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Oklahoma City Council to vote on MAPS ballot
Specific plans for $777M proposal won’t be included because of a change in state law

BY JOHN ESTUS    Comments Comment on this article32
Published: September 29, 2009

Oklahoma City Council members are expected to approve a MAPS 3 ballot today that is unlike previous MAPS ballots because it doesn’t identify specific projects.

Projects to be funded by proposed MAPS 3 sales tax revenue are only identified as city "capital improvements” in the ballot. Specifics of the $777 million MAPS 3 proposal aren’t listed on the ballot.

The description differs from what voters saw on the original MAPS ballot in 1993, which listed each individual project that was to be funded.

A resolution of intent council members are also expected to approve today states that funds from the proposed penny sales tax extension would be used only for projects in the MAPS 3 proposal.

The MAPS For Kids ballot in 2001 didn’t list individual projects, but specified that money raised from the penny sales tax was only for "public school or public school facilities expenditures.”

One reason the proposed MAPS 3 ballot lacks specifics is a change in state law that requires a separate vote for each project listed on a ballot.

That means if each individual MAPS 3 project were listed on the ballot, voters would vote for each project rather than all projects at once.

As they did with MAPS and MAPS For Kids, city leaders decided to make the MAPS 3 ballot an all-or-nothing question; voters will not vote on individual projects.

Mayor Mick Cornett, who has spearheaded the MAPS 3 initiative, said an all-or-nothing approach for MAPS 3 was chosen because it has worked with voters in the past.

"This is the process they are going to be comfortable with,” Cornett said.

Projects in the MAPS 3 proposal include a large downtown park, new convention center, a downtown streetcar and commuter rail system, Oklahoma River improvements, fairgrounds improvements, sidewalks and senior wellness centers.

Cornett said he doesn’t think the catch-all category of city "capital improvements” is too vague for voters.

"I think the expectation is they’re voting on them all at once,” Cornett said.

The mayor noted that each improvement project wasn’t listed on the MAPS For Kids ballot.

The MAPS 3 ballot asks for a vote for or against extending the penny sales tax that expires next April for another seven years and nine months in order to pay for city "capital improvements.”

In addition, the MAPS 3 ballot calls for the creation of an advisory board similar to the boards that oversaw the implementation of previous MAPS initiatives. The MAPS 3 advisory board would be guided by the resolution of intent when making recommendations on MAPS 3 projects to the city council.

Resolutions of intent are nonbinding.

They can be overturned by a city council vote. Council members voted 7-1 last week to have a final vote today on the ordinances needed to set a Dec. 8 election for MAPS 3.

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Given the current composition of the Fair Board, MAPS 3 may endanger historic State Fair Speedway (SFS).

1. SFS is a historic and valuable amenity that would cost $60 to $100 milion to replace.

2. One of the problems with MAPS 3 is the “coyness” of Fair Board officials about SFS. It’s not shown on the artwork promoting the fair park revisions. Thus, the “master plan” for Fair Park is unreasonably vague. SFS may be gravely endangered by MAPS 3 and the officials in charge apparently lack the candor to be truthful about it.

3. It is unrealistic to presume that any private entity can or would build a motorsports facility as good or better than SFS. Any replacement would likely be an inconveniently-located, cheaply-built “erector-set” facility.

4. Considering that SFS is “paid for,” it’s wholly unreasonable to penalize Central Oklahoma’s racing fans and racers with the cost of a new facility (the money would have to come from somewhere, and the costs of a new facility would be passed along).
Lane - Oct 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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Why does Paul hate Oklahoma so much?
REMO, OKC - Oct 1, 2009 at 4:19 pm
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True, it is only a penny (on every dollar you spend), Seattle Sucks, but the same can be said for any tax. Before you know it all of those taxes start adding up don't they? OKC's sales tax rate is 8.375% then you add on State income tax, Federal income tax, and all of the other taxes and taxes by other names (fees, etc.,). After the Ford/NBA tax passed the Oklahoman opined about how close we were to the 10% tax mark (even though the paper was strongly in favor of the Ford/NBA tax increase). Wouldn't you love to be able to take home what you actually earn on your paycheck instead of the "take home pay"? God only asks for 10% of our income. IMO, all government taxes combined, shouldn't exceed that 10%.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 30, 2009 at 9:15 pm
It's only a penny.
Seattle Sucks, Oklahoma City - Sep 30, 2009 at 10:08 am
hi Rob,

Have a couple of thoughts for you (hopefully you have links)

(clarification) The $3 billion was public AND private (not private alone) but still an impressive number.

You low-balled the amount Devon is spending (actually $750M) but am curious where you got the "$225 million in downtown improvements" number from? What I had read put it at $115M (again, not something to be sneezed at).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 30, 2009 at 12:54 am
"this is going to the City Council, not the voters of OKC" -- Gary T

What? The Ballot and Ordinance are indeed going to the voters (exactly as written). That's what this most recent vote of the Council was for, to set the election date (they had previously approved the Ballot and Ordinance itself). Don't think they are allowed by law to make any changes to them now (they would have to vote to scrap it completely and replace it with a new one at this point).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 30, 2009 at 12:15 am
Hope Maps 3 passes. I may be wrong but areas with a high quality of life seem to have higher paying jobs, more entertainment options and more people willing to invest in economic activity.
Eddie, Fort Smith - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Gosh, and just look at what corporate welfare has given back! Profits being sent out of state for reinvestment, low paying jobs for unskilled workers, a city that is falling apart outside of the so-called entertainment district, further division between the wealthy and the poor, a tourist area that average residents can't afford, one fourth of families drawing public assistance, 85% of city kids qualifying as poor, closure of city pools in low income areas, and the list goes on! I'm mighty impressed!
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I don't think Paul is interested in facts, Teddy. Notice how he ignored the impact of Devon's decision to stay in OKC and invest $400 million in our city because of MAPS and designate $225 million of their propeety taxes to downtown redevelopment. He has no response to that! Let me describe downtown OKC before MAPS, in 1992 before the bombing: One downtown hotel, the Sheraton, which was on the verge of financial collaspe. (Now we have at least 8 downtown hotels and more planned.) Broadway from 13th St. to downtown was a wasteland. (Now we have the expanding Automobile Alley). There was one, maybe two restaurants in Bricktown; Spaghetti Warehouse was one of them. (Now Bricktown has been described by a national travel writer as the "Dining Capital of the Midwest".) The only downtown housing was a 30 years-old high-rise. (Now we have an abundance of architecturely significant condos.) The N. Canadian River was devoid of water. It was actually mowed by the Parks Department. (Now we are an Olympic Aquatic training site.) I could go on, but the impact of MAPS cannot be underestimated.
Rob, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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Paul-
I've worked in development and philanthropy in this city for 6 years, if you want real stats on the results from MAPS call us:

http://www.okcchamber.com/page.asp?atomid=219
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 12:01 pm
When evaluating Maslow's hierarchy of needs, perhaps one should also consider how much this tax would tax your ability to satisfy other needs. If a person made $50,000 a year and spent every single penny of it on items taxable by sales tax, it would cost him/her $42 a month. I realize that's a ridiculous scenario, but perhaps that gives some perspective. That person probably still has enough money left over to satisfy other more important
needs.

Perhaps it shouldn't all be about "me". Perhaps we should also look for how we, as citizens of a city, can contribute to the common good. Personally, I'm very happy with what my penny sales taxes have purchased for my city and my fellow citizens over the last decade + and I would be very happy to continue contributing to improve my city and improve quality of life for fellow residents of my city, as well as visitors.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Sep 29, 2009 at 11:59 am
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Necessary, like in Maslow's hierarchy of needs? I won't even ask how dumb do you think we are...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 11:30 am
So let me get this straight Paul, we are just supposed to sit still and do nothing and let our city deteriorate instead of trying to improve it? All of the things you listed could be helped by these projects. Higher paying jobs at the new convention center, better quality of life due to wellness centers, the park and more accessible jogging paths, more events happening at the river due to the improvements. People will see rowing and kayaking and want to start it. A new downtown streetcar that will someday connect to a light rail line, making our city more pedestrian friendly and people walking and exercising more. Thanks Paul, you have just made the point why MAPS 3 is necessary.
Gary T., Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 11:01 am
Again Kevin, this is going to the City Council, not the voters of OKC. Also, "One reason the proposed MAPS 3 ballot lacks specifics is a change in state law that requires a separate vote for each project listed on a ballot. That means if each individual MAPS 3 project were listed on the ballot, voters would vote for each project rather than all projects at once." They want the MAPS 3 ballot to be all inclusive. If it was listed, people would have to vote on it individually and certain projects would not get passed. This is the best way for all the projects to get passed.
Gary T., Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 10:52 am
A $777 million blank check? Yikes. If they wanted to have my vote, they could have pledged the money to a public trust which would be given the particularized mission of building each of these projects. As it stands, the money could be used for absolutely anything.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 10:28 am
"The projests are too numerous to mention individually, but just think about all the new hotels, restaurants, etc."---Care to take a stab at just how many of those restaurant/retail and hotel jobs brought about ONE JOB that equaled the pay of GM, or Dayton leaving?

You wonder why okielands median wage is so far below the rest of the country?

You wonder why so many okies are on public assistance?

You wonder why so many okies are "underemployed"??

You wonder why so many okies are making the payday loan stores rich?

"My" reasoning is pitiful?

If all these places are bringing in such major truckloads of cash, tax revenue, etc, why can't the city maintain what it already has? Why can't the city give raises to the firemen? Why can't the city fix the jail?

Why did the city worry about paying for vehicle fuel last year when costs started going up if there was such major tax revenue coming into the city coffers?

Why are all state departments facing a 5-10% reduction in operating costs for the remainder of the fiscal year IF such unlimited tax revenues are pouring in?

Quit believing the BS you're being fed, Rob, because as "peachy" as okieland makes it sound, the truth of the matter is far different....

paul, yukon - Sep 29, 2009 at 10:21 am
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Paul, your reasoning is so far off it's absolutely pitiful. The original MAPS spurred $3 billion in PRIVATE investment in our city. The projests are too numerous to mention individually, but just think about all the new hotels, restaurants, etc. And as far as corporate development, there is no doubt that Devon's new headquarters would be in Houston instead of OKC. The Devon area'a tax increment financing alone will generate over $225 miilion in downtown improvements, including the renoavtion of the Myraid Gardens.
Rob, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:53 am
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Paul, this is the sixth time I have asked you this directly: where is your utopia?
Gary T., Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:43 am
"A rising tide lifts all boats..." What if the 'boat' has a hole in its hull and is in an economically stressed neighborhood? Wasn't funding for swimming pools in many parks cut this year because there wasn't enough money to maintain them? "...we should be thankful for what they do..." So...they rob us of our money, and then we should be grateful they can apply it where THEY wish while taking a healthy tax deduction?

Kevin, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:38 am
Hey Teddy, let us not forget that big outlet mall that was reported as being "on schedule" last week here and yet they haven't even broken ground like they were supposed to LAST YEAR....
paul, yukon - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:35 am
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"The MAPS project has attract businesses (and in turn jobs)"---How about you name "some" of these companies/jobs that have set footing in okaysee because of MAPS, hmmmm?

Don't even start prattling about Clay/The Dunder, because he brought far less jobs than he's getting tax credit for, and for that matter, far fewer than he promised the legislature he'd bring.

Dell? They've done gone and moved most of the jobs to Texas?

Triple A?--They've scaled back from 1200 or so promised jobs to around 400 or so, but I'll bet they still get the tax breaks as if they bring those original 1200 jobs.

C'Mon, Teddy, prove me wrong.


paul, yukon - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:34 am
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The MAPS project has attract businesses (and in turn jobs) which create more tax revenue for the city and state. You can deduct your estimated sales tax from your income tax filings so, and I'm ball parking it, but MAPS sales tax is actually about 1/3 of a cent to the citizens. Now, all cities in the Metro area should also cough up some sales tax because I live further than those who live in the village from Bricktown yet I am helping to pay for it and they are not.

Not to mention the construction jobs that are created by these projects. MAPS is a win no matter how you look at it...unless you want an ugly, boring city that doesn't attract new business, coorporations or tourism dollars. In that case, move to Mississippi, you'll fit right in.

In addition, "Aubry and the Boys" contribute millions of dollars each year to fund philanthropy projects and we should be thankful for what they do. But if saving yourself 1/3 of a cent sales tax is really that important to you, then vote no, that is why we live in a democracy.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:15 am
c, you can vote "no" for MAPS and it will do nothing to "fully fund our city services". They are completely unrelated. Everyone voting on this issue should ask themselves whether the MAPS improvements will benefit them and the city. A rising tide lifts all boats. Does anyone remember what OKC was like before the original MAPS? I was ashamed to have visitors from other cities. Now, downtown is a source of pride, and this MAPS proposal will only improve things. Think about all the jobs that will be created by these improvements. Think about improved mass transit. How about a city park in which we can have events and festivals for everyone to enjoy. Perhaps an events center, restaurant and museum will be created within Union Station, rather than leaving it as the centerpiece of nothing.....sitting there basically unused in the midst of urban blight. If you're going to vote, you owe it to yourself and the city to drive the Core to Shore area and picture the improvements suggested. If you don't, you're voting in ignorance. Drive down Reno and turn west on Walker and drive to the river. Go east on 7th street and look at Union Station and imagine the whole area revitalized. Think about how that could impact our city and our citizens. Then vote as an educated person.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Sep 29, 2009 at 9:00 am
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Larry - thanks for pointing out the incorrect links we had inside this article. The links are now pointing the correct locations. We indeed did have our wires crossed this morning. - Alan Herzberger, Digital Managing Editor
Alan, Edmond - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:53 am
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The City is talking furloughs in our police and fire departments. We hear them cry constantly how there's just no money. Yet we have a professional basketball team and a freakin' splash park downtown! It's time the Council and the Chamber of Commerce start looking after the basic needs of the taxpayers before diving into projects that will ultimately only line their pockets. Don't believe it? Check out the homes ALL of the people sucking on the MAPS teat live in. THEY are the ones who will profit, not you. Fully fund our city services. Do the BASIC job you were elected/hired to do. Stop turning a blind eye to the rest of the City...there's far more than just that 2 mile square that you have to answer for. Vote NO for MAPS3
c, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:49 am
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Paul, if you feel like that, why are you still here? Why don't you move?
Gary T., Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:40 am
Who cares if it is vague right now? It is for the City Council. It is not like is it December 8th right now and they are not being vague to the voters of OKC. Larry, looks like they fixed the problem links. It will be interesting to see what our downtown will look like in ten years if this passes. Think about what DT/BT would look like now if the original MAPS never passed.
Gary T., Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:39 am
Just to add, this place will NEVER be world class, especially with the dismal infrastructure of the state and it's inhabitants, along with the pathetic quality of life rankings that okieland is so well known for..
paul, yukon - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:38 am
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"I'm glad they are being intentionally vague on the ballot regarding exactly what will be funded."----And the dumb hillbilly okies will vote for it, hoping to get a couple table scraps, all in the name of trying to make this place "not a dusty cowtown" anymore.

It doesn't matter that (more than likely) half of the amount will amount to pork and lining the pockets of the already rich, as long as the powers that be spew their drivel about how okaysee will become something approaching "world class", the yokels will slurp it up....

paul, yukon - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:36 am
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I'm glad they are being intentionally vague on the ballot regarding exactly what will be funded. That way, there's more room for pork for Aubrey and the boys. I don't think they've made as much off the last MAPS project as they planned, and that just breaks my heart.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 8:25 am
Ooooops....Someone got their wires crossed...

In the Related Content sidebar the

1) “Read the sample MAPS for Kids ballot” is actually the original MAPS ballot

2) “Read the MAPS for Kids project list” is actually the MAPS 3 project list and the

3) “Read the MAPS for Kids resolution” is the Council Intent Resolution for MAPS 3 (as the article points out, it is non-binding)
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 1:59 am
Mayor Mick - That state law is now there FOR A REASON.
David, Oklahoma City - Sep 29, 2009 at 1:23 am

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