Domestic terrorism activities grow after vote, expert says

Good point Cale.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not black. I am as white as they come.

I speak the truth...Bush is an idiot.

There is a difference between calling someone an idiot and using a racial slur to describe someone. Since the article says that Obama's election has caused a resurgence of hate groups such as the KKK in the state, I can think of only one reason why that is and I bet it is not because he is an idiot.

Gosh. Talk about hate groups. These comments are made up of a hate group. They seem to be a white hater group. Hardly any black comments as compared to blaming white people for everything. I guess the article is right. Racist activity is on the rise.

Well Jimmy, for over 300 years, that would be the exclusively white, male U.S. government!

KJ, You hit the nail on the head . The supporters of Obama can't take the attacks that President Bush has had to endure. I'm sure in time they will have an even more sour taste in their mouths !!!! I don't agree with any type of hate groups but without them who would the black population have to blame for all of their troubles??

You know what gets me is how people can call Bush any name under the sun... "even the current idiot in charge." - K, OKC. But if one negative word is spoken about the president elect all hell breaks loose.

I guess we lost the main discussion board?

C., Oklahoma City, I haven't checked the accuracy of this, but I heard on TV earlier this week that Obama's victory margin was the greatest since Franklin D. Roosevelt. If that't true, it certainly ranks as "sweeping" with me.

Depending on your perspective or what part of the country you're from, Presidents' Day is intended to honor George Washington, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, or all the American presidents. And for many of us who don't get the day off from work, the holiday seems to pass almost unnoticed.

Then things changed. In 1968, the 90th Congress was determined to create a uniform system of federal Monday holidays, so they voted to shift three existing holidays (including Washington's Birthday) to Mondays. The law took effect in 1971. As a result, Washington's Birthday holiday was changed from its fixed February 22 date to the third Monday in February. This change was not without controversy. There was some concern that Washington's identity would be lost (since the third Monday in February would never fall on his birth date of February 22nd). There was also an attempt to rename the public holiday "Presidents' Day", but this stalled in committee. "It was the collective judgment of the Committee on the Judiciary," stated Mr. William Moore McCulloch (R-Ohio) "that this [naming the day "President's Day"] would be unwise. Certainly, not all Presidents are held in the same high esteem as the Father of our Country. There are many who are not inclined to pay their respects to certain Presidents. Moreover, it is probable that the members of one political party would not relish honoring a President from the other political party whether he was in office, no matter how outstanding history may find his leadership."

The single holiday observance meant that the traditional 10-day separation between Washington's Birthday (February 22) and Lincoln's Birthday (February 12) had essentially been eliminated. However, while Congress had created a uniform federal holiday law, there was not a uniform holiday title agreement among the individual states. Even though most states with individual holidays honoring Washington and Lincoln shifted their state recognition date of Washington's Birthday to correspond to the third Monday in February, some states, including California, Idaho, Tennessee, Texas and others, chose not to retain the federal holiday title and renamed their state holiday "President's Day."

You can observe it either way. I choose to observe it as Washington and Lincoln's BIrthdays. I guess if you include all of them, then they all get some kind of recognition even the current idiot in charge.

ntil 1971, both February 12 and February 22 were observed as federal public holidays to honor the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln (February 12) and George Washington (February 22). In 1971 President Richard Nixon proclaimed one single federal public holiday, the Presidents' Day, to be observed on the 3rd Monday of February, honoring all past presidents of the United States of America. Might want to check YOUR facts! I'm outt here! (i'm sure Obama will be a past president sometime in his life..so he will get to share in it too!!!)

Stephen - Presidents Day is in February and is to celebrate the birthday of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. All of whom are quite white and dead. It does not include living presidents. It was set up to honor those two because they share the same month of birth. You might want to check on that.

I bet that hundred people he told will be awake tonight to scared to sleep.

K...you say that the NAACP had a white man to assist them set it up...(not sure I would admit that one was needed). You say we have a white presidents day...Don't recall that day....but i DO recall a President's Day which I'm pretty sure includes Obama once he is sworn in...A White House? No problem...change the color and call it a pink, purple, blue, etc....last post to this subject...we're beating a dead horse...or should I say a dead cow, fish, dog, (just for equality)

Geezz, all you have to do to understand the validity of the claims in the DOK story is read some of the posts in this blog. Oklahomans need to be vigilant against any group or individual that wants to promote their cause by means of violence and inciting fear. Hate has no place in our society. Debate-yes, disagreement-yes but hate-no.

Oh, but we do all still owe a debt. We would not have what we have had it not been for the actions of those who went before us. Without the forced labor of the enslaved Africans, and the forced removal and degradation of the Native Americans, little of what we now call the United States would be here, and we would not enjoy the standard of living we now enjoy, even in these tougher economic times. Our hands are soiled by our privilege.

Like I said in my first post some of you may agree with me some of you may not... I dont really care either way. This is just my opinion... There is no frustration, no jealousy, no hatred none of that here. I went to college have my degree, have my masters. I'm only in my mid 20's and make more than 3 times the state average for my age group. Have only a couple thousand dollars left of the minimal student loan debt I had to take on. So really I'm just throwing things out there that I've seen a lot of my friends and family go through that haven't been as blessed as I have.

BUT this argument below is getting old.... I am not the want that enslaved anyone or marched anyone off their land. You and anyone alive today were not that ones that did this or had this happen to them. So I do not need to make restitution nor should people feel entitled to things b/c of this...

KJ, were your great-grandparents stolen and enslaved? Were your grandparents or parents denied their basic human rights because of Jim Crow laws, or terrorized by night-riders?

Were your people displaced by the government and force-marched to a strange territory, deprived of their culture, their religion, their livelihood, their language?

amen!!!

KJ, were your great-grandparents stolen and enslaved? Were your grandparents or parents denied their basic human rights because of Jim Crow laws, or terrorized by night-riders?

Were your people displaced by the government and force-marched to a strange territory, deprived of their culture, their religion, their livelihood, their language?

I'm not saying we forget all about our diverse racial identities. I'm pointing out how we use racial identity in ways that are often divisive and racist--even if we do so unconsciously.

KJ, I don't know you from Adam, but from your postings I am noticing a lot of frustration that you have not been able to achieve the goals you have set for yourself, especially in terms of education. I'm sorry if that has been the case. I went back to college when I was in my late 30's. I had to give up a well-paid position and take out student loans in order to finance my undergraduate degree. Luckily, I was able to get a nice scholarship for graduate studies, based on my academic performance. But I still carry a lot of debt, and I will go to my grave paying it off. But it was the best debt I have ever incurred. I had lots of classmates of every walk of life who received a great deal of financial assistance. I say, "Good for them!" Being jealous wouldn't have done me an ounce of good.

Our neighbors who are of African American or Native American descent have a lot of catching up to do before they are truly on equal footing with the majority of us. I applaud their every effort, and I celebrate the fact that we as a nation still recognize that we owe a great debt to the descendents of those upon whose backs this nation was built.

I do find it interesting that the context of a situation determines when it is ok to call a black man a black man. Like in this setting now I was using adjectives to describe a certain race of people and Sandra fires back at me why can't everyone just be seen as a person. Then lets say we were in a situation that "a person" was being treated unjustly. Say this person happens to be African American they and a lot of people would be the first to claim racism. The reason they were being treated unfair is because of the color of their skin! Its a lose lose situation...

KJ, isn't it interesting that when we talk about a person who is non-white we have to qualify it by adding their race. So we say things like that "Black man" or an "Asian woman" or "my Latino neighbor." I would like to challenge every person to spend just one day always prefacing our references to white people in the same manner. See what happens when you always say "this White guy I know" or "my White neighbor" or "those White kids up the street." Then, spend a day omitting the racial descriptor when referring to someone of another race.

Often, we may not self-describe as racist, yet we unconsciously say or do things that reveal some underlying assumptions that are racist. We all do it, even the best intentioned of us. People are just people. We all have hopes and dream, aspirations and desires. We all contain within ourselves the potential for tremendous good and for tremendous evil. Most of us consistently do the best we can with the tools and knowledge we have, and sometimes we fall short. Fear, greed, and ignorance--the undercurrent of "me, my, mine"--are our greatest roadblocks to life fulfilled in diverse community. And face it, we live in probably the most diverse nation in the world.

The myth of the melting pot is just that. It was a product of 16th century enlightment, and it sought to strip away uniqueness and turn everyone into a cookie-cutter version of the ideal white American. Those who wouldn't change were to be rejected. What violence--physical, emotional, social, economic, and psychological--has been perpetuated because of that myth!

What I see in the negative comments is fear and ignorance. Must make for a miserable life.
sandra, shawnee - Nov 13, 2008 7:55 AM


Amen Sandra. Amen.

"Can't we all just get along?"-Rodney King

So maybe I exagerated when I said for free, but you just said you did receive money for being Native American... I have friends that went to the University of Miami in Ohio with full tuition and books paid only b/c she was Miami Indian. I never would have had the opportunity to go to an out of state school like that... SO where is the help for college JUST for being white???

Burt, I think you might need to experience a broader range of interaction with people of other races, and study race and culture more deeply. I commend to you a book by Thandeka entitle "Learning to Be White." Race, like gender, is a social construct.

Your comments come across as if you want everyone to talk,act, and live according to a normative form. And your broad, generalized statements regarding culture and language concern me. Maybe it's because I have lived, worked, played with, and loved people from a very, very broad spectrum of cultures. I'm white, from an all-white community in the North, and I bet you'd have a helluva time understanding a word my folks up there say.