Group is protesting Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chad Smith's recognition
Freedmen descendants say chief’s efforts shouldn’t be supported

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Maybe this time its early enough in the session we'll see the demise of the CNO...And the Cherokee People can set about to repair the damage by CNO. to see the bill click link http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2761 its about the same as the old!
Hopefully the Weezle Smith is sweatin a little blood!
I know he already spinnin the lies and BS on http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/3744/Article.aspx

__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real Cherokee Citizen CNO member UKB too!

Well Dang tilde you loosin it er whut? you babbled this on the other thread and here is my respose from over there:

What the hay, tilde you got a special redneck dictionary or whut? reduntant is not in my webster or my ole trusty readers Digest Thesaurus neither!! that was what I was talkin bout you tryin to be a dang spellin cop when its evident you can't speel either!

__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real Cherokee Citizen CNO member UKB too!

reduntant: 1. exceeding what is required or natural 2. unnecessarily repetitive That is what all the below is, John. I know you're capable of learning...aren't you?

Go ahead...talk amongst yourselves! LOL

Sadly Bennie this babbling actually needs no response the sheer ignorance of the blathering is all telling of the authors knowledge or lack-there-of, that is! you can get over this ignorance if you would only go to www.cornsilks.com and read the facts... I have a history lesson there, Cherokee History 1863 to 1995 that will get you get over it good, see all three parts at http://www.cornsilks.com/johnarticles.html

__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real Cherokee Citizen CNO member UKB too!

two wifes chad has already served two terms as chief and then he changes the constitution to read as he wishes so he can run for a third term which is by tribal law a criminal act as well as takeing the Delawares Soverenty away from them by refazeing the treaty between the cherokees the Government and the Delawares just out of greed just as his predessors did to the Westerncherokee old settlers once they were all throwed together in the treaty with John Ross and the Government in 1839 at that time this made the CNO a group of the Westerncherokees old settlers the Kituwahsthe Delawares The
shawnees and then after the civil war the Freedman. and this land in okla was the land that the Old Settlers of Ark. Traded a part of there lands for the counties of the oklahoma area ant the cherokee strip and as everything else was stollen from the old settlers they finialy after our last chief at gore which was the last strong hold the old settlers were forced to give up to John Ross and the Old settlers were being killed by our own people so we had no choice but to go back to what lands we had left in Ark. and then The Chief that John Ross so blatently stole the headquarters with the help of the Fed. Gov. Chief Bowels a1/2 blood had to give up chiefdom ship to a 1/8 who was nt enough indian to hold the position of chief. and sence 1839 there has been no one in the office that was enough indian to hold the position and the three or four that were were just like the one in office today Greedy and what he doesn't keep for himself and a group of his sturdie followers that get there cutof the funds that are comming into the Cherokee coffers now and which the Chief along with a few of his cronnies give away to the State or to the white eliment to of the state and the crooked Lawyers that has helped to change the Treaties to read as they want and the Constitution to be so they can keep robbing the other 5 tribes that are leagly a part of the CNO and the other five tribes are the old settlers or what is now called the WCNOM - the Kituahs - the Shawnees the Delawares - and last but not least the Freedman of Cherokee blood. People like this should be shunned instead of giventhem any kind of Honers.

From the Dictator's CNO 2wife Chad Smith's site?????????????


Cherokee Nation News Release
Contact: Mike Miller (918) 384-7861
mike.miller@cn-bus.com
©2009 Cherokee Nation - All Rights Reserved


June 08, 2009

Federal Court Rejects UKBCIO's Claim to jurisdiction

Keetoowahs win round in housing dispute
An appeals court says the U.S. did not comply with the law that governs housing assistance.

The Jokeman appears again today. Thank you for our daily laugh.

Chad Smith is well-respected. However, John and Archie, are not. Losers...with a Big L on their foreheads. Now there is the shame and disgrace boys.

Well well tilde! Why don't you tell them where Robin and David posted these articles orinally so the folks can go there and see all sorts of factual materail on the Weezle Smith and all you CNOT-suckin fools that support his CORRUPT Junta! www.cornsilks.com then click John's Place banner! appears you are there daily, don't be depriving the world of all this poop tilde!!
__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real cherokee

Chad Smith has done nothing but bring disgrace to Indian countries through his actions on the freedmen people — calling freedmen people, not Indians; treaty breaking, spending taxpayers’ money that ought to be going to services instead of actions against the freedmen.”

Archie is posting others words in his name again. Robin and David wrote the below 2 posts. Archie is just not bright enough as you can read in his other posts. What a joke he is! lOL! LOL! LOL!

No fear here, Robin.

Most people know nothing of the 1970 Principal Chiefs Act or its impact on the Cherokee Nation. Basically the act provides for the popular selection of the Principal Chief (an office created by the 1839 Constitution) and the promulgation of rules to carry out the vote (since the laws of the Cherokee Nation had been suspended by the Curtis Act). The 1970 PCA provides that the Cherokees, citizens listed on the Dawes roll and their descendants shall popularly select the Cherokee Nation principal chief. The Cherokee people lack the authority to change who may or may not vote for the office of principal chief. Our "selection" of that office is NOT an exercise in sovereignty, as that had been stripped from the Cherokee Nation and her people by the Curtis Act of 1898 and the Five Tribes Act of 1906. Neither the Cherokees themselves, nor the U.S. Congress have taken any action to restore full sovereignty to the Cherokee people. Lacking the right to determine our citizenship, stripped from us by the 1906 FCT Act and the Freedmen's special status conferred by the Treaty of 1866, the Cherokee Freedmen cannot be legally excluded. The Federal Courts MUST recognize the rights of all Cherokees (Freedmen included) to "popularly select" the CN Principal Chief as provided for by the 1970 PCA. This controversy has played right into our hands and the question of the validity of the 1839 Constitution is at hand.

Well I see that since my calling for a petition drive to remove Chad Smith and going back and forth with Bill Davis here my name is now included in the dance at Matildas Mosh Pit. Matilda bashes Cherokee People with real names while hiding behind a pseudonym because her lack of credibility would be so easily be demonstrated with her real name. What she is doing is trying to draw out others that have bought into Chads racist propaganda to take over where she has left off. But, as we can see there, only some misguided folks without the benefit of the truth come on with feeble attempts to convince others the garbage they have swallowed is good food for thought. In conclusion I would once again point out that even a discussion of a removal petition drive puts fear deep in the heart of Chad Smith.

You sure are good at name calling. Who have you taken "advantage" of in your lifetime, Archie Wright?

Which set love him the ones he shows or the ones he hides?
One set is much like Chad they are Bastards.
You see everyone knows Chad was adopted into the Smith family.
Just look at his Birth Cert. and you will see.
I think his people are Mexicans.

LOL! LOL! LOL! Do you think you're the only one who talks to Bobbie Gail's in-law's???? No, everyone does not hate Chad Smith. In your dreams, Arch, in your dreams. All of his kids love him.

You are so funny we all know you would like to be Chad's 3rd wife.
He may be good in you view but ask his other set of kid's what they think.
I talked to one of Bobbie Smith's inlaws and he say's everyone hates Chad 2wife Smith.
His other set of children are the ones really hurt by his Bigamist way's.

Velma: It's among, no matter how you try to justify it, and it's terrible, not terrable! Jeez! You're a hoot and a daily laugh. You're reputation precedes you. Your little "students" tell about your flaws just as a normal person, but you tend to believe you are never wrong. Keep believing that, Honey, if that's how you get by each day.

Eli Grayson, Cornsilk's, Archie Wright, Robin Mayes, Velma, etc. etc. bring shame upon the Cherokee people. Governor Henry definitely did the correct thing. You are all the most jealous losers any tribe has ever seen. If your names are brought up in any conversation, there is instanteous laughter.

Wow, the Red Earth organization really screwed up this one. Why not chose Adolf Hitler or some past leader of the KKK. They are still racist leaders with one thing in common with Chad Smith. Their efforts to oppress minorities in their governments. Red Earth's board, including Governor Henry should be ashamed of themselves. This organization sold their soul for a few dollars from the Cherokee casino. Shame! After all the years of building good well, they sold their souls.

Joe Allen Got it right!

Many of the Cherokee Freedmen have Cherokee blood in their veins. Not all of the them are merely the descendants of slaves from Africa. Government treaty made the Freedmen members of the Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory. __________________________________________________________________________________

I the Elder Cornsilk says! BUT that is totally inconsequential to the fact of the matter, they are just as all we Cherokee, Cherokee by fact of law, we are all descendants of the Cherokee Citizens enumerated on the Dawess Rolls and blood aint got a dam thaing to do with it.
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Have you read the 1866 Treaty? As I keep saying all this information can be found at www.cornsilks.com, and so you don't have to sort through the complete Treaty you can see the pertinent Articles to the Freedmen here; www.cornsilks.com.1866excerpt.html...And Joe if you will read and pay some dang tention, NO WHERE in ANY Document will you find a blood requirement to be a Cherokee Citizen, in the 1866 Treaty, nor in the 1839 Constitution, nor the revise 1999 version of the 1975 BS called a Constitution, the ONLY reference to BLOOD requirement is in the Constitutions:"Elected Officials will be Cherokee by blood". the Cherokee have NEVER had a blood quantum, and DO-NOT today no matter what Smith and the CNOT SUCKIN Fools may say.
__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real cherokee

Well Matilda and all you CNOT-suckers, lemme splain the weezle Smith to you...He is NOT a Smith, he was 3 years old when his white momma maried his supposesd father who was NOT a smith either, he was born Nelson Johnson, the maiden name of his mother who claimed Khia Smith who was over seas during world war one when he impregnated her long distance i guess. This is a matter of military records.
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And folks this is all in MY family Story, YES I am related to the Smiths some of them, my maternal Grand mothers's sister Sarah "Holt" Smith wis married to Redbird Smith's #4 Son George Smith; Therefore the family tale was how did Khia impregnate this woman while over in Europe...He denied it, and Redbird proclaimed Nelson Johnson was NOT a Smith. Nelson changed his name to Smith after all had passed on that would or could object. Infact Nelson grew up hating the Smiths becaues they had denied him, and this name change was probably the weezle Smiths idea with him being a skuzzy lawyer!!
__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real cherokee

I think it has been posted on this site before, especially in regards some of Chad's interviews, can't remember all now, but some sitting on his grandpa's knee getting Cherokee-ness! Only to find out later, his grandpa would have been dead at the time Chad was talking about, might not all the facts, but the premise was Chad lies, even about his family history.

Got to wondering just what is his family genealogy? I hear some of the Smith family won't claim him, the very family he claims to descend from, isn't that odd?

I think Chad 2wife Smith knew about his other set of children since the other wife lived right down the street.
The way you try to place the blame on me for bring up the fact is unfathomably.
Bigamy is still A crime in Oklahoma.

A, watauga: Move on! Can you not come up with anything new? My Lord you're pathetic. I think you're jealous of Chief Smith. That's all you can post. Can't you figure it out by now...nobody cares if he has 2 wives (which he doesn't). He's married to one. How many kids have you fathered and don't know about?

How do you in Oklahoma A Common Law State Define A Bigamist??


Cherokee attorney will run for Chief again: By Donna Hales Phoenix staff writer. Smith also may face an uphill hurtle in the court of public opinion. In addition to his wife and three Children, ages 5, 11, and 18, Smith confirmed Wednesday he has a second family of three children, ages 6, 10 and 11. ????

Joe-Allen, descendants of freedmen who can also document Cherokee ancestry ARE citizens of the Cherokee Nation and their status has NEVER been in question. There are over 1,500 such CN citizens today.

Oh, the other Civilized tribes have Freedmen with tribal blood, too.

Many of the Cherokee Freedmen have Cherokee blood in their veins. Not all of the them are merely the descendants of slaves from Africa. Government treaty made the Freedmen members of the Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory.

Didn't Vann say what their worried about is Health, Housing & Education...go wait in line at the social security office like all the other NON Natives....

I just found this VERY interesting article on indianz.com:


Steve Russell: Fighting the fake Indians in tribal court
Friday, June 5, 2009
Filed Under: Opinion


"I will leave the question with a gentle suggestion for non-Indians who wish to employ Indians. Few Indians are offended by being asked if they are enrolled in connection with a non-tribal employment application. If they are in fact enrolled, that should shift the burden to anybody who claims they are not Indian. If they are not enrolled, the burden should be on them to prove they are Indian by reference to some existing Indian community. Is this rocket science?


But what is to be done about the fakes, particularly fakes who have tenure in academia? I have participated in many conversations about this, particularly with Cherokees, who seem to be the most common victims. It’s odd to say this, but in my experience Cherokees are most likely to get their identity purloined, but Lakotas are most likely to get their culture stolen – often by the same people.


Tribes in modern times are in charge of their own rolls, and they can certainly in some cases make it easier to check out somebody who claims tribal citizenship. But until recently, I was at a loss to suggest how tribes could do anything proactive to discourage fakes.


I wish this idea were mine, but it belongs to Stacy Leeds, a Cherokee law professor at the University of Kansas. I mention it with her permission.


A tribe could bring a lawsuit in tribal court for an injunction against a fake who claims to be a tribal citizen. This kind of fraud harms the tribe’s reputation.


Whoa, the lawyers will say – the tribal court has no jurisdiction. That is true only if the faker is a fake. If the faker challenges tribal jurisdiction on the grounds the faker is not part of the tribal community and not bound by tribal law, there’s the self-admission of fakery. If the individual is a tribal citizen, jurisdiction can be founded both on tribal citizenship and on the fact that misrepresenting the tribe is a tort that has an impact where the tribal court is located. But if the individual is a tribal citizen, chances are we are not having this conversation.


Or, if the faker ignores the tribal court proceedings, the same result follows. The tribe gets a default judgment declaring the faker to be a fake."



Get the Story:
Steve Russell: Fighting the Ferengi Clan (Indian Country Today 6/5)

Vann, those that the Cherokee Nation oppose are those who DO NOT HAVE NATIVE BLOOD! You are not Indian in ANY sense of the word or have that cultural identity. You cannot prove that you are Indian based upon a blood test. I have always felt that it was EXTREMELY FUNNY that there are soooooo many wannabeeeees you would choose to get "that" test done.

You're ancestor's came from Africa, be proud of that. You can always go back and help yourselves recreate that which was stolen.

An American Indian Nation has the sovereignty and power to choose the limitations of membership.

One other thing that I have always been perplexed by, if Treaties are a binding legal document between two Nations and if ONE of those Nations chooses to break the said document, then does the situation not revert back to the original status of both parties? If so, mustn't the United States give back the MILLIONS of STOLEN ACRES OF LAND?
Why must we wait for 'them' to break the Treaties? Why not break a few of our own?

Not rhetorical, just something to think about.

Principal Chief Smith is very well-liked and respected wherever he goes. It's only the select losers that attempt to rattle the cage. Not working guys.

As always, Arch, you can't spell or make sense.

Lives or Wives ?
I only have one seems you Chief for Life has two?

You pathetic people who have nothing else to do with your lives need to move on. You're hysterical.

BTW folks, wanna see the facts on Smith go to http://www.joegrayson.com/ then on the right side click chadsmyth.com
__________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real cherokee

Last Week Channel 8 of Tulsa ran this story and they have a comment section I laid the truth of the matter on them you can see it all here: http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/624579.html
___________________________________________________________________________________ John Cornsilk Real Cherokee

Smith is a Babbling jerkwad, why would Germans do a Chicken dance??
Participants in a Ocktoberfest are simply enjoying an apparent German tradition, Not claiming to be German......Absoluite nothing like the Freedmen in Federal Court claiming to be Cherokee by fact of Law that was mentioned by Vann in the Article, the 1866 Treaty, which is quite clear and ONLY Congress of the U.S. can change that fact see the Treaty at www.cornsilks.com, infact here is Article 9 excerpted for your reading pleasure: and be sure to note blood is inconsequential ALL Freed Cherokee Slaves are Cherokee Citizens, and so be their Descendants today.
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The Cherokee Nation having, voluntarily, in February, eighteen hundred
and sixty-three, by an act of the national council, forever abolished
slavery, hereby covenant and agree that never hereafter shall either
slavery or involuntary servitude exist in their nation otherwise than
in the punishment of crime, whereof the party shall have been duly
convicted, in accordance with laws applicable to all the members of
said tribe alike. They further agree that all freedmen who have been
liberated by voluntary act of their former owners or by law, as well as
all free colored persons who were in the country at the commencement of
the rebellion, and are now residents therein, or who may return within
six months, and their descendants, shall have all the rights of native
Cherokees.
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John Cornsilk Real Cherokee

Cherokee attorney will run for Chief again:

By Donna Hales Phoenix staff writer.

Smith also may face an uphill hurtle in the court of public opinion. In addition to his wife and

three Children, ages 5, 11, and 18, Smith confirmed Wednesday he has a second family of three

children, ages 6, 10 and 11.

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