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Ex-army member Eric Maddox denounces torture
University of Oklahoma panel focuses on interrogation

BY JAMES S. TYREE    Comments Comment on this article7
Published: February 27, 2009


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NORMAN — Former Army interrogator Eric Maddox said he didn’t need torture to get information that led to the capture of Saddam Hussein, and it isn’t needed now.

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The former Army staff sergeant from Enid was instrumental in capturing Hussein on Dec. 13, 2003. Now a civilian interrogator with the U.S. Defense Department, Maddox said he quickly built a rapport with prisoners to gather the information U.S. forces needed in Iraq.

"Torture has occurred; we’ve seen the videotape and we need to realize the negative effect it has,” said Maddox, an OU grad and Tulsa resident. "I want to build an argument to say we don’t need it to get intelligence.”

Maddox said the Army never taught him to torture prisoners and that the U.S. military and government don’t condone it.

He spoke about those experiences Thursday at the University of Oklahoma’s Gaylord Hall during the panel discussion "Intelligence and Torture.”

In explaining how some interrogators have resorted to torture, Maddox said it can start with something relatively small, like keeping detainees on their knees for an extended time, and over time it snowballs.

But Maddox found that understanding the social networks within insurgencies — and offering to use that knowledge for the prisoner’s benefit — was and continues to be far more effective in getting reliable intelligence.

"We were asking a person to expose their family and friends in order to help them,” Maddox said. "We needed to get the prisoner’s mindset that I need this interrogator to stick around, because that will help my family and friends get out of this situation.”

The panel discussion included OU faculty members John Fishel, Christopher Howard and David Edger, all with years of military and/or intelligence-gathering experience.

"Sometimes, being on the moral high ground helps you,” said Edger, a retired CIA operative. "But even when it doesn’t, it’s where you want to be.”

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Why wasn't this blasted all over the media? Two reasons, one, the O.U. P.R. office never advised any media of the discussion except possibly the newspaper and second, this is real news and frankly the commercial television stations in this town don't care about that since there were no dead bodies around to go with the panel discussion.
Bruce, Oklahoma City - Feb 27, 2009 at 12:52 pm
According to this article, the article in today's OU campus paper and the panel discussion yesterday, "the US military and government don't condone [torture]. That is what was said more than once; that was a major point I took home from the presentation yesterday. I do not see that statement as support for the accusation that any US officials train, authorize, condone or sanction torture.
Elise, Norman - Feb 27, 2009 at 10:41 am
While not at the meeting, I have seen this man interviewed on several different media outlets. A direct quote from the article also acknowledges the tapes of seeing torture. A juge appointed by Bush had to drop charges against a detainee, citing he was tortured. While I am sure Mr. Maddox is proud to be an American, he surely is not proud of the criminal acts that were authorized and sanctioned by the highest levels of the previous regime. Enabaling criminality does not equate with patriotism. Never hasd and never will.
John, Norman - Feb 27, 2009 at 10:05 am
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Wow, denouncing torture, that's a bold stance in Oklahoma! That is, because your average Okie doesn't believe in the rule of law or the Constitution.
Jason, Seattle - Feb 27, 2009 at 9:52 am
To John in Norman,

Were you at the presentation yesterday? Did you hear what the panelists said? They were not pointing fingers or laying sole blame for problems on 1 or 2 people. They were proud of their country, proud to call themselves Americans. Some panelists even quoted Former Sectretary Rumsfeld. We should be wary of accusations and judgements as we are not top government officials with classified information before us. Was this country not founded on the belief that persecution and judgement are wrongful?
Elise, Norman - Feb 27, 2009 at 9:41 am
A professional and definitive response to all who believe that torture is somehow productive. This man knows of what he speaks as he is an unqualified expert, "walking the walk". Additionally he gets results, that don't compromise what this nation is supposed to stand for. We need more like him and banish the Rumsfelds and Cheney's to Leavenworth or the Hague.
John, Norman - Feb 27, 2009 at 8:53 am
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I wonder why this isn't blasted all over the media?!
Jason, Tulsa - Feb 27, 2009 at 8:13 am

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