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Gator fans serious
BCS title game Florida faithful loud and rowdy

By Jenni Carlson    Comments Comment on this article241
Published: December 23, 2008


In this April 2, 2007 picture provided by the University of Florida, a student attempts to climb a greased light pole among a crowd of fans in the streets of Gainesville, Fla. moments after the men's UF basketball team won its second consecutive championship win. The University of Florida can raise a glass to another national title - best party school in the country. The Gators, known for wild celebrations following national championships in football and basketball, wrested the party title away from West Virginia University this year. AP Photo/University of Florida, Kristen Bartlett Grace

NORMANBob Stoops was once loved by Florida fans.

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Soon, the lauding will change to loathing.

The Oklahoma coach, after all, is on the opposite sideline now. He will be the enemy in the BCS national championship game. He will be in hostile territory in Miami, the Gators’ backyard.

He will hear it.

Everyone in crimson and cream will.

Prepare yourself, Sooner Nation. Gator fans are serious about their team.

Their natural habitat, The Swamp, was once dubbed "the loudest, most obnoxious and notorious piece of real estate in all of college football. Mardi Gras with a mean streak. Woodstock on bad acid.”

Yikes.

Despite OU’s storied football tradition, it has never played Florida. That means the fans of both programs have never interacted. Sooners and Gators have never mingled on South Beach. Never mixed in the French Quarter. Never gathered in Old Scottsdale.

Sooner fans will see Gator fans up close and personal for the first time next month in Miami.

They might not like the view.

Mark Bradley, who writes sports for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, did a fun ranking before the season. He rated SEC football fans on their level of obnoxiousness.

He ranked LSU fans at a demure No. 8.

(Sooner fans who strolled the streets of New Orleans a few years back might dispute that number. If you want to fire up the Sooner Nation, just mention LSU fans and their "Tiger bait” chants.)

At the top of Bradley’s list: Florida.

His assessment: "Gator fans didn’t become obnoxious when Steve Spurrier started beating everybody. They were obnoxious when their team couldn’t win the SEC to save its life.”

Ouch.

In the SEC, Florida football fans are a hated bunch. That’s saying something considering the passion of the fans in that conference.

Thing is, Gator fans were long the annoying little brothers of the league. They chirped. They chided. They crowed.

But they talked a better game than their team played.

Florida was long a conference cellar dweller. Between 1933 and 1979, the Gators won only 54 percent of their games. They couldn’t even win a conference title, much less a national title.

The past couple decades have been a different story. Since 1980, Florida has won two national titles, seven SEC titles and become one of the nation’s elite programs.

Still, the fact that Florida fans cheer a program that needed 50-plus years to win its first conference crown is a sore spot for fans around the SEC.

Then there is the atmosphere at The Swamp.

More than 88,000 have packed the place for 123 consecutive games, and with its steep-seat configuration, all the noise they create has less chance to escape.

Playing there in 1991, Florida State drove inside the Gator 10-yard line late in the game. With the crowd roaring, the Seminoles jumped offside twice, killed the drive and secured victory for the Gators.

ABC had a field-level decibel-reading devise that said the noise during that drive was equal to that of a jet engine.

The Swamp isn’t just loud. It’s rowdy, too.

Gator fans have been known to pee in cups, then throw them at folks not wearing orange and blue.

Vicki Fulmer was physically assaulted at The Swamp when her husband, Phil, and his Tennessee team played there in 1993.

There’s even a story floating around that a press scribe wore a "Gator” cap from the parking lot to the press box to blend in with the masses.

To hear Stoops talk, you’d think Gainesville is nirvana.

"I have got great feelings and memories,” he said of Florida earlier this month during a press conference in suburban Miami.

Those feelings and memories might change after this. Stoops, after all, isn’t guiding the Florida defense or wearing a Gator visor anymore.

If you’re not for Florida, Gator fans are against you.

And as Stoops and the entire Sooner Nation are soon to find out, they’re not shy about letting you know it.

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Man, half these news reporters sound like they are scared of Florida. Kind of nice when our press takes a negative, losing attitude before the game. Sooners do not fear Gators, period. OU 65 FLA 28
Shepard, Stonewall - Dec 28, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Dana, it is hard for me to believe that forty years have passed since that historic Christmas Eve. However, you sell yourself short my friend. For today, reading your post, I was taken back to a time long forgotten. I remember sitting around the TV with my family, those who are present today and those no longer with us. A simple wish for you…a precious gift to me. I wish you and yours good health and prosperity in the coming year!
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 26, 2008 at 2:27 pm
To all my Sooner friends, Frank Borman, orbiting the moon on Christmas Eve in 1968, wrapped up a broadcast in which then three Apollo astronauts each read from The Book of Genisis. Borman said, "Merry Christmas, and God bless all of you - all of you on the good Earth." I certainly can't compete with Frank Borman in his stroke of simple eloquence, but I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas, and peace and joy in your lives.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 25, 2008 at 10:40 am
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Jenni. Have you ever been to a game in The Swamp? I suspect not. Therefore, you have no personal knowledge as to anything you wrote. How many people did you interview that had actually attended a game there? I suspect one, Coach Stoops. As a journalist, are you starting to see a bit of an issue with the pattern developing here? You wrote an article of rumors and urban legends to stir things up. The one person you interviewed with firsthand knowledge didn't even support the theme of your piece, but don't let that interfere with a perfectly good story, correct? Perhaps your bonuses are based on the number of comments and/or hits. If so, take the money from this one and do something about your hair...it's horrible.
Jim - Dec 25, 2008 at 7:00 am
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The team that scores more points than it's opponent will win this game. I hope it is OU. If Florida comes out the winner it will not change my life or any other fans. No amount of bashing the other team or it's fans will change the outcome.
Andrew, unlisted - Dec 24, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Dana, How does a Cambodian midget troll say " These are disputable facts " in Cambodian?
KEITH, North Charleston - Dec 24, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Larry, you slick SOB, you won. Won't happen again! Merry Christmas all!
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm
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Dana, actually, if you reread my first post I did not infer that "you" were trailer trash. My response was concerning Oklahomans vs. Floridians. Likewise, my first post was not specifically directed at you but general observations with statements concerning my perceptions and feelings. Although I did reference the poster from Tacoma, this was most likely because your posts were frequent and intelligible. However, just as your comments are good natured, so was my intent. Unfortunately, you are not able to see me smiling as I type. In Florida, I happen to be a Florida State fan. I was transferred to MacDill from Alaska in 1975. I gained enormous respect for Bobby Bowden when he wore a mike while losing to OU in the Orange Bowl that year. I have no problem doing a little mud wrestling. However, it is nice to know whom I am wrestling and their motivation. No hard feelings on my part as I enjoyed the banter. I wish you and all reasonable fans well. Still, I would prefer an OU victory.
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 24, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Larry, my older brother is a flight test engineer up at Boeing, very successful, highly educated. You remind me of him; while I have no doubt that you've done well in life, you need to loosen up, man! You can't honestly think that I hold Oklahomans in contempt, or that I really believe that Floridians and Washingtonians are any better than the population in general. My last duty station was Mayport in the 1980's, and I continued to live in Jacksonville for several years beyond, becoming a Gator fan. I was reading the Florida Times-Union for thoughts on the game, and thought it would be fun to see what they're saying in Oklahoma about the it. I wasn't shy about who I'm for, and of course, these comment sections turned to fan insults back and forth. So, there you have it. You might not agree with the sort of fun we're having here, but I know that the guys who regularly dump on me are having just as much fun doing so as I am taunting them. You yourself got only a couple of sentences out before referring to me as uninformed trailer trash in your first post. I leave people alone until they jump in the mud with me, which you did. Either pull the stick out of the ol' chute, or just quit being baited.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 4:14 pm
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Way to go TCU! OU would crush BSU. Florida is a BSU clone. SEC fans say the Big XII can't play defense. They will find out, soon enough. It will be like the OU-OSU game, tight for two or three quarters and then Bradford and Company tear UF a new one. 62-31
mark, oklahoma city - Dec 24, 2008 at 3:53 pm
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Dana, Good try my friend. I have no problem with my self image. I am just following your lead. However, I have not yet determined your purpose here. You have no stated connection to Florida. You have failed to indicate any wrong that Oklahoma has inflicted on you personally. At first your gender may have been in question. However, you later indicated that you had present and past wives. Likewise, you stated that you are not gay. Therefore, I might assume you are here for spirited debate. Yet, you choose to attack posters on a personal rather than an intellectual level. You are well spoken and write with correct punctuation, spelling and grammar so you are not uneducated. Mostly, I would challenge you on your insistence that Florida is a bastion of cultural sophistication. This is not Boston or NYC. You challenge my intellect and cultural exposure without any merit. By the way, I am a classically trained musician, graduated Summa from a Florida University (not UF) and was my class valedictorian. Of course, if you like, you can demean that as well. So what is it Dana? What great wrong did you experience at the hands of the Sooners or is this your idea of fun? Just curious.
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 24, 2008 at 2:47 pm
... Florida has no rednecks. The fans, while rabid and proud of their superior team, are well educated and are above Oklahoma fans in every respect. - - - - - -
Dana, Tacoma - . . . . . . .

Just wondering if around Tacoma you're known as Delusional Dana because if you'd look at a map you'll clearly see that even at it's lowest point, Oklahoma is at least 400 feet above Forida. And on January 8th you'll see that Superior and Sooners are 1 and the same. Cheers!
michael, Denver - Dec 24, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Larry, are you trying to convince me or you? I'll take you at your word about the AF gig, but the need to feel accepted by insisting to yourself that you're somehow "above" me is a bit unhealthy. This is usually indicative of a self-image problem. Don't try so hard, just be you. While you'll probably never fit in as a Florida intellectual, there's no shame in this. As I've said, Floridians do tend to be quite a bit more culturally sophisticated.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 1:44 pm
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Tacoma is the more conservative area of greater Seattle, so I'll give you credit for that. With all this middle school education, GED, and only rooting for a winning team references, you sound like you have more in common with "some" OU fans than you'd like.
tyler, yukon - Dec 24, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Dana, a little research might help you look less foolish. If you were capable you would discover that California, Oregon and Washington had a number of ADC radar sites. Once again you are showing your lack of empirical skills and ability to organize facts. Could be all that sea fog keeping you from seeing clearly. Nevertheless, I will continue to sleep in my Florida mansion while you are dumpster diving at that Tacoma 7-11 of which you speak so highly.
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 24, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Tyler, you seem to know much about the Seattle lifestyle. It's true that Seattle is a bastion of progressive Liberal kooks, hell, they even have a statue of Vladimr Lenin erected in the Freemont district. (I'm not kidding) However, I don't live in Seattle and don't plan to. I'm really not at all curious about the gay lifestyle which you seem to be so informed about.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 1:02 pm
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Larry, the depth of your text is shallower than the snow puddle in my parking lot. Having been stationed in Washington in the 1970's, I can't remember any military bases in Oregon, unless you count a reserve can and a couple of minesweepers. You see Larry, this is what happens when you drink Indian brand vodka by yourself. Now get yourself cleaned up. There's nothing honorable about waking up behind 7-11.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:51 pm
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Sorry Dana, I don’t drink, smoke, or have any of the aforementioned vices. Since you were not able to digest the depth of my text, I can assume that your formal education didn't proceed beyond middle school. When and if you finally get your GED we can debate some of the finer points in life. Until then, good luck in the welfare line.
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Sorry Dana, I don’t drink, smoke, or have any of the aforementioned vices. Since you were not able to digest the depth of my text, I can assume that your formal education didn't proceed beyond middle school. When and if you finally get your GED we can debate some of the finer points in life. Until then, good luck in the welfare line.
Larry, Saint Petersburg - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I did.nt realize that Sam Bradford played boise State... That game was like 3 years ago... Stop living in the past Dana the mangina...
Theus, Oklahoma city - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:39 pm
What are you talking about. Masculine women flock to Seattle, considering that way of life is more accepted. You know it's true, don't deny it. "Not that there's anything wrong with that".
tyler, yukon - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:36 pm
That's pretty bad, Tyler, going out of your way to picture a "masculine, butchy chick typing away at the computer." Here in Washington, we must have a much cleaner gene pool, but hey, whatever waxes your skis, man.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm
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Dana, you're a man? I just had this picture of a masculine, butchy chick typing away at the computer. But, you said you had an ex-wife. Oh wait, you live in WA, maybe your are a woman.
tyler, yukon - Dec 24, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Larry exemplifies Oklahoma's fan base problem. As an Oklahoman, he sticks out like a sore thumb in Florida. Then, when offering unintelligible analysis, it instantly clicks with Floridians: Yes, this guy's a Sooner fan that probably won't remember this moment tomorrow, anyway. Someone will politely steer him to the nearest tavern where he can earn his next few beers running horse tickets.
Dana, Tacoma - Dec 24, 2008 at 11:52 am
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We all know that any article by Jenni C is basically filler because all the real writers are out for the holidays. This one is no different. She has no clue what she's 'writing' about and it becomes more prominent in every joke of an article.
Regan, Yukon - Dec 24, 2008 at 11:17 am

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