparent, too.

This game looked over once, twice, maybe thrice, including in the first two minutes of the game, when LA led 9-0 and seemed capable of scoring 200 points until Etan Thomas entered and started cracking Laker skulls.

"We didn’t put our heads down and let the Lakers run away with the game,” Jeff Green said, and there’s something to be said for that.

But when the Thunder had a chance to win, had a chance to make this one of the special nights in Oklahoma City’s four-year NBA history, the youngish Thunder went all squeamish on us.

The Boomers reverted back to last season, when they were either inept or scared.

The offense stagnated. No one seemed to want to shoot or move or do much of anything.

Coach Scott Brooks reminded that those guys in purple had something to do with it.

"They turned up the heat,” Brooks said. "They’re a physical team.

"We’re still understanding we have to buckle down, cut harder, set screens harder.

"I wouldn’t say we got rattled. When you play the Lakers and it’s a one-shot game, I wouldn’t say we were rattled.”

But rattled seemed to describe it.

Up 83-81 with five minutes left, the Thunder had the following possessions: Kevin Durant turnover, no-chance Russell Westbrook shot forced by the shot clock, Westbrook turnover, wild Westbrook miss off a drive, Durant turnover.

Somehow, the Thunder still clawed its way to overtime, where more stagnation awaited.

Westbrook’s lay-in, which forged a 97-97 tie, was the Thunder’s final field goal with 2:49 left.

Derek Fisher blocked a Westbrook jumper. Durant missed a wild drive. Green made one of two foul shots. Durant air-balled a 17-footer.

The final 25 seconds actually were decent: Thabo Sefalosha and Westbrook both missed tying 25-footers, about as good of shots as you’re likely to get against the Lakers in that situation.

Westbrook was mostly awful for the second straight game: six turnovers to go with seven assists and 12 points. Old pro point guard Derek Fisher did a number on Westbrook. Like his team, Westbrook is a work in progress with a bright future.

And Durant disappeared after scoring 24 points in the first 27-plus minutes. He finished with 28 points and didn’t score in the fourth quarter or overtime.

The road to superstar status is paved with blood and sweat exacted by teams like the Lakers.

Brooks said he’s not into moral victories, but "I’m proud of our guys.”

He should be. They put on quite a show Tuesday night. But these baby Boomers aren’t yet mature enough to win games like this against basketball royalty.

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Harden? Is he any good? Well the great thing about this is we can watch what these players do in Cow City USA, and then if they pan out we'll sign them as UFA. But we don't have to waste our own picks figuring all that out. That's what YOU'RE for!

LMFAO idiot hicks! Give Clay my love!
Jeff, New York - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:32 pm
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Hey how's our farm team doing? Can you hicks make sure you develop Durant right, so that when he's ready to join a real team and real city, he's ready to go. The other guys too. We love Oklahoma City because taking your players will like taking candy from a baby.

Make sure you keep buying those $270 seats you suckers!
Jeff, New York - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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Tramel, give up the stupid nicknames. You are so desperate to be known as the guy who coined a famous nickname that it has become a complete joke. Stick to sports reporting and leave the the nicknames to the fans or a reporter that can come up with one that actually works.
Rick, Dallas - Nov 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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The problem with Westbrook is his patience. He plays wild but has tremendous upside. Mo Cheeks will have to work with him.
James Harden needs to play more at the point and needs to replace Thabo, a good NBA player and a very good defender, at the end of the game. Thabo shouldn't be taking critical shots at the end of the game. Harden will eventually light up the box scores with points. He was a great pick.
Ollie has been around a long time and was effective when he was on the floor last night. He calmed the team down, the opposite of Westbrook.
Scott Brooks will probably have to tweak his offense because opponents went back and watched the films of the Thunder from about February till the end of the season. Now, teams are sitting on the Thunder's plays. This is what playoff teams encounter during the playoffs. That's why you see much better defense-or one of the reasons.
Dirk has won plenty in the playoffs except for getting jobbed by the NBA and David Stern in the finals. Speaking of getting jobbed, the ref that caught fixing games was released from prison this afternoon. He needs to run for cover.
Dirk is going to the Hall of Fame, basketball, not Cowboy.
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:39 pm
FYI everyone - Vote for the Thunder-Sacramento game to be on NBA TV. Click the link and look to the lower right-hand part of the screen. When I voted, we were winning, with 32% of the vote. The Chicago game was in 2nd with 24%.

http://www.nba.com/nbatv/index.html

Let's get more national attention for this exciting team!
Nathan, Norman - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Kevin.
Kevin who?

I'm sorry, wrong door. Where's the jacuzzi room?
Alf - Nov 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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About 10 poins and the Thunder is undefeated and just beat the champion. I think the Thunder has come a long way, and they are knocking on the door. When Westbrook stops turning the ball over, Durant starts shooting better, and Harden gets more playing time - the Thunder will win - A LOT.
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:50 pm
What is a "famer"? An Oklahoma farmer?
Alf - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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Yeah, they are just too overwhelmed by how good they can actually be. It's comments like this that keeps me coming back for more!!!
snack, Portland - Nov 4, 2009 at 3:47 pm
PLEASE, Barry--They are not the BOOMERS, and they did not look squeamish or inept or scared to me!Congrats THUNDER for giving us such an exciting game to watch. THUNDER UP!
Linda, Kingfisher - Nov 4, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Its 4 games in and everyone is freaking out. This team has a different feel than last year and some new skill guys, for example Thomas, that the team doesnt know how to use just yet. Overall reality or moral, the team is doing alot better at the start than New Orleans(1-3), Utah(1-3), and alot of other teams that are 2-2 in both conferences to start. I think they are overwhemed by how good they can actually be and not comfortable in that position. Give this team time to grow and gel. They may shock the world, but it is way to early to write anyone off just yet.
ernest, midwest city - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Dirk's a Hall of Famer until the playoffs start!
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Dirk's a hall of famer, not sure what your point is once again alf.
Slim, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 2:08 pm
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What a great trade to get Sefalosha. A late 2nd round for someone who defends, rebounds, hustles, dives for loose balls, blocks shots, and scores a decent amount.

Jeff Green may be the best player on the team, not Durant. And I continue to like Thomas, Nenad, and Hardin.

Most of all, I like to see NBA talent play in OKC. Like many sports fans in our state, I appreciate seeing a good game with good hustle. For me, a win is icing on top of the cake. Watching good teams and talent is the cake.

Paul move back to France, you whiney cry baby...

Weldon, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Take off the blinders for just a minute.

Did you see what 31 year old Dirk did in the 4th quarter last night? He put up 29 -- 7 of 8 shooting and 14-14 from the line.

Are those rose-colored lenses prescription?




Alf - Nov 4, 2009 at 12:54 pm
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LOL the haters are back out, after having been delayed a full week...
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:55 am
I was thinking they should change the win-loss accounting and instead of counting Ws and Ls, you could have L+ and W- weighted appropriately so that teams that 'almost win' a lot of games can get deserved recognition.

NEED TIRES
THINK HIBDON
Alf - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:41 am
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Jill sez "I don't think that would have happened last year at this time."....umm...the same thing that happened last year, happened last night...we lost! There are no moral victories....there is no...but we lost less than last year...we lost..period. At the end of the regular season the total of wins and losses are tallied and the winners move on....the losers (Thunder) watch the rest on TV....just like you Jill.
Philip, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:39 am
"While the bad is hard to overlook, playing the Lakers like this (with Kobe having the flu and Gashol being benched from injury) is an encouraging deal.------Encouraging? How is it encouraging?

Lemme ask this, if OU manages (doubtful) to beat OSU this year because the entire OSU team is down with the flu, is that "encouraging" as well??

The dunder got beat.

They couldn't close the deal.

They LOST.

End of story.



paul, yukon - Nov 4, 2009 at 11:12 am
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While the bad is hard to overlook, playing the Lakers like this is an encouraging deal. From what I have seen of Harden I would like him getting more minutes. He seems to create offense without the stupid forced turnovers like Westbrook makes. Ollie is a crafty dude but he's not a guy to have on the floor for extended minutes. Maybe Durant should've spent Sat. night in the practice facility and not doint the horns gear photo op.
todd, sapulpa - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:19 am
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Seriously Roger? Taking the defending world champs to overtime, and you didn't see any progress?

Wow
Slim, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:17 am
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After watching the opening night game I was very encouraged. The guys came out and played to their level, not the level of the other team. However, the game Sunday and last night shows again that little progress has been made in that they played to the level of their competition -
Roger - Nov 4, 2009 at 10:12 am
Weaver's in street clothes and Livingston is buried in the bench.
I thought we looked really good, but we need Durant to close out the game. He had 2 or 3 chances to put the nail in the coffin and came up real short.
Slim, OKC - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:36 am
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Thunder should have man-handled this crap Lakers team. Durant was scared to shoot in the 4th, maybe he's not clutch.
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:36 am
Progress.... yes, last year they would have let the Lakers go up 30 and then play catch up the rest of the game. Playing all 4 qrts and finishing the game is a big step in the right direction. Tramel, STOP with the "boomers" crap! They have a name already, THUNDER. If everyone thought boomers was a good name they would have named Rumble the bison... Boomer the bison.
Jess, Warr Acres - Nov 4, 2009 at 9:14 am
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Did Magic Johnson not play either?
Jeff, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:51 am
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The did play a great game last night. I wouldn't exactly say that the Lakers were just toying with them. The Lakers had just come off a home loss to Dallas a couple of nights earlier. This was their first road test and one that they needed to win. They came out on fire and the Thunder battled back. The Lakers were pushed to the limit. However, Kobe was not 100% (though some of the shots he made looked like 1,000%) and no Gasol. Overall a very nice effort and a helluva lot better than what we saw a year ago at this time. I was a little miffed about the final possession in regulation for the Thunder, though. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, you have the chance to run the clock down to the point where, whether you score or not, the Lakers have little chance of getting to the other end. We came out of a timeout and you knew that Durant would get the ball. But everyone just stood around at the top of the key and the best we could get was a prayer from 30 feet by Durant. Not saying it was his fault alone. But surely they could have driven the lane and at least tried to pick up a foul. Also, way too many wasted possessions when the Lakers weren't hitting on their end. I'd like to see more smarts in crunch time. They'll get there, though I think legitimate playoff talk may be one more year away.
Damon, Midwest City - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:44 am
resign = re-sign
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:28 am
Playoffs!?!?! I think the playoff talk is a bit premature, maybe in a year or two when Durant can at least put up a game winning shot and hit the rim. They're exciting to watch and I'm glad to see them maturing but they're not in the same league as the big boys yet.

Making good draft picks isn't hard, let's see if Presti can resign the studs.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:27 am
Westbrook should have been benched. His turnover propensity reminded me of last year. While he is very athletic, he does not use his head...too many wild shots, lack of passing, etc...Kevin Ollie should have finished the game. Allof this pre-season talk about how Westbrook had improved reminds me of how Kevin Wilson tried to tell is that OU's offensive line would be good this year.
Steven, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:26 am
I was somewhat encouraged until they said Kobe had flu like symptoms and his fever didn't break till that morning and no Pau Gasol.
And not to second guess but what's happened to Weaver and Livingston? Just curious.
Britton, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:18 am
We may not play in June this year, but we're quietly assembling the pieces to play in May, perhaps next year. Kevin Durant is still only 21, to Kobe's 31, and yet for most of the game he was outscoring Kobe. Etan Thomas outrebounded Andrew Bynum. Russell Westbrook has more assists and outscored Derek Fisher. Last night was a heartbreaker, but it was great entertainment, and it showed that instead of falling apart after a dismal first quarter, the Thunder became grimly determined and worked their way back to within one point by the half, and had the lead multiple times in the third quarter. Yes, this wasn't the complete Laker team, but how often during the season is a team incomplete, due to injuries, illness, whatever? Frequently. We still took an excellent team to overtime and, came close to a win. I don't think that would have happened last year at this time.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:08 am
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I am very proud of the way the Thunder played last night. They gave the Lakers a run for their money and Thabo aggravated the hell out of Kobe. The Lakers thought they would just slide in to OKC and it would be an easy win for them but they were proven wrong. Sure there were some missed opportunities but this should be a big confidence booster for the young Thunder players who are much better than last season but also know they still have some growing to do.
Kelly, Edmond - Nov 4, 2009 at 8:07 am
I guess if want to say they lost by less this year than last...that's progress.....but unfortunately, this isn't self-esteem day at your kid's elementary....you either win or you lose....and losers (Thunder) don't play in June.
Philip, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:58 am
I think Weaver had surgery on his thumb or something. Besides, he's not a point guard--more of a two guard who can play really good defense like Thabo. Barry got it right. Thabo, Jeff, and Etan busted their rear ends and gave us a chance to win the game--but you cannot in the NBA literally piss posessions away during the final six minutes of the game and expect to win against the best ten teams in the league.Russell and Kevin's decision making and execution in the last six minutes were awful, but they were doing it against Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher and Ron Artest--who I think between them have played 39 NBA seasons. I think it would help to have Harden in the game more in these situations because he can actually operate the offense in half court sets and seems to be more patient with the ball.

We're not a playoff team, but at least the effort is there and Thomas, Green and Thabo have set a tone with team defense.

But in the NBA and in college ball--it's all about how your top two options play down the stretch. Our top two options struggled down the stretch.

El Prez, Deer Creek
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no matter how you slice it this team is improving - hopefully they'll continue to improve and i think they will. this is a very new position for the thunder to be in - a decidedly good team playing the premier NBA talent in close games. once they're used to being in close games against great teams, i believe some of those shots will start falling. we're not out of the woods yet but the tress are thining out and the forrest is almost visable.
David, Sallisaw - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:55 am
lol Roger, the Thunder has only been here 1 season and 4 games. Give it time. This team was basically rebuilt from scratch starting the last season in Seattle. Sam Presti is going to turn this into one tough team. Give it time.
Jonah, Guthrie - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:39 am
There are no more "moral victories"! It is time for these guys to step up. Those of us who pay a fairly good sized chunk of change to watch are tired of "up and coming superstars" who shoot airballs, turn the ball over, and generally loose their heads when the game is on the line. We apparently have no "go to guy" when Sefalosha (sp?) is the only player who can keep us in the ballgame. And since I am on a rant, why in the world is Weaver in a suit when he would be much better than Ollie -
Roger - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:21 am
They are ready for a playoff run, Etan Thomas is a great addition. Wait until Durant's shot starts falling. They play tough defense and are very active all over the court. With the youth and mistakes fading daily they should only get better. It is definitely a fun team to cheer for, and I will continue my support.
Ole, Holdenville - Nov 4, 2009 at 7:01 am
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Maybe next year there will be a Thunder win over Lakers. I can see it happening. The Lakers were struggling more than I thought they would.
Bradley, Tulsa - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:53 am
Just like a cat toying with a half dead mouse......the cat allows the mouse to live and struggle until it decides it's time to finish it off....sorta like happened to the misfits last night....
paul, yukon - Nov 4, 2009 at 4:54 am
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I'd like to see more Ollie and less Westbrook. Barry did get it right. Etan Thomas is a real physical player. The Lakers are a physical team. Until Thomas got in there, we were getting our behinds whipped pretty bad. It was like the Thunder were being taken out to the wood shed. Once Thomas came in... I guess you could say the Thunder got more physical.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 4, 2009 at 1:43 am

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