Do you think the labor chief's incident was handled appropriately?

Published: February 19, 2008

Let us know what you think about the handling of State Labor Commissioner Lloyd Fields after his conduct at a PBR event Saturday night.

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I'm getting tired of how news channel 9 and the Oklahoman are twisting the stories just for the ratings. Just like the story about Jacob Law's beating his wife over pancakes. I read the police report and nothing shows that the fight was over pancakes. What makes me sick about that story is that I know Jacob and his type of "women". I would not be shocked if she hit him first. He had an ex that loved to trade licks (punches) with everyone. He has weird taste for women. I am going to start wathing the real news on KFOR news 4 or KOCO news 5.
darin, yukon - Feb 23, 2008 11:46 PM
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Thank you Darin, Yukon. Someone finally gets my point!
Heather, oklahoma city - Feb 22, 2008 10:07 PM
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A quick note about police records...Unlike records for other government agencies, Police Records are considered confidential except for some very specific things. If Fields was not arrested, his BAC is NOT public record...not because it's a medical record.
c, Oklahoma City - Feb 22, 2008 1:51 PM
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You would think the Oklahoman would realize that if only 3 emails were found regarding the incident, no one cares. It was a private party. As much as we love to hold elected officials to higher standards, they are just like us and have every right to enjoy their free time the same way we do. Who exactly was hurt here? The owner of the guitar didn't care, so why do we? And why does the Oklahoman feel it is necessary to tell us what questions they would ask if Fields was talking to them? I think he is right to avoid the questions. This ridiculous story has gone on long enough.
darin, yukon - Feb 22, 2008 12:52 AM
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What the hell does it matter to any of you whether he was in there or not. Why is it so important to have those documents. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heather, oklahoma city - Feb 21, 2008 6:08 PM
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James, I think that the OKC Police Chief and his officers are playing a form of legal semantics with the media & public in order to "Cover Their Backsides" or Fields backside- kinda like when Ole Bill Clinton questioned the definition of the word "IS" and "Sexual relations". The Oklahoman / NewsOk.com have been demanding to see [all] the paperwork / info [other than medical] on Fields, in regards to his detention- not just the Police reports. As I read the Oklahoman / NewsOk.com reports, the OKC Police Chief has informed the media that NO reports of [[[any kind]]] are ever generated on the people brought to the detox center- when clearly that is not true. The Detox Center does have written records on everyone brought to the Center, including their blood breath test level info- and its entered into a data base- but apparently its just not prepared by a commissioned officer of the law, which the Chief has been using this fact to play semantics with the media. When a person is detained under "suspicion" of DUI / DWI by police officers- whether or not they are eventually charged or convicted, their alcohol blood level or breath test results are available to the public / media. In Fields case, the media is not asking for medical info- they are asking for Field's alcohol blood content or breath test info obtained by the police and / or the detox center- hardly considered to be medical info. And I just bet that the OKC police had administered their own alcohol breath or blood test before they ever took Fields to the Detox center.... in an effort to not have to take him [a public official] to the Detox Center at all- and the results of the Police officers initial test showed Fields was too drunk to be released. That initial police alcohol testing info should certainly be available to the public, as it couldn't by any stretch of the imagination be considered a medical record. You can bet that if Fields had died while in custody of the Detox Center, that his family's lawyer would be demanding that info-- and I bet the OKC police could easily provide it. One last thing and I will drop this matter, it is a common practice that in an auto accident where a person is taken to the hospital to be treated for injuries and is suspected of DUI / DWI for the police to have hospital doctors / staff draw blood for an alcohol test-- that test info is not protected by the claim of it being a "Medical" record- and the info should therefore not be considered a medical record in Fields case either.
David, Altus - Feb 21, 2008 5:06 PM
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s, david, I think the differential here is not the procedure, or what happens in, say, 99% of the cases. It's what can happen, has been reported to happen, and the basic travesty in those few cases. As a former resident of Stillwater, I've seen it first hand. Because of the low accountability and "gray zone", it's an easy solution if egos are involved. If you're in a bad mood, and I (an average joe) give you a wrong glance, or say the wrong thing, detox is a catch-all option. Most people in these rare situations (innocent) are afraid to speak up, or do not know they have rights. You can bet, however, that I wouldn't stand for it. After those 10 hours, everyone in your chain of command will be hearing from me, by voice and written complaints. Depending on how that goes, they'll also be hearing from an attorney. To use detox as an ego trip detention tool is asking for major trouble. To the few officers who believe otherwise, let me remind you that because many of us have a lot to lose with even the smallest "incident", we will not tolerate it, and will fight with all available methods. You may get away with it 9 out of 10 times, but is that 10% chance worth your lifetime career? To the guy you're escorting in hand cuffs it is.
James, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 12:21 PM
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David...I give up trying to educate you on this matter. Surely if you really have been in law enforcement in Oklahoma City then you know an officer or come into contact with one occasionally. You should ask one about the detox process and what the officers are required to do when they take someone in.
P.S. Dennis is right...the attendant at detox does have forms to fill out for the state's database, but the attendant is not an officer and does not make a police report.
s, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 11:31 AM
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For the record...whenever someone is brought in for "detox," a number of "official" forms must be filled out by the attendant on duty. These forms then become part of the official file and are entered in the State's computer database courtesy the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and SubstanceS Abuse Services. And of course, they are "Confidential."
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 10:39 AM
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I stand corrected, according to the paper, Fields was signed out of the detox center after only 4 1/2 hours by a police officer, instead of staying the customary 10 hours.... doesn't say much for OKC police following standard proceedure- does it. And since the OKC Chief has opened a investigation to the matter to see if Fields got special treatment from an officer, I's say that we have a right to question the integrety of officers who just drop 'em off with no report-- then sign 'em out the same way before the 10 hours are up!
David, Altus - Feb 21, 2008 8:24 AM
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It is very unlikely you work for the OKC PD. The Paper reports Fields was held 4 hours by police [before] being turned over to a police officer and sent to Detox- that is a total of 14 hours of confinment-- and like I wrote earlier, should one of those people die [for any reason] and you didn't document in writing your reason for placing him / in confinement against his will then your in for a world of hurt and so is the City-- unless your one of those officers who goes back and prepares documents..... after the fact.
David, Altus - Feb 21, 2008 8:01 AM
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David, I'm curious what law enforcement agency you worked with in Oklahoma City. I work for the Oklahoma City Police Department. I take people to detox on a regular basis. They blow and determine their blood alcohol concentration to make sure they do not need medical treatment and then stay their 10 hours. Once again, no report. I am not "silly", just doing my job and know how to do it. I would invite you to apply so you can see how things really work, but you are probably too old for that. You can do some research though and learn about the process so you don't sound so arrogant on a subject that you do not know the facts on. This isn't some big conspiracy to keep something from the media or you...detox is an alternative to jail that has been around for years.
s, Oklahoma City - Feb 21, 2008 4:17 AM
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S, Oklahoma City... you must have spent the last 20 years on another planet- whereas my last 10 years of law enforcement work was in Oklahoma City. I know exactly what I am writing about-- whereas you do not. Your the one who needs to do your research before spewing your nonsense into this forum. Do you honestly think that any government agency in the United States [no matter how big or small the city / town is] could ever legally hold someone [especially an American Citizen] against their free will for 10 hours without "fully documenting" that detention, the reason for it and having a medical evaluation of that person in writing somewhere????? Just look at Gitmo in Cuba and all the legal documentation that has to be done on suspected non-American terrorist not even detained on American soil and not charged with any crime. .....Mayberry & Andy Griffith letting ole drunk Otis Campbell sleep it off in a cell and Otis letting himself in & out without any documentation was just make-believe "S", so come out of your fantasy world--- it doesn't work that way in real life! Not officially documenting such a 10 hour detention against a person's free will in writing- claiming they were intoxicated but not administering a breath or blood test and without giving them a medical evaluation would be such an obvious civil rights violation that any fool could see it. A lawyer would justifiably argue that police officers were not doctors and not qualified to hold someone against their free without something more to hold them on than the police officers personal opinion. And, You can't be so silly to not know the difference between a "detention" not going on a person's criminal record... as opposed to that "detention" having been properly / officially documented in writing? There is a big big difference. You can bet that if Fields had died in detox from alcohol poisoning or had suffered a heart attack and there had been no initial documented record of his detention, the reason for it & a medical screening / evaluation made of him at the time of his arrival at the center, that his family would own OKC and the Police Department. The police officials are reporting there are no records [[[at all]]] for Mr. Fields detention- that is false or else public records were destroyed-- because there is suppose to be documented records of Fields detention, its reason and his medical evaluation done at the time of his detention-- the "detention" just doesn't go on the person's criminal record as an ARREST. The media and public are demanding under the Freedom of Information Act laws to see all the records [except medical] concerning Fields detention--- I can't believe your so silly as to believe that there is not suppose to be official documentation that Fields detention [not arrest] had ever occurred. ......PS: S, You wrote, "Also, the capacity of the jail has nothing to do with whether someone goes to detox or jail. Why don't you do your research before making a "20+ years in law enforcement" posting like you did." Well, the over crowded conditions of the Oklahoma County Jail was an issue cited by OKC police officials in one of the news articles as one of the considerations used by the police as to why Fields was taken to detox in stead of jail, so you are the one who needs to do your research and not just rely on one or two news articles.
David, Altus - Feb 21, 2008 12:40 AM
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David your 20 years must have been spent at some small town police department since you have no idea what you are talking about. Detox is a place intoxicated people can go to sober up for 10 hours. It doesn't go on your record and there is no fine for going to detox. As long as you are not causing any problems and not acting violent you can be taken to detox to sit out your time. And, by policy, the one you think you know, a report does not have to be made and no paper generated. Also, the capacity of the jail has nothing to do with whether someone goes to detox or jail. Why don't you do your research before making a "20+ years in law enforcement" posting like you did. And.....Glenda always has something negative to say about OCPD, but she will never get around to saying what led her to this decision. Someone probably needs to check her criminal history.
s, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 4:45 PM
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He better hope that he hires the lawyer that Thompson, the drunk football player, got otherwise he will be in jail!
Lou, Yukon - Feb 20, 2008 2:28 PM
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Also, this was not a public event or place so he was not breaking any law by being intoxicated there...and if no one was willing to press charges over the guitar, who's the victim? Unfortunately, it's easy to jump on the bandwagon and scream that all government officials are idiots/criminals since so many in OK have given us reason to. I'm interested why Glenda has such an acid-tongue for the OKC police dept?
c, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 1:11 PM
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Lots of folks from all walks of life get taken to Detox when they're drunk. If you think of it that way, he got treated just like anyone else. Trick is...if you're a good person otherwise and don't have a criminal history as long as your arm, police might cut you a break too. It's all about moderation
c, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 1:05 PM
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This incident just goes to show that Oklahoma City Police department are liars. They know what they did and what was done and they also know that it was totally wrong and agaist the rules! Nothing will be done about it at all. Just watch and see for yourself. Yes they will treat those Officials that have a NAME stuck on their chest different than the ordinary population. He is no better than the next person that would have had the book thrown at them. So yes he was treated like he had done nothing wrong. But when your dealing with the OKC Police Department your dealing with a whole different world there!
glenda, oklahoma city - Feb 20, 2008 11:56 AM
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If the state officals can not act civilized how can we expect to get the help of this state office when we need it the most? This shamful for we the people of Oklahoma and what we stand for. This is another reason why we lost the NFR to Las Vegas to, because people do not want the problems like the Labor Comm. create for us.
quartercircle, Guthrie - Feb 20, 2008 11:36 AM
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Fields, a Democrat, was elected labor commissioner in 2006. He previously served 10 years in the state House of Representatives. This is the reason for the stealin',because he can.
Jerry L., Guthrie - Feb 20, 2008 11:28 AM
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Fields is just another union squeeze that gets his little tussy spanked in a "detox run about" because he got caught stealing while drunk.Stealin' is only acceptable by politicians while sober and behind their little "desks" of corruption. So much for the integrity of union folk,police included.
Jerry L., Guthrie - Feb 20, 2008 11:17 AM
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Carolyn - give me a break. This 'cast the first stone' bs is always taken out of context and it's meaning distorted. What if your friend Lloyd had got out of the party drunk and ran over an innocent person or plowed his car into some innocent driver? Would you be spouting your 'cast the first stone' nonsense then especially if the victim had been your child? I believe in forgiveness but I also believe people are responsible for their actions and should pay the consequence when they make poor judgements.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:57 AM
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Mr. Fields did nothing more than prove one thing...he is human just like the rest of us. Thank the good Lord "our" daily activities don't tickle the fancy of the press corps.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 10:49 AM
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A stupid thing to cover up in these times of easy access to information. I think the days are gone when a state senator can make a call to the DPS chief and get his ticket lost. There's no doubt in my heart as a Christian that Mr. Fields deserves our prayers and forgiveness, and none in my mind as a voter he should resign. And as voters we should not vote for anyone for state office that has ever lived within 30 miles of McAlester or ever had coffee with Gene Stipe. Sorry, Carolyn.
JoJo, Cobb, OK - Feb 20, 2008 9:36 AM
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OCPD cover up. Its a good thing that Colby Yates didn't exact some country justice on Fields.
Brett, Oklahoma City - Feb 20, 2008 9:10 AM
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Lloyd is a person that I, for one, am proud to know. Maybe he did use poor judgement in this instance but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. No stones would be cast I am sure. He apologized. He was own his own time. Let's move on
carolyn, mcalester - Feb 20, 2008 8:56 AM
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Another top official caught doing something wrong. A prank gone wrong? I don't think so. An intoxicated official trying to steal a guitar and getting caught? I think so. He's a drunk and he needs help. Our justice system needs help.....there are too many high profile officials that are getting in trouble with the law and getting by with it. Had that been me or you, we would have spent the night in the county jail...not detox. You just have to know the right people, right Mr. Fields?
Keith, Okla. City - Feb 20, 2008 8:02 AM
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A person would never be held against his / her free will in a government sponsored / funded detox center for 10 hours if they were not drunk-- violates civil rights... something looked down on by the federal courts. The guy who owns the guitat and dozens of witnessed all reported that Fields took the guitar and that he had to be restrained from leaving with it.... proof enough for me that he was drunk and attemting to steal the guitar.
David, Altus - Feb 19, 2008 11:09 PM
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I agree Glorie, but i think OKC finest blew this out of proportion like they usually do!
chuck, norman - Feb 19, 2008 8:45 PM
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I think that the media has just totally blown this out of proportion. What facts do we have that says that Mr. Fields actually took the guitar or that he was actually drunk????
Glorie, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 5:48 PM
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From working 20+ years in law enforcement, I can tell you that anytime someone is detained against their free will by a governmental agency, a detailed report is to be generated-- and that is at any agency. If there is no official documentation available to the media via Freedom of Information laws then there is definitely a cover-up here. The old saying is, if it is not written down, then it never happened. I will bet that it is normal practice / procedure and policy for commitment reports to be written on every other person that OKC police take to the detox center.... so why isn't there one for Lloyd Fields. This whole incident stinks like a 3 day old dead fish. Stealing a guitar [even if the person doesn't get very far with it] could well be charged as a felony. And being Publicly Intoxicated while committing a felony [even if the guitar owner doesn't wish to file charges] and not going to jail... give me a break. I wonder if the media [Oklahoman / News 9 / NewsOk.com] has checked with the Oklahoma County Jail to see if the facility was anywhere near its capacity that night.... as it just doesn't pass the smell test that Lloyd was taken to the detox center with no records generated, instead of to Jail.
David, Altus - Feb 19, 2008 5:43 PM
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Why should he be handled any differently than everyone else? Without knowing more details it is hard to say if the incident was a joke or not. But he was apparently intoxicated and a report should have been written to document the incident.
Kiowa County, Hobart - Feb 19, 2008 2:23 PM
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Watch out before passing judgement. Friday night at the pbr event, 3 friends and myself were thrown out of the event for "extreme public intoxication". We were then taken to the detox center where we were released because we each blew 0.0 on the breathalizer.
Monte, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 2:06 PM
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Of course he's passing this off as a joke gone bad. He was drunk in public, which is bad enough, plus attempted to steal a guitar. How embarassing for our state. What a friggin hick...and we'll never hear another word about this.
Dingle, Berry - Feb 19, 2008 1:23 PM
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If I did what he did, I would be in jail and they would be pumping sun light to me. Justice is not dealt out equally in Oklahoma. Power buys you favors in Oklahoma City.
david, edmond - Feb 19, 2008 12:29 PM
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Lloyd Fields is a decent guy. Unfortunately, like some other decent guys, he's been seen hitting the watering hole over the years and sometimes drinking too much. I don't know if that makes him an alcoholic. However, this is Oklahoma. It's not California or even Texas. We are not that liberal when it comes to our officials drinking. You play and you will pay. Unless you happen to be the wife of the former DA, you're going to probably be treated like everyone else. I do think Lloyd got some preferential treatment here on one account. The police always write up people for public intoxication. Why? All the police have to say is that you were intoxicated and you are convicted. It's one of those shameful ordinances that should not be on the books in 2008 in a town that wants to be a big league city. You got no right to a blood alcohol test or a breathalyzer to prove the charge wrong. Officers take advantage of that fact all the time.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 11:46 AM
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The allegations are hazy, but any of us with those same hazy allegations would have been arrested and booked.
Cathy, Blanchard - Feb 19, 2008 11:37 AM
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It is amazing how quick people are to judge on such hazy allegations with so few facts.
Gary, Okmulgee - Feb 19, 2008 11:09 AM
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Let's see- petty larceny and public intoxication. No arrest, no record, but plenty of negative publicity. What goes around, comes around.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Feb 19, 2008 10:27 AM
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just another poor drunk who made a mistake..wonder if has paid his taxes? wonder if he has taken any illegal campaign funds,wonder what other crimes he has done..oh its ok he is in politics......
dwayne, blair - Feb 19, 2008 8:16 AM
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He needs Gene Stipes lawyer.Don't put him in jail because he is an elected official with "alltimers" that steals.No big deal,right?Welcome to Oklahoma!
Jerry L., Guthrie - Feb 19, 2008 8:09 AM
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