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David Stanley Ford

Health care vote ominous for moderate Democrats
OUR VIEWS: Pelosi intent on pushing ahead

The Oklahoman Editorial    Comments Comment on this article26
Published: November 6, 2009

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is ready to force moderate Democrats to walk the plank again. Earlier this year it was a tough vote on climate change. Now health care. Pelosi has ordered all hands on deck for a possible vote Saturday.

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Like Admiral Farragut at Mobile Bay during the Civil War, Madame Speaker took in Tuesday’s Republican landslides in Virginia and New Jersey, lashed herself to the rigging and ordered, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” on health care.

Moderate Blue Dog Democrats, without the safety of Pelosi’s liberal San Francisco district, deserve sympathy for seeing explosive risk everywhere in her health care vote — a trillion-dollar price tag, a government-run insurance option, mandates on businesses and new taxes, all with no prospect for actually doing something to slow soaring health care costs.

Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Alabama, told Politico that some members are worried leadership’s big-government agenda, signified by health care, could "cost some of our front-line members their seats” in Congress. "I should be nervous,” Griffith said.

Too bad. The speaker has spoken. Moderates are on their own, forced to choose between their leadership and their constituents. Fortunate are members like Rep. Dan Boren, D-Muskogee, who said no on health care months ago. The fence-straddlers now must weigh what they’ve seen and heard against Pelosi’s rhetoric.

The broader landscape is hard to ignore: Across the country, Americans expressed deep reservation about the Democrats’ health care proposals in town hall meetings this summer. This week voters in Virginia and New Jersey told exit pollsters they’re worried about the country’s economic direction — the ballooning budget deficit, cap-and-trade’s true costs to taxpayers and employers, and health care.

Still, Pelosi and her lieutenants remain in denial, choosing to declare the elections as irrelevant inside Washington’s Beltway and/or as a compelling reason to push a left-wing agenda even harder. They believe Democrats’ greatest risk is in failing to pass a health care overhaul.

Maybe that’s the case for San Francisco Democrats. Real-world Americans will judge harshly congressional leadership’s refusal to listen — to slow down, to address rising medical costs and to back away from the seeds of a government takeover of the health care system.

On this Pelosi is tone deaf. "We are on the verge of doing something great,” she said this week, allowing that Democratic victories in two House special elections outweighed gubernatorial setbacks in states Barack Obama won handily just a year ago. A more rational assessment came from Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va.: "We got walloped.”

More beatdowns will follow if Pelosi gets her way on health care.

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Congrats, Will on your job and also for your two (2) very nice Gov't health insurance plans, now quit bellyaching about other people having access to health insurance there fellow. P.s. Thanks for the personal protection and as for you still working and approaching 70, remember, save, save, save for your ret.,Willie.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 7, 2009 at 7:28 am
Wasn't talking to you anyway, idiot.
william, pampa - Nov 7, 2009 at 12:19 am
William is eight letters out of 26. And 70 years old. Wow. and that means what? Keep up with you in what? Just keep up the flowery words. Who cares what you do and who you are? Do you add anything meaningful to the conversation. Sorry, William. You don't.
Mike, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:06 pm
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Lanny, I forgot to mention that I spent 21 years in the military protecting sorry a$$e$ like you and others. From the likes of people like you, I JUST DON'T WANT HEAR IT ANYMORE!!!!
william, pampa - Nov 6, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Lanny you are still spewing the liberal bovine fecal material. You have no idea of what kind of insurance I have and you have no idea of what I do or how old I am. Yes, I am in a higher technical end of employment of which less than one tenth of one percent is into and you probably couldn't hack the rigors of the education to acquire the license I have. Yes, I can keep up with the likes of you and in my occupation I am far ahead of you. If you must know, I am an ATP, CIFAI, MEI,AGI, & IGI. Get your ducks in a row before you spew any further idiot statements. Oh by the way, I am pushing 70 years old and still working so the liberals and lazies can get their checks.
william, pampa - Nov 6, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Lanny you do not have a best day
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 9:19 pm
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Sweet William, You couldn't stay up with me on your best sober day ! Somehow you militant wingnuts think you have a lock on hard work and independence when in reality you grab every Gov't benefit you planned for and lived off of and piss and moan about everyone else not working! Enjoy your 2 Gov't health plans there Tex.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Lanny, I have 2 types of insurance. I worked for mine, now get off your ass and work for yours.
william, pampa - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:30 pm
What's the matter Willie of Pampa, is your Gov't provided insurance bad stuff? Medicare works pretty well as I understand my elders.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 6, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Across the screen.....Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 6, 2009 at 5:49 pm
That's it lemmings, just blindly follow them off the cliff to your demise........
william, pampa - Nov 6, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Percy,lannie knows all about the person he described! He just looks in the mirror!
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 6, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Admiral Farragut? Hey, why don't you use a metaphor centered around the Katzenjammer kids? How about an in-joke about prunes? Maybe Silent Cal? Or...maybe you should go take a nice, long nap, grandpaw.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 2:44 pm
We need health care reform but not behind closed door only visible for 72 hours junk. People wake up you are being played by your reps., until they write health care reform they themselves are going to be under, why should we go for something the politicians don't want themselves to be under??? It's great for you but not for me, we must question this.
Rick , Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:21 am
Matt1. It depends on who is being counted including residents
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:46 am
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AMA membership is comprised of only 17% of the doctors.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:40 am
Percy, Just because about 1/3 of doctors are in the AMA does not mean they all support the bill. and Percy. I am 72. I do not belong to the AARP. I still get motel discounts
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:37 am
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Percy, Don't count on little Dan Boren to back anything that the piss-ignorant screamers oppose. He has stones of mush and a spine of jello.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:30 am
Bert, AARP membership drops regardless of which way they go. It's called diversity of membership. But what doesn't drop are the number of people claiming AARP membership to get those motel discounts, As for the AMA, (1) we didn't hear that argument when AMA opposed health care reform in the 90s, and (2) to find even 1/3 of the doctors in the United States supporting a government plan is phenomenal given their long history of resistance to every government effort to extend medical care. Some of us can only hope that WHEN Dan Boren's office is notified of another 46,000 deaths due to no affordable health insurance coverage, he'll do more than check to see if those deaths are in his district.
Percy F., Ardmore - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:17 am
David 2 points. The AARP membership will drop due to their support of the bill. And less than 1/3 of the doctors in the USA are members of the AMA
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:05 am
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David You are correct in a way.Virginia has been reddish. However New Jersey is about as blue as a state can be. And Obama went to New Jersey several times as did Biden. The visits did not win the day.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:00 am
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Politics are mostly local Bert. Think those on the right reading way too much into those outcomes. Va has always been redish.
David, Norman - Nov 6, 2009 at 7:55 am
btw, anyone notice AARP and the AMA came out in support of the public option. MDs as tried as the rest of us dealing with the health insurance sharks.
David, Norman - Nov 6, 2009 at 7:53 am
David There were more than just a handful. That was proved in Virginia and New Jersey
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 7:52 am
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Again dok, a handfull of delusional stooges bleating stupidity at town halls about a new red scare or someting doesn't make a concesus opposed to reforming the most expensive and corrupt health care system mankind has known,ranking in efficacy a notch above communist Cuba at #37, that rather than being based on curing the infirmed, actually rewards those who work tirelessly to find loopholes to deny services to you and your loved ones.
Want to reduce costs, got an idea, a competing public option. The ole invisible hand of the free market wingnuts are always going on about. There is no competiiton noe. It's a cartel, a mob racket.
David, Norman - Nov 6, 2009 at 7:41 am

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