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Deportations may save Oklahoma $4M
State law will shift cost of housing illegal immigrant inmates to federal government

JULIE BISBEE, Capitol Bureau    Comments Comment on this article85
Published: June 14, 2009

Oklahoma will begin deporting illegal immigrants who are serving sentences for nonviolent crimes when a new law takes effect July 1.

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The Oklahoma Criminal Illegal Alien Rapid Repatriation Act is expected to save Oklahoma taxpayers at least $4 million in the first year, said Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, the author of the measure.

The bill passed the House unanimously and received just one no vote in the Senate.

Terrill, who has authored several bills concerning illegal immigration, said the legislation is an attempt to get the federal government to pick up the tab for housing people who are in the country illegally.

"The federal government has fallen down on protecting the nation’s borders,” Terrill said.

"The federal government has improperly shifted the cost to the states. This is a way to shift it back to them,” he said.

The law will allow an offender who is in the country illegally to be considered for deportation if they have been convicted of a nonviolent crime and have served a third of their sentence.

Federal officials must issue an order for deportation, and an offender cannot be deported if they have pending federal charges, said Carl Rusnok, director of communications for the central region of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

If an undocumented immigrant returns to the state, they can be sent back to prison to serve the remaining sentence and additional time if prosecuted for entering the United States illegally after being deported, Rusnok said.

The law prohibits private prisons from contracting to house federal detainees, such as prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, and requires private prisons to get Corrections Department approval for new construction plans.

The law also limits the types of offenders that private prisons may house in Oklahoma.

The Board of Corrections can fine or close private prisons that do not adhere to the provisions.

Oklahoma’s prison population includes 511 inmates who are in the country illegally and serving prison sentences. Of those, 230 inmates already have served a third of their sentence and would be eligible for the program this year, according to figures from the Corrections Department.

The state pays $19,798 to house an offender for a year. Corrections officials already have been in contact with federal immigration officials to discuss a plan to transfer inmates, said Jerry Massie, agency spokesman.

After a few policy changes are made to reflect the language of the new law, offenders could be turned over to federal custody as soon as next month, Massie said.

Transferring offenders would not happen until final deportation orders are issued and could be done on a staggered basis, Rusnok said.

"It’s not like they will go immediately into” federal custody, Rusnok said. "We will work closely with Oklahoma agencies to make sure these people are properly identified and that not everybody comes to us at once when the program becomes effective.”

New York and Arizona have saved money by sending illegal immigrants back to their home countries.

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If you want to stop illegal imigration, quit throwing illegals in jail and start putting the employers in jail.
Johnny - Jun 15, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Hasta la vista illegals and DON'T COME BACK!!!!
Louis Friend, Norman - Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 am
Jasper, one other comment re race and immigration--then and now: Race ALWAYS has been a controversial factor in immigration, but our concepts of race have changed. For example, the Irish, Italians, and eastern Europeans were not considered "white" (due to their Catholicism and adherence to quasi-tribal clan systems). The Boston Brahman and other northeastern blue bloods were deeply hostile to the waves of such folks coming to America back in the 19th Century, and endeavored to regulate accordingly. But . . . the bigots failed and the immigrants came, anyway. And good for our country! I can't even imagine Boston, New York, Chicago, etc. without the energy, vitality, culture, and economic dynamism those groups brought. Who knows what America will look like in the 22nd Century, but I imagine it will be as different from today as the 19th Century was from the 18th.
Stephen, Ada - Jun 15, 2009 at 6:30 am
"Interesting how people from Europe were never required to have papers and bureaucratic qualifications when coming to the US. Race is clearly a motivating factor here and we all know it!
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:50 pm"

Different era, different laws, different requirements, different needs. Actually, each immigrant who came through Ellis Island was medically inspected and asked a series of questions to determine their education level, work skills, criminal background, etc. And yes, most immigrants who came through Ellis Island did have their "papers" in hand. But the bottom line is that the immigrants back then came here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens currently in the United States either came here illegally, or they came here legally and then stayed past the expiration date on their visas. Americans have no control over who comes here illegally. Most illegal aliens are Hispanic, but that's a negative situation that they created for themselves. Don't blame Americans for that.
jasper - Jun 15, 2009 at 2:27 am
"I never thought I would see the day when a non-Southern state like OK would seek to purge people based on their race and origin.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:40 pm"

Actually it's because of the fact that they're in the United States ILLEGALLY. But why let the truth get in your way.
jasper - Jun 15, 2009 at 2:00 am
"Kind of like how your people drained the earnings and lives from the Native Americans that were here and full-blooded before your people came and raped and impregnated them quarter breeds? The tribes south of the border who speak Spanish were here long before the white man came and drew the lines of North America and created these fraudulent borders in the first place. Now, go put on your pointed white hat and light a cross in somebody's yard who happens to have darker skin than yours.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:30 am"

The Spaniards came to North America about 100 years before the first white Europeans arrived here. How odd that you didn't mention that fact. And yes, the Spaniards did indeed rape and impregnate many of the Native Americans. By the way, the majority of Mexicans alive today are descended from those raping and impregnating Spaniards. From your comments, it is clear that you're a racist who hates white people. How sad for you.
jasper - Jun 15, 2009 at 1:49 am
"Oklahoma politics are a mirror image of those in Nazi Germany and Fascismo Italia.
Rob, Norman Jun 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm"

Yours is one of the most ignorant and moronic comments that I've ever read on the Internet. You are clearly delusional.
jasper - Jun 15, 2009 at 1:35 am
"Oklahoma politics are a mirror image of those in Nazi Germany and Fascismo Italia.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm"
Overstate things much? Why do you hate white people and Protestants so much? YOU are the racist!
FOU, OKC - Jun 15, 2009 at 12:19 am
understood captain obvious. i just assumed that you were being sarcastic, which is something you see an awful lot on here.
matt, okc - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:28 pm
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Oklahoma immigration law is a joke, the mushroom farm, box factory and chicken farms in Miami Oklahoma all ran by the same company employee hundreds of illegal aliens and have for years and no one does anything about them. The population of Miami and Commerce Oklahoma are over 50% illegal aliens and no immigration authorities do anything. They have been raided but they are warned every time. Everyone in those two towns knows about it and all are afraid to speak up. The owners of those companies will never be prosecuted because they are protected.
J - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:09 pm
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It is simple. If they are here illegally, They should be sent home, period. What is it with Democrats not caring if anyone follows the laws of the country?
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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My opinion is more of the illegals are willing to make a quick buck just to provide for their families and that is including the crap jobs. I do not see many Americans picking straberries or cotton in the hot heat as much as the illegals are. Most Americans have much more pleasant jobs needless to say we do pay our taxes and if they plan to be here because if I recall this IS the land of opportinity and dreams and why are we being selfish with it. Most Americans when they hear illegal immigrants immediately think Hispanics... If they are here then we should find a way for them to be taxed as well with or with out papers. You are not in a position to live in a country where these immigrants come from just to find a way to come to America of land of opportinity. What are we all afraid of? Losing jobs?? If I can recall the stimulus bill is really not working like it should be and illegal Hispanics or Asians are not likely to take a job from an American, but like I said think bout it ... Would you want to be in the very hot weather picking cotton or strawberries or any manual labor for minimum wage?? Put yourelf in a position as if you were trying to make a living peacefully in the U.S. and as the economy runs down Americans are eventually struggling to find a job. Its not much the Immigrants anymore... more like the stimulus and the economy... JUST THINK..
Samantha, clinton - Jun 14, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Dick, you are an Okie Democrat and Blue Dog. True liberal Democrats from the northeast and west coast want amnesty and naturalization. Latinos are a strong liberal voting block in America, and they would be a miracle to assure the re-election of Obama and DNC candidates from now to future generations. Only conservatives and Protestant fundies fear amnesty, because they know their racist monopoly over American politics would officially come to a brutal end.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 8:16 pm
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Rob, Norman, the Black Community or People of Color do vote mostly Democrat. But they do not want to support the illegals. Now, that is a fact, just start asking some of the People of Color, as you put it..... The illegal problem is not a Democrat or Republican issue. It belongs to both parties. BTW, I am a Democrat, and I don't want them here either.
UnSub, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 7:29 pm
"Republican Deportations may save OK $4Million" sounds about as bad as the National Socialists Nazis and their propaganda of targeting immigrants and minorities by claiming they are draining the Germanic people and race. Oklahoma politics are a mirror image of those in Nazi Germany and Fascismo Italia.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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Republicans fear the coming amnesty bill more than anything else. They know their precious Protestant GOP will be officially dead once these undocumented citizens become legal and become a loyal Democratic voting block. Hopefully Obama and the DNC will take advantage of this with Sotomayor and pass an amnesty bill, which would be bigger for progressive Dems in this country than the Civil Rights Act passed by Lyndon Johnson to assure the most loyal Democratic voting block today: the Black Community. Minority voters will be key to progressive politics in America, wnd white Protestant Americans will just have to live with it. The numbers don't lie...the overwhelming majority of People of Color faithfully support the Left.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 6:11 pm
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Wow, Randy, are you ever the mental giant. Your legislation, agreed to unanimously by the Senate and all but one Senator, guarantees that Oklahoma taxpayers are compelled to subsidize $20k a year for each inmate UNTIL one third of their sentence is served. How did we get hooked into this scheme of yours? If they are as bad as you claim, and I have no reason to doubt you, if they don't belong here from the git go, and if we are so eager to give them fare out of (town, state, country) why are we giving them free room and board for 1/3 of their time in Oklahoma? How many years is that, Randy? Times 281! Do you realize that's half the pay you draw from the State every year yourself? How many of these non-violent offenders stole a chicken or a watermelon or a shirt off a laundry line, spit on the sidewalk, jaywalked or cheated on the cable company that's now costing Oklahoma taxpayers $20k a year?

Another thing, Randy, just exactly how much effect do you think a book keeping entry will have on this whole immigration problem? Do you really believe that moving a mark from a column heading "state per diem" to a column marked "federal per diem" is more powerful than border patrols, federal marshals, federal legislation from the Congress of the U.S., border fences of concrete and steel in south Texas in stopping people from entering Oklahoma? And if you do, why wait until they've been eating at our trough, uninvited and unwanted, for one third of their Oklahoma jail time? Your legislation guarantees it. See if you can find an elementary school librarian in Moore who can help you write a law that doesn't end up biting us. Hey, sounds like there might be one Senator available if you ask real nice.
Percy F., Ardmore - Jun 14, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I think no one should be given the right of citizenship because of birthright! If you want to be part of my country you need to serve it! The weight of freedom is carried by too few, and it is a burden that everyone should carry at some point in their lives if you truly want citizenship!
Mr. Smith, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Rusnok is a prime example of the federal government's policy of the 'sit on your hands and think but do nothing' stance. I realize he is simply an employee who needs a job but he most certainly reflects the politically correct mentality that is pervasive in D.C. and has been for many years.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm
matt, i'm simply saying that i'd be for spending tax dollars to send them back. i'm for spending tax dollars to defend our borders. i'm not for spending tax dollars on their health care or their stays in our jails. stupid is as stupid does, boy. next time, i'll bring you flash cards.
Captain Obvious, Valid Points - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:29 pm
"Interesting how people from Europe were never required to have papers and bureaucratic qualifications when coming to the US. Race is clearly a motivating factor here and we all know it!
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:50 pm" - If you are speaking of the Immigration act of 1924, that law was rendered a dead letter by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. That latter act has literally changed the ethnic makeup of the United States, by allowing tens of millions of non-Europeans into the country legally. You really don't know what you're talking about - just spewing MSNBC talking points - and it sure shows.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:10 pm
captain obvious, are you stupid? our tax money would have to pay a larger amount if we kept them here.
matt, okc - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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Rob, when are you going to answer the question? Here, since you might have missed it, I'll repeat it for you: " Is this from another article I missed? Who is being "purged" from the state of Oklahoma based on their race and religion? When did a law "purging" people from the state based on their race and religion get past Gov. Henry's veto? I know you can't be talking about law in this article, since it does no such thing. Point me to the article that spells this out, so I can go comment on how outrageous I think such a policy is. Thanks."
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The problem here is that deportaion really does not work. In my line of work I spend many hours in courtrooms, sometimes federal. I remember sitting in on a court where five Costa Ricans were being sent back to their country. For three of them it was not the first deportation. One had been sent back four different times. I do agree that it is a serious problem, but I think long term imprisonment on road gangs prior to deportaion would would better serve the country. If the alien had to work for free for several years, then return to his home with nothing to show for it, maybe then they would think twice before making re-entry. Or mayb e we could just send them to Guantanamo for water-boarding. I care less. Just get rid of the SOBs once and for all. They're ruining our country in all ways.
Ray, St. Robert - Jun 14, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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For me I don't care if you are purple with yellow polka-dots. If you are here illegally you are a liability to this country, this state, my family and me.
Mickey, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Dear Government,

Please feel free to use my tax money to pay for gas or diesel for a car, bus, or plane for their transportation needs.
Captain Obvious, Valid Points - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Some from blue states would say, "YES!" Red states say, "NO!"
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:52 pm
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This great piece of legislation will aid Oklahoma in ridding itself of criminal illegal alien invaders.Thank you Randy Terrill.Saves the state four million dollars--wonderful.
charles, tulsa - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Interesting how people from Europe were never required to have papers and bureaucratic qualifications when coming to the US. Race is clearly a motivating factor here and we all know it!
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:50 pm
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When you cheat one system such as immigration, you end up cheating all the systems of the US. If you saw someone rob a bank would you turn your back?
Mickey, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I was actually trying to be supportive. I am enjoying the banter between Jason and yourself. I like both of your comments and information. Sorry for the misunderstanding, you two! Rob, we seek to purge people on their legal status. I would think that would be easy to figure out but I guess it is not.
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:47 pm
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"I never thought I would see the day when a non-Southern state like OK would seek to purge people based on their race and origin.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:40 pm" - Is this from another article I missed? Who is being "purged" from the state of Oklahoma based on their race and religion? When did a law "purging" people from the state based on their race and religion get past Gov. Henry's veto? I know you can't be talking about law in this article, since it does no such thing. Point me to the article that spells this out, so I can go comment on how outrageous I think such a policy is. Thanks.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Oklahoma doesn't belong in the Midwest, because your state is far too racist. Okies belong in the South, because this sort of thing is not welcome in progressive blue states in the midwest, such as Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota. I never thought I would see the day when a non-Southern state like OK would seek to purge people based on their race and origin.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:40 pm
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"Joe, Luther, lol. Not really. I just like arguing with Jason. He is usually good humored about it.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm" - Oh but I am. I thought my "Midol" moment crack was hilarious. Never tried Viagra, though - that would be overkill, like strapping a rocket booster to a race car.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Joe, Luther, lol. Not really. I just like arguing with Jason. He is usually good humored about it.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Careful everyone, Sallie's on fire today, hehe. Go Sallie, Go Sallie. What a great day. Keep it up everyone.
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:29 pm
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"Jason, is that the "moral equivalency" that the Demos are so fond of? Just wondering, I've heard a lot of that but never researched it.
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm" - More like comparing apples to oranges than moral equivalency. The poster just bristles with hostility for no apparent good reason at times - a constant pusher of open doors. *** But on the subject of my original post, few people who haven't had cause to study the issue in-depth, as I have, are aware that in the early Twentieth Century a number of Japanese scholars wrote long treatises deploring the fact the Europeans beat them to the colonization of the North American continent. This was at the same time Japanese militarism was beginning its steady rise that culminated in the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Prominent Russian scholars before 1917 often bemoaned the same thing. So this continent was going to be colonized by SOME group of people other than the ones who first showed up here, one way or another.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:27 pm
dick, danny...off point true, but thank you for the Gilchrist data. It is indeed news worthy. I hope she loses the others as well.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Jason, Edmond....punk....Midol moment? If you knew how the issue came up then why the rhetorical question? I would never pick a fight with a man having a Vigra moment especially one armed with a crayola. Now back to point of article, the financial strain on states should be placed back on the feds. as they sit on their thumbs and twiddle. I realize the funds come out of the same pocket (we taxpayers) but it might possibly draw the federal governments head out of its collective butt.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm
This is a great measure to begin relieving ourselves of this invasion of illegals of all nationalities.Why stop with the ones that have broken the law?Lets start rounding up and picture ID and DNA, them,put them on a one way train over the border where they slipped in.Make it clear to them if caught in this country it"s not going to be so easy next time!!That one way ticket would be a lot cheaper than having them signing up for every assistance available to Americans!!
marcel, Gods Country - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:18 pm
"Jason, did you know that men can have hot flashes also?
dick, danny - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:13 pm" - Who said they couldn't?
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Jason, did you know that men can have hot flashes also?
UnSub, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Since everyone is off topic.... Why didn't the DOK print the story about Joyce Gilchrist losing a 16.5 million dollar lawsuit against her. One of the wrongfully convicted won the lawsuit last week, and he still has two more suits against the city and the okc police. I would have thought this would have been a worthy story to report.
UnSub, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Jason, is that the "moral equivalency" that the Demos are so fond of? Just wondering, I've heard a lot of that but never researched it.
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm
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Since someone is apparently either having hot flashes or is in the middle of a Midol moment, I will expand & simplify on my original post: whenever the DOK runs one of these immigration articles, any number of posters show up and with dreary predictability start braying about the period of history from 1492-1890 (when the Western frontier "closed" so to speak) on the North American continent, and the conflict between the indigenous tribes and the European settlers who displaced them. There are several things wrong with this as a way of "debating" this immigration issue. For starters, the two situations are not even remotely analogous; for seconders, that history is irrelevant in terms of how we should conduct immigration policy *today*, in this era. It is simply "changing the subject," a subset form of a logical fallacy. It is not the way thinking people "debate" issues, but is a favorite of those whose mentality allows for little more than *ad hominem* grunting on the internet. But further, and this was my larger point which seems to have eluded some folks, it is also almost always thrown into the discussion in terms of *opposition to stricter immigration laws*. In that sense, it is self-contradictory *as an argument against stricter immigration laws*, because the experience the American Indian tribes had with European "immigrants" would seem to suggest they *they*, the tribes, should have dealt much more harshly with the interlopers who showed up on their shores. So as an argument from dissent to tougher immigration policy, it doesn't even make common sense, let alone stand up to logical consistency. That's as bare-bones and simple as I can make it, without breaking out the crayolas. Hope it helps.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Hey Jeff, Oklahoma is a nice place to live because it is ---A REPUBLICAN STATE--- Why dont you get out, maybe you would like to go to Massachusetts and be closer to your pal, your friend, Barney Frank!
Or California where Nancy pelosi lives
Sooners Win, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:48 pm
How about we start by getting the Baptist out first, followed closely by the rethuglicans....then Oklahoma would be a nice place to live.
Jeff, pauls valley - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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"Oh yeah right Jason, Edmond! If you started at the beginning of the postings you would know how the subject of American Indians came up." - Sallie, I don't understand your hostility. I very well know *HOW* the subject came up - my post asked "WHY?" I then went to explain my opinion on the matter. It's called a rhetorical question. Now, if you are just looking to pick a fight, fine.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:33 pm
DEPORT THEM ALL!
jessica, Oklahoma City - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:31 pm
LOL, no doubt Sallie! I agree and good point on your last line...
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:30 pm
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Goodbye and good riddance Sanchez.
Cletus, Mayberry - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Oh yeah right Jason, Edmond! If you started at the beginning of the postings you would know how the subject of American Indians came up. What do the mentally ill non-stop trollers have to do with the article? Aside from that, this is a good and much needed law. Aside from that, I would rather have the mentally ill posting here than standing forth where I shop.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm
All illegals are breaking the law. Deport them all. If they want to come back legally, so be it. If they are denied entry in the U.S., so be it, also. The benefit for the citizens would be in the billions$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Their would be jobs again, social services again for the needy, health insurance premiums would go down, hospital and doctor's cost would go down, and the economy would be healed within a few months.
UnSub, Yukon - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Well, put Jason! Like Eddie Izzard said, " you can't have an empire, if you don't have a flag!" Back to the point of this article, This is a great law except if convicted, they should be deported ASAP!
Joe, Luther - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm
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Than you Randy Terrill for another excellent,common sense,piece of legislation which reflects the will of the people of Oklahoma.As the feds are not adequately enforcing our immigration laws--and the states have to bear the brunt of the illegal alien invasion--then we can save Oklahoma taxpayers money and make sure if the illegal aliens return to Oklahoma they will be severely dealt with.The message of this great legislation--alien lawbreakers stay out of Oklahoma.
charles, tulsa - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:03 pm
"I think Edmond is the worst. That seems to be were most of the hate mail comes from" - How many screen names/monikers is this creature going to dream up? It gets ridiculous, and I know I shouldn't feed it because all it craves is attention, but NewsOK.com seriously needs to look into a moderation system beyond the "Report as inappropriate" button. The non-stop trolling by one poster shows how the internet can be a place where the mentally ill among us, once given free reign, can work out their pathologies to the detriment of everyone else. This poster would have long been *banned* - his IP address blocked - on this website with an adequate moderation system. I urge the DOK to implement one.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Why are there comments about American Indians on this article, when the topic is about *current* illegal aliens? I got news for you special pleaders: the United States is here to stay. There is no going back to 1491. Besides which it always bemuses me: intellectual scum like "Rob, Norman" always shows up in these comments braying about how evil immigration laws like this are in the context of what happened to the American Indian tribes - he doesn't seem to grasp the self-contradiction. Had the American Indian tribes - they are not "Native Americans": anyone born on this soil is a "Native" American - militantly enforced a much stricter "immigration" policy when they had the chance, in the Fifteenth Century, perhaps there would be no United States to this day. Either the Russians or the Japanese would now control this land, because mark my words, *some* NON-INDIAN country was going to colonize this continent eventually. The Dutch and the English just happened to be the most proficient at doing so. *** Regarding the article: excellent law, long overdue. Deport 'em.
Jason, Edmond - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Oh! BTW - Most if not all Christians, like myself dont change their names because of religion.
Sooners Win, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I have a question for one of you guys. Obama - Legal or illegal - Somebody give me a website, so I can look at it. And another question. Why did he changed his name if he is calling himself a Christian? I know why Muhammad Ali changed his name (documented) and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar changed his. But why did Obama change his when he was known as Barry Soetoro for much of his life. Also I read that Barry Soetoro religion was Islam. I just need a website. Thanks
Sooners Win, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:45 pm
willis, as you choose. We agree to disagree.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Percy, Thank you for your kind comments. Sallie. I stand by my comment that you are hateful to the plight of The Red Man. You may be of mixed origin, but you know nothing about them. Racial hatred experienced by children and adults is so very prevalent, even here in our state. The very name Oklahoma originates from the Choctaw Nation word "okla" (meaning people) and "humma" (meaning red). So you think there would not be this stigma towards these peoples. You may justify your response, but in your heart is where the truth lies. Out of your mouth is where the truth flies.....
willis, oklahoma city - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Thanks for the history lesson, willis. Most interesting part of this whole dialogue. I don't think I would have gone so far as to say "George" knew nothing, however. It is possible that George knew something about a different "Indian" than your "Indian." One observation, and it's not meant as a criticism, is that I was told there is no contemporaneous written record of these events, places, numbers, etc., that you describe. You may have proof to the contrary. Feel free to include it if you wish. Oral history and story telling being highly dependent upon the memory systems of the participants, the ability to be an objective eye witness, cross cultural variables that interfere with clear communications, and the subsequent alterations in the telling (like the whispering game), we can only speculate as to the veracity of the claims. Not yours. Just the claims that came down to you and us. The other observation is that it wasn't until Colombus arrived on the scene and reported back to his patron that the word Indian was used to describe the native peoples of this land. I don't know what the marauding Scandinavians called them. It seems to me, and it's just my own feeling, that we might learn even more from this history if we were using the names by which they were known before the white man's invasion. It might actually give us some insight into which of these tribes was native, if any, and which was an "illegal," if that term even had meaning in those times. I really enjoyed reading your version of the development of "cities" in comparison with George's briefer referrals to the Plains indians. Feel free to share more with us from time to time. No reason not to make these sites en"light"ening; we certainly get enough heat on them.
Percy F., Ardmore - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:00 pm
willis, bemoan all you want as this is your opinion. Like many Americans I am of 'mixed blood' which includes Indian blood. My grandfather who was 1/2 Choctaw had the experience of watching his white step-father sell his sister to a white traveling salesman. Is this relevant today? Nope, just history. There is no way I can possibly relate to this incident as it happened before I was born. Racial? I think not.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:59 am
Denver, Centennial....the 'forward thinking' you speak of is a connotation of collective guilt for something that you did not participate in, nor were you involved in anyway. 100= years? No, go back further to the first 'explorers' who came here. The Spanish were the first European visitors here and established the first as well as being establisheing the first successful colony here in 1565. (St. Augustine). You give the 'white' Europeans to much credit. Collective guilt is useless to this backward thinking American.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:54 am
Mary, illegal aliens are criminals. These immigration laws will apply to any race, country, or person not just the hispanic community. They should not make it easier to become a US citizen, but harder. They should make it easier to get a work permit here in the US. The federal governmnet is doing a lousy job protecting our borders - hence the signs along the valley warning drivers to slow down for people crossing the highway!
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:50 am
immigration laws /sorry about the typos She got me a little excited....
willis, oklahoma city - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:49 am
Marion, the immagration lwas are the exact same for every races that yearns to become an American citizen. To say they should make it easier for Mexicans to become citizens is rediculous. Sallie, Yes you are just as much of an American as the American Indians. However, your family is not Indigenous to North America. That only means they have been here longer. They American Indian is a nomenclature for their respective race. They do deserve more respect than they are shown. They still experience racism of unspeakable dimension. From the time a child enters kindergarden, they are ridiculed for their race and color of skin. These kids grow up all over America seeing firsthand how people react to them. You have the same racial mistrust that they see every day of their lives. Apology? No, that simply won't suffice for the indignity they are shown by all of the other races here in our great melting pot. You save you've never taken anything from them? You are taking away their dignity by trying to equate yourself with them. You really have no earthly idea what it is like to be a redman or woman...
willis, oklahoma city - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:46 am
Rob, I think all forward thinking American's have regrets about the way American Indians were treated by our ancestors just as we wish slavery of blacks had not occurred. But the fact of the matter is that it was our acestors who did it, not us. 100+ years have gone by and it is what it is - history. It is too late to turn back and give it back. While I do not believe the laws should be so strict as to not allow some illegals to be given a reasonable period of time to become legal, I DO believe that there should be an active program to deport those who cannot live here within the law. Those who do not believe in supporting the law don't need to move here (Larry). The law is the law and 80% of the population clearly believe the law is correct.
Denver, Centennial - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:23 am
GEORGE Lone Grove. You do not know a thing about the American Indian and their rich and vibrant history. Please allow me to give you a little bit of a history lesson.... During Europe’s Middle Ages, a city called Cahokia, near what is now St. Louis, and with a population estimated at some 50,000 people, was much larger than London. Sky City, which tribal members say is the oldest continuously inhabited village in the US, is the spiritual and cultural hub of the Acoma Pueblo. this federally recognized Native Indian Tribe began building adobe dwellings here in 1150 A.D. With a population of some 4,000 people, the Natchez were devout worshippers of the sun, occupying at least nine villages and presided over by a paramount chief—known as the Great Sun—who wielded absolute power. Cahokia's ruins lie on the Cahokia Creek near Collinsville, Illinois, U.S.A. At its height, around A.D. 1200, it had about the same population as London, England at the time, with over 10,000 people. There were hundreds of towns and cities all over ancient North America. Three were exceptionally large: Cahokia, Illinois; the Moundville Complex, spread out on the Black Warrior River in Alabama, and Etowah. These were simply the largest. There were many other important centers, as well as countless smaller towns and villages. The genocide brought on by expansion completely erased entire tribes. upwards of 1 million to possibly 3 million Indians were killed from 1500 to 1900. Some were killed by disease while others were simply murdered or killed in fighting the Army or settlers/ The Government for a short time actually encourage and made legal the wholesale killing of Native Americans. I haven't included the enormous civilizations of the southincluding Mexico. As for my stand on deportation. If you are illegally inside the borders of our nation, then you must go. If you enter legally then you must comply with all of our laws. Deporting lawbreakers is perfectly justified and the simplest way to unburden our over populated jails.....

willis, oklahoma city - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:20 am
I never understood the incarceration of illegal immigrants in our jails anyway. It makes no sense. We've got plenty of Oklahomans that can fill that jail space anyway.
Kevin, Shawnee - Jun 14, 2009 at 11:00 am
I wish more States were like Arizona and Oklahoma. Other States have State Illegal Immigration Laws, but are they as strong as your laws. If all 50 States would pass State Illegal Immigration Laws, I believe we could really get a bite in to this illegal immigration and the ILLEGAL ALIENS. I'm from Delaware, and I'm ashamed to say that our Legislators will do nothing to get rid of the 50,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS we have here. They truly are wimps and pander to the illegal aliens. How sad is that?
Robert, Smyrna, - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:47 am
Sallie, I agree with what you say. But, why not deport them as soon as they are convicted. Or, would that go against the feel good lock em up mentality that Terrill and his colleagues have.
Milkman, Oklahoma City - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:42 am
My apologies for digressing from the article and subject of same. Oklahoma or any other state should not support illegal aliens for crimes other than the most heinous. Deportation serves to make such criminal actions the responsibility for care and costs to their own country.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:30 am
The French, Spanish, Dutch and English were the ones who were the first explorers of this country and they ‘overtook’ this land we live in here in 2009. The past is the past and can’t be changed and belongs in the history books.

I never stole land or goods from any ‘American Indian/Native American’ nor did my ancestors so guilt is not an option. I was born in America and I am as much of a ‘Native American' as the
Kickapoo, Sioux, Apache, Kiowa, etc. I owe no one with the label of Native Americans anything, much less a feeling of guilt or the need for apology.
Sallie, Del City - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:14 am
Rob, please stay on the reservation as you cry about all of the casinos the Indians (feathers, not dots) are building to drain money from the state . . . but it is illegal for the state citizens to build.

Larry, you are doing us a huge favor by NOT moving back to Oklahoma. We are moving far right because we're sick and tired of spineless weasels like you, who don't take a stand for anything. You, sir, are a coward. Cowards have no business being here.
Cracka, OKC - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:12 am
Immigrants should apply legally for citizenship and wait their turn instead of breaking into the line such as the illegals are doing. This should not only apply to the Latinos, but to any people that want to immigrate to the United States. The country needs to know who is in the United States legally and what their purpose of being here. Most countries do not let people in without a passport and require a request for visitation to be completed.
Travis, Sun City - Jun 14, 2009 at 10:02 am
Our government want to keep them illegal, because as long as they are illegal, they will work for less. We started this guest worker program during world war II to help harvests in California. The big rich farmers out there have kept it going. The prisoners they're talking about are non-violent. I would question the savings amount in this article. I doubt it's that much. If these aliens were rich white boys, 90% of them would never have been sentenced.
Milkman, Oklahoma City - Jun 14, 2009 at 9:48 am
If I walked over the border to Amsterdam and started using their social services without paying for them, I would kind of expect deportation. They should make it easier for Mexicans to become Americans. They work hard and are mostly good citizens. When you strengthen the border and make them pay for things, you'll see hundreds of thousands fewer illegals.
marion - Jun 14, 2009 at 9:31 am
Sorry Rob, but exploration-expansion was a way of life back then. The indians did NOT establish cities, they were nomads that moved from one spot, after raping it, to a fresh piece of land to rape, those south were abusing the populations here is why we ended up in a war with them, at the abused request. We won, they lost, but even then we paid them for the land we took in that war. By the way, Texas was a free republic, wasnt even part of the USA when the asked us to help stop the mexican invasion. Larry, rush had nothing to do with this law, ILLEGALS caused it! How your family turned out has nothing to do with it, they are ILLEGAL and as such facde whatever laws we deem neccesary to stop their actions.
george, lone grove - Jun 14, 2009 at 9:25 am
I dont think illegal Irish are a big problem in Oklahoma. I do think illegal hispanics are in that there is a large number of them... while most are hard working decent people..there is a percentage that is large enuf to cause problems in our Oklahoma society. Its not acceptable for foreign illegals to remain in our society and create problems.
Joe Bob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 8:54 am
Most of the comments I am reading are against this law. I can't imagine people who would want to keep criminals from other countries from being deported back to their countries! We are not speaking about illegal immigrants who are not criminals. This article is about Criminals, people! Why would you want to keep this kind of person in our country and provide for their care? I think you need to re-read the article.
Mary, Oklahoma City - Jun 14, 2009 at 8:09 am
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I wonder how Rob and Larry would feel about this if we (currently) had a big problem with illegal Irish coming to the country and draining our public programs, resulting in their own higher taxes? How about a bunch of Polish criminals coming in undetected? I'm sure they are so open minded they would invited the Irish and Polish illegals to their homes with their wallets open...sure.
mary s, oklahoma city - Jun 14, 2009 at 7:36 am
I was planning on moving back to Oklahoma after I retired. i lived in Oklahoma most of my life. Lately the far right in Ok has changed my thinking. There is no place for me there anymore. I raise six children in ok and they are all well to do. I have preachers a CO in the Navy son-in law works for NASA my dauther-in-law is a doctor. So you can see we are not living off you people who think everyone is out to drain the state of Ok. I read alot of days how mean spirited people have become. I think Edmond is the worst. That seems to be were most of the hate mail comes from. I will always support the Sooner's but not the Boss Limbaugh types.
larry, hallsville - Jun 14, 2009 at 6:10 am
Kind of like how your people drained the earnings and lives from the Native Americans that were here and full-blooded before your people came and raped and impregnated them quarter breeds? The tribes south of the border who speak Spanish were here long before the white man came and drew the lines of North America and created these fraudulent borders in the first place. Now, go put on your pointed white hat and light a cross in somebody's yard who happens to have darker skin than yours.
Rob, Norman - Jun 14, 2009 at 2:30 am
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Sounds like a plan. They drain our money both in and out of jail so send them BACK! I'm all for people coming here from other countries, but do it legal! They want to take the easy route and try to make it under the radar. I know several people personally that are from other countries besides Mexico that came here legally and worked their butts off to stay... again, LEGALLY. No it's not easy and requires some work but would be worth it in the end. Instead of breaking families apart, do something about it!
Jess, Warr Acres - Jun 14, 2009 at 12:32 am
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