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Edmond firefighters with cancer battling for benefits

BY DIANA BALDWIN    Comments Comment on this article34
Published: March 2, 2009


Edmond firefighters John Werhun, left, and Tim Vernon have cancer. Photo BY PAUL HELLSTERN, THE OKLAHOMAN

EDMONDTim Vernon has two fights on his hands.

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The 19-year veteran firefighter has been battling cancer for more than two years. At the same time, he has been in a court fight with the city of Edmond over his workers’ compensation benefits because he says he got the disease on the job.

City officials have asked the Oklahoma Supreme Court to review earlier rulings in his case. If Vernon wins in the higher court, it will mean Edmond and other cities across the state are liable for firefighters who become ill with cancer or heart and lung problems on the job.

Vernon, 45, was diagnosed in July 2006 with stage four colon cancer. He has continued to receive a paycheck from Edmond because other city employees have donated their time to keep him on the payroll.

Vernon said he thought he would be eligible for workers’ compensation benefits because Oklahoma law presumes his colon cancer is a work-related injury due to the nature of the job, which includes repetitive exposure to smoke, hazardous materials and chemicals.

Workers’ Compensation and Oklahoma Court of Civil Appeals judges agree Vernon is eligible for state financial help. Edmond officials continue to contest the rulings.

"We believe it is unconstitutional,” said Charles G. Braun, Edmond’s attorney.

City officials say the law is unconstitutional because it provides special treatment for firefighters.

The state Supreme Court hasn’t ruled on this law, and it’s important that firefighters and cities know where they stand on the issue, Braun said.

This ruling won’t just affect Vernon’s life, but the fate of other state firefighters and fellow Edmond firefighter John Werhun, who was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer July 15.

"Fighting cancer is hard enough without having to hire an attorney and fight for your rights that the Legislature thought we deserved,” said Werhun, 28. "The burden of fighting a court case makes it that much harder to handle the (cancer) treatment.”

"Not to do what the court said is asinine and arrogant,” Vernon said. "A lot is riding on this, not just for me, but all firefighters and their families. It has gotten a whole lot bigger than Edmond.”

The situation is no different in Oklahoma City. Firefighters are being denied workers’ compensation benefits and forced to hire attorneys at their expense to prove their case.

"We think municipalities are handling it wrong,” said Gary Copeland, president of International Association of Firefighters Local 157.

Copeland couldn’t give an exact number of Oklahoma City firefighters who are in the same situation, but there are a number, he said.

The family of the late Del City fire Capt. Ron Weaver is more fortunate.

Del City officials agreed to pay Weaver’s workers’ compensation benefits, which left his wife, Cheryl, with his monthly pension check and paid his medical bills after he died Feb. 20, 2007. Weaver had adenocarcinoma, a type of cancer that can develop in cells that line several internal organs.

Cheryl Weaver said her husband told her it was a huge relief the day he learned that his workers’ compensation benefits were approved.

"I didn’t know the impact until a couple months later,” Cheryl Weaver said. "I just don’t think it is right for these guys not to get their benefits.”

For Vernon, life has been rough. Eight surgeries, multiple rounds of chemotherapy treatments and the fight with his employer have been tough, and a financial burden on his family.

"Everything I have been through has been a struggle,” Vernon said. "The emotions, doubts and fears will be well worth it if a change is made.”

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Not trying to insult you Phil. Just agreeing to disagree.You were the insulting one with the fools comment. Ditto on stuffing Dr. Phil. I lost interest on your comments long ago. You Dr., were the one that attacked the messenger.This too shall pass! Have a great day!
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 5, 2009 at 9:06 am
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Not trying to insult you Phil. Just agreeing to disagree.You were the insulting one with the fools comment. Ditto on stuffing Dr. Phil. I lost interest on your comments long ago. You Dr., were the one that attacked the messenger.This too shall pass! Have a great day!
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 5, 2009 at 9:06 am
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Tom, by trying to insult me, I have lost interest in anything you have to say because you are intent on attacking the messenger, being unable to debate the topic. In other words, stuff it.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 5, 2009 at 8:32 am
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Yes it will Dr.Phil. It doesnt matter what you or I think. Its up to the State Supreme Court now. I'll bet you are one of those that debunked miners getting black lung, and shipbuilders, pipefitters and boilermakers coming down with asbestosis. You see Dr. some jobs expose workers to all kinds of harmful subtsances and carcinogenic compounds. I can only assume by your comments that you are not a blue collar worker.So you can't appreciate working in air that sometimes isnt fit to breathe.This is something that is a passionate cause to a lot of people and callous and indifferent attitudes are taken pretty seriously.Not claiming to be a know it all. I find it irritating that people that have no clue about the hazzards of any job, talk like they know what they are talking about. As you stated we both disagree on this subject. Thankfully , this legal dispute will be settled by the Oklahoma State Supreme Court and not by you Dr.Phil. The state firefighters already know how you would rule.And yes, this too shall pass.
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 4, 2009 at 10:18 am
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Tom, I'm not one of those claiming to know what causes cancer like you and others so the know-it-all is you and your ilk. I don't believe people like you, never have and never will for the simple fact that too many people like you 'got it all knowed up' on every subject. You know nothing of me except that I disagree with your majesty. Oh, well. This too shall pass.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 4, 2009 at 9:22 am
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Phil you are the know it all, YOU cure cancer. There is a higher propensity to different form cancer in firefighters than the general public. Looks like you may have the market cornered on bovine feces. Yes Phil in Yukon, you stop all fires and all hazardous materials incidents. You will see the cancer rates in firefighters nose dive.What an asnine and ridiculous comment! Believe it or not Phil, smoke alone won't cause cancer.Unless you are exposed to smoke on a regular basis.And I'm not talking about tobbacco smoke or carbon monoxide genius!I am referring to the thousands of carcinogenic materials that become products of combustion. So you might be safe. The firefighters will continue to take on these hazzrds. Don't worry your little head. They will still take these risks to save lives and protect property. You just stay in your cubicle and spew your worthless tripe.The bigger fool can't read these reports with any kind of comprehension.We shall see, Dr. Phil !
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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Since so many are so brain dead as to believe that when firefighters contract cancer it was necessarily caused by breathing smoke and fumes, the answer to eliminating cancer is stop fighting fires and continue spewing lethal toxins from your car. This asnine belief also means that everyone who has cancer smoked, breathed second-hand smoke, watched someone else smoke or was exposed to advertising about tobacco. A bigger bunch of fools hasn't existed since the 1930's in Germany.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 3, 2009 at 8:31 am
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Yes, Tom Stillwater, I do dispute the issues because no two are saying the same things, all have an agenda and the "results" are transparent. That the majority are gullible doesn't mean everyone is. And most of the research was NOT done by medical professionals but spin doctors but since you know everything, why don't you just cure cancer while you and your cronies are at it... Oh, that's right, bovine manure doesn't cure anything.
Phil, Yukon - Mar 3, 2009 at 8:25 am
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Good discussion today. I guess we will all see what the state Supreme Court has to say on the subject.
Mr. G, Midwest City - Mar 2, 2009 at 8:23 pm
The point is this: The law is the law. Until it's overturned, FOLLOW IT.
David, Enid - Mar 2, 2009 at 6:03 pm
I think hazmat is a poser shubie. I say this this because if he wasn't, he would have never made such an asnine and ridiculous statement. He is probably a 3rd party administrator in sheeps clothing.I find it unfathomable that any firefighter with any time on the job would think that way. FYI hazmat, you can still be exposed wearing turnout gear and self contained breathing apparatus.. Have you ever heard of permeation.Unbelievable!
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 2, 2009 at 4:01 pm
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hazmat,
I would assume with a name like this you would have some formal training in IDLH atmospheres. PPE is a very important step in prevention but just like in hazmat there are some things out of our control. Yes, cancer can be caused by a number of different things but the matter of the issue is that people like you and I voted for this legislation and now it is omitted when it is needed. Being in hazmat you understand the necessity of pre and post screenings. God forbid you may catch a hazmat job in an IDLH atmosphere and your health is compromised.
Shubie - Mar 2, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What was he exposed to while at work? If he wore his PPE correctly, then the only thing he should have been exposed to would be cigarette smoke, tobacco, or the likes... this is by choice! Insurance or health care benefits should cover his health care, not worksmans comp.
hazmat, Freeport - Mar 2, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Melissa, insurance is very unreliable as far as coverage goes. They may pay for somethings but not everything. Also in a lot of instances the cities use a 3rd party administrators. What a nightmare for the unfortunate ones that have to do battle with them. Not to mention all the out of pocket expenses of the families going to and from treatment, many times out of state. And all the medications that are not all covered. To put it another way Melissa, not having the expenses covered puts the family through a great burden.And when they are going through all these treatments, its an additional burden they should not have to go through. I have witnessed all the grief that some families have to go through as they cut through all the red tape just to get treatment. It is shameful the way these 3rd party administrators operate. Under the state laws Melissa, there is a presumption for firefighters that contract cancer. It is presumed that they contracted the cancer while on the job.So its in the state statutes. And by the very nature of this job, its a reasonable presumption. Sadly though, a great many cities (like Edmond) seem to think this law is one they don't have to follow. I guess we will see. Thanks for the questions though. This is a problem that a great deal of people don't know of. Kudos to the Oklahoma for bringing this issue to the publics eye.
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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This should not even be a issue. If he worked in a factory and someone dropped a pallet off of a forklift onto his head, then he would be compensated by the company. He is not trying to sue the city or make money off of the deal, he is just trying to continue to get his paycheck and have his bill covered.
misty, edmond - Mar 2, 2009 at 2:17 pm
So....no answers to my very sincere questions? I really don't know how it works for them...does insurance cover their treatment for cancer? I would definitely like more information about this case...like URL for the workers comp law, etc, since i have no idea how wc works. Thanks in advance!
Melissa, Norman - Mar 2, 2009 at 1:48 pm
I am an 18 year Nebraska firefighter. 3 years ago our city decided to discontinue our medical physicals as outlined in NFPA, OSHA and EPA. Since this time I was diagnosed with bladder cancer. Nebraska has a presumption law like other states and when I approached the city with my delema I was told "that's unfortunate." I am interested in how Brother Vernon fairs in the courts. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Like other firefighters I am not asking for special exceptions but I am asking for laws that were put in place to protect us don't get politically skewed. Shubie
Shubie - Mar 2, 2009 at 1:21 pm
This from a town that cares more about the bronze sculptures on the street corners than their own city employees. It kind of figures...
Iris, Edmond - Mar 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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A Big "Amen" to that Tom in Edmond
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 2, 2009 at 9:34 am
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I am astounded by the total callousness and indifference that continues to be demonstrated by people who should know better. It is the same attitude that is taken by the general population towards the sodliers who go to fight this country's wars. What a lot of people dont realize is that there should be no indifference towards those who daily risk life to protect us. None. And for the government to ignore items on the market which are totally "green" or enviromentally safe, yet continue to expose firefighters to toxic chemicals is beyond excuse. We, as citizens, should expect to tender to firefighters and police, charged with our common safety, the same respect that they demonstrate to us by risking thier lives for us.Nothing less. Nothing. The leadership of these departments need to realize that money is NOT an object if the department can purchase other superior products to put out fires that are much more efficient adn are completely non-toxic and safe. The cost factor is much more clear if we can spend a little money up front with these products like ColdFire, and save money on the back end by not having firefighters come down with cancer that started while they were saving our lives and property. According to the logic of some writers,we need to have regulators on the fire hose that say "oops, you've exceeded your quota for the day, you have to turn off the hose now, even though the fire continues to burn."
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- Mar 2, 2009 at 9:26 am
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The point Mr. G is the fact that its the firefighters that are exposed to the cancer causing toxins. I am not trying to minimize the role all the other city employees play in the running of a city. Its not a matter of one service being more important than another. Together they are a team. At issue is the alarming cancer rates that is afflicting firefighters. I fully appreciate the jobs everyone does in the running of city services. Its just wrong to face life changing or fatal illness due to line of duty exposures to God knows what. Then to have to face all this with no support from the very people you protected, in some cases with your life.
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 2, 2009 at 9:25 am
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So, insurance companies aren't paying for treatments, is that why worker's comp is so important? Or does it provide additional funding, as Cheryl Weaver is receiving?
Melissa, Norman - Mar 2, 2009 at 9:16 am
As a city official they have to look out for the whole city. Think of the great people from the water department that work in the heat of the summer and the cold in the winter to keep the water flowing so the fire department has water to put out the fires. Think about the streets department that risks their lives daily to keep the streets in good shape so the fire trucks can get to the fire. Think about the maintenance people that keep the fire trucks running so the fire department has equipment to put out the fires. The people who are elected in Edmond, like the people all over this state must think of all the workers in the city. If every time a fireman gets a cancer, the city must claim it as a workmen’s comp., then there is less money for everyone else. It takes more than just police and fire to have a great city, it takes all the city employees and no one is more important than anyone else. If you or anyone thinks that making decisions in a city is easy, than I would invite you to go the city council meeting and see what is going on .You just might have a lot more respect for the people who run your city.
Mr. G, Midwest City - Mar 2, 2009 at 9:11 am
I'm sympathetic to their personal issue....but it is just that....a personal issue. If this is allowed, it will not only hurt cities financially, it will hurt the Firefighter Pension system as they will probably claim a disability benefit due to on the job injury.
Philip, Oklahoma City - Mar 2, 2009 at 9:01 am
Phil in Yukon, the information is out there, many studies have been done on this issue.Apparently you dispute the studies. I didn't realize there were people reading this article that are more knowledgable than all the other doctors that did these studies. My apologies Dr. Phil.Also the crack about professional victims was uncalled for. In fact you have dethroned Mr G. You are now the real Prince.
Tom, Stillwater - Mar 2, 2009 at 8:54 am
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