BTW: I'm done with you & this topic-- post away.

Thank you for making my point- you don't see the striking similarity between yourself and the owner of those dogs who killed the elderly woman. Those dogs owner [like you] is now saying the very same things as you- their dogs never offered to bite anyone before, their dogs never even growled at anyone before, their dogs wouldn't hurt a baby chicken if you put it in their mouths, we live in the country where we don't have to fence in our dogs-- you can't see that if you had just used common everyday horse sense and confined [your] dogs securely to [your] own property- so they couldn't get out into the public roadway to eat the poison and experience all that pain and anguish you write of, they would still be alive today and your kids wouldn't be heart broken. Kelli Bruce- clueless in Ada. You share in the responsibility for your dogs deaths!!!!! It might be just 20% vs 80% on the part of the mystery person who poisoned them, but you still have some personal responsibility- just as the owner of the dogs who killed this poor woman is responsible for the final deaths of those dogs- whether or not they suffered. If those dogs had just been confined, the elderly woman would be alive today and the dogs would be alive too. You are tunnel visioned in on the difference in pain and suffering between being poisoned vs. shot with a bullet-- but whether its from poison or a bullet the end results are the same... the dogs are DEAD- and you played a part in the death of your dogs because you didn't confine them properly. Now you have to live with that- if you have a conscience... from your previous posting I don't think you do! Your the kind who clears their own conscience by blaming everyone else.

Do you see the contrast between a pack of dogs who attacked and killed an elderly woman and a few household pets who were afraid of our cat? If you can't, then maybe you can understand the contrast between those horrible dogs being humanely put to death with a quick bullet and my dogs being given a poison that slowly and cruelly caused them to have seizures, pain and anquish. Thank you sir for helping to make my point.

63-year-old Rosalie Bivins was mauled to death by a pack of dogs running loose as she stood at her mailbox in rural Pontotoc County [Ada area]. The owners of these dogs were probably just like the little girls posting below, who think there are "special" rules for people living in rural areas-- that they as dog owners don't have to keep their dogs confined, because they live in the country. Well any dog can bite- especially if they get to running loose in a pack. But these women [who think like kids] can't see that- they just don't get it that dog owners [whether they live in the city or the country] need to securely confine their animals to their property or else not have them. Its OK to tell their kids they can't have a dog if it can't be kept properly confined.

Hey Amber, Your not a Redneck if you have 5 or 6 dogs running loose around your house, a bunch of kids, and live in the country- your a Hillbilly! Don't insult the Rednecks. Rednecks usually have only one working dog that rides in the back of the truck when he's not herding. Most Rednecks own and work their own property- that's how they get their red sunburned necks- from plowing and from working cattle.

Amber, you obviously have little experience living in the country. And less knowledge of what a redneck is. Hang in there Allison and Kelli, you can sleep nights knowing you are right. Don't let the naysayers weedle their way into your worlds.

I'm absolutely amazed that someone hasn't given Allison and Kelli their Redneck signs to hang around their necks.

I'm absolutely amazed that someone hasn't given Allison and Kelli their Redneck signs to hand around their necks. They can wear them as they sit on their front porches, drinking beer and letting their hounds run free.

I’m absolutely amazed at some of statements that David from Altus and Dog Lover from OKC have posted. - - - - - I have read all the postings, but I don’t think that A Lawyer did before his response. This wasn’t about dog bites. ……………………………………………………………………………………
It doesn’t appear that the 3 who are attacking Kelli have ever lived outside the city limits. There are no leash laws, PERIOD. Very few dog owners fence or pen their pets in rural areas. (Hunting dogs are the exception, for training purposes.) The owner is still responsible for the actions of their dogs, but it’s usually not a problem. With all of the unimproved land, the dogs rarely stray into or poop in someone’s yard. BTW, there are no dog pounds for the rural areas. City pounds don’t accept dogs from outside the city limits.
…………………………………………………………………………………… Kelli said the neighbor took the dogs running WITH HER OWN CHILDREN. Therefore, the dogs were supervised when they left the property. Kelli also mentioned the “spot” was in her driveway, however, if the poisoned food was in the road, the culprit enticed the dogs into the road with the tainted food.
…………………………………………………………………………………… David suggested that Kelli’s word couldn’t be believed, and Dog Lover can’t count (5+4=9 dogs).
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Both David from Altus and Dog Lover from OKC made numerous assumptions and accusations that they can’t back up. - - - - Why Kelli is single – doesn’t want to pick up poop - reality and the responsibilities of an adult - its always the other guys fault - dogs running around that she obviously can't control properly – how she spends her money – “The bite victim would end up owning anything & everything of value she has, which I'm betting probably isn't very much” - the first time one of her dogs bites a person in the future. - - - - - These statements are out of line!
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Kelli, I was a little disappointed in the “brightest peanut in the turd” remark. Don’t stoop to their level. You’re better than that.

Kelli, your certainly in know position to be calling anyone "strange" or anything else. Your the one who doesn't have a clue.

Sir, have you read the posting here? There is no bite victim! There are no dogs any longer! This is all a figmant of this man's paranoid delusions. When the dogs were alive, they never bit, growled, or attempted to even look mean. The point is, this man got WAY off course and began ranting about something he has no knowledge of. The topic was the legality and immorality of dropping poison at a families doorstep. No one ever said I would not be at risk IF I owned a dog that bites. The fact is, this strange little man in these postings has taken it upon himself to decide that these things are inevitable when he does not even have a clue.

I don't know who the name lawyer is who is advising you, but he could be sanctioned or possibly disbarred if he gave you legal advice that you were not at risk should one of your dogs now bite someone in the future. This is no joking matter. I'd love to take a bite victim's case, knowing what you have posted here, under your real name. That wasn't very smart on your part.

Laugh all you want too! And if your attorney friend and detective friend don't believe your holding yourself out to a lawsuit should one of your animals bite someone in the future- especially after this incident and your public writings in this forum, then they are not very good at what they do and your just fooling yourselves.

Sir, you are a paranoid, meddling, self-righteous person. I love the way your little imagination has run amuck with stories of trials and subpeonas. You copy and paste to your hearts content. I am so glad that your life finally has meaning and a purpose. I have a group of friends who were having dinner with me earlier that are still here because of you. They would have left an hour ago but for your entertainment. FYI, one is an attorney and another is a detective of 22yrs. The attorney especially likes the way you prepare for the trial of the century..... Riverfront home harbors viscious chiuahua....... I thank you so much. You have made me not nearly as embarrassed of my relatives as I once was!

Keep typing Kelli Bruce, I'll add it to the file- it may come back to haunt you some day, in a very expensive way.

You write, "If her neighbors had such a hard time with her dogs, they could have left a note on her door, sent her an anonymous letter or picked up the dogs & delivered them to the pound themselves." Besides the fact that the news story clearly informs us that a neighbor had complained about the dogs-- I ask, why should the neighbors have to do anything at all- it is her responsibility to confine her dogs to her own property- period, not the neighbors job. The first time one of her dogs bites a person in the future, that person's attorney could subpoena this forum question & the responses from the NewsOK.com archives and show a jury just how callous / reckless she is about confining her animals to her property- that she thinks it perfectly alright to let them roam free- that she even resorted to vulgarity when other posters pointed out her responsibility as a dog owner. The bite victim would end up owning anything & everything of value she has- which I'm betting probably isn't very much. I have copied and pasted these postings into a file, for safe keeping- just in case I do read of her dogs having bitten someone in the future- and would be most happy to forward a copy of these postings to the bite victim and their attorney. ..... Remember, this is the same woman who at first wrote that her dogs never got out of the yard- that one dog could just barely make it off of the porch, then she finally admitted they ran the streets. I don't think she has any credibility at this point. And if any future dogs she has ever bites anyone, a jury will not think she is credible either.

David, your comments about my marital status and the personal stabs you make toward me show just how low your iq really is. The kind of narrow mindness that seems to flow from you like a rushing river is nauseating and just plain wierd. I'm just curious as to how you think attacking me, someone you don't even know, is productive. I doubt you have an answer to that. You aren't trying to be productive. You are just trying to be judgemental and argumentative. Do you not have something better to do with your time? Maybe you should go take a walk and enjoy the outdoors, or go treat yourself to a bikini wax. Whatever it is that makes you feel special..... But I ask you now to leave your hateful narrow mind to wallow it its own self absorbed shell. It has no business with those of us who have been blessed with all our peanuts intact. If you have trouble with any of the words that are larger than four letters, I would be happy to send you a dictionary/thesarus. THE DOG LOVER!!

Hey Dog Lover! I think her little rant below explains a lot about why she's a "SINGLE" parent and certainly explains why she doesn't get along with some of her neighbors. Can you just imagine being married to someone who thinks or reasons like her? Putting a dog on a chain as a last resort to keep them safe and contained is "just plain mean" according to her, but letting them run loose in the streets where someone can shoot them, run over them or poison them or where the dogs could be killed / bitten by a wild animal isn't mean-- wow, she's a real keeper isn't she? NOT! Her little comment "not the brightest peanut in the turd" just shows her IQ- which is pretty childish... not to mention she is just plain vulgar.

Don't even pretend you know me or my situation sir. You are obviously one who is so jaded and cranky with life that you don't know what reality is any more. So let me educate your judgemental little excuse for a brain. I did have a small pen built for the dogs. They outgrew it. I also purchased an electronic pen. It caused neucrosis on one of the dog's neck. Putting a dog on a chain is just plain mean. Since my dogs were never reported to me as a problem, I would never have thought to be a paranoid dog owner and watch over my shouler for some redneck, small minded grump with no life of their own to attack my children's pets. Also, as a single mother, I have to make ADULT decisions every day. Should I go to the dentist or should I buy my children the pool they want? I generally decide to give my children the things that make them happy and let them be children. I suppose the next thing you would tell me is that I should not have children. That would again prove to me what a shallow, narrow minded individual you are. Anyone who can justify or condone what happened to my family is obviously not the brightest peanut in the turd. If my dogs had gotten hit by a passing car, had been a nuisance to anyone, or had been aggressive, then I would be responsible for the reprocussions. I am not, however, responsible in the least for some cruel, evil excuse for a human placing tainted food in my driveway for my pets to consume. That is reality and responsibility. Try living life rather than judging others lives and you may discover a little of those characteristics yourself sir.

AHHH, so now the truth comes out! I don't think this Kelli has a firm grasp on reality and the responsibilities of an adult, a parent or a dog owner. A reasonable responsible person would have simply thought to install a much smaller fenced in area for her dogs like a portable / movable dog run ...or maybe fence off a 50ft x 25ft area using cheap metal T-posts and fencing wire which can be removed fairly easily if she were to move-- not to fence the whole 2 acre lot-- just common sense here folks, people in rural areas do it all the time.... OR SHE COULD HAVE CHOOSEN JUST NOT HAVE A BUNCH OF DOGS RUNNING AROUND THAT SHE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T CONTROL PROPERLY- but that would require an "adult" decision on her part-- telling the kids "NO" they can't have a bunch of dogs. Then there is that problem with fencing in her dogs that she doesn't want to deal with, she or her kids would have had to clean the dog mess up in a fenced in area- so she probably thinks its better to let her dogs do their business off her property- for the neighbors to worry about stepping in or driving over or looking at on the roadway as they travel the area. At the very least (certainly not a first choice) a reasonable responsible adult would keep the dogs on a chain or cable run so they couldn't roam free. She earlier wrote that her dogs stayed on her property, that one could barely get off the porch- we now know that wasn't exactly true as she now admits they ran freely off the property with a neighbor and her 5 dogs... and she thinks its OK to let them roam freely just because there are no leash laws in her area. Obviously she shows no responsibility as a adult or as a dog owner. I'm sorry for her kids that their dogs were killed-- but if their mother had shown just one ounce of adult / pet owner responsibility these dogs would still be alive today! Lady, you write that you feel sorry for David of Altus, well if you don't see how you share in these dogs deaths, then it is you whom I feel sorry for-- no, make that your kids I feel sorry for! But then I don't expect you to take any of the responsibility, for with people like you, its always the other guys fault- in your eyes you have no fault in this matter. I ask everyone to also note that between the neighbors 5 dogs and this Kellis 4-6 dogs there was a pack of at least 10-12 animals regularly running the area. Would you want to spend over a $100,000+ on buying property where you [or more importantly your kids or an elderly relative] might go out into your front yard and encounter a pack of a dozen dogs... friendly or not?????] I'm sorry the dogs were killed, but the owner clearly bears just as much responsibility as the dogs killer. Reasonable cost effective preventative measures on her part as a dog owner would certainly have prevented these needless deaths!

Qwote from David of Altus:
"While the killing of the dogs was certainly wrong [at least on its face, as we don't know all the past problems they may or may not have caused area neighbors- only what the dogs owner has told us... so there may be a little prejudice slant there] " It would not matter what has happened, even if it had been terrible, there is NO excuse for what was done to my animals.... The cost of fencing a two acre yard is much more than even all the 'niceties' I have gotten for my children the past year. Also, I lease this home, so fencing the yard is not an option. I would actually have to get in my car and drive to get to a neighbors home if that gives you an idea of how far apart the houses are. "It doesn't matter how [rural] an area you live in- you still are suppose to keep your dogs confined on your own property--" There are no leash laws here and the furthest my dogs would go is a daily run with one of my neighbors and her five dogs. She runs by my house and takes my dogs and children with her. As I said before, if my dogs were causing a problem for someone (other than making MY yard messy), tell me. If I do nothing, then I have to deal with the consequences. But there is never a time when poisoning an innocent animal is okay. That is why there are laws against it. If you don't see how that is wrong, then I feel very sorry for you sir.

While the killing of the dogs was certainly wrong [at least on its face, as we don't know all the past problems they may or may not have caused area neighbors- only what the dogs owner has told us... so there may be a little prejudice slant there] I note that according to the news story, at least 2 of the animals were found dead in the roadway and the [suspicious spot] was found in the road by the Sheriff-- which would lead a reasonable person to believe that all the dogs were in the road at some point in time and had eaten some poisonous material. In an earlier posting, the dogs owner said she never had any problem keeping the dogs in her own yard--- well apparently that is not true-- they obviously were in the road, not in her yard.... so we certainly don't have [[[all]]] the facts in this story!!!!! It doesn't matter how [rural] an area you live in- you still are suppose to keep your dogs confined on your own property-- not allow them to run loose in the streets / roads. Let's face it, if the dogs had been kept fenced in, they would most likely still be alive today and the kids hearts not broken- so the owner bears a great deal of responsibility for these dogs deaths too-- like it or not!!!!! I feel that if the owner had the money for a trampoline, a swimming pool, a fire pit and a host of other niceties, then she could have afforded a chain link fence for her kids dogs and done without one or two of the other niceties. Life is all about choices- she had a adult choice to make...chose to contain the dogs properly or buy toys for the kids... she chose the toys and a fire pit. And if I had a neighbor letting their trash blow across my pasture on a regular basis, I'd be mad about it too. No reasonable / responsible person wants to have their property look like a dumping ground for dogs or trash. Her property rights end at her property line- not in the street or in the middle of her neighbors pasture. To document who might do such a thing in the future, I would suggest installing a wireless color camera w/ night vision capabilities [available from WalMart for about $80] on the front of her house, hooked up to a DVD or VCR recorder / player. Just review the tape / disc on fast forward each day and then record over it again if nothing out of place shows up on the recording.

I'm dealing with a similar issue right now. I live in town, and my neighbors feel that is is ok to let their dogs run loose all of the time, (Pit Bulls, Heelers, etc) I just lost some rabbits to one of their dogs killing them in a pen in my yard, but they refuse to pen their dogs, and have threatened to kill my kenneled dogs if one of theirs get killed by me.

Whether or not this woman kept her dogs in the yard is a secondary issue to what has happened. It is downright cruel (not to mention COWARDLY) to poison a dog that is not a threat to humans or livestock. These animals were not vermin; THEY WERE COMPANION ANIMALS. If her neighbors had such a hard time with her dogs, they could have left a note on her door, sent her an anonymous letter or picked up the dogs & delivered them to the pound themselves.

Thank you all for your sympathy and concern about our situation. I allowed this story to be written in hopes that my children would feel better by knowing that people do care about their loss. It has helped them greatly. To Steven from Norman: Apology accepted gratefully. That is the nice thing about these blogs. You can get out parts of the story that were not in the reported story to make things more clear. You are right, it is none of his business, but he is the type that makes what everyone is doing his business. I am not the only person who has been troubled by this man, I am the only one who happened to have such a cruel thing happen to me. He has a tendency to call the authorities on neighbors for things like trash blowing accross his pasture, etc. It is sad that his type of ignorance still exists. I do believe that whoever is responsible for hurting my family has a special seat reserved for them after their passing. It will be especially warm.......

Kelli, I'm sorry about the loss of your dogs, and in such a horrible manner. My neighbor poisoned my dog by spraying Roundup weed killer on him. I had the authorities out and was told that if I did not see him do it, that I had no proof. My dog was in a pen, close to the back of his yard. Yes, it hurts when your pet dies from natural causes, but when someone kills one by poisoning, makes it a lot worse. It sounds as though you have a jealous neighbor.

. Kelli: I am sorry, I misunderstood. That being the case, I hope you gave that "neighbor???" a "piece of your mind." If your dogs wanted to drag their toys or whatever else in your own yard, that is your business, and I hope you told him so. After all, it is your property. Sounds as though maybe he felt his manhood was being threatened, what with you being a female, and improving your property the way you stated. Sounds like you are doing great, keep up the good work. Again, I am sorry that I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I thought it was because your dogs were on his property. I can not believe he had the nerve to comment how you were going to manage your property without a man around. Of all the nerve. It just shows his ignorance. I still hope you gave him a "piece of your mind."

I can understand the nuisance of having other's pets in your yard, but that wasn't the case here. The run-in I had with my neighbor started right after I moved out here. He voiced his concern of how I would manage my property without a man. I am a single mother and the appearance of the area was his concern. Although I managed to assemble a trampoline, above ground pool, gas grill, lawn furniture, dig a fire pit, hang a tire swing, manage a vegetable and flower garden, mow twice a week, cut tree limbs away from my roof, clean the gutters and manage a full time job and children, I was unable to keep the dogs from dragging their chew toys into the front yard and that was a problem for him. That is what he threatened to kill my dogs over. Now, whether he was responsible for the poisonings or not is uncertain. But he does have a history of picking at all of the people around here. He seems to feel that all of the land out here, other than his, should be vacant. He would like to own the entire riverfront and be in complete solitude. I am unable to see that as a justifiable reason to kill an animal, let alone to do what was done to mine. They weren't killed, they were slowly tortured to death while my children and I stood helpless.

Kelli. I feel sorry for the loss of your dogs. I know that most people that live on an acreage feel that their animals can roam free. The paper did state that you did have a run-in with one of your neighbors about your dogs. While I do feel sorry for your loss, I have to say, I do not like for other people's cats and dogs in my yard. When you mow your yard, one runs into dog poop, then try to work in your flower beds, one gets a handful of cat poop. Maybe the solution would be for you to fence off a large area for your dogs so this would not happen again.

I am the owner of the dogs in this story. I can understand the misconception that my dogs were running loose in a neighborhood, but the truth is, I live in a very rural area, on an acreage. The back side of my property ends at the river, and the house is on a dead-end road with only four other homes. We all have pets and only one home has their dogs in a pen. We are far enough apart that our animals have no trouble staying in their own yards. The point is, that if my dogs had been in someone's yard, being a nuisance, I could accept the property owner taking action. By taking action, I mean letting me know there was a problem and if I failed to remedy it, then take the appropriate measures.
There is NO excuse for poisoning an animal to death. Had someone shot one or all of my dogs if they were on their property, I would have been sad, but I would have understood their position. But to place poison in my driveway so my children's pets would be subject to an agonizing death is inexcuseable.
One of the dogs that was killed, Sassy, was a chiuahua-Jack Russell mix we had since she was orphaned at four days old. She barely even left the front porch, let alone the yard.
The person who did this is indeed a sicko and my hope is that they will be caught so my children don't have to go through life thinking that this kind of cruelty goes unaccounted for.

People are sickos. However, it bothers me to read the dogs' owners let the dogs run the neighborhood and street loose. People with dogs have a responsibility to keep them in fenced areas or their homes...to protect them from this very thing happening....or from being hit by cars, bb guns, teased by neighbor children, etc.

Hopefully they find the people that did this...why are people so sick and cruel?