BY MICHAEL KIMBALL firstname.lastname@example.org • Modified: November 27, 2012 at 10:18 am • Published: November 27, 2012 Reporter Michael Kimball tweeted from the Oklahoma City Council meeting Tuesday morning. Read about discussions and agenda items below. @OKC_Beat 8:36 a.m. Well it's time for another #OKC Council meeting. Fairly light agenda this morning. @OKC_Beat 8:37 a.m. As always, we get started with a prayer and the pledge and some smaller items. @OKC_Beat 8:41 a.m. One item of interest later in the meeting is a formal, slight expansion of the Core to Shore planning area. @OKC_Beat 8:42 a.m. That expansion would then include the MAPS 3 convention center site. Among other things, this move could make it subject of eminent domain. @OKC_Beat 8:42 a.m. That's obviously always been a possibility for anything the city has to have for big civic projects. @OKC_Beat 8:43 a.m. A few properties in the footprint of the MAPS 3 park will end up in litigation, for example. @OKC_Beat 8:48 a.m. We're already on the items for individual consideration. Moved quickly through the early parts of the meeting. @OKC_Beat 8:48 a.m. Full house on the horseshoe today as well, by the way. @OKC_Beat 8:50 a.m. The Core to Shore expansion area just passed quickly too. I thought there was some potential for debate there, but not today. @OKC_Beat 8:51 a.m. Ed Shadid clarified that the expansion area is actually bigger than just the convention center site, but no significant debate. @OKC_Beat 8:53 a.m. One thing in early part of agenda, consultant picked for @okcciviccenter use study. Story: okne.ws/Thv1dh @OKC_Beat 8:55 a.m. I will admit to @okcciviccenter bias because I got married there and @okcpets bias because my dog came from there. Hope everyone's OK w/ it. @OKC_Beat 8:58 a.m. No one wants to see a wedding pic but here's the dog: pic.twitter.com/awrzNrAm @OKC_Beat 9:05 a.m. Well we're through the zoning cases and everything. On to items from council. Everybody passed but one minor McAtee shoutout. @OKC_Beat 9:06 a.m. Right now is a quarterly report from @VisitOKC's Mike Carrier. @OKC_Beat 9:09 a.m. In short, Carrier says we've got healthy hotel/motel numbers in the metro. City hotel/motel tax receipts have topped estimates so far. @OKC_Beat 9:10 a.m. Pat Ryan is bringing up the @Maps3 convention center as part of this. Wide-ranging comments. @OKC_Beat 9:11 a.m. Ryan is advocating a look at using the consultants to fully explore space needed for CC. @OKC_Beat 9:12 a.m. There was also some money stripped from the CC budget a while ago when a site was chosen that didn't have challenges assoc. with other sites @OKC_Beat 9:12 a.m. Ryan is saying the city should at least look at putting that money back in the CC budget if city truly needs bigger one. @OKC_Beat 9:13 a.m. Carrier: Ultimately, there are cities OKC will never compete with on conventions. @OKC_Beat 9:14 a.m. Carrier: What we're trying to be is best OKC we can be. @OKC_Beat 9:15 a.m. He mentions Denver as one bigger city OKC does compete with. @OKC_Beat 9:16 a.m. Carrier saying using consultants to figure out exactly how to use existing space is as important as having more space. @OKC_Beat 9:16 a.m. But he also says "We need to build as much as we can afford to build." @OKC_Beat 9:18 a.m. Carrier is saying OKC has to be best-positioned to compete with the Salt Lakes and ABQs and Fort Worths of the world. @OKC_Beat 9:18 a.m. Being able to host two big meetings at one time is important. @OKC_Beat 9:20 a.m. Carrier: OKC can't provide big HQ hotel that some meetings need. They want one convention/hotel contract. @OKC_Beat 9:26 a.m. Shadid and Carrier are sniping just a tiny bit over the CC hotel. Shadid has been raising the hotel issue for his whole term. @OKC_Beat 9:27 a.m. It's definitely a big issue. The need for a big hotel is expressed over and over, but there's no money set aside for it as of now. @OKC_Beat 9:28 a.m. Shadid is pointing out Nashville is paying a lot more than $50M for its CC hotel. $50M has been number bandied about for OKC's. @OKC_Beat 9:29 a.m. Carrier does say that he doesn't know why the $50M number is the one that's used for OKC. He says he doesn't know what ultimate deal will be @OKC_Beat 9:29 a.m. He says it all hinges on what the CC will be. When we know what it is, we'll know what hotel is needed. @OKC_Beat 9:30 a.m. Shadid also points out the CC budget doesn't have parking. So $250M for CC, but still need parking available and hotel. @OKC_Beat 9:31 a.m. Jim Couch and Meg Salyer interject that COTPA has set aside bond capacity for CC-related parking and. @OKC_Beat 9:33 a.m. Couch also reiterating points that there is no one-size-fits-every-plan convention center. Can be everything from building to flights. @OKC_Beat 9:43 a.m. Gary Marrs speaks up now to say that there was never any "subterfuge" about a CC hotel or anything else. @OKC_Beat 9:43 a.m. He says he remembers drawings from the very beginning that said there would be a hotel. @OKC_Beat 9:44 a.m. It wasn't mentioned in MAPS 3 campaign only because that part of project wasn't a MAPS 3 project, he says. @OKC_Beat 9:44 a.m. Marrs: "We certainly didn't try to hide anything." @OKC_Beat 9:47 a.m. Well that discussion is done for now. Next, a presentation on Downtown in December. Now THAT is shifting gears. @OKC_Beat 9:50 a.m. Instead of tweeting the DinD stuff, I'll just give you the link: downtownindecember.com @OKC_Beat 10:06 a.m. Wrapping up the meeting, Jim Couch gives a shoutout to @stevelackmeyer's story and says people should read it: okne.ws/10LnF7Q @OKC_Beat 10:07 a.m. That's it for today folks. Thanks for joining.