Class-action lawsuit could shake up DHS
Class-action lawsuit could shake up DHS

By Randy Ellis
Published: February 17, 2008

The federal lawsuit filed Wednesday against state DHS officials has the potential to rock Oklahoma's foster care system — just like earlier class-action lawsuits shook up the state's prison and juvenile justice systems.

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"It's going to cost the state millions and millions of dollars to do the right thing — which is to fix the broken foster care system,” predicted Steven Novick, a prominent Tulsa civil rights attorney.

Lawyers in the lawsuit against the Department of Human Services are asking for class-action status so they can represent all children brought into DHS custody because of suspicion of abuse or neglect.

Novick isn't involved in the current lawsuit, but he knows plenty about class actions. He represented troubled Oklahoma juveniles in the 1978 Terry D. class-action lawsuit against DHS that stretched on for 20 years and resulted in numerous reforms in the way juvenile law violators are treated.

The Terry D. case was one of at least four federal class-action lawsuits that have dramatically changed the lives of thousands of Oklahomans over the last 50 years.

Others include:

•A 1961 desegregation lawsuit that lasted 30 years and resulted in court-ordered busing to achieve school integration in Oklahoma City.

•A 1972 lawsuit against Oklahoma's penal system. The lawsuit was commonly referred to as the Bobby Battle case. It went on for more than a quarter century and resulted in numerous court-ordered reforms to relieve overcrowding, improve medical care, restrict use of force and improve prison conditions.

• A 1985 lawsuit over the poor treatment of developmentally disabled residents of Hissom Memorial Center in Sand Springs. That case lasted two decades and resulted in closure of the center and placement of its residents in community-based homes.

Novick said he doesn't know much about the busing case, but each of the other cases was prompted by horrific conditions, and each cost millions and millions of dollars to litigate and institute reforms.

Novick said he has "no doubt” the newest lawsuit against DHS will follow the same pattern.

What is alleged?
It alleges children taken into state custody because of abuse and neglect often have been re-traumatized by being bounced around between overcrowded shelters and dangerous foster homes, where they have been physically and mentally abused and sometimes killed.

Novick said he believes the allegations are valid because he repeatedly saw evidence of children having been abused in foster care during the years he was litigating the Terry D. case.

"I looked at hundreds of juvenile records in the Terry D. case, and the percentage of children who had been abused and neglected in the foster care system before they got into the juvenile justice system was astounding,” he said. "In a sense, the state's foster care system is a little factory for young criminals.”

Later, many of those same kids become problems in the adult prison system, he said.

Novick was optimistic that the lawsuit against DHS will bring positive changes to the foster care system in a few years, but was less optimistic that reforms will be permanent.

Previous problems
He noted that the juvenile justice case he handled initially resulted in some significant reforms, including better rehabilitation opportunities, new community-based programs and safer institutions.

However, he said the "backsliding” began about a decade ago — right after the judge ended court-ordered supervision by ruling the system had come into substantial compliance with constitutional standards.

Looking back, Novick said he can think of only two permanent reforms he achieved — the elimination of solitary confinement and banning the practice of hog tying children in juvenile institutions.

He said the state has backslid on about everything else and conditions have gotten so bad that the U.S. Justice Department recently had to intervene at the Lloyd E. Rader Children's Center in Sand Springs to try to halt abuses.

The class-action lawsuit against the adult penal system followed a similar pattern of improvement while the system was under court supervision, followed by backsliding once the supervision ended, he said.

"That's the pattern, unfortunately,” Novick said. "We shouldn't be planning and developing social services by the process of litigation.

"That's simply not a good way to do business. Unfortunately, that's the way it's done in Oklahoma. Our prisons had to become hell holes before they would do something. The same thing with juvenile centers. ... That's just poor planning.”

Bob Ravitz, Oklahoma County public defender, said the latest lawsuit against DHS identifies many issues that need to be addressed, such as overcrowded shelters and foster parent abuse.

Ravitz said he wishes the problems could be resolved without litigation, because lawyers who win such cases are often paid millions of dollars.

That money could better be spent on the children, he said.

Marcia Robinson Lowry, executive director of Children's Rights, said her organization felt compelled to file the lawsuit because "Oklahoma really is mistreating its children at a shocking level.”

"The system has to change, and it is evident that it is not going to change without external pressure,” she said.

In the short term, some of the changes will cost more money, she said.

Workers need to be better trained; more caseworkers need to be hired to reduce caseloads to manageable levels, and payment rates to foster parents need to be raised so more and better foster homes will be available, Lowry said.

Over time, such reforms would save the state money because children who receive good foster care are much less likely to end up in juvenile institutions and adult prisons, which are extremely expensive, she said.

Oklahoma's current system is "wasting a lot of money as well as squandering the lives of children,” she said.

DHS is arguing against federal court intervention.

"Duplicating the efforts of state courts with federal court intervention seems unnecessary,” the agency said in a news release issued in response to the lawsuit.

DHS intends to study complaints in the lawsuit "to determine whether the services they desire may already be present or can be improved and whether or not the best interests of children can be accomplished without intervention of the federal court,” the news release says.

Children's Rights could have filed its lawsuit in any of Oklahoma's three federal court districts.

Tulsa was chosen, rather than Oklahoma City where DHS is headquartered.

A Children's Rights spokesman cited several reasons for the decision: DHS has major operations in Tulsa; several of the children identified as plaintiffs in the lawsuit either entered DHS custody there or passed through Tulsa foster homes and shelters, and several Tulsa law firms are assisting in the lawsuit.


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I would love to know where to turn . my grand daughter has been in the foster care of osage county for nearly 2 years i have tryed to have her placed with myself many times but i have gotten a run around over and over again. the DHS in osage county have tryed to tell me how wonderful they are about putting the childeren back with the natural parents. but have failed to notice after 2 years that her mom and dad seem to not follow basic rules such as having a home or being able to stay off drugs or go to any classes court ordered. i told the DHS 2 years ago all i was asking for was the leagal paper work to take the child to the state of delaware and they would have to pay nothing. there responce to me was well if we keep her in foster care for at least 6 months she will get to go to an oklahoma collage free when she becomes of age. like that is importaint to me. i would be able to give my grand daughter a warm and loving home. to me that seems more importaint at this time in her life she is 8 years old now. but it seems that the DHS only care about how much more money they can bleed from the state.
Katie, milford - Mar 11, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I have been employed by DHS twice. I care about people. I care enough about people; I destroyed my career standing up to corrupt administrators. I can do more from the inside than from the outside. The current trend is to promote people willing to sell their souls. They are quick to leave out the human part of human services. The official theme song should be the Pink Floyd song, Welcome my son, to the Machine. The real issue is more about upper level administrators maintaining a power base than helping people in need (agency mission). Unless you experience it, I cannot convey the extent of their lust for power & control. The current general trend in public administration is to bring individuals from the business world to make the public sector function more like the “for profit” sector. The problem here is that a business has the objective to maximize profits and minimize losses. In the business world, executives who routinely lose eighty million dollars per year are fired or their business fails. People do not receive the benefits & services without motivated qualified people in the front lines. People who run this organization know that time is on their side. The people of Oklahoma will not focus their collective attention long enough to fix a problem as large as the problems facing DHS. When personalities take precedence over the people we are here to serve, things must change. Nothing changes unless you, the people of Oklahoma decide politics as usual is not going to be good enough any more. The people who run this place are no less self serving and malicious than the Bolsheviks in the 1920's & 1930's. We need to collectively wake up or find ourselves in a re-education camp.
M, Truth - Feb 20, 2008 at 8:31 am
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Being a former foster child. Here's you first problem. Limmonny Snickets said it best." They never listen to the children" The whole system must be broke down and a rebuilt. But then, those that peilfur at the expense of Oklahomans children in need. Rather then the kickback, given so the kid gets a box of macoroni and cheese to heatup by theirself and eat alone. They become part of the family at the dinner table. But, then that is against the rules of DHS. They must be kept seperate, and the truly good families. Who tries to skrit the rules. Knows that rather or not the child goes back to thier families they are going to be moved in 6 months. Heartbreak can only be axcepted so many times before the heart, becomes irrevokably hardened. It is set up to keep a certain amount of the poor. POOR. A certain amount in Hard time to support more DHS,DOC. AFTER YEARS OF DRUG ABUSE. So we have more jobs for friends and families, earned or not. Afew times.One escapes because he/she saw a way to get out, and help someone else. PARENTS. YES DEAR SISTER! GRACIE RULES THIS DAY! MORE THEN YOU IN YOUR SMALL MIND COULD EVER COMPREHEND. YES DEAR FAMILY SHE WINS THIS ONE.
john, Bristow - Feb 19, 2008 at 7:04 pm
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i am the lizard king!
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 6:24 pm
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Like any other die-hard liberal, Janette is well intentioned but grossly misinformed. I was a Child Welfare worker 1997-98. I was an eye witness to scandal. I took a voluntary demotion to get out of Child welfare. The folks at DHS laugh at efforts like hers to “get on the same page.” They will agree to anything on the surface while continuing what they have always done. I am still with the agency & I can tell you these people are ruthless. To get promoted higher than the lowest level you have to sell your soul. I have not been promoted because I love the truth. People who run that place hate the truth because the truth exposed their treachery. Even now, they are thinking only in terms of damage control & who is expendable. If they stick to their old pattern, they will find a scapegoat & hope the problem just goes away. They are counting on the people of Oklahoma to care more about American Idol than the children of Oklahoma. It saddens me to say they are probably right. They see themselves as somehow the defining authority of the truth, when in fact, they are the exact opposite. If you think the Clintons were ruthless in the way they came after those who opposed them in the 90's, that's children's games compared to what they do to former and current employees that speak out. Whistle blower laws protect those that get court admissible evidence. This kind of evidence has a tendency to permanently vanish. Folks this is a Stalinist régime here in the heartland.
M, Truth - Feb 18, 2008 at 1:57 pm
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Regarding the federal lawsuit that was filed to reform our foster care system, I think it's both a sad but necessary time for something like this to happen. Increasingly, as the years go by, I've read with horror and shame about the abuse and neglect that children endure, from both foster and biological parents. It makes me sick to know that many of these kids have died intentionally at the hands of their very own parents. One thing is clear though -- some type of drastic change is needed to shape up a system that has failed those it was supposed to protect. But what's not being addressed so much publicly is changing the system from the start. What makes parents want to hurt their children? Is the research being done to classify this type of person? We need to figure out first how to educate and support parents so that it doesn't get to the point of abuse. Whether it's real-life education about parenting in our schools or a requirement after childbirth, intervention strategies for grandparents or extended family, or anonymous support groups for stressed out parents....something needs to be done at this level. Funds need to be gathered and used for programs aimed at improving one's quality of life so that foster care and prison sentences are not the outcomes that we focus our attention on. If the state coffers can not handle this, then private money should be solicited for such an important cause. Too many times we try to band-aid our problems. If we really want to reform a broken system, let's pool our energy, money and resources to try and reduce the NEED for foster care.
Deb, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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I'm going to try to fix this: <br>http://ctfcsu.nexo.com/ (Our main group) <br>http://stadwo.vox.com/ (Our blog and group) <br>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CTFCSU/ (Our former group, may be closed down if Yahoo does fold!) <br>http://groups.myspace.com/CTFCSU (Our group on Myspace) <br>http://www.youtube.com/group/CTFCSU (Our group on YouTube)
Janettee, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I'm not going to get into an arguing match with anyone, so don't try... Oh, Sean, I'm sorry that you are in foster care... I'm a fc survivor myself. To everyone who wants to change the system... I have created a foster care reform group, please join!!! You can join one of our many groups (we have a group on each website, since some people prefer one site over another.) Also, it is for EVERYONE-foster care workers, parents, children, former foster children, attorneys, judges, and just concerned citizens (if I missed a group there, you are welcome too!!!) to come together and talk about the problems and concerns like civilized adults (exception: obviously, children will be children!) The reasoning behind this is that there are MILLIONS of groups/websites/blogs out there about foster care, but no one yet has managed to get EVERYONE onto the same page!!! We can work more effectively if we are all in the same place! Please choose a group to join:) http://ctfcsu.nexo.com/ (Our main group) http://stadwo.vox.com/ (Our blog and group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CTFCSU/ (Our former group, may be closed down if Yahoo does fold!) http://groups.myspace.com/CTFCSU (Our group on Myspace) http://www.youtube.com/group/CTFCSU (Our group on YouTube) Sincerely, Janettee McCrary, Moderator of Changing The Foster Care System United (CTFCSU)
Janettee, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 12:11 pm
M, Truth, and Bob, MWC, I think you both are correct. They can walk into your home, with the police with them, and take your kids any time they choose. You're guilty until proven innocent. That is socialist power.
Ken, Midwest City - Feb 18, 2008 at 11:45 am
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DHS is the Oklahoma KGB. Try working for them. They are fanatical in their lust for control.They will do or say anything, I repeat anything to maintain that control.
M, Truth - Feb 18, 2008 at 11:41 am
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The solution for all this is simple and I propose the same fix all the liberals/legislature/Governor proposed to fix our education system. Raise the salaries of the workers! If that's a workable solution for the education problem then the same solution should work for the social services problem.
Bob, Midwest city - Feb 18, 2008 at 9:25 am
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This is a department that needs to be shut down. The schools, the kids, anyone with any experience with DHS knows all it takes is an accusation, true or false, to start destroying family's lives. DHS is heavy-handed and clumsy at best. How many families must be destroyed by this state agency before something is done.
Ken, Midwest City - Feb 18, 2008 at 7:52 am
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There certainly is no shortage of ignorance here. Sad. If you think I'm talking about you, I'm probably not. If you think I couldn't POSSIBLY be talking about you, then I probably am. Say G'nite Gracie.
Bryan, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 3:10 am
If they take away funding then, things will really get tight. I think it starts with the families. People need to get back to the dinner table and discuss their own problems and make rules and limits for their families the way it use to be. Parents just want to be friends with their kids, but they need a parent to tell them what bounderies are not another friend.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 18, 2008 at 2:39 am
Gene, you dont know anything sorry bud.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 12:53 am
Well Faith, the only thing I can in regard to your statement "I'll do anything to protect my children from the state", is to do the right thing toward your children, give them a good, clean, caring and loving, non abusive home and you won't have to do anything to protect your children from the State. You do these things and the "state or DHS" in this case won't be bothering you. You see DHS caseworkers don't just run out on a whime to harrass someone. There has to be a reason for them to come out and talk to you, and it usually starts with a referral to DHS of either sometype of problem that someone is concerned enough about to call DHS and make a report. Given the severity of the referral, it then sets into motion a whole new ballgame, which is played by the Courts and the Statues of Oklahoma Rules and regulations, not by DHS. You see their policy and procedures are set by the Federal Goverment, State Goverment and the District Courts of Oklahoma. It's not the most glamoures job around, but unfortunatily, someone has to do it.
Gene, Holdenville - Feb 18, 2008 at 12:35 am
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After everything is over, and the dust settles, the only ones that will truely benefit are the Tulsa attorneys and the individuals at Children's Rights. Come one people, do you think these people "really" care? If so, you are quite naive. They simply see state governments (plural) as easy $$$$$.
John, Oklahoma City - Feb 18, 2008 at 12:02 am
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Actually, Sharyn, if you go to www.ok.gov, then go to the Open Books section and look at DHS' payroll, you'll see that the director makes $162,750 per year. Not chicken feed, by any means, but not a lot for a company/agency with 8,000 employees. Oh, and Faith, I'm guessing DHS didn't check up on you because you were in TORONTO. According to Google Maps, it's 1,285 miles from OKC to there, so I'm guessing maybe you need to gripe to the good people in CANADA. I'll just take a wild shot here and say that it's a lot easier to track down an American -- veteran or not -- than it is a Canadian.
MartzMimic, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I was caught between my parents after their divorce, made to testify against my father, then placed in my equally drunk mother's home, and never checked up on again in 1989. a year later, i was homeless on the streets of toronto as a minor, with no caseworker in sight to notice. Since then, I have been able to experience the neglect of this agency through my own children who have not received child support or even an attempt to order it from a province with a reciprocal agreement for child support. even when i travelled personally to courtdates, (without custody order, my son is still at risk of kidnapping to this day) at my own expense, i could not get documentation from CSE that substantiated my claims for paternity, child support, or even custody, even though my kids have always lived with me and the father fled. He receives a disability check, and yet in 7 years, the caseworkers haven't even sent a process server or affidavit to him. they did manage to harrass a dear friend of mine, checked into an institution with post traumatic war syndrome after serving our country- and threaten to imprison him for missing payments while waiting for a diagnosis. The only priorities DHS has are to prosecute easy targets, and cover up and ignore cases which actually require a degree of effort and sticking necks out for kids. I have absolutely no faith in a system that has been repetitively negligent and at the source of every major tragedy in my family. I would do anything to protect my children from the "protection" of the state.
Faith, Norman - Feb 17, 2008 at 10:18 pm
What do I suggest? Well, castration and sterilization are my first thoughts. However, that is Natzism and I am more conservative than that...so take away the gravy train. No tax credits...no government programs...make the Dad's, Mother's and grandparents accountable or jail them. There are numerous people waiting to adopt...the operative word is ADOPT..not be foster parents. It gets them out of the system and gets them into a loving home. This is a hot button topic for me. I was the result of a one night stand and was dropped off on a doorstep. Fortunately, I was adopted by wonderful people and had a blessed childhood.
K, Edmond - Feb 17, 2008 at 8:56 pm
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So what do you suggest? You can't tell anyone they can't have kids until they are in a stable relationship. Some of these kids think a stable relationship is a month. I too am tired of all these KIDS having babies and not knowing how to take care of them and abusing them but how do you fix that? THere is not enough money on their coffers and there are good workers and bad workers...just like anywhere else. DHS needs a major overhaul. Start at the top...the Director makes something $400,000/year. Why? If there isn't enough money to safely take care of children in the states care, then he doesn't need this kind of money. Everyone always cuts from the bottom and the quick fixes always fail.
K, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 8:17 pm
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I totally admire the caseworkers at DHS for their diligence to do a good job for these children. My heart also goes out to all the children that have to be subjected to the undesireable environments. However, the real culprets in this mess are the people that keep having children. Our society has lost all sense of values and morals. Family doesn't mean anything to these people. Their mentality is to pop out baby after baby. It's a game. Tough guy gets girlfriend pregnant...leaves her high and dry, goes and makes more babies never pays a dime and the beat goes on.
K, Edmond - Feb 17, 2008 at 7:40 pm
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The truth is caseworkers should not accept getting a raw deal every day. That is terrible and that is why the turnover is so great. People should not WANT to quit their jobs with DHS. It needs to be a good place to work with people feeling their jobs count & they are a success.
Southern, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Folks, the children in foster care and the people who tend to their needs deserve more than the words posted on this site...they need those in power to take a hard look at the system and change it...all the bannering back and forth will not cure this problem..write, e-mail, call or personally see the power players in this and maybe just maybe something will be done....
JH, deep red creek - Feb 17, 2008 at 6:43 pm
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Where were we? That is the question asked by Candace and that is what I continue to say. DHS needs help but they need help by people understanding the job. On call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week including holidays. Many workers I know give up their weekends and holidays with their own families to assist foster kids and foster parents. Not all workers are bad workers or bad people. Many of them buy clothes for the kids or gifts for them with their own money, as a lot of teachers I know do. Remember that when you all point the finger. Everyone have a blessed holiday and remember the foster families, foster children and their workers. It is a very hard job and they try to do the best they can. The workers get raw deals every day, their job demands that. The ones I know expect it. Caseloads high enough for 2 workers, turnover because of that and the pay is a joke. But they keep coming back and working their butts off with not enough time or days in the week to do this job. I am proud of the ones I know. Everyone needs to get involved and assist a foster child and a foster parent. Foster parents also have a very tough job.
Cindy, Midwest City - Feb 17, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Sorry, I had to go fix a chicken noodle casserole for my kids. Where were we? It is about the children, they are getting a raw deal. They trust the adults to take good care of them in foster care, or from their own parents.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I know adults are vital in this concern. It is not just the children & it never will be. We need to address the stresses and stress relief given to biological & foster parents. It is hard to be a poverty stricken parent & something that might not bother you if you have the money to replace it, becomes a big deal if you don't. Education, economic help, higher wages for caseworkers if they do become involved with a family need to be addressed. We need to look at the whole picture & try to come up with as many workable suggestions as possible.
Southern, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 5:37 pm
OK...I dont understand why you are arguing with each other? what good is that going to do? Our foster children in the state of Oklahoma are the ones who need help. I am a foster parent myself and I know there are good foster homes out there but there are also bad ones, we need more good foster parents to help with the overcrowded shelters. If the shelters are full and the homes are full what is there to do with the children, this is part of the reason that the children get sent home to bad bio homes so quick and often come back into the foster care system. DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS OR HELP OUT, STOP FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER OVER IT, IT WILL NOT HELP OUR CHILDREN OF THE STATE! And those of you who help our children I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart, GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO!!
Heather, DEL CITY, OK 73115 - Feb 17, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Sean you are ridiculous...Take the time to hug a child. Your own or someone elses it doesnt matter.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 3:54 pm
True. I just think we all need to take responsibility. Bad things happen and all of us want to point the finger, including me. We just need to realize to use an old African saying, It takes a village to raise a child. Workers in DHS, or at least the ones I know, work their tales off. They struggle daily with court, seeing their kids and working on permanency for their kids. Folks--it takes money and the legislature is just not willing to do what it takes. They are very good at telling DHS what to do, then not providing money to do it with. It takes a lot of money to run the business of CW. More money for staff, pay raises, money for foster care payments and simply understanding that each number they refer to are children.
Cindy, Midwest City - Feb 17, 2008 at 3:24 pm
It the media, think back, who spoke at last years O.U. graduation, Katie Couric thats why the journalism building looks good.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Ok folks..slow down. It is not just DHS. It begins with communities and the way of thinking..what is important. For instance, you go to the OU school of social work bldg, look at it. I mean look at it. Then look at the law bldg, the journalism bldg etc etc etc. NO one take social work serious..it is a very serious profession; not for everyone. There are many many more good DHS workers, supervisors and county directors than bad. Just as in law enforcement..many more good cops than bad. It is the thinking of "worth" and what is truly important in life. Our kids are it. As a state, we all must take some blame in this problem. Instead of pointing fingers, use John Kennedy's thinking, what have YOU done for the states foster children lately? Volunteer, be a big brother or big sister or what?? Maybe become a foster parent?? Think about it instead of getting on here and critizing folks we do not know. Blessings will be returned to you two fold. Just for thoughts!! Have a blessed day.
Cindy, Midwest City - Feb 17, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Sean, youre probably, a child molester with 20 kids in your foster home given to you by the Judges through DHS.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 2:24 pm
how many times a month are you allowed to see them, and does someone from the court have to accompany you? or are you just making all this up?
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 1:48 pm
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so are their foster parents.
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 1:47 pm
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Who's getting worked up, now? Ask my kids, one is in engineering and he makes straight A's, one is best is the state in RC Flying competitions, and my youngest has been making the yearbook for her school for 3 years and wants to go into journalism. I'm proud of them.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Sean, I dedicate to you- Kenny Chesneys song "Thank Heaven For Kids". If it weren't for kids have you ever thought? There would'nt be No Santa Claus... Hey Look what Walmart just brought, Thank God for Kids! We don't live in a quiet house with Big Bird or Mickey Mouse, and we've got Kool-aid on the couch, Thank God for Kids then when the lights go out I pray that the kids will turn out right, Thank God for Kids!!!
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Actually, there may be another problem if you have to watch both biological & foster parents like a hawk! It really infringes on personal rights to assume you have to watch everybody every moment or their sole goal in life is to abuse a child if someone is not looking! Is there a large problem influencing child abuse such as excruciating poverty (government caused IMO) or inhumane answers to drug problem (again government caused). We may need to go back to less policing of citizens & more positive encouragement for certain decisions.
Southern, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:56 am
my foster parents tell me so.
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:51 am
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yes i am.
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:50 am
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Maps you may be on to something... don't they give free clothing gift cards from Walmart to the foster kids?
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:47 am
Sean, your not funny! These programs have real problems and the inefficient funding and the overworked caseworkers=abused children.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:42 am
its got nothing to do with me. i just think we should gas'em.
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:33 am
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It sounds like you don't like yourself, Sean. If you don't care about the kids why are you on this blog?
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:23 am
B, it's not the fault of the government as much as it is a reflection of the priorities of the corporate interests and their ability to push limited dollars in their corner using PAC money and lobbyists. Who lobbies for the children? You know who. NO ONE. THIS IS A STAIN ON OKLAHOMANS and shows how we are ALL hypocrites.
Maps4Millionaires, Cleveland - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:13 am
DHS definitely needs fixing, however, the problem is bigger than the agency. People having kids that shouldn't be having them and can't or won't take care of them and then everyone expects DHS to clean up the mess. They are understaffed and underpaid. This is the fault of our government, not the agency.
K, Edmond - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:09 am
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what?!! can you please make sense!
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:08 am
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Children's Rights would not get involved in bringing this lawsuit if the Dept of Inhuman Treatment were giving human treatment to the children at DHS.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:05 am
Candace, you seem to have an axe to grind with DHS. Your statements seems very inflamatory. I appreciate you pointing out all our faults. Now if you will call your legislator (if you are from Oklahoma), we may be able to hire the caseworkers needed. This is a system that has gone underfunded for along time. It can be fixed.
Southern, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 11:03 am
are you saying that if you are abused and in the dhs system that you are uneducated and going to prison automatically? i bet your some white trash hick huh? do us all a favor and dont venture to any of the bigger cities please. your an embarrasment to oklahoma.
sean, Oklahoma City - Feb 17, 2008 at 10:51 am
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Sean, were you one of the yard apes that got abused by the system? The reason we need more prisons is because kids are treated like there not going to grow up to be educated human beings just put in a cubby where they can go nuts and hurt other people like they were treated by the DHS.
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 10:46 am
I hope this lawsuit brings about numerous changes in the current Oklahoma DHS. Everyday you read about someones child being killed in the system. Its an abomination!
Candace, Lakeland - Feb 17, 2008 at 9:25 am