Gun association seeks right to 'bare' arms in Oklahoma
Capitol: Group opposes six states’ requirements to conceal weapons

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BY JOHN GREINER
Published: October 20, 2008


Donald Ohse is spearheading an online effort at obtaining signatures from supporters urging legislators to pass a law allowing citizens to openly carry guns. He is photographed with his Glock Model 21, a .45 caliber pistol Wednesday, October 15, 2008. BY JIM BECKEL, THE OKLAHOMAN

To at least one Midwest City man, openly carrying a gun is a matter of safety for him and his family.

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Fears of shoot-outs like those of the Old West are just fear-mongering, he said.

Donald Ohse is part of a movement to change laws in several states, including Oklahoma, so people can openly carry their weapons.

This movement is an online drive to get enough signatures of like-minded people to influence legislators to pass open carry laws. He said he’s gotten 1,300 signatures.

Ohse already is licensed under Oklahoma law to carry a concealed weapon.

But Ohse thinks openly carrying his pistol would be better and safer for him and others.

If he or his family were in danger, it would be a lot easier if he could quickly reach his gun instead of having it hidden in his coat and having to pull it from his pocket, he said.

"It’s not like you could see something happening and, say, ‘Hey, give me a moment,’” he said. "The quicker the access, the better in a life-or-death situation.”

Being able to openly carry his gun would have helped him when someone once tried to run over him following an accident, Ohse said.

Ohse saw a car accident and went to help. One driver tried to leave the scene of the crash.

Ohse was behind the car writing down the tag number when the driver backed up.

The driver stopped when he saw Ohse fumble in his coat and pull out a gun, Ohse said.

When the movement began
In 2004 in Virginia, Mike Stollenwerk and John Pierce started OpenCarry.org to push for the right to carry guns openly.

The Web site now has about 10,000 registered members, said Stollenwerk, a retired Army lieutenant colonel.

Stollenwerk and Pierce determined that at least six states ban openly carrying a gun: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina and New York.

This movement includes only handguns, which Stollenwerk calls "the quintessential self-defense weapon.”

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence lists gun laws of each state. But Chad Ramsey, a senior associate director of the Brady Group, said it is difficult to determine which states allow open carry.

But Ramsey said Stollenwerk appears to be correct about the six states that ban openly carrying firearms.

Law enforcement objections
Officials with two Oklahoma law enforcement associations said they don’t like the idea of people openly carrying guns.

"I would guess that very few would want to go back to the early west appearance where people carried guns strapped down on their hip,” said Ken McNair, a retired police officer and executive director of the Oklahoma Sheriffs’ Association.

Jim Cox, executive director of the Oklahoma Association of Chiefs of Police, said he doesn’t think that openly carrying a gun accomplishes very much.

A concealed weapon gives a person the element of surprise, he said.

"The bad guys aren’t going to be openly carrying,” said Cox, a former police officer and police chief in Midwest City.

Right to choose
Stollenwerk said he thinks that letting people carry guns openly will let someone with bad intentions know that you are armed.

"While I understand that sometimes it is a tactical advantage to be concealed, sometimes it might be the other way,” he said. "Everybody should have the right to choose.”


 


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i think we should take action and do what we can to get it passed
daniel, moore - Oct 28, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Chad, Oklahoma city. I hope he is good at hitting people over the head. Because if he miss I am sure he will be held at gunpoint and when the cops get there he would be put back where he should have not been able to get out, In County.

Also Open Carry would most bring since to the person that is thinking about doing something like that because he/she would see that I am able to protect my self and would think twice about committing his/her crime.
Jack, Choctaw - Oct 21, 2008 at 11:48 pm
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I don't have time to read ALL the comments. Chris, since I'm a lady and I would like to be able to openly carry your comment must be flat-out wrong. Not to mention vitriolic...

Anyhoo, if you read the actual statistics, more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens does NOT equal more gun violence. It's the opposite, in fact. Check out Massachusettes some time.

I have often thought about how difficult it could be to access a concealed weapon in an emergency. If it was out in the open you would have a much quicker response.
Heather, Stillwater - Oct 21, 2008 at 4:48 pm
so if I am a criminal and I am unable to buy a gun, why not just find a guy walking around with it on his hip, hit him over the head when he's not paying attention and take his gun?
it's basically advertising a free gun for people who otherwise couldn't afford one or buy one. I like concealed weapons way more than I like this- which is pandemonium waiting to happen if this guy gets his piece pick-pocketed while at a shopping mall.
Chad, oklahoma city - Oct 21, 2008 at 2:29 pm
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Armbrooke, Pocasset. I don't want to shoot any body but if me or my family was in danger I would like to have my Personal Protection Equipment (PPE for Risk Management) with me. And they way I want to carry it should be up to me. Where are all the people that are for women's right to choose. They should be all for it. Because it a right that some one can choose.
Jack, Choctaw - Oct 21, 2008 at 12:37 pm
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Brian--nice parody. But the issue is not gun ownership. Hunters, collectors, target shooters, home defenders--no problem. Its those who want to be packing heat on the street that are the problem. They are looking to shoot someone. And, if allowed, they will do so in substantial numbers.
Armbrooke, Pocasset - Oct 21, 2008 at 9:36 am
Here's the link again. Everyone - especially the OKC leaders - should read it. https://aceweb.nsula.edu/wconnect/ace/files/Oklahoma_Advance.doc
James, Oklahoma City - Oct 21, 2008 at 9:00 am
One severely unfortunate factor with today's gangs is that individual self protection is becoming impossible. The gang population is now estimated to be in the thousands and are highly organized - thanks to OKC's inaction and complete refusal to even admit there is a problem In the current climate, if a gang banger attacks you and he is unlucky to meet an armed and trained individual (i.e. you send him to his maker), it won't stop there. The gangs are now organized. You and your family are now marked like prison snitches. Anyone who revenges their brother will earn a huge amount of respect and trust with the gang leadership. And you won't be able to run. They'll get you wherever you go. Depending on who you killed, high-stakes power like the Mexican Mafia or Hondurans will come after you. Thanks to the baffoons in the OKC council who ignored the problem, OKC has reached Al Capone territory - gangland style. The feds are too busy with counter terrorism to bother with Joe Citizen. The city police are impotent from lack of funding, manning, and political policy. The Sheriffs still think they will "all kill only each other", so they don't care. Anyone who thinks the law will protect you is an idiot. We're on our own until a major shift is instituted.
James, Oklahoma City - Oct 21, 2008 at 8:58 am
What is funny is that all I hear in the news is the gangs shooting people us. And in states that allow open carry I have never hear s story how the law abiding have when nuts and started having gun fights. Be glad you all can express your self here and on other site. And thank a gun owner. Gun owners and the Second Amendment make the First Amendment POSSIBLE. And Like the guy said what part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. What if they said you cant post dumb comments on web site like you all are doing........... Then you all would all over the state with lawsuits

justin, oklahoma city Why do you do people learn CPR... You just never know when you might need to use it.

Bryant, Lindsay & Susan, Oklahoma City. Check your facts before being stupid. Last check that holster is the best in the business. There are 3 levels of holsters and that one is a level 2.

Armbrooke, Pocasset, Thank you I am so glad you are such a good judge of people. I don't know What we would do with out you looking out for us. I am glad you can call me and all the people in the US of A that own guns Nuts Because I can call you nuts too.
Jack, Choctaw - Oct 21, 2008 at 12:06 am
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Brian, "Armbrooke, Pocasset" should be ignored - it is nothing more than yet another silly pseudonym of forum nut job "todd from Norman," aka nocona from santa fe, aka about thirty other such names. He/She/It is just trolling, trying to get a rise out of people. A real mental case that one: the best thing to do is ignore it, and it will go away.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 20, 2008 at 10:12 pm
People who condemn gun ownership can rationalize it all they want. They can presume to be open minded and progressive, but really they just prefer to give all thier trust to the infallible god of 'humanity' they worship. Really, they are just itching to not be accountable for themselves or thier own protection, so they'd rather trust 'society' to regulate itself and to blame the government for not rescuing them from their own predicaments. Then, for completely random reasons, they equate racism and gunownership in the same sentence. Why? Because they are fixated on hate themselves. I don't know who is crazier-- well, you get the point.
Brian, Weatherford - Oct 20, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Morons!
Desiderius, Tuttle

Seconds the motion.
John, Norman - Oct 20, 2008 at 9:57 pm
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People who want to carry guns can rationalize it all they want. Their thinly veiled agenda is that they are just itching to shoot somebody. Anybody. Preferably minority, but white will do in a pinch. Gun nuts are dangerous people that society is well justified in regulating. I don't know who is crazier--the criminals or the gun nuts.
Armbrooke, Pocasset - Oct 20, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Uh, Tim, I don't know of anybody who considers the .223 round "high powered" - ditto for the 7.65x51. Somebody needs to get their facts straight, alrighty.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 20, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Sparky wrote "The weapons that brought down the heavily armed and bullet-proof jacketed assailants, came from Joe common citizens". That's completly wrong Sparky. The weapons that took down the suspects were high powerd rifles from a nearby gun shop, not Joe common citizen. Get your facts straight.
Tim, Yukon - Oct 20, 2008 at 8:12 pm
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I can't think of a situation where the police were more happy to see citizens with weapons until the great L.A. bank shootout. The weapons that brought down the heavily armed and bullet-proof jacketed assailants, came from Joe common citizens. If that had not been the case, the outcome would have been much worse. But that was just one rare incident. Had that bank robbery happened in downtown Jackson Hole, Wyoming, those three guys would have made it about 50 feet outside the bank doors instead of 6 blocks.
Sparky (Mark), Oklahoma City - Oct 20, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Just reading the posts from all these angry folks here can't help but make me wonder, "what if they had guns to go with all that paranoid anger?"
Armbrooke, Pocasset - Oct 20, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Johnny - computers do not discriminate but old, Republican people do.
todd - Oct 20, 2008 at 6:54 pm
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Morons!
Desiderius, Tuttle - Oct 20, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Gun ownership is universal. There are just as many leftist gun freaks as there are right-wing extremist, but the common factor of ownership should be resposibility on both sides! Gang bangers need to be all rounded up and dropped on Iraq, regardless of race!
Johnny, Mountain Park - Oct 20, 2008 at 5:07 pm
You are wrong there Todd, computers do not discriminate!
Johnny, Mountain Park - Oct 20, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I grew up with guns. My dad was a deputy. You respect your weapon and keep it operational. I was fortunate to fish, hunt and get wreckless in the creeks and rivers of my family's huge property(s). To this day hunters, that I never know, come on to our land to hunt and I allow them. I can't fathom not allowing anyone that appreciates the outdoors time to enjoy it. I have to share what is left of this nations heritage. Just don't start asking me here online about locations!
Johnny, Mountain Park - Oct 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm
"I continue to be surprised at the number of leftists who post in these forums."

Uh, that's because most of the "righties" are old and not computer savvy.
todd - Oct 20, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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Whether you brandish arms in plain view or conceal them on your person or vehicle it is all the same. Everyone has a right to protect themselves and should. Whatever happened to just being responsible for ones own family, property and self? Now I do believe public display can work against you in a hostile environment and lead to making yourself the target. Why let the criminals know who you are if they can schedule around you? If it detours a crime, all the better I say. Just keep guns safe from children.
Johnny, Mountain Park - Oct 20, 2008 at 4:51 pm
It is legal to bare arms. I wear T-shirts and bare my arms. Suppose they mean bear or maybe the writer only knows of the animals.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Oct 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm

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