Penalizing the uninsured in Oklahoma
OFFICIAL PROPOSES curbING driver’s LICENSES, football TICKETS OF THOSE WITHOUT HEALTH PLANS

BY DON MECOY
Published: November 21, 2008

No health insurance, no football tickets.

Oklahoma must take drastic steps to improve its dismal ranking in the number of residents who have no health insurance, state Insurance Commissioner Kim Holland said Thursday during her agency’s Summit on the High Cost of Health Insurance. Barring a law requiring the purchase of health insurance, which Holland concedes would be a political long shot, "inducements” that penalize those who fail to insure themselves would help, she said.


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Among the possible inducements Holland proposed was forfeiture of football season tickets to University of Oklahoma or Oklahoma State University games, forfeiture of lottery or gaming winnings, loss of state income tax deductions or licenses to drive, hunt or fish.

"None of those are very pleasant, but there needs to be a consequence,” Holland said.

A survey this year by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that one-third of Oklahomans have no health coverage, the highest rate of uninsured residents in the nation. A telephone survey released by the Oklahoma Health Care Authority found that about 16.7 percent of Oklahomans — or 579,036 residents — lack health insurance.

Uncompensated medical coverage in Oklahoma totals nearly $1 billion, Holland said.

Holland said policymakers need courage to enact major changes to boost the state’s poor standing for health care coverage of its residents.

State Rep. Kris Steele, co-chair of the House Health Care Reform Task Force, said requiring Oklahomans to purchase health insurance is not a popular stance among lawmakers.

"I believe the place to start is to create a situation within our state that people are without excuse for not having health insurance,” Steele said. "Once we get to the point where people are without excuse, then we create the incentives.”

Those incentives would include rewarding those who obtain insurance and punishing those who don’t, said Steele, R-Shawnee.

"You need the carrot and the stick,” he said.

Holland said the use of inducements, such as revoking in-state tuition discounts for uninsured Oklahomans, would send a message. "We have developed this culture over the years that some don’t feel like they have to pay their medical bills,” she said.

Insure Oklahoma, which uses state and federal money to help small businesses get health insurance for employees, probably is the best vehicle to make health care coverage more accessible, she said.


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cannot screen drugs before they are introduced to the public AND our food is tainted by the producers and is douced with radiation when it comes from other countries. We are now in the worst financial status in history and she wants to penalize those who do not have health insurance. What next! Are you going to punish those who lose their jobs, home and WHOW! Are we going to have to beg for the food, gas and water. I do not know what country this woman comes from, surly it is not the U.S.A!
sweetwater - Nov 26, 2008 at 12:53 am
This woman looks like she needs brain surgery! I am sure that since she is employed by the taxpayers of this state she does not have to pay the outragious cost of health insurance. If she wants to take anything away from anyone start with the insurance companies, or find an insurance company that will give full state coverage for everybody and lower the cost straight aboard. Her comments, whether joking or not is a communistic attitude and this country will not stand for it! She needs to be fired and replaced with someone who has better thinking. Shame on you madam for suggesting that everyone wants to do without health insurance in this country, especially when FDA
sweetwater - Nov 26, 2008 at 12:47 am
And what in the heck is that thing growing off that womans' face? If you all are lucky, maybe it will grow and eat her and you won't have to worry about her tyrant ways! LOL LOL LOL
Mary, Knoxville - Nov 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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Wow! You all must be a liberal state! It truly stinks that we have a government that has become such a bully! Americans have placed themselves in the position of being totally overrun by their own government, and I think that is a travesty, but laziness and fear never brought any society to the point of self-sufficiency. I think it is horrible and cruel to ever threaten a person with taking away their license...oh I forgot its a privilege. No! a privilege is taking taxes from poor people and using it to make sure rich fatcats gets to live high on the hog and take nice luxury vacations! Get a clue folks and decide what is most important!
Mary, Knoxville - Nov 25, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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The reason Oklahoma ranks so very low in it's percentage of insured residents is because Oklahoma is known for having some of the lowest paid workers in the nation. Requiring people who can barely pay their utilities each month to buy health insurance with copays so high they can never afford to use it anyway is the most draconian and sadistic bit of legislation for corporate profit ever devised. My health insurance is almost useless requiring a $1500 minimum before it even goes into effect. I can't imagine how a "paycheck to paycheck" laborer could afford $400 per month for insurance and then another $1500 to even use it while making $1800-$2200 per month after taxes. This hag has no concept of reality and the burden on Oklahoma Hospitals is a direct result of her stingy corporate buddies freezing wages for laborers for 20 years.Every poor person I know wishes they could afford insurance but if they make less than $14 per hour(like 1/2 of Oklahoma's workers) they are dreaming.
Michael, Tulsa - Nov 25, 2008 at 10:49 am
Sounds like Kim Holland is the Massah of the Oklahoma Plantation. You'd better work hard for her. If she has to get up from her lobster and caviar dinner party, and come down to the slave quarters, some of you might be sorry. Work hard and she might let you suck on the shells.
Jack, Irving - Nov 24, 2008 at 9:43 am
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Thank you Floyd. You are so sweet. But I've already taken care of the vehicle issue. I managed to find a used Explorer I could afford that's in excellent condition and has wheel chair brackets in the back. All I need to get now is a portable ramp and my daughter will be set. I should be able to get that next month. I've never played the lottery either; well, unless you want to call waking up every day these days a form of lottery.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 8:19 pm
T.A. You don't owe me any apology. As I said once before,"If I win the lottery (which I don't play) I will buy a van with a wheelchair lift for you."
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Floyd, I guess I should apologize to you. It's not you I'm so upset with. It's the people that seem to think Kim Holland's idea is good. It's not a good idea, it's a horrible idea.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:52 pm
T.A. See, we are 100% in agreement!
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Floyd, it's just so frustrating. The government just keeps feeding this garbage to people and they just keep eating it up. They don't even seem to care how many honest, hard working people could be destroyed by enacting this punishment for not having what they can't get.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I have a few questions for those folks that are so convinced that only the lazy, and irresponsible don’t have health insurance. Do you work for a company that hires people through pimp (temp) agencies because they don't want to have to provide benefits to new or temporary employees? Does it matter to you that almost none of those pimp (temp) agencies offer health care insurance to their new and temporary employees? How many of you work for a company that intentionally hires part time employees to start out and tells them they’ll be eligible for benefits once they're working full time, but then never give them more than 35 hours a week so they can avoid providing the elusive benefits? Now, try to imagine yourselves in this situation. Suppose your 21 year old daughter had an accident that required multiple surgeries, including heart, lung and brain surgery followed up with a few years of therapy to recover. Then suppose after the first surgery your employer suddenly decided to lay you off and since your particular employer is exempt from the Family Medical Leave Act, he can do it? Are you even aware of how many businesses and government agencies don’t have to honor the Family and Medical Leave Act? Finally, suppose while in the process of dealing with all this other trauma, some ignorant bureaucrat with a Socialist agenda and control issues decides she might just refuse to let you renew your driver’s license because you are now without insurance and it doesn’t matter that you’ve always paid your medical bills. Now, you have a disabled daughter to take care of for at least another year before you can go back to work but if she has her way you’ll have no way to get a job because you won’t have a driver’s license either. This is my situation but the others that I mentioned are a LOT more common than most of you could imagine. I know people in every one of those situations and they do not spend their hard earned money on wasteful things like season football or lottery tickets.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:25 pm
T.A. If BERT has read your comments as long as I have I believe he would have the same respect for you that I have I know a lot of people jump on you but I think you fit in with BERT, Sallie, Jack, others, and myself. "Don't hate us(that includes YOU) because we try to be beautiful inside."
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Floyd, the problem is that people like Bert seem to think my situation is the exception to the rule and therefore this sort of government intrusion is a good thing; and that is simply not true. There are far more people in my position than people like Bert could possibly lower themselves to realize.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 7:15 pm
T.A. I've read enough of your writing to feel you and BERT are close in agreement. You do NOT fit in the profile of the irresponsible people he describes who buy lottery tickets or go to the casinos as soon as they get a few bucks, nor are you the type who would buy a season ticket to anything but a church
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Bert, you have no clue what you're talking about. You just go on believing the tripe that the Marxist/Socialists in our government feed to the press and it feeds to you. They mention OU/OSU tickets or lottery tickets and you automatically assume that everyone who doesn't have health care coverage is wasting their money on this frivolous crap. Well, excuse me but that is a patent lie intended to make silly people believe there is justification for punishing certain segments of our society. I’m more inclined to believe that a large portion of that $1 billion may well be the result of a combination of late or incorrect billing by health care providers and incorrect processing of claims by insurance companies. And I have no doubt that if the health care system is in danger of collapse it’s more the result of wastefully spending by the bureaucrats inside the industry, not because a small percentage of a population couldn’t afford to pay the ridiculous bill they were handed so one more specialist could buy himself a car that cost more than their home.
T. A., Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Kim Holland looks like she stepped right out of the Liberal Arts building at OU. She can keep dreaming about about Communism, because it isn't happening here.
Dustin, Moore - Nov 22, 2008 at 3:56 pm
What right do these people have to punish the public who can't afford or do not want health insurance? It is unbelievable. There are plenty of people out there who don't get sick, due to good diet and regular exercise. Don't those people have the right to live without paying a continual check out for a service that they do not need? This country is supposed to be free - not run by corporations, or the government.
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Steven i said that those that truely need help shhould be helped, But basically I stand behind what I said. Times are hard? The cafes are full . Health care? Give me my cars, cell phones. boats,computers with e mail accounts and eating out all the time or having the meal delivered in from some pizza maker. Prorities . Who cares? Give me my OU tickets that are very costly. The taxpayers will pay for my health care. And Steven I am beyond 40. And most of mmy generation felt we should have some self responsibility and self respect. We did not think we were owed anything by the taxpayers. We felt our families were our responsibility not some one elses. And No Steven this will not die when I do as I have 2 kids and several grandsons that feel as I do and care for themselves. They do not feel they must be cared for by some branch of the government.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 22, 2008 at 9:50 am
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Rob, OKC...I advocate involvement almost daily on postings, but as Stephen, Ada told me once, that most readers use these sites as a hobby. While our postings may look good in print they accomplish nothing, but arm chair politics are much easier than involvement. Quite often I copy and paste postings and forward them to local, state and federal government. Sometimes I get a response, sometimes I don't but that does not stop me from protesting or thanking them when they do something beneficial (this is rare). Holland and Morrissete are not simply idiots. They are dangerous as they actually believe this is what we need regardless of violations to our civil rights. God and heaven save us from those who say "I am doing this for your own good". Yes, I fully intend to forward this to all those who say they "represent" me. ppppfffftttt
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 6:47 am
To everybody who does not like what thuis lady is saying: Don't just comment about it - call, write or email your state legislator RIGHT NOW and tell them you don't want the government penalizing anyone for not buying health insurance. Making your own decisions about your life is a RIGHT not an excuse!
Rob, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 5:33 am
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Hey Troy I was being facetious. In school they teach you to read the entire question before you answer. Give it a shot next time. Oh Bert from Henryetta. Its nice to know that you are in your 40s and your way of thinking will be gone with your generation. I’ve worked in a hospital for 7 years now and never have I seen an uninsured person come in that was in a boat accident. Do you really believe that a lot of uninsured are living the life style of the rich and famous? No, they are poor and are making decisions like should we have heat this month or food. Go listen to Michael Savage Bert because soon that way of thinking will be gone.
Steven, oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 5:21 am
She is still and Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh Please, don't take my beloved Sooner tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
craig, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:25 am
Jonbonjovy - you need to get your fact straight - she is a Democrat. Holland Goes To Max For Democrats State Insurance Commissioner Kim Holland has gone to the max to help build a strong state Democratic Party, becoming only the second statewide Democratic office holder to donate $5,000.00 to party coffers. Holland, who was appointed by Gov. Brad Henry less than a year ago, joins long-time Democratic Party supporter Attorney General Drew Edmondson as the only two statewide elected Democrats to make a maximum donation this year. "I am proud to be a Democrat and I want our party to be a strong, viable force in changing Oklahoma for the better," Holland said. "If I don’t do all that I can to help the party and other Democrats, how can I ask others to do it?" Holland has also started promoting the party’s "1 In A Million" campaign to boost small donor contributions by encouraging people to take part in the effort at each of her events, speeches and other political gatherings. PJ -- OKC
P J, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:23 am
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Someone please tell her that her airbrush is bad.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:22 am
Great, now only rich republicans will get tickets once again, what a scam, they want to rip off dead kids caused by their immoral business practices through their bogus tort reform scam, like the republican housing ripoffs.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:21 am
I am a native of Oklahoma and left for multiple reasons and have lived in Colorado, California and now in Dallas, Texas. While my heart will always belong in many ways to Oklahoma I long ago gave up on the sanith of the Sooner state and their wisdom of any business, economic or health choices. Your health commissioner clearly once again takes a pre-K simplistic no brains punitive path to a complex issue, as I often read is the case of most Oklahoma social and political matters. I know that is true again with the election now as Oklahoma is the ONLY state to have every support the losing GOP ticket. Even here in Texas we figured that out under Bush. Here in Dallas we just passed a package to support in part a 1 billion dollar expansion of Parkland Hospital which Dallas citizens and FW citizens know does much (until the health system changes) to care for the indigent, the uninsured, the unemployed, the underemployed and franklly those just down on their luck. Good luck Oklahoma with your carrot and a stick. No matter few want to cross your borders to live there permanently given the cultural, job and health climate approach you take towards citizens. Richard in Texas
Richard, Dallas - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 am
If she wants to run her office like a communist state that's fine, I'm not going to buy expensive insurance, So with no licence I guess I won't be going to work, so I don't have to pay taxes anymore. The state of oklahoma can support me and give me insurance.. I'm tired of the state of my birth ripping everybody off all the time in the name of their own sicking greed.. I guess I'll sell my house and move to another state, because i'm not going to put up with it!!!! Remeber holland what you seid come election time, see you in the unemployment line...
ROBERT, OKC - Nov 21, 2008 at 11:35 pm
"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism." Nikita Khrushchev (1894-1971) Premier of the Soviet Union It's no wonder people like this speak so freely of imposing mandatory regulations and requirements on we freedom and liberty loving Americans, when after all, the institutes of education have been hi-jacked by those who lean towards Marxism and have taught (endoctrinated) generations now that have no reference of history unless it is skewed or revised. There are reasons our Founding Fathers put checks and balances in place and warned us of tyranny and big government. It is total disgrace that our people no longer study or understand our country's founders or founding principles or the battles we have fought to keep America the greatest nation there ever was. All this is said to illuminate the underlying mindset that is so prevalent and therefore allows people, even elected representatives to feed us these "small doses" without fear of reproach. I believe the "frog in the pot" is now beginning to boil and it still is unaware.
Rod, Bethany - Nov 21, 2008 at 11:27 pm
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I truly hope those posting to this site do not believe they are incurring the cost of unpaid medical bills generated by the middle class; ie those with the much touted sporting tix, flats screens and cell phones. It is the middle class that has the assets or the credit score or the nest egg or the fear of garnishment or a combination of all these items that must be protected...and that doesnt happen when you dont pay your medical bills. We all know a family that is uninsured, that is making installment payments on an old medical bill or trying to pay off medical expenses covered with a credit card...anything to settle the debt. Do not let the Commissioner use a misplaced sense of fairness to sway you. The absurd cost of healthcare, the hospitals that bill you for a $25 bandaid, the increasing rise in your insurance premiums and the reduction of your benefits are all direct effects of an industry left unchecked. Kim Hollands statement is really no different than the banks and loan companies blaming their borrowers for their multi-billion dollar debt. Is it possible that Commissioner Holland might better serve Oklahomans by actually doing the job that she was elected to do (the job that YOU are paying her 6 figures to do) and leave the development of health care reform to those who DO NOT have such a vested interest in the financial success of the insurance companies?
citizen - Nov 21, 2008 at 11:25 pm
The flippant remarks by our insurance comm. made me see red,as a small business owner in this state for 30 yrs. I have made every attempt to get health insurance imaginable , only to be duped by the ole bait and switch, get sold on a policy only to find that they take premiums and pay for nothing. My solution was to pay for my own health care with cash or a Citicorp credit card in emergency. Now I feel safe because the gov. is gonna bail us all out, Ron Hurst
Ron, Norman - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:57 pm
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From the blog of FIRM - Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine http://www.westandfirm.org/blog The health insurance industry said Wednesday it will support a national health care overhaul that requires them to accept all customers, regardless of pre-existing medical conditions—but in return it wants lawmakers to mandate that everyone buy coverage. Of course, these companies would stand to make money in the short term if everyone were required to buy their policies. But once the costs leap out of control, the government will start imposing rationing, clamping down on payments to insurers as well as services covered. As Grace-Marie Turner of the Galen Institute predicts, this will then destroy private insurance and leave us with no alternative except a "single-payer" (i.e., government-run) medical system.
Rob, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:53 pm
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Jennifer If I call her office I will tell her I am in basic agreement with her
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:36 pm
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I miss Carroll Fisher !
Miles, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Hey Steven, you are an Oklahoman if you live here.
Troy, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:31 pm
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I am one of the elderly that someone spoke of earlier and I have insurance
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm
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I agree with her to a point. Families have a car for every member in the family with a licence and the costs for these are high, tags, insurance. repaiir bills and gas. they have a cell phone for every member in the family that can speak with texting and all the other bells and whistes. a lot have boats, More insurance and repsai costs. They buy tickets to college games which are not cheap. But they cannot afford health insurance? Some truly cannot afford it. but they are not the ones with the flat screen tvs and many cares. Those we need to help. But those I spoke of in the first sentences should not expect the tax payer to pay their bills while they play. STEVEN Stop whining
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:25 pm
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Wow - that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of! Everyone needs to call her office and voice their opinion of her idiotic ideas.
jennifer, Edmond - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Just shows how out of touch she is with the public. Why not attack the people charging ridiculos prices for sports tickets, people allowing Millions to go for building sports arenas, etc. Let that money go toward health insurance for the public. The hospital administrations, doctors, billing departments failures would be another place to start working on. Not to mentiong her job in the first place... regulating the insurance companies operating in the state. Prosicute politicians taking money from them to create laws to allow them to run the state healthcare industry. What a waste of my time to even be reading this crap anyway, we have a new president to worry about.
Jerry, Kinta - Nov 21, 2008 at 10:12 pm
You Oklahomans are nothing but a bunch of lazy freeloaders that would rather watch football than support your families. NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, BUT SHE DOES! A driver’s license is not just so we can go out on Friday nights. Its so we can drive to work, support our families, and try to work towards a better life. We are not 16 anymore. Taking away our rights will not help; it will just cause more problems. You can start with welfare, if we cant drive to work, somebody will have to feed us, well at least I hope somebody would. If you were in charge I’m sure we would starve, because poor people do not deserve to live. What’s it feel like to know you just ruined your career in Oklahoma? We know who you are and we now know what you stand for. We know you will come out and apologize, but we wont listen. The idea of taking away football games could have come off the top of your head, but taking away instate tuition, that was a planned out thought. So come on and say you are sorry, but we know better. I bet your family and friends are so proud of you right now. GOOD JOB!
Steven, oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Insurance companies are in cahoots with the caregivers too. I had an MRI at Mercy Hospital and Blue Cross was my insurer. My deductible was $5,000. I also incurred other bills last year. Mercy discounted the MRI and all my bills which totalled $10,000 by 50%. The result was that I never reached my deductible and Blue Cross never had to pay a dime of my medical bills. I thought Kim Holland was the people's watchdog. She's obviously got her chain hooked to the insurance companies and has no clue how the insurance company and caregivers (hospitals, doctors, etc.) work so that the common folks get screwed.
Janet, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I have to wonder how much of that $1 billion uncompensated medical coverage was the result of faulty billing too. My daughter has excellent insurance and she's had numerous bills come back to her a year or two years after a visit because the medical facility didn't file it on time or didn't file it properly and then they wanted her to pay the bill when insurance refused. I don't know anyone that hasn't had that happen.
T. A., Moore - Nov 21, 2008 at 9:16 pm
woman in okc, If you are still at your computer. I checked out the Dept of Energy site and the federal tax per gallon on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and the states average 21.4 cents per gallon. It doesn't change if the price per gallon is $1 per gallon or $5 per gallon. So the guy on NBC Nightly News didn't know what he was talking about, just trying to make a scare story as usual.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Absolutely rediculous!!
Donna, Norman - Nov 21, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Maybe if the insurance companies did't go out of their way to stick it to people, more people would have insurance. Take it from someone who knows. My husband is self-employed and that makes insurance for a family of four VERY expensive. To add insult to injury, after they have tacked on the huge deductible, they don't cover squat! Of course our elected officials want to force people to get insurance...many of them would financially benefit! Why don't you try to find a way to offset the outrageous cost of insurance and help Oklahomans instead of helping the insurance companies make more money. All I have to say to them is...remember that you are ELECTED! WE decide if you keep your job or not.
Amber, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 8:08 pm
This is why Oklahoma is so backwards, people that want to push laws like this. If she wants to do something productive then push laws that force insurance companies to offer actual affordable coverage and laws that require hospitals and doctors to stop charging outrages prices! I went 3 years without insurance, not because I didn't WANT it, because I couldn't afford it. When you have to decide between feeding your child and having electricity on and having insurance that I may or may not need... that's a no brainer. Also, I went to school and had a very good job, that doesn't mean you can't be laid off! Educated people loose their jobs also. Healthcare costs are raising every year yet wages aren't. This country is running on a debtors society, everyone wants your money and to put you in debt. Also, just because you have insurance doesn't mean a thing. I have insurance now also, but with a family our deductible is so high, I couldn't afford that either. Insurance companies will deny claims, medications and push more costs onto you. There is such thing as under-insured!!! That's why other countries have a longer life expectancy than we do, keep us sick and broke. We are easier to govern then.
Jess, Warr Acres - Nov 21, 2008 at 7:35 pm
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Yes. Recall this idiot. Start a petition to the governor or your local legislation. I will sign the darn thing immediately.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 7:33 pm
More alarming than Commissioner Hollands views of mandatory healthcare is the posting asking if she is an elected official. Yes, she was elected.... probably by some of the same people blogging today. People who didnt vote or maybe didnt do their homework in researching the candidate. I hope the lesson has been learned. Please do not underestimate Kim Holland, she is not an idiot and she is not a novice to the game. Coverage for the uninsured, aka mandatory healthcare, is her platform and she is a politician. It is my opinion that like many politicians she believes intricate issues, like healthcare, are simply too important and too complicated to be left in the hands of the common man. If left unchecked Commissioner Holland will, mark my words, introduce a method of providing health coverage to the masses, regardless of your want for coverage, that many of you bloggers have posted strong feelings against. Of course she cannot take your OU/OSU tickets and I find it doubtful that any type of license will be affected. However-taxes, forfeitures, loss of deductions, the "leveraging of wealth", these are real threats. Please do not lose sight of that during the ensuing period of damage control. Retractions, clarifications, explanations...the appeal to your emotions, to your pocketbook and to your state loyalty. Be prepared, be educated, be aware. Commissioner Holland can change her words, as she did during the evening news, but she cannot change her message. She is a proponent of mandatory health coverage. She is a politician posing as a state regulator. She is using your tax dollars **the money you pay the state to protect you from certain unethical members of the insurance industry** to finance the development of a state sponsored health system. This is not a slanderous statement, this is a fact. The evidence can be found on the insurance departments website, look for CHAT (choosing healthcare all together) and the state healthcare initative. The evidence can be found within openbooks online-www.ok.gov/okaa. Study the trend of salaries paying special attention to the decline of employees responsible for regulating verses the ever increasing salary and population of employees hired by Kim Holland to support her platform. Read between the lines and listen for the unspoken. The article above reflects the first, and possibly the last, time the Commissioner has slipped and allowed the public to witness her real agenda. The citizens of this state deserve better. We deserve choice and free will. We deserve the right to save our money and pay for medical care directly, rather than "invest" our money in inflated premiums for coverage we may rarely use. We deserve acknowledgement for our concern for the uninsured and our willingness to help support assistance plans that make sense. Oklahomans do not need the "firm and loving hand" of government, of Kim Holland, to mandate our civic and financial responsibilities - we get it.
citizen - Nov 21, 2008 at 7:32 pm
People without health insurance long-term don't buy OU season tickets. I'm sure what this state really needs is to charge the children of people who can't afford insurance more money so that they can't afford to go to college. How about a recall on this moron?
Brian, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Anyone who has served in the military has earned their VA health care. They placed their life on the line for our country and health care is what we owe them. Anyone who feels like the world owes them health care as an entitlement is most likely on the receiving end of the health care funds. The people paying for others to get free health care have a different point of view. My life and my health care is My responsibility. Your life and Your health care is your responsibility. Government sponcered health care will try to take away the responsibility for you living your life by your own choices. Need examples? Canada and the UK. Are you too fat? no health care till you loose as much weight as the government wants you to loose. Do you drink alcohal? no health care till the government says you cut down your drinking enough to make the health care worth while. Do you Smoke? good god dont even ask for health care the answer is NO! Are you too old? no health care till all the young people are taken care of first. Is your problem not immediatly life threatening? be prepared to wait 6 months or longer for any test you may need to find out what your real medical problems are. Do you need care NOW? be prepared to wait for hours in an ambulance for a bed in the emergency room to open up. The US health care system is not perfect but its better than the socialist systems where its easier to get a heart transplant for your dog than it is to get a kidney for your father.
james, oklahoma city - Nov 21, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Mike...the most important thing is that you are now able to make things better for yourself. Thank you for your service to our country.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Sallie, Del City I'm sorry for your son's condition, but you made my case for me, I am not disabled, or ill, and any medical problems I have had since my departure from service can not be attributed to my service.
Mike - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:28 pm
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Correction....20% qualifies any service related injury to at least partial coverage.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:22 pm
IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
craig, Oklahoma city - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Mike...then something went wrong in the VA system. My son served 8 years in the Army and is now classified "totally disabled". He is in his mid 30's and his working career is over. 20 years is not the minimum. All illness, injuries that can be attributed to military service do qualify for care. Maybe not 100% in all cases, but 20% is all that is needed. Again, something must have been overlooked in your case, and I am glad that you have made lemonade out of lemons.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm
woman in okc, I understood the tax on fuel was based on the number of gallons rather than a percentage. Thanks for clarifying. Like I thought if the price was either $4 or $2 per gallon, the tax would remain at the same level of around 70 cents per gallon.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm
PAUL YUKON - I am a vet, 6 years USN, been in combat. I DO NOT have health care coverage through the VA., you have to serve 20 years minimum for that, and I don't want a putz like holland deciding for me. Fortunately I have very good coverage through my employer, and I pay to cover my wife. The few times in my life I wasn't ensured I PAID MY MEDICAL BILLS, and it was a hell of a lot cheeper than the 800+ a month I would have had to pay. If I have the ability to pay all my medical expenses, why should I have to pay MORE for insurance I don't need?
Mike - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm
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Public funded insurance is not and will not be the answer to the system. Regulation of insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and fees charged by the medical fields are needed. People who make $6.50 per hour can't possibly afford to pay into a public fund as someone who makes $30.00 ph. If a fixed rate for all income strata is not set then any program requires more dollars from the populace as opposed to the major profits now in place. Profit is necessary for any industry, but the excess amounts acceptable in our economy is vile. Bill Gates was sued by those who claimed he made to much money and had to cough up major dollars to the government. Insurance companies should not be above the excess profits laws.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Kim Holland, you are an idiot and embarrassment to the State. The people walking around without insurance are not going to football games. How would they pay for them. You are without a doubt a fine example of liberal fools trying to change society with more rules. Are these people not punished enough? If you want to try and control costs do not pass laws for litigation lawsuits that are proposed by plaintiff lawyers. Hey Kim, who exactly funded your election to office, Trial Lawyers???? Get rid of the illegals in the state that is milking the costs that all citizens pay for. What a joke.
Troy, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:12 pm
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She's a republican trying to screw the Oklahoma people agin isnt she. Closet Jesus hater.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm
How about no sex for the uninsured? thats as good of an idea. Umm, no food for the uninsured. No wallmart for the uninsured. No dessert for the uninsured. Tax the Indian casinos that run ads about themselves.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm
floyd, if prices are down, that means tax revenues from fuel are down. that is why it would mean less money for road and bridge repair.
woman in okc, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm
The fuel tax is dependent on how many gallons of fuel are sold. When drivers drive fewer miles (because of the higher price of gasoline) or consumer fewer gallons of gas (think more fuel-efficient cars or hybrids), then the fuel tax receipts go down. When that happens, less money is available to build and rebuild highways, mass transit, rails-to-trails, etc.
Walter, Edmond - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:08 pm
HOw about a tax on too much makeup, that would pay for half of the uninsured.
Jonbonjovy, Oklahoma City - Nov 21, 2008 at 6:07 pm
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