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Published: October 11, 2008

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It was a good call - poor execution by Gresham. It appeared he was surprised by the call and became a spectator on the play?
Dan, Colleyville - Oct 13, 2008 at 2:24 pm
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Why don't you ask Jenny. She seems incredibly intelligent in this rant:
Carlson: Grrrr, this is a tough one. I'm giving the nod to Sam Bradford, but for now, I'm still giving the nod on my Heisman ballot to Chase Daniel. Let me explain. I look at the Heisman as the award for a great player who is also most valuable to his team. On quarterbacking alone, I think Bradford is better than Daniel, hence my answer for this question. In terms of being important to his team, I think Daniel is more important for Missouri's success than Bradford is for Oklahoma, hence my ballot for Heisman.
Kelly, Newalla - Oct 13, 2008 at 2:22 am
I am tired of spoiled fans always calling for head of a coach because of one bad game that had a lot to do with an injury and a team that is just good offensively. Yes the fake punt call was a good call, had Gresham been paying attention of his block instead of the punter it would of worked. There was also another kid that missed a block on the same defender. If Venebals were to go, I am sure many teams in country would glad to have him. In case, you all didn't know our defense has our corners are new and LBS are new and our defense is better. I do admit Venebals needs to disguise his blitzes better but to say our defense sux in conference that is offense orriented is reduntant. I am sure our scoring D is among the best in the country and the big 12. Texas Oline Dominated our Dline most of the time flat out. To say Venebals isn't a good coach is ludacris.
David, Tulsa - Oct 13, 2008 at 1:44 am
Stoops could do alot of things to help change his team, but everything goes through him he gave the approval for the no huddle and for the terrible defensive stunts. The worst of all is the acting by the kicker.
Jonathan, Newkirk - Oct 12, 2008 at 11:37 pm
until stoops gets rid of venebals the sooners will never be good. It is no coincidence that the last good defense the sooners had was when Mike Stoops was here. I am hoping more than anything that after Mike gets fired at Arizona, which is looking highly likely, he comes back to OU as the defensive coordinator. Venebals never ever ever mixes up his play calling whatsoever. I was able to tell when OU was going to try blitzing 5 seconds before the play started, imagine how Texas felt when they had spent the whole week watching film, they knew it was coming which is why we never pressure mccoy that much. And then when a blitz actually made it through it is always always always with the linebackers, and frankly they are too slow to run down McCoy for the sack. Until the sooners start blitzing with safties and corners again we are going to give up big plays and tons of points. Because any team that has any type of quarterback has all day to pick our secondary apart because of the shoddy play calling by venebals. He needs to go, I don't care if he and Bob are best friends, he is costing this team year in and year out. I had friends who were actually on the football team over the past couple of years and not one of them thought that venebals was a good coach. If your players don't think you are a good coach, the whole team is in trouble.
Brandon, Edmond - Oct 12, 2008 at 10:19 pm
JJ, you hit the nail right on the head. If Gresham looks upfield and blocks, instead of turning backwards to watch the play, not only does this play make a first down, it also bust for a big one. Then the momentum turns back to OU, and I feel the Sooners win this game. Great call, bad execution. A D1 player making a jh mistake. If he makes it, we are talking about how great of a big game coach, Stoops is.
Rob, White Oak - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:43 pm
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I think it time to bring in the good old moving van and get some coaches that give a da__! Venables and Bobby Jack need to find something else to do. Also that overrated Kevin Wilson needs to take his take all da__ day no huddle offense and go somewhere else! They talk about all the plays they have but they only run 12 of them. If you want to see a good football team that runs a good no huddle offense, watch the University of Tulsa.

Stoops needs to stop hiring friends and get people that want to succeed. Never mix friends with business; soon you will have no friends and no business!
J, Broken Arrow - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:31 pm
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Yes JJ, you dead on about Grisham blowing the play. What in the hell was he doing? He was totally responsible for them not making the first down! He just stood there like an idiot and got in the way while watching the Texas tackler go right by him and stop the play 1/2 yard short!
Craig, Owasso - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:11 pm
It was a good call. If Gresham blocks his man we make a first down with PLENTY of yards to spare and probably go on to score. Unfortunately, since Gresham stood there with his head up his rear it turned the momentum back to Texas and the rest is history.
JJ, Okc - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:06 pm
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Yes, Yes, we need more of those calls to help keep defenses off balance. it gives our offense one more tool
JAMES, JENKS - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I hate to say it, but Venables needs to go. At Auburn, they get rid of an inept offensive coordinator after 4 games. Texas has gone through a number of defensive coordinators since the Stoops arrived in Norman. Most of the other high-level assistant coaches have gone on to head coaching jobs. Not Venables. I'm sure there is a great deal of loyalty between Stoops and Venables, but enough is enough. In big games, matched by quality staffs, the Sooners have shown a distressing pattern of allowing way too many points. USC, Boise St., West Virginia, Texas. My point is that when Stoops knows his defense will not stop the opposition, he starts to do things like the fake punt last Saturday. The problem? You will not win many games that you allow 40+ points. Period.
Matthew, Venice - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:03 pm
NOOOO! They went for it when they should've punted and punted when they should've went for it! With only 6 min left, 4th and 2, down by 2 and the defense has not stopped Texas but occasionally! Dah! What was Stooped thinking? Still not as bad as Kevin Wilson's imaginative first down calls! Good grief Wilson how many 1st downs do you have to waste before you realize running every stinking time for 1 yard is only leaving your team 2 downs to get first down the entire 2nd half. Why in the world would you refuse to believe that Texas was going to stuff the run every time on 1st down. Why not try a downfield pass more than 5 yards you moron!
Craig, Owasso - Oct 12, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Good, looks like we're gonna lose a bunch off the bandwagon. Should be easier going now. Woah, we fell all the way to #4. You'd think the season was over, you bunch of crybabies. I'll be wearing my colleague's Texas shirt for a day this week, but at least I get to wear the crimson for 364 other days. And I'll wear it with pride. Go Stoops! Go Sooners! Settle in boys, it's gonna be a great year.
Calgary, Calgary - Oct 12, 2008 at 7:43 pm
No, that was not a good time to call for a fake. The Texas defense was penetrating too well. And the field position wasn't good enough. I was surprised at that call.
boe, Jenks - Oct 12, 2008 at 6:12 pm
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He should've just gone for it like he usually does when the Sooners have similar field position. I think Texas smelled that fake from a mile away.
Mark, Okla. City - Oct 12, 2008 at 6:02 pm
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Not at all. In a ball control football game and with OU struggling to gain any edge on time of possession, it was a mistake. The biggest mistake, however, was the lack of "hurry-up, no huddle" offense. Kevin Wilson obviously missed something after OU's first drive in the 2nd quarter. This was the best drive of the game, illustrating the no-huddle to perfection. Wilson never went back to it, even though it proved to be punishing to the Texas defense. So Stoops' fake punt is overshadowing the real culprit to the game....Wilson's continued ineptness to differentiate our basic offense.
Marcy, Oklahoma City - Oct 12, 2008 at 5:53 pm
No. Not the right call to fake the punt.

Suppose you are a high school recruit and you look at this:

Last 5 Bowl Games: 1-4
Last 4 vs. Texas: 1-3
BCS Championship games: 1-2

This record says, "Come to OU and be a big game loser".

Stoops needs to realize as long as he lets Venables run the defense it will always be like that. He doesn't have to fire him, just hire another one and do that CoCo thing (Co-defensive coordinator) like when Mike Stoops was there. He should just make sure the new guy calls the defensive shots.

If Stoops doesn't do this or if OU doesn't fire Stoops, then OU fans should be happy getting beat by the runner up to the WAC or Mountain West conference in a tertiary bowl game played in mid-December. Think about it.
Monte, Plano - Oct 12, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Hey MIKE from OKC and all of the rest of you Naysayers, listen up! Remember when we couldn't even break .500? When the OU-Texas game didn't matter because we knew we weren't going to win? And then came along a guy named Stoops and . . .if i recall we've been pretty successful. So here's my point. Either, (1) be a true OU fan and stop your stupid comments, or (2) Don't be an OU fan because we don't want you and stop your stupid comments!
Bruce, Fort Worth - Oct 12, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Absolutely, he was right. If it had worked it would be genious.
McCoy is a great quarterback and I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the Heisman this year. Texas was the better team because they had some of running game.
Janet, Oklahoma City - Oct 12, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Kelly, YOU ROCK!! THANK YOU!! Not only your service, but also your comments. I thought I was the only one seeing Murray's "oh-you-touched-me-I-must-fall-down-now" play this season. And yet they keep treating him like it's last season. And that fake punt...from that far back??? Give me a break. Then there's Reynolds, out for the season. He knew it sitting there on the sideline. That loss was felt almost immediately when Texas took advantage of his absence, yet no adjustments were made to help the back not as talented as Reynolds (guess we lost the outstanding bench award too) cover the territory. In fact, this isn't the first game I've watched where no adjustments were made when the other team finds a crack in our offense or defense.

The run-up-the-middle-and-fall-down worked great when we had a punishing back like AD, but our backs can't wear down the defense like he could, and we obviously don't have the blocking schemes that fit those backs.

We have very talented players. If any of you are reading this, the majority of you guys play your hearts out, and I thank you for that. I'm just starting to wonder about the coaching staff.

Oklahoma media, what team are YOU watching?? All those predictions of a rout gave me a good laugh. This was TEXAS! This is like the Super Bowl of the Big 12. No matter what the record is for both teams, they play like they could have beaten the Patriots last year. Can't wait to see how you try to build your credibility back up.

Kelly, sorry...can't do much about the UT fans. Just know that there are less of them there than there are here. Keep your head down and stay safe.
Sondra, Edmond - Oct 12, 2008 at 4:18 pm
If it had worked, we would be saying that it absolutely the right thing to do. It came up about a foot short. It was gutsy for him to do, and I applaude him for tryng it. That is a game to pull out all stops. I just wish it had not been tried so deep in our own territory.
Larry, Asheville - Oct 12, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Don't hear much about these players' lackluster performance. Here's my thoughts: For a mammoth giant of his size, there aren't many good reasons to explain why Phil Loadholdt got his big caboose whipped numerous times throughout the entire day. Brian Jackson made a few really nice plays but the Texas coaches were giddy as they keyed on his inexperience play after play. Murray....what the heck? He looks like he's running scared most of the time. Run after run, he's hesitant from the time the ball touches his hands to the time he simply falls down. No anger, no finesse or determination like last year coming out of him. He continues to run the ball like he just started playing football last April. I hope he's got good grades because I don't see him making it to the next level. If his patella injury is still haunting him, then perhaps it's time to let someone else get more snaps. Check that, his replacement is well overdue. At least Chris Brown puts his head down and runs like he wants to play in the NFL someday. Brandon Crowe, oh dear lord! He looked out of place and utterly confused. Unfortunately, his confusion and being out of place allowed several big play conversions and a touchdown. Lamont Robinson should have been the immediate replacement. How many times will Kevin Wilson call a play that hasn't been working all season. Every bone head, go nowhere run play he calls costs the offense yet another important down and potential game changing momentum. Hell, since you obviously are going nowhere running the ball how about throwing some more screen passes. Throw it to a ruuning back in the flats or an occasional shuffle pass. These plays couldn't produce any more worse results than his go nowhere runs up the middle for a gain of half a yard each attempt. Check your run game stats Kevin and consider that OU used to do it all the time with great results when Q was in the backfield. Here's a novel idea. You got a huge tight end with decent hands in Gresham and Eldridge. Why not throw it to either of them a LOT MORE. Seems like that would get you 4-5 yards a pop and would loosen up the defense at the same time so the ground game could finally establish itself with authority. The ground game hasn't been a factor yet and Texas knew it. There was an article last week, "Vanilla will Melt Come Texas", by John Rhode that talked about OU opening up the playbook. Sorry, but he must have forgotten who was still calling the plays because there wasn't any Baskin-Robins in this game. Nope, from my vantage point it was just the same old Kevin Wilson piss poor bonehead play book. Who the heck is coaching special teams? Bobby Jack Wright or could it be my neighbor's six year old daughter? I've seen better special teams play from JV teams. Revered former Colorado head coach Bill McCartney turned the Buffs into a formidable national powerhouse during his tenure with special teams play. It's really simple, you have to consitently burry your oppenent deep with a well coached kicker/punter and take the wind out of your opponent's sales by forcing them to go the distance of the entire field. Make them earn it each and every posession, don't just give it to them. Of course it would also help to stay in a lane and then put a helmet on somebody brain bucket every once in a while. But I guess that would require some hustle and fire in one's belly. Sorry, I thought this was the OU-Texas game. I believe the latest stat comically exposes OU ranked somewhere around 104th in the nation. Hey Bobby, how about shortening the field with some decent kick/punt returns. A spunky player with speed and great moves by the name of Broyles comes to my mind for this tasker. Other college teams across America are running back kickoffs/punts for touchdowns or are helping their offense score while we are simply satisfied with returning it 15-20 yards. Why can't you see that you can't have a championship caliber team with the consistently poor performance of the special teams witnessed thus far? Something needs to change and pretty quick unless this team wants to lose to Kansas, Tech, and OSU. Lastly, poor Nic Harris took one hell of a hit towards the end of the game. I held my breath and prayed that he would even move his limbs after that hit. That's the way our D should have been hitting Texas' Jordan Shiply and Colt McCoy, only a little bit harder! The entire day looked like these two were wearing blue shirts during an OU spring scrimmage. I swear you would've thought our coaches were telling the players all week, "Go easy, we don't need these guys getting hurt because Texas needs these two healthy for their quest to the Big Twelve Championship Game." Can someone please request some old film of Brian Bosworth be brought out of the athletic department storage cellars so these players can see first hand how to knock the slobber out of a Texas player's ears. I could go on some more but I've got to get up in a few hours. Does anyone know how it feels to be stuck with a bunch of UT fans in Iraq? This is going to be a long deployment.
Kelly, Newalla - Oct 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm
He was definately right to call the fake. Stoops has gotten too conservative recently. I wish that Bob would go for it more often.
Kevin, Holdenville - Oct 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm
One more thing. Muschamp is nothing special. We put up 35 on him which was enough to win had we only played better defensively and on special teams.
Ken, Boise - Oct 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm
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Absolutely he was right to call it. What I don't understand is why he didn't go for it rather than punt on fourth and two with six minutes to go in the game. Texas scored anyway.
Ken, Boise - Oct 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm
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