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House GOP pens 230-page health bill draft

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer    Comments Comment on this article42
Published: November 3, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — After months spent criticizing Democrats' health overhaul plans, House Republicans have produced a draft proposal of their own. It's much shorter and focuses on bringing down costs rather than extending coverage to nearly all Americans.

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A 230-page draft was obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press. A spokeswoman for Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said changes were still being made before the bill would be finalized in time to offer as an alternative when Democrats begin floor debate on their bill, possibly at the end of this week.

The bill leaves out a number of the key features of the Democrats' 1,990-page legislation, such as new requirements for employers to insure their employees and for nearly all Americans to purchase insurance. It also doesn't block insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing health conditions, as Democrats would do.

Instead, the Republican plan increases incentives for people to use health savings accounts, caps non-economic jury awards in medical malpractice cases at $250,000, provides various incentives to states with the aim of driving down premium costs and allows health insurance to be sold across state lines.

"As Leader Boehner has made clear, our proposal will focus on the No. 1 concern of the American people — reducing health care costs, and we do it at a price tag our nation can afford," said spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier, though Republicans have not said how much their bill would cost.

"Our proposal will help struggling middle-class families and small businesses by increasing access to affordable, high-quality health care," Ferrier said.

Democrats immediately dismissed the Republican plan as insubstantial.

The GOP alternative "does little to provide security and stability to all Americans, doesn't provide insurance availability for all Americans, does little to expand access to coverage," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters.

"Ours is vastly superior and we think the American public will think that," Hoyer said.

The GOP draft bill obtained by The AP was dated Monday.

House Democrats, meanwhile, were working overtime to put the finishing touches on their 10-year, $1.2 trillion bill, which they released last week. Leaders were trying to resolve lingering concerns over language to bar federal funding of abortions and ensure that illegal immigrants don't receive government health benefits.

The Republican bill includes a permanent ban on any federal funding for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or threat to the life of the mother, stronger language than the Democratic bill,

Hoyer predicted Tuesday that Democrats would vote within the week to pass President Barack Obama's historic health care remake.

"I'm confident of prevailing and I'm confident of prevailing before Veterans Day" — next Wednesday, Nov. 11, Hoyer told reporters. "I am confident that we are going to pass this bill."

Across the Capitol, senators are waiting to see the final language and price tag on a health bill that Majority Leader Harry Reid and a few other top officials wrote in secret. It's not clear when those details will be available and Reid, D-Nev., may not be able to begin debate on the issue until the week before Thanksgiving.

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Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

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If you want to see what Hussien's and the dumbocrats health care bill will bring then please watch the series V on abc. It will tell you everything you need to know about this bill. This bill is full of bullshit tyranny against the citizens of the United States of American and the people of Oklahoma. This health care bill is EVIL INCARNATE!!! If you dont get our understand then only God can help you. BTW I am a dumbocrat and I am totally ashamed of this party, they have duped me. Just glad i did not vote for this bullshit.
Terry, Norman - Nov 3, 2009 at 7:53 pm
230 pages! That sounds more reasonable. Providing they they cut out the pork and didn't craft one well written oinker.
Doug, Midwest City - Nov 3, 2009 at 6:30 pm
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Oklahoma has some beautiful places. I'm a lake guy myself so there's plenty to love about Oklahoma. Lake Texhoma is my "home" lake but Lake Murray is absolutely beautiful.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Went in August to Broken Bow for the missus's B-day. Next time I go, I'm goint trout fishing on the lower Mountain Fork coming out of Broken Bow lake. Beautiful area.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:20 pm
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Buzz, I moved to Oklahoma from Santa Barbara. Google it, check out some pics. There was no need to leave town as we were surrounded by beauty.

C, our next trip will be SE Oklahoma, and we may just have to bump it up to this weekend rather than next.
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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Buzz, my Dad took me and my little brother when we were kids. You're right, great place.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:16 pm
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"caps non-economic jury awards in medical malpractice cases at $250,000" What exactly is non-economic? Here we have more attempts by the Republicans, big busineses and big insurance to put a fixed price tag on human body parts and human lives. Tort reform and caps on awards show how little you are worth as a humban being to them. All of the phony hype about cases without merit and the courts being clogged with frivolous laws suits has been debunked so many times it isn't funny. You right wing freaks howl about the proposed health care bill taking away rights but are never explicit about ahat rights. While right here in Oklahoma the law just went into effect where your law suit has to be judged as having merit before it can go to court. There's your frikkin right to a trial being denied! Show me the statistics from one state that has passed tort reform or put caps on law suits where the insurance has gone down and there are less frivolous law suits. To do business in those states, and we're getting to that point here, just calculate how many people your business process will kill per year and put that money aside. Then fire your legal staff and staff needed to support them. You want us to have faith in any bill that includes caps on law suits? Then increase the criminal penalties against those who act irresponsibly and their decision making causes bodily harm or death. Like others have stated, for 8 years the Republicans were in power and didn't do crap about health care. All they are concerned with is profit for their contributors. They stand on a platform of values when they have none. There is no way you can be socially conservative and Christian and be financially conservative. And now that whacko politicain Foxx saying that there's more to fear from health care reform than terrorists. There's not a single ounce of credibility left in the Republican party.
Martin, Norman - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm
was in wichita mt wildlife refuge last month - great place.
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Dan,

head down to Broken Bow or the Ozarks, any of the lakes, Robber's cave.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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dude, I coined that term. Mt. Trashmore. Surprised how it's gotten around. I used to drive by that dump when it was 3 feet high, and for the next five years, I would watch it's progress. A couple of years ago, it got high enough to see from Tinker.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm
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if you're looking for scenery, dan, you need to get out of the city - any city.
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm
now if this bill were 4,000 pages then it would be twice as good as the dems!
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 3, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Buzz, I have lived all over this country, and I make a point of traveling our state one weekend every month, just to overcome my dislike of this state. But after seeing the beauty of this country, then driving around Oklahoma City, I struggle to see beyond the trash. Oh wait, we do have Mt. Trashmore, which will likely become our version of a ski resort.
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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Blaming Bush's tax cuts for a recession is the ultimate in buffoonery.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:58 pm
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no, just you TeddyR. Tell me, did you agree with the Kennedy tax cuts? How about the Reagan cuts?
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:57 pm
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Outlaw, I am obviously unable to cleary state my point. Work has been much busier than normal and I keep getting derailed.
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm
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And anyone who thinks you can solve what the republicans have constantly said "18% of our economy" with 230 pages is an idiot. That means it will contain mostly unspecified language which will end up in the courts and your health care will then be up to the discretion of right and left activist judges.

This is a half ass measure and most Americans will see it for the fraudulent side show that it is. I'm surprise the republicans were smart enough not to print it on CIGNIA letterhead because everyone know that it was written by the insurance companies.

Why is 80% of the health insurance in Oklahoma controlled by 2 companies? Why are most state controlled by 1 or 2 insurance companies? Because that is the way they like it. Drown out competition and price gouge, drop coverages, slap on pre-existing conditions and make as much money possible with little to no regard to human life.

Republicans' tax-cut everything policies landed our government in this deficit and recession and now they want us to trust them with, as they say, 18% of our economy? What, do they think Americans are stupid?
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm
dan, you obviously don't get out much. oklahoma is a beautiful state but i guess one wouldn't know that if their dumass was glued to a couch or something.
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Don, I would have to say one would have to triple their income to live in those cities. The point I was making that was obviously misunderstood was that if you have the money to live in these larger, more progressive markets, why would anyone stay in Oklahoma? The mountains, ocean, clear blue lakes? No, we have red dirt and necks, nothing more.
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:47 pm
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Dear folks who jumped my case:

This bill does nothing to prevent the pre-existing condition disqualification. Not a darn thing. Therefore we are left with one of the biggest price problems: sick, uninsured folks clogging the ERs and skipping the bill.

This bill gives "tax credits" to people to buy insurance, which essentially is government money handed over to the insurance companies and expanding their client base.

This bill does not prevent insurance companies from dropping people's coverage when they get sick.

This bill has not be scored by the CBO unlike the democrats bills which already projects to save the tax payers close to 3 trillion dollars over the next decade.

In a nut shell, its government money given to the insurance companies to continue screwing their costumers.

I am not against corporations making money unless their practice causes death. Why can the insurance companies get away with it if crack dealers can't? Their both making profits from people dying.

Don't forget, the senate bill added 153 republican amendments, so the BS line about "they don't allow us at the table" is a bunch of crap. Remember when the republicans put forth their budget proposal in January and it didn't contain a single number in it? It was all for show and that is all this bill is too.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Interesting that the Repubs did not think this an important issue when they were in power...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:43 pm
only 230 pages? amateurs.
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm
If anyone thinks living in Los Angeles, San Francisco or New York City is better than living in OK they haven't been to the zoo lately...In order to maintain the same standard of living provided you in OK, you would have to make double the amount you're now making in order to maintain the same standard of living in the afore mentioned cities.
Don, Calion - Nov 3, 2009 at 2:00 pm
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If Oklahoma was the only state that offered that high of a salary for teachers, then yes we would see competition; yet if we did it nationwide, a set rate of 200k salary for all teachers, why would anyone pick Oklahoma when NY, LA and SF are much better places to live?

This makes no sense at all. Supply and demand is the short answer but ask yourself why do we have any Dr.'s working in OKC right now? There are Dr.'s here who make well over $200K a year, why? Why aren't they living in LA, SF, or NY? Because there are plenty of Dr.'s there who make more.

Now, take that thought back to the medical field. If we pay doctors the lowest possible rate, what would we get? Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:30 pm

I don't think that the Health Care reform bill's limit Dr. pay in any way, shape, or form. Don't worry about the Dr's Dan, they'll still be buying houses in Gallardia and golfing at Oak Tree. Your argument is invalid.


Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Both sides squabble like pubescent girls on their first period, but this Republican counter-proposal is thin gruel, one must say.

Medical malpractice reform is essential, but it's not going to single-handedly bring down health care costs. The goal should be what I phrase "all-in-all":

1. For those who are happy with their current plans, let them keep them, no change, status quo ante.

2. For those unhappy with what the private sector, i.e., their employers, are providing them, create the precious "single-payer" public option liberals/"progressives" are so fond of. And tax benefits at an equivalent equal to the total amount saved by the corporation, minus the employee's (former) contribution. Win-win! The company/employer saves some money to help shore up their current plans, and the newly-minted ward of Uncle Sammy gets to contribute something to their own care!

3. For those without any kind of current care/health plan, split the difference: #1's & #2's pay a surcharge - say three dollars a month - whether they use their plans or not, and a slight premium on top of a co-pay for Doctor's visits other than wellness checks, annual physicals, checkups, etc. Done nationwide, this would fund a baseline of minimum care, and help keep these people out of expensive emergency rooms. Adjustments would be necessary over time, and changes made, but it's a good start.

A bold plan, better than anything either side is currently offering. Being a genius is sometimes its own reward....
Jason, Edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:44 pm
And Outlaw, I agree that the republicans failed on this opportunity. While I favor tort reform, they could have offered something to reform the rest.
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:38 pm
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Excellent, Outlaw, thanks for biting. If Oklahoma was the only state that offered that high of a salary for teachers, then yes we would see competition; yet if we did it nationwide, a set rate of 200k salary for all teachers, why would anyone pick Oklahoma when NY, LA and SF are much better places to live?

Now, take that thought back to the medical field. If we pay doctors the lowest possible rate, what would we get?
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:30 pm
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Teddy, based on your comment, excessive spending is the only answer. OK, on that theory, do you believe that if the taxpayers give all teachers a 200k dollar a year raise that our children will suddenly be interested in their education? Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm

I'll bite on this one. How about we rephrase the question you posed. If you make public school teachers salaries $200K a year, do you think that it would attract people who may do a better job teaching students and getting them motivated about learning? I say yes.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Tort reform labeled as Health Care, that's all it is. Thanks for nothing Republicans. When the country needs you the most to keep a Democratic majority in check, THIS is the best you come up with? Pathetic.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Teddy, do you wish to dismantle the corporations that employ the citizens?
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm
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Teddy, based on your comment, excessive spending is the only answer. OK, on that theory, do you believe that if the taxpayers give all teachers a 200k dollar a year raise that our children will suddenly be interested in their education?
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm
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and you have read all 1990 pages? I doubt it. I did read a good portion of the original 1000 page bill. You're kidding yourself if you think Dems didn't provide handouts to corporations in their bill. Secondly, why do you have such a grudge against private industry?
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm
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Good 'ol Leader Beohner:

http://factcheck.org/2009/11/boehner-misrepresents-factcheckorgs-findings/

TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:04 pm
c,
Obviously you haven't read the democrat proposals; instead you believe Fux News' false interpretations.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Wow, what a big government hand-out to the poor little struggling health insurance industries. But what else would you expect? "Leader Beohner" keeps up the old republican mantra : Corporations 1st, citizens 2nd.

TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 pm
what's great about the Republican plan is that it addresses the issue of cost. I've seen nothing in the Democrat plan that addresses cost, other than to escalate cost.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:59 pm
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Nicely said Brock.
c, Noble - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:56 pm
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The Republican plan has nothing in it that will empower the government over the people so the Democrats will naturally not like it. The government doesn't get to limit freedom over the masses by dictating lifestyle, they don't get to overthrow another private industry, and they don't get to redistribute wealth. Nope, this isn't what the radical socialist liberals that control the Democrat party prefer.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Ok Bob, I will bite. Taking the mindset of Republicans into account, what should the GOP bill look like?
Dan, edmond - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:44 pm
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Why would we allow insurers to deny us coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Do you know the lengths they will go to find a way to deny coverage ? They will find any way they can to link your issue back to a "pre existing" condition. That is a mistake not to address that. People die just because an insurance company says, No we're not going to cover that because you took a pill for something similar 8 years ago. Ridiculous.
Eric, Yukon - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:24 pm
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A nothing bill. It has nothing about consumer protection regarding health insurance company listed in this article. Our family's premiums have doubled this decade while earnings have stayed flat. I'm disgusted at the GOP's desire to do absolutely nothing, like we already had a perfect system.
Bob - Nov 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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